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Re: Becheur 2018 Cabernet

#51 Post by Jeff_M. » July 9th, 2020, 12:19 pm

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Yah, I thought that was pretty funny. But I tried it. It's the cab. And it's really really good.
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#52 Post by MatthewT » July 9th, 2020, 12:28 pm

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Yah, I thought that was pretty funny. But I tried it. It's the cab. And it's really really good.
Ok we need some tasting notes! [cheers.gif] [cheers.gif] [cheers.gif]
Unfortunately I don't know a thing about wine. Besides liking to drink a lot of it. But I will give you my full impression after I finish the bottle later today.
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#53 Post by Jeff_M. » July 9th, 2020, 12:33 pm

MatthewT wrote:
July 9th, 2020, 12:28 pm
Jeff_M. wrote:
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MatthewT wrote:
July 9th, 2020, 11:12 am
Yah, I thought that was pretty funny. But I tried it. It's the cab. And it's really really good.
Ok we need some tasting notes! [cheers.gif] [cheers.gif] [cheers.gif]
Unfortunately I don't know a thing about wine. Besides liking to drink a lot of it. But I will give you my full impression after I finish the bottle later today.
That's fair. Appreciate the feedback. Mine went to my offsite locker and I am 60+ miles away. I will have to Pobega one when I head that way.
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#54 Post by Roy Piper » July 9th, 2020, 2:12 pm

This is the craziest thing I've seen in a while. I love it. [wow.gif]

I have no idea which vineyard this is from but guarantee you it ain't VHR or some Cru-level Oakville vineyard. He would be upside down if he purchased that juice in 2018.
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#55 Post by MatthewT » July 9th, 2020, 3:38 pm

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Looks like the price has stalled out at $35.60. Does the wine stay live until it's sold out, or can it be replaced with remaining bottles in stock?

It looks like Vine Hill Ranch based on the description. Saying it's not old-school counts Martha's out. I suppose Far Niente fits the bill as well for location and a female winemaker.
the two disqualifiers would be I doubt far niente bulks much out, their production is apples to oranges compared to VHR. as well as a 'family' owning the land. i don't think this would be a true statement or have been since 2003.

one possibility which hasn't been mentioned is Kelham. not sure if Ham is still the winemaker or if it's a female now.
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#56 Post by Steve Crawford » July 9th, 2020, 3:59 pm

MatthewT wrote:
July 9th, 2020, 3:38 pm
Steve Crawford wrote:
July 9th, 2020, 1:11 am
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July 7th, 2020, 12:54 pm
Looks like the price has stalled out at $35.60. Does the wine stay live until it's sold out, or can it be replaced with remaining bottles in stock?

It looks like Vine Hill Ranch based on the description. Saying it's not old-school counts Martha's out. I suppose Far Niente fits the bill as well for location and a female winemaker.
the two disqualifiers would be I doubt far niente bulks much out, their production is apples to oranges compared to VHR. as well as a 'family' owning the land. i don't think this would be a true statement or have been since 2003.

one possibility which hasn't been mentioned is Kelham. not sure if Ham is still the winemaker or if it's a female now.
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#57 Post by YLee » July 9th, 2020, 4:03 pm

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#59 Post by Glen Gold » July 9th, 2020, 4:35 pm

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thats weird

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#60 Post by MatthewT » July 9th, 2020, 7:06 pm

Ah, well that makes sense then!
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#61 Post by MatthewT » July 9th, 2020, 8:32 pm

Roy Piper wrote:
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This is the craziest thing I've seen in a while. I love it. [wow.gif]

I have no idea which vineyard this is from but guarantee you it ain't VHR or some Cru-level Oakville vineyard. He would be upside down if he purchased that juice in 2018.
You think this is crazy Roy? Check out this thread:

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Cameron is selling wines 9-16/bottle that "retail" 50-175. He's on #17 now. Also, can you please let me purchase some of your wine? People are raving about it. Thanks.

The idea behind both of them is not that they purchased it in 2018. "It was mid-April and we were all sheltering in place – I emailed the winemaker and a couple days later she dropped off three sample bottles on our front porch. One stood a shoulder above the others and I jumped. She later told me I got it right, which is good to know because the winemaker knows the full wine, not just the snapshot a barrel sample provides."

Both businesses are buying premium wines *now* that are bulk and smaller wineries need to unload.
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#62 Post by Nate Simon » July 9th, 2020, 8:50 pm

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#63 Post by Greg Smith » July 9th, 2020, 8:54 pm

Interesting concept but definitely not dynamic pricing. Price should go up AND down based on demand. It only goes up when the next purchase hits.

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#64 Post by YLee » July 9th, 2020, 8:56 pm

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#65 Post by MatthewT » July 10th, 2020, 9:50 am

After finishing the Cab, I can say it's a *great* bottle of wine. Like amazingly great. And it was just bottled two weeks ago. I bought another case and bought two six packs for friends.

From how the Pinot went, I don't think the pricing is ever going to get to the 20's. It doesn't really go down when people don't buy. But bottom line is the wine is worth 40 or even 50, and probably a lot more. It's that good. Excited to drink it over the next decade.
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#66 Post by DanielP » July 10th, 2020, 11:05 am

I think Paradigm makes a lot of sense as the source. Heidi Barrett is the winemaker at Paradigm and also at Kenzo, where Michael was the GM from 2008-2011, so there is also a prior relationship there that might've greased the wheels. The pricepoint makes sense as well
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#67 Post by MatthewT » July 10th, 2020, 11:16 am

All I can say is buy at least 6 bottles, you will not be disappointed.
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#68 Post by Nick F. » July 10th, 2020, 11:21 am

paradigm approx 80 a bottle
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#69 Post by MatthewT » July 10th, 2020, 11:21 am

This won't doesn't taste like 80 cab. But even if so, still a great value.

If it is Paradigm, good scores. But I tried it so I don't need the scores.

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#70 Post by Brent S » July 10th, 2020, 7:07 pm

Guys, drinking it now. Delivered yesterday. Here’s my best take at it:
Been open for an hour. Clearly this has massive bottle shock from not only being shipped just yesterday but probably bottled a week ago.

Nose-best part. Bright black cherry, smoke, anise, and sweet smelling dark fruits.

Palate-guys, it’s probably too early to really say here. Initially upon opening the oak was obtrusive, but pleasantly that Has vanished. Typical dark chocolate and plummy fruit. It’s a bit thin currently but I imagine this puts on massive weight over the next 12-24 months. It’s very disjointed but promising at this point. Long Potentially pretty finish as it’s very acidic probably from youth which is encouraging.

This will taste completely different in a month and I suggest you don’t make your buying decision based on my review, as it would not be fair to the wine.
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#71 Post by Brent S » July 10th, 2020, 9:06 pm

This has now been open 3 hours and is starting to not only fill out but loose some rough edges. It’s quite enjoyable but it’s way too primal to award any kind of score.
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#72 Post by MatthewT » July 10th, 2020, 9:32 pm

I decanted mine a few hours and then enjoyed over 5 more hours. I really do know nothing about wine but for 30, 40, or 50 a bottle - you can't lose here. It's fantastic given it was bottled 10 days ago and shipped yesterday. Won't open another till September and glad I got a second case.
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#73 Post by ray ormand » July 11th, 2020, 2:57 pm

Happy to buy the Sauvignon Blanc today. Another no brainer, tremendous value: $7bottle/no tax/free shipping and $1 donated to a local bookshop for their social ministry project. This Terrien guy makes my life better; stick around Michael. Also: the price of the Oakville Cabernet has been trending down all afternoon. Good news for those who are on the fence.

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#74 Post by MatthewT » July 11th, 2020, 3:23 pm

Nobody should be on the fence for the Cab. It will be the best $33 or $35 (pre shipping) bottle of wine you will ever drink. And I still don't know what it really tastes like cause of the bottle shock.
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#75 Post by Brent S » July 11th, 2020, 4:56 pm

Today this is much improved with 24 hours of air. Nutmeg and currants with some sweet fruit. Medium bodied. Long spicy finish. Can’t believe the quality for the price that I paid. I’ll put a 90-92 on this but it’s still soooo early. This will be a crowd pleaser but it is a serious and well made wine that should benefit from 2-5 years of cellaring as the tannins are obviously present but not too astringent
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#76 Post by MatthewT » July 11th, 2020, 5:53 pm

Brent S wrote:
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Today this is much improved with 24 hours of air. Nutmeg and currants with some sweet fruit. Medium bodied. Long spicy finish. Can’t believe the quality for the price. I’ll put a 90-92 on this but it’s still soooo early. This will be a crowd pleaser but it is a serious and well made wine that should benefit from 2-5 years of cellaring as the tannins are obviously present but not too astringent
Brent you agree 35 is ridiculously low right? Or do you mean what you paid for it?

So hard to judge it given just bottled. I can't wait to try another end of August.
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#77 Post by Mel Knox » July 11th, 2020, 6:06 pm

I see that Michael is pointing at a Taransaud barrel..Is he hinting at something??
Like I need more wine, but this does seem like a lot of fun.
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#78 Post by Brent S » July 11th, 2020, 6:11 pm

I paid much less then $35.
This is such a bizarre concept I’m not sure how to put a value on it

First off, it looks like a bootleg bottle. Doesn’t even say Cabernet Sauvignon Napa Valley 2018 on it. Not to mention it doesn’t even state the abv. But the juice is good. If you are comparing $35 against what other similar wines costs, sure it’s a bargain, but in the $35 range there are all sorts of amazing buys in the world of wines. I’ll buy everything he makes at a reasonable cost as I’m now a believer, but my opinion is the value I would pay needs to be about half of what a similar wine would cost, and there are some decent Napa cabs in the $35 range (at least on close out) that would compete with this. I bought his Sauvignon Blanc today.
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#79 Post by Glen Gold » July 11th, 2020, 6:16 pm

MatthewT wrote:
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Nobody should be on the fence for the Cab. It will be the best $33 or $35 (pre shipping) bottle of wine you will ever drink. And I still don't know what it really tastes like cause of the bottle shock.
I enjoy your enthusiasm but it isn't going to be the best $35 bottle of wine I will ever drink.
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#80 Post by MatthewT » July 11th, 2020, 6:34 pm

Glen Gold wrote:
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MatthewT wrote:
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Nobody should be on the fence for the Cab. It will be the best $33 or $35 (pre shipping) bottle of wine you will ever drink. And I still don't know what it really tastes like cause of the bottle shock.
I enjoy your enthusiasm but it isn't going to be the best $35 bottle of wine I will ever drink.
Seems like an arrogant statement if you haven't even tried it yet. Maybe say it "probably won't be".
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#81 Post by MatthewT » July 12th, 2020, 8:33 am

Mel Knox wrote:
July 11th, 2020, 6:06 pm
I see that Michael is pointing at a Taransaud barrel..Is he hinting at something??
Like I need more wine, but this does seem like a lot of fun.
Which wineries in Oakville use those barrels? Or is it too hard to figure out?
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#82 Post by John F. Ingram » July 12th, 2020, 9:15 am

It appears that Paradigm uses them but it looks like they brand all their barrels and that does not match the blurred out area he is pointing to in the image which I think is the winery.
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#83 Post by Mel Knox » July 12th, 2020, 9:17 am

Probably 50- between Rutherford and Yountville. I can never remember, Are we in Rutherford or Oakville??

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Paradigm...I would have never thought of them
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Opus uses chateau barrel so it is not them.

The grapes could be from oakville and the winery elsewhere.
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#84 Post by Peter Kleban » July 12th, 2020, 9:31 am

I see the formation of a "where did this Becheur wine come from?" WB detective squad. champagne.gif [cheers.gif]
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#85 Post by MatthewT » July 12th, 2020, 9:35 am

I like that he gave us so many clues like "west of the 29".
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#86 Post by YLee » July 21st, 2020, 12:08 pm

These are taking forever to sell out.
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#87 Post by MatthewT » July 21st, 2020, 12:16 pm

Sales have basically slowed to a halt. Same thing happened w/ the Pinot. I think it's a work in progress!
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#88 Post by YLee » July 21st, 2020, 4:02 pm

Anybody try this cab?
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#89 Post by MatthewT » July 21st, 2020, 4:04 pm

Yah, read the thread. A few reviews. I've had 2 bottles. I think incredible value at 35/ shipped. But I'm not going to have another till later in the Fall. Was just bottled. I got a 2nd case I liked it so much.
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#90 Post by JonathanG » July 21st, 2020, 5:28 pm

If Matthew bought it, so will I. Ordering now.
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#91 Post by MatthewT » July 21st, 2020, 5:30 pm

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If Matthew bought it, so will I. Ordering now.
It's legit. I would wait to open one though.
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#92 Post by JonathanG » July 21st, 2020, 5:48 pm

Whats annoying is that I pay more than the average but get a credit to spend on the next round. And then if I buy above average on the next round I get another credit....and so on and so forth... wish they just refunded you the delta. Ah well
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#93 Post by YLee » July 21st, 2020, 6:37 pm

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Whats annoying is that I pay more than the average but get a credit to spend on the next round. And then if I buy above average on the next round I get another credit....and so on and so forth... wish they just refunded you the delta. Ah well
But all the remaining bottles so I can see the next offer.
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#94 Post by MatthewT » July 21st, 2020, 6:48 pm

JonathanG wrote:
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Whats annoying is that I pay more than the average but get a credit to spend on the next round. And then if I buy above average on the next round I get another credit....and so on and so forth... wish they just refunded you the delta. Ah well
I think the whole thing is a work in progress for him. It's clear he's not doing this to make a living. I'm surprised he hasn't been able to sell more but guessing after people try the wines (most are held for summer shipping) there will be a lot of repeat buyers.
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#95 Post by Toby P » July 21st, 2020, 7:01 pm

Could be wrong, but I don’t think the pricing model makes sense in general. I personally struggle to pay significantly more than I know others have, so tough to pay >$30 when I know others have paid <$10. This is obviously not rational, but I don’t think it’s unusual and probably keeps a lot of folks from buying. I don’t even see the point in selling the first cases at such a low price, it obviously loses him money but what is gained? Anyways, think he’d be better off just offering a single good / fair price
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#96 Post by MatthewT » July 21st, 2020, 7:04 pm

Toby P wrote:
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Could be wrong, but I don’t think the pricing model makes sense in general. I personally struggle to pay significantly more than I know others have, so tough to pay >$30 when I know others have paid <$10. This is obviously not rational, but I don’t think it’s unusual and probably keeps a lot of folks from buying. I don’t even see the point in selling the first cases at such a low price, it obviously loses him money but what is gained? Anyways, think he’d be better off just offering a single good / fair price
I think it creates a "rush" and excitement to the wine. He actually saw what happened when he started the Pinot at a high price and it also didn't sell a ton of cases. I just think he's experimenting and seeing how it goes.

I went back and happily bought a 2nd case of Cab at $37/bottle after I tried it.

But yah, I'm not sure much us gained selling a bunch of cases at <$10 a bottle shipped. Except for those of us who were able to buy them.
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#97 Post by JonathanG » July 21st, 2020, 7:27 pm

YLee wrote:
July 21st, 2020, 6:37 pm
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July 21st, 2020, 5:48 pm
Whats annoying is that I pay more than the average but get a credit to spend on the next round. And then if I buy above average on the next round I get another credit....and so on and so forth... wish they just refunded you the delta. Ah well
But all the remaining bottles so I can see the next offer.
I tried but was limited to 12 bottles.
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#98 Post by F.Daner » July 22nd, 2020, 6:54 am

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Yah, I thought that was pretty funny. But I tried it. It's the cab. And it's really really good.
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#99 Post by JonathanG » July 27th, 2020, 9:45 pm

mine arrive tomorrow. Will crack one open prob on Fri to see what I think. MatthewT's reputation is on the line here.
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#100 Post by MatthewT » July 28th, 2020, 6:15 am

JonathanG wrote:
July 27th, 2020, 9:45 pm
mine arrive tomorrow. Will crack one open prob on Fri to see what I think. MatthewT's reputation is on the line here.
LOL. let it decant a looooong time. and it will make you buy 6 more.
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