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Re: Becheur 2018 Cabernet

#101 Post by Chris Seiber » July 28th, 2020, 10:50 am

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Could be wrong, but I don’t think the pricing model makes sense in general. I personally struggle to pay significantly more than I know others have, so tough to pay >$30 when I know others have paid <$10. This is obviously not rational, but I don’t think it’s unusual and probably keeps a lot of folks from buying. I don’t even see the point in selling the first cases at such a low price, it obviously loses him money but what is gained? Anyways, think he’d be better off just offering a single good / fair price
I feel the same way, but it looks like he's ended up selling 850 bottles or so at an average of $31, so it seems to have worked out. Hard to say if this would have sold the same way if he'd just offered them all at $31.

And to an earlier point, the price can go down. It hit a peak of $40.70 and is currently at $35.00.

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#102 Post by Chris H. » July 28th, 2020, 11:23 am

I just ordered 6. Won’t ship until fall because I live in Minnesota, unfortunately. But better than risking cooking the wine...
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Re: Becheur 2018 Cabernet

#103 Post by Toby P » July 28th, 2020, 11:58 am

Chris Seiber wrote:
July 28th, 2020, 10:50 am
Toby P wrote:
July 21st, 2020, 7:01 pm
Could be wrong, but I don’t think the pricing model makes sense in general. I personally struggle to pay significantly more than I know others have, so tough to pay >$30 when I know others have paid <$10. This is obviously not rational, but I don’t think it’s unusual and probably keeps a lot of folks from buying. I don’t even see the point in selling the first cases at such a low price, it obviously loses him money but what is gained? Anyways, think he’d be better off just offering a single good / fair price
I feel the same way, but it looks like he's ended up selling 850 bottles or so at an average of $31, so it seems to have worked out. Hard to say if this would have sold the same way if he'd just offered them all at $31.

And to an earlier point, the price can go down. It hit a peak of $40.70 and is currently at $35.00.
I should update and note that I ended up buying 6 based on reviews here / increased confidence that it is indeed a premium winery that sells their goods for way higher. Also used a $20 referral, free shipping and it seems no sales tax so more like $30 a bottle pricing.

The fact that he's sold 850 at $31 doesn't tell me dynamic pricing is working though. If he had just come out at $30-35 he may have done better. Again, the only reason to sell a handful of cases at a steep loss is if that somehow stimulates more sales than would have otherwise occurred at higher prices. I just can't see any scenario where someone is more likely to buy at $35 knowing that they missed it when it was $5, $10, $15 etc? And I definitely think it is a deterrent for many who don't like knowing they are paying much higher prices than some others did. I don't see why he wouldn't start the pricing at say $30 and see where it goes from there. Anyways, it's cool that the early birds get an awesome deal, generous of Michael and great for buyers, just talking in terms of what would be best for sales.
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Re: Becheur 2018 Cabernet

#104 Post by MatthewT » July 28th, 2020, 1:20 pm

Chris H. wrote:
July 28th, 2020, 11:23 am
I just ordered 6. Won’t ship until fall because I live in Minnesota, unfortunately. But better than risking cooking the wine...
Honestly you don't want to drink this now anyway. It needs a lot of time in the bottle.
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#105 Post by NickRut » July 28th, 2020, 2:10 pm

Chris Seiber wrote:
July 28th, 2020, 10:50 am
Toby P wrote:
July 21st, 2020, 7:01 pm
Could be wrong, but I don’t think the pricing model makes sense in general. I personally struggle to pay significantly more than I know others have, so tough to pay >$30 when I know others have paid <$10. This is obviously not rational, but I don’t think it’s unusual and probably keeps a lot of folks from buying. I don’t even see the point in selling the first cases at such a low price, it obviously loses him money but what is gained? Anyways, think he’d be better off just offering a single good / fair price
I feel the same way, but it looks like he's ended up selling 850 bottles or so at an average of $31, so it seems to have worked out. Hard to say if this would have sold the same way if he'd just offered them all at $31.

And to an earlier point, the price can go down. It hit a peak of $40.70 and is currently at $35.00.

Yeah the algorithm is weird. It doesn’t decline fast. Only increases fast. Probably is built on a very long time frame so even if days pass with no sales, it drops only a few cents. Very goofy model
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Re: Becheur 2018 Cabernet

#106 Post by YLee » July 28th, 2020, 2:20 pm

Toby P wrote:
July 28th, 2020, 11:58 am
Chris Seiber wrote:
July 28th, 2020, 10:50 am
Toby P wrote:
July 21st, 2020, 7:01 pm
Could be wrong, but I don’t think the pricing model makes sense in general. I personally struggle to pay significantly more than I know others have, so tough to pay >$30 when I know others have paid <$10. This is obviously not rational, but I don’t think it’s unusual and probably keeps a lot of folks from buying. I don’t even see the point in selling the first cases at such a low price, it obviously loses him money but what is gained? Anyways, think he’d be better off just offering a single good / fair price
I feel the same way, but it looks like he's ended up selling 850 bottles or so at an average of $31, so it seems to have worked out. Hard to say if this would have sold the same way if he'd just offered them all at $31.

And to an earlier point, the price can go down. It hit a peak of $40.70 and is currently at $35.00.
I should update and note that I ended up buying 6 based on reviews here / increased confidence that it is indeed a premium winery that sells their goods for way higher. Also used a $20 referral, free shipping and it seems no sales tax so more like $30 a bottle pricing.

The fact that he's sold 850 at $31 doesn't tell me dynamic pricing is working though. If he had just come out at $30-35 he may have done better. Again, the only reason to sell a handful of cases at a steep loss is if that somehow stimulates more sales than would have otherwise occurred at higher prices. I just can't see any scenario where someone is more likely to buy at $35 knowing that they missed it when it was $5, $10, $15 etc? And I definitely think it is a deterrent for many who don't like knowing they are paying much higher prices than some others did. I don't see why he wouldn't start the pricing at say $30 and see where it goes from there. Anyways, it's cool that the early birds get an awesome deal, generous of Michael and great for buyers, just talking in terms of what would be best for sales.
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#107 Post by Peter Kleban » July 28th, 2020, 2:36 pm

MatthewT wrote:
July 28th, 2020, 1:20 pm
Chris H. wrote:
July 28th, 2020, 11:23 am
I just ordered 6. Won’t ship until fall because I live in Minnesota, unfortunately. But better than risking cooking the wine...
Honestly you don't want to drink this now anyway. It needs a lot of time in the bottle.
Same here (NJ)--much too hot to ship now. I have 3 six packs of Bêcheur on order, Chard, PN, and Cab. Looking forward to cooler weather!
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Re: Becheur 2018 Cabernet

#108 Post by JonathanG » July 28th, 2020, 2:51 pm

MatthewT wrote:
July 28th, 2020, 1:20 pm
Honestly you don't want to drink this now anyway. It needs a lot of time in the bottle.
Don't say that, I was planning on popping one this weekend to give it a test drive!
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#109 Post by MatthewT » July 28th, 2020, 2:58 pm

JonathanG wrote:
July 28th, 2020, 2:51 pm
MatthewT wrote:
July 28th, 2020, 1:20 pm
Honestly you don't want to drink this now anyway. It needs a lot of time in the bottle.
Don't say that, I was planning on popping one this weekend to give it a test drive!
You should def do that cause you'll just buy a 2nd case. But give it a loooooong decant.
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#110 Post by PaulMills » July 29th, 2020, 6:04 pm

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July 9th, 2020, 11:12 am
Yah, I thought that was pretty funny. But I tried it. It's the cab. And it's really really good.

Anything else you can add? Worth $15? Worth $35? Will it age? Is it a party wine? Alcohol feel?

I bought the chard and was very happy.

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#111 Post by MatthewT » July 29th, 2020, 6:28 pm

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July 29th, 2020, 6:04 pm
MatthewT wrote:
July 9th, 2020, 11:12 am
Yah, I thought that was pretty funny. But I tried it. It's the cab. And it's really really good.

Anything else you can add? Worth $15? Worth $35? Will it age? Is it a party wine? Alcohol feel?

I bought the chard and was very happy.
Did you read thread? It's worth well more than $35, both QPR and "Retail". But I'm not a wine guy besides drinking it every day. I have no idea what anyone talks about on this website. Oak, etc. Quite frankly I don't know what I'm doing here. But I do like to drink wine a lot. And have a lot of time on my hands. Becheur and de Negoce are fascinating to me so it's why I post, no other real reason.
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#112 Post by PaulMills » July 29th, 2020, 7:36 pm

MatthewT wrote:
July 29th, 2020, 6:28 pm
PaulMills wrote:
July 29th, 2020, 6:04 pm
MatthewT wrote:
July 9th, 2020, 11:12 am
Yah, I thought that was pretty funny. But I tried it. It's the cab. And it's really really good.

Anything else you can add? Worth $15? Worth $35? Will it age? Is it a party wine? Alcohol feel?

I bought the chard and was very happy.
Did you read thread? It's worth well more than $35, both QPR and "Retail". But I'm not a wine guy besides drinking it every day. I have no idea what anyone talks about on this website. Oak, etc. Quite frankly I don't know what I'm doing here. But I do like to drink wine a lot. And have a lot of time on my hands. Becheur and de Negoce are fascinating to me so it's why I post, no other real reason.
I read the thread, and honestly, I still question the value, hence the question. Based on your posts on de Negoce and Becheur you seem like a shill for them. It is great that you admit you are fascinated by them, but you are overly enthusiastic considering your claim that you do not know what anyone here is talking about.

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#113 Post by MatthewT » July 29th, 2020, 8:23 pm

PaulMills wrote:
July 29th, 2020, 7:36 pm
MatthewT wrote:
July 29th, 2020, 6:28 pm
PaulMills wrote:
July 29th, 2020, 6:04 pm



Anything else you can add? Worth $15? Worth $35? Will it age? Is it a party wine? Alcohol feel?

I bought the chard and was very happy.
Did you read thread? It's worth well more than $35, both QPR and "Retail". But I'm not a wine guy besides drinking it every day. I have no idea what anyone talks about on this website. Oak, etc. Quite frankly I don't know what I'm doing here. But I do like to drink wine a lot. And have a lot of time on my hands. Becheur and de Negoce are fascinating to me so it's why I post, no other real reason.
I read the thread, and honestly, I still question the value, hence the question. Based on your posts on de Negoce and Becheur you seem like a shill for them. It is great that you admit you are fascinated by them, but you are overly enthusiastic considering your claim that you do not know what anyone here is talking about.
If you think I'm a shill for 2 completely different companies why did you ask me MORE QUESTIONS!??!??!?!
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#114 Post by JonathanG » July 29th, 2020, 8:30 pm

matthewT is no shill just someone enthusiastic about these offers.
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#115 Post by Nate Simon » July 29th, 2020, 10:04 pm

JonathanG wrote:
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matthewT is no shill just someone enthusiastic about these offers.
Everyone knows Matthew is in the pocket of Big Negociant. champagne.gif

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#116 Post by JonathanG » July 29th, 2020, 10:33 pm

More like Big Negociant is all in MatthewT's pocket!!

(I had a nice chuckle at your post, well done)
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#117 Post by Chris Seiber » July 29th, 2020, 11:11 pm

Nate Simon wrote:
July 29th, 2020, 10:04 pm
JonathanG wrote:
July 29th, 2020, 8:30 pm
matthewT is no shill just someone enthusiastic about these offers.
Everyone knows Matthew is in the pocket of Big Negociant.
“Big Negociant” is awesome. Hat tip.

I think Frank Murray is in the pocket of “Big Grower” in the Champagne region.

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#118 Post by MatthewT » July 30th, 2020, 4:33 am

lol all of this
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#119 Post by YLee » July 30th, 2020, 4:38 am

Was anyone able to buy this cab for less than $5?
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#120 Post by MatthewT » July 30th, 2020, 4:46 am

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Was anyone able to buy this cab for less than $5?
i paid 3/ bottle for my first case
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#121 Post by PaulMills » July 30th, 2020, 1:24 pm

MatthewT wrote:
July 29th, 2020, 8:23 pm
PaulMills wrote:
July 29th, 2020, 7:36 pm
MatthewT wrote:
July 29th, 2020, 6:28 pm


Did you read thread? It's worth well more than $35, both QPR and "Retail". But I'm not a wine guy besides drinking it every day. I have no idea what anyone talks about on this website. Oak, etc. Quite frankly I don't know what I'm doing here. But I do like to drink wine a lot. And have a lot of time on my hands. Becheur and de Negoce are fascinating to me so it's why I post, no other real reason.
I read the thread, and honestly, I still question the value, hence the question. Based on your posts on de Negoce and Becheur you seem like a shill for them. It is great that you admit you are fascinated by them, but you are overly enthusiastic considering your claim that you do not know what anyone here is talking about.
If you think I'm a shill for 2 completely different companies why did you ask me MORE QUESTIONS!??!??!?!
I did not ask you any more questions, not sure how you read that in to my statement. Perhaps I should have said “I read the thread, and honestly, I still questioned the value” to be clear. It is great that you are enthusiastic as you are, keep at it.

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#122 Post by JonathanG » July 31st, 2020, 9:57 pm

Nice job on the $3 case MatthewT. I cracked one open today, couldn't help myself. I filled 2 4oz bottles for a friend to let him try it tomorrow. I took a small sample, basically PnP. The tannins are very nice, not overwhelming, not astringent, just youthful and a bit chalky, and, at least to me, show that this wine should have some promise. The fruit was, well, super young fruit. I'm assuming that will calm down a lot though with some time in the bottle. Letting the rest of the bottle sit in the wine fridge with the cork in, no vacuum, and will see how it develops over the course of tomorrow.
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#123 Post by MatthewT » August 1st, 2020, 7:07 am

JonathanG wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 9:57 pm
Nice job on the $3 case MatthewT. I cracked one open today, couldn't help myself. I filled 2 4oz bottles for a friend to let him try it tomorrow. I took a small sample, basically PnP. The tannins are very nice, not overwhelming, not astringent, just youthful and a bit chalky, and, at least to me, show that this wine should have some promise. The fruit was, well, super young fruit. I'm assuming that will calm down a lot though with some time in the bottle. Letting the rest of the bottle sit in the wine fridge with the cork in, no vacuum, and will see how it develops over the course of tomorrow.
I told you too young! Not opening another one till late Fall. Needs a loooooong decant.

Yah paid $3 but bought a 2nd case at $37/bottle
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#124 Post by Josh Grossman » August 1st, 2020, 7:20 am

It doesn't seem to be the smartest pricing scheme as no one wants to then pay higher than average for a wine. Lose money on the first few bottles and lose sales on the rest?

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#125 Post by NickRut » August 1st, 2020, 7:56 am

Josh Grossman wrote:
August 1st, 2020, 7:20 am
It doesn't seem to be the smartest pricing scheme as no one wants to then pay higher than average for a wine. Lose money on the first few bottles and lose sales on the rest?


Yeah these 700 bottles have been sitting for at least a week
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#126 Post by Marshall Manning » August 1st, 2020, 11:03 am

Same thing with the Sauv Blanc. It's not really dynamic pricing if it doesn't ever drop after the initial offering.
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#127 Post by JonathanG » August 1st, 2020, 3:50 pm

MatthewT wrote:
August 1st, 2020, 7:07 am
JonathanG wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 9:57 pm
Nice job on the $3 case MatthewT. I cracked one open today, couldn't help myself. I filled 2 4oz bottles for a friend to let him try it tomorrow. I took a small sample, basically PnP. The tannins are very nice, not overwhelming, not astringent, just youthful and a bit chalky, and, at least to me, show that this wine should have some promise. The fruit was, well, super young fruit. I'm assuming that will calm down a lot though with some time in the bottle. Letting the rest of the bottle sit in the wine fridge with the cork in, no vacuum, and will see how it develops over the course of tomorrow.
I told you too young! Not opening another one till late Fall. Needs a loooooong decant.

Yah paid $3 but bought a 2nd case at $37/bottle
Not sure decanting is improving anything. Took a sneaky sip earlier, and it developed a peppery finish with a little heat. Will check in again in a couple hours. I think these just need to sit. I'm not going to touch any of these for 5+ years.
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#128 Post by MatthewT » August 1st, 2020, 4:11 pm

JonathanG wrote:
August 1st, 2020, 3:50 pm
MatthewT wrote:
August 1st, 2020, 7:07 am
JonathanG wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 9:57 pm
Nice job on the $3 case MatthewT. I cracked one open today, couldn't help myself. I filled 2 4oz bottles for a friend to let him try it tomorrow. I took a small sample, basically PnP. The tannins are very nice, not overwhelming, not astringent, just youthful and a bit chalky, and, at least to me, show that this wine should have some promise. The fruit was, well, super young fruit. I'm assuming that will calm down a lot though with some time in the bottle. Letting the rest of the bottle sit in the wine fridge with the cork in, no vacuum, and will see how it develops over the course of tomorrow.
I told you too young! Not opening another one till late Fall. Needs a loooooong decant.

Yah paid $3 but bought a 2nd case at $37/bottle
Not sure decanting is improving anything. Took a sneaky sip earlier, and it developed a peppery finish with a little heat. Will check in again in a couple hours. I think these just need to sit. I'm not going to touch any of these for 5+ years.
5 years!?!??! Humans might not even be around in 5 years. But yah, the wine is young.
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#129 Post by JonathanG » August 1st, 2020, 7:51 pm

OK the results are in. As mentioned above, I opened a bottle last night, poured 8oz out of the bottle (for a friend to try), pushed cork back in (no vacuum cork) and let it sit overnight in the wine fridge. This morning I did a full decant, sampled a couple times during the day, then again with dinner 10 hrs later. The wine really didn't budget until after about hour 8 in the decanter. The youthful fruitiness is still there but now only on the nose and not when you taste. The wine is the real deal. It reminds me very much of a Rivers Marie NV wine I tried a few days ago. To me, it has dark plum, black cherry, and some dark chocolate. The tannins are youthful but not astringent in any way. I think this is going to be an unbelievable wine. I ordered 2 more cases and expect to gleefully enjoy this wine over the next 10 years.
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#130 Post by YLee » August 1st, 2020, 8:16 pm

Hmmm..... There are 666 bottles left.
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#131 Post by MatthewT » August 1st, 2020, 8:22 pm

The wine is legit. Some putz said earlier (in response to me saying it will be the best $35 bottle of wine you will ever drink) that I am wrong. He said this without ever drinking it! It's really more like a $30 bottle of wine if you take away shipping and include the "coupon".

Buy it, don't buy it. I could give 2 shits. If there is any knock, it probably does need a lot of time in the bottle. Definitely not ready for consumption right now.

I bought another case right now, making it 3. If you include the two half cases I bought for friends, it's 4. If you include all the people I referred it's like 20. I'm including Jonathan. lol
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#132 Post by JonathanG » August 1st, 2020, 9:18 pm

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Hmmm..... There are 666 bottles left.
Dun dun duuuunnnn!
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#133 Post by david paly » August 1st, 2020, 9:33 pm

The combativeness of this thread reminds me of the WB of yesteryear. Maybe the plague is just making people grumpy.,

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#134 Post by Brent S » August 1st, 2020, 9:52 pm

Hopefully the next offer brings the same kind of exciting discussion!
But oddly nobody’s talking about the Sauvignon Blanc....
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#135 Post by Toby P » August 2nd, 2020, 5:02 am

JonathanG wrote:
August 1st, 2020, 7:51 pm
OK the results are in. As mentioned above, I opened a bottle last night, poured 8oz out of the bottle (for a friend to try), pushed cork back in (no vacuum cork) and let it sit overnight in the wine fridge. This morning I did a full decant, sampled a couple times during the day, then again with dinner 10 hrs later. The wine really didn't budget until after about hour 8 in the decanter. The youthful fruitiness is still there but now only on the nose and not when you taste. The wine is the real deal. It reminds me very much of a Rivers Marie NV wine I tried a few days ago. To me, it has dark plum, black cherry, and some dark chocolate. The tannins are youthful but not astringent in any way. I think this is going to be an unbelievable wine. I ordered 2 more cases and expect to gleefully enjoy this wine over the next 10 years.
Wow that's a pretty strong endorsement! Thanks for opening / sharing. Might have to order another 6...

Regarding the sauvignon blanc, there was a separate thread with a couple of positive reviews so far: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=171858
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Re: Becheur 2018 Cabernet

#136 Post by JonathanG » August 2nd, 2020, 7:29 am

Brent S wrote:
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Hopefully the next offer brings the same kind of exciting discussion!
But oddly nobody’s talking about the Sauvignon Blanc....
Id love to try one SB but Im not normally a white drinker, so dont want to order a half case of it. If the CS is any indication its prob pretty good
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Re: Becheur 2018 Cabernet

#137 Post by NickRut » August 2nd, 2020, 8:02 am

If it goes to 30 a bottle I’ll bite. Seems stuck at 35 though.
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Re: Becheur 2018 Cabernet

#138 Post by MatthewT » August 2nd, 2020, 8:05 am

The algo has a 35 floor. But it's free shipping.
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Re: Becheur 2018 Cabernet

#139 Post by NickRut » August 2nd, 2020, 8:32 am

MatthewT wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 8:05 am
The algo has a 35 floor. But it's free shipping.


Why a 35 floor? That’s silly to me. What’s the point in dynamic pricing if there’s an artificial floor?
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Re: Becheur 2018 Cabernet

#140 Post by Glen Gold » August 2nd, 2020, 8:33 am

MatthewT wrote:
August 1st, 2020, 8:22 pm
The wine is legit. Some putz said earlier (in response to me saying it will be the best $35 bottle of wine you will ever drink) that I am wrong. He said this without ever drinking it!
I'm that putz and you also called me arrogant. But for some weird reason I still love your enthusiasm.
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Re: Becheur 2018 Cabernet

#141 Post by MatthewT » August 2nd, 2020, 8:47 am

NickRut wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 8:32 am
MatthewT wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 8:05 am
The algo has a 35 floor. But it's free shipping.


Why a 35 floor? That’s silly to me. What’s the point in dynamic pricing if there’s an artificial floor?
I do not work for or run the website, I don't know! But it doesn't go below 35.
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Re: Becheur 2018 Cabernet

#142 Post by MatthewT » August 2nd, 2020, 8:48 am

Glen Gold wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 8:33 am
MatthewT wrote:
August 1st, 2020, 8:22 pm
The wine is legit. Some putz said earlier (in response to me saying it will be the best $35 bottle of wine you will ever drink) that I am wrong. He said this without ever drinking it!
I'm that putz and you also called me arrogant. But for some weird reason I still love your enthusiasm.
Just thought that statement was arrogant. Def not calling *you* arrogant. Sorry if it came off that way.
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Re: Becheur 2018 Cabernet

#143 Post by NickRut » August 2nd, 2020, 8:50 am

MatthewT wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 8:47 am
NickRut wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 8:32 am
MatthewT wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 8:05 am
The algo has a 35 floor. But it's free shipping.


Why a 35 floor? That’s silly to me. What’s the point in dynamic pricing if there’s an artificial floor?
I figured since you bought so much he might’ve given you partial ownership. Lol, kidding. Maybe it’ll drop at some point.

I do not work for or run the website, I don't know! But it doesn't go below 35.
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Re: Becheur 2018 Cabernet

#144 Post by MatthewT » August 2nd, 2020, 8:54 am

NickRut wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 8:50 am
MatthewT wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 8:47 am
NickRut wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 8:32 am




Why a 35 floor? That’s silly to me. What’s the point in dynamic pricing if there’s an artificial floor?
I figured since you bought so much he might’ve given you partial ownership. Lol, kidding. Maybe it’ll drop at some point.

I do not work for or run the website, I don't know! But it doesn't go below 35.
lol. I think a full 24 hours went w/o a single sale and it didn't go below 35. Same as the Sauv Blanc at 15. My guess is he knows the wines are good, doesn't want to lose money, and will figure out a way to move them over time.
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Re: Becheur 2018 Cabernet

#145 Post by DanielP » August 2nd, 2020, 8:58 am

MatthewT wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 8:48 am
Glen Gold wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 8:33 am
MatthewT wrote:
August 1st, 2020, 8:22 pm
The wine is legit. Some putz said earlier (in response to me saying it will be the best $35 bottle of wine you will ever drink) that I am wrong. He said this without ever drinking it!
I'm that putz and you also called me arrogant. But for some weird reason I still love your enthusiasm.
Just thought that statement was arrogant. Def not calling *you* arrogant. Sorry if it came off that way.
If you consider how much palates vary and just how many $35 wines will be out there, it's a pretty bold statement. I mean hell, what if I were to prefer one of the many de Negoce cabs over this one? Or maybe I'm just not as into Napa cabernet as a good riesling? Pretty slim chance it's the best $35 bottle I'll ever drink even if I like it alot.

As far as the pricing model goes, I don't think it should be abruptly dropping back down to a $35 floor so abruptly. A gradual decrease would be better, even if there is a $35 floor. Additionally, I think it would be a lot more successful if it did not show the number of bottles remaining nor the pricing history. No one feels pressure to buy when the pricing is above the average and they see that there are still hundreds of bottles remaining.
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Re: Becheur 2018 Cabernet

#146 Post by MatthewT » August 2nd, 2020, 9:09 am

DanielP wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 8:58 am
MatthewT wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 8:48 am
Glen Gold wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 8:33 am


I'm that putz and you also called me arrogant. But for some weird reason I still love your enthusiasm.
Just thought that statement was arrogant. Def not calling *you* arrogant. Sorry if it came off that way.
If you consider how much palates vary and just how many $35 wines will be out there, it's a pretty bold statement. I mean hell, what if I were to prefer one of the many de Negoce cabs over this one? Or maybe I'm just not as into Napa cabernet as a good riesling? Pretty slim chance it's the best $35 bottle I'll ever drink even if I like it alot.

As far as the pricing model goes, I don't think it should be abruptly dropping back down to a $35 floor so abruptly. A gradual decrease would be better, even if there is a $35 floor. Additionally, I think it would be a lot more successful if it did not show the number of bottles remaining nor the pricing history. No one feels pressure to buy when the pricing is above the average and they see that there are still hundreds of bottles remaining.
de Negoce cabs would be the best $12 or $18 bottle of wine you've ever had, not $35. neener
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Re: Becheur 2018 Cabernet

#147 Post by YLee » August 5th, 2020, 8:01 pm

So anyone else try this? How was it?
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Re: Becheur 2018 Cabernet

#148 Post by MatthewT » August 5th, 2020, 8:34 pm

YLee wrote:
August 5th, 2020, 8:01 pm
So anyone else try this? How was it?
haha how many people can say the wine is legit at a $35/bottle shipped price point before people believe it? there are two tasting notes on cellartracker and i think 3 reviews in this thread? all glowing? $35 wine, shipped, lol. it's not $350.

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