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What Sparkling Wine not named Champagne are you drinking?

#1 Post by Jim Stewart » June 27th, 2020, 4:35 am

I have been learning about, and tasting and accumulating Champagne over the past couple of years. I thank (blame?) my fellow Wine Berserkers.
At the same time, I have also expanded my non-Champagne sparkling wine horizons a bit and have tasted and enjoyed a few new-to-me ones. Although I have seen incidental and older threads on the topic, I thought it might be interesting to start a current thread dedicated to sparkling wines not named Champagne.
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#2 Post by Jim Stewart » June 27th, 2020, 4:36 am

Labouré-Gontard Crémant de Bourgogne Brut
My first and this was an unexpected and pleasant surprise. Brought over by my non wine-geek son on Father’s Day along with a couple of other wines. It was a great starter wine. Dry, balanced, light and flavorful fruit, with quite soft bubbles. We chatted and drank and emptied the bottle rather quickly. Recommended.
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#3 Post by Howard Cooper » June 27th, 2020, 5:42 am

Not recently, but I have very much liked Peter Lauer Riesling Sekt when I have had it. Also, Huet in the Loire makes excellent sparkling wines.
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#4 Post by RichardFlack » June 27th, 2020, 8:23 am

Duran Gran Reserva
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#5 Post by M Passo » June 27th, 2020, 8:52 am

Wonderful topic. Lots of great stuff in champagne but to venture beyond can be liberating. My latest find was Collin Cremant de Limoux Cuvee Rose. Medium dry (6gm dosage), and full of light red fruit and gorgeous bubbles. Nice summer sparkling rose for less than 20 bucks.
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#6 Post by CJ Beazley » June 27th, 2020, 8:59 am

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June 27th, 2020, 8:52 am
Wonderful topic. Lots of great stuff in champagne but to venture beyond can be liberating. My latest find was Collin Cremant de Limoux Cuvee Rose. Medium dry (6gm dosage), and full of light red fruit and gorgeous bubbles. Nice summer sparkling rose for less than 20 bucks.
Does anyone make a low dosage Cremant?
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#7 Post by Marshall Manning » June 27th, 2020, 9:11 am

I always like the Allimant-Laugner Cremant d'Alsace Rose and the Piuze Val de Mer Cremant de Bourgogne is a nice value, too.
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#8 Post by Scott Goodwin » June 27th, 2020, 9:13 am

Pere Mata cava. Ridiculous value.

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#9 Post by Kris Patten » June 27th, 2020, 9:25 am

Being in WA and selling it, we go thru quite a bit of Treveri Rose Brut and Blanc de Blanc Brut Zero since its local.
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#10 Post by Hank Victor » June 27th, 2020, 9:26 am

Lucien Albrecht Cremant de Loire Rose
Gramona Gran Reserva Cava
Kuentz-Bas Cremant de Loire
Scrhamsberg BdB
Piper Sonoma BdB
House Wine Canned Sparkling Rose
Lambert de Seysel Petite Royal from Savoie

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#11 Post by Will Clements » June 27th, 2020, 9:31 am

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#12 Post by RichardFlack » June 27th, 2020, 9:34 am

Scott Goodwin wrote:
June 27th, 2020, 9:13 am
Pere Mata cava. Ridiculous value.
Most Cava is VGV, my go-to category for non champagne bubbles.

Am I wrong, or is there not a lot of Prosecco suggested in this thread? Just sayin’.... [stirthepothal.gif]

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#13 Post by Hank Victor » June 27th, 2020, 9:40 am

RichardFlack wrote:
June 27th, 2020, 9:34 am
Scott Goodwin wrote:
June 27th, 2020, 9:13 am
Pere Mata cava. Ridiculous value.
Am I wrong, or is there not a lot of Prosecco suggested in this thread? Just sayin’.... [stirthepothal.gif]
I've noticed not many are suggested. I do believe some excellent Prosecco is being produced but the cost is prohibitive. For example if I want to buy a bottle of Cartizze Prosecco I am dishing out $40-$60 a btl. At that price point I have plenty of options for quality Champagne. It boils down if you prefer the style of Prosecco over the style of Champagne. I don't.
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#14 Post by Josh Grossman » June 27th, 2020, 10:00 am

Roederer Estate Rose recently and was happy with it for the price. I've gone through a few bottles of 2009 Huet Petillant Brut and found it to be a good value too. Neither were as complex as some of my favorite champagnes that I can get a very similar price points.

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#15 Post by Jay Miller » June 27th, 2020, 11:49 am

Huet and Pinon in Loire, Il Fortunato in Prosecco, Mongioia in Moscato d’asti
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#16 Post by RichardFlack » June 27th, 2020, 12:34 pm

Hank Victor wrote:
June 27th, 2020, 9:40 am
RichardFlack wrote:
June 27th, 2020, 9:34 am
Scott Goodwin wrote:
June 27th, 2020, 9:13 am
Pere Mata cava. Ridiculous value.
Am I wrong, or is there not a lot of Prosecco suggested in this thread? Just sayin’.... [stirthepothal.gif]
I've noticed not many are suggested. I do believe some excellent Prosecco is being produced but the cost is prohibitive. For example if I want to buy a bottle of Cartizze Prosecco I am dishing out $40-$60 a btl. At that price point I have plenty of options for quality Champagne. It boils down if you prefer the style of Prosecco over the style of Champagne. I don't.
Indeed. My point was at a lower price level, say $20 - $35 Can ( so that’s about $3 us, right Lol). You can get good Cava but I have yet to find a Prosecco that is worthwhile. You may be right that it’s style (or palate) but I find most cheap Prosecco too obviously industrial.

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#17 Post by Jason R. » June 27th, 2020, 12:47 pm

I quite enjoy Chavy-Chouet’s Cremant. I believe he notes it’s a “low dosage”, but I can’t find any confirmatory details.
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#18 Post by Mark E. » June 27th, 2020, 1:06 pm

Rotari Brut Rosé Metodo Classico is something I always try to have in the house. Pinot Noir/Chardonnay blend. Can always find 2013/2014 locally for under $20, and it's killer bubbly for the price.
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#19 Post by M a x S w o m l e y » June 27th, 2020, 1:07 pm

I'm a big fan of the Raventos i Blanc de Nit Rose.

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#20 Post by Eric Ifune » June 27th, 2020, 3:30 pm

Vertice Espumante from Portugal.

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#21 Post by Ed Steinway » June 27th, 2020, 4:33 pm

Roederer Estate Brut is our go-to. Hard to beat for $20.

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#22 Post by B Rottinghaus » June 27th, 2020, 4:54 pm

Murgo brut metodo classico is a good pick for $20
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#23 Post by K Kl@dder » June 27th, 2020, 5:39 pm

Domaine Chandon Brut, it’s awful
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#24 Post by Dan Kravitz » June 27th, 2020, 5:53 pm

Great topic, but some memories that I wish were still here. I have dozens of suggestions and comments, will limit myself and return to this in another post.

Roederer Estate is as wonderful as everybody says.

Departed:
Mountain Dome out of Washington is no longer produced, IMO they were the single best value in American bubbly.

Sorry, just not the same:
Gruet: Has changed hands, few if any bottlings are still New Mexico fruit and IMO quality has declined. A go-to staple for a few decades that I now avoid.

So far under the radar:
Korbel Russian River Valley Natural - haven't had one for over five years, not sure if this is still Russian River Valley Appellation, but if it is... it's possibly the single best value in the world for bubbly. The Real Stuff is vintage dated, no idea what vintage(s) are best now.

Cremant de Savoie

Cremants de Bourgogne and Limoux have already been mentioned. I concur.

Ferrari Brut

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#25 Post by Mike Evans » June 27th, 2020, 6:05 pm

Renardat-Fâche Vin du Bugey-Cerdon, an off-dry, relatively low alcohol rosé blend of Gamay and Poulsard that is pure liquid joy.

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#26 Post by Kris Patten » June 27th, 2020, 6:56 pm

Dan Kravitz wrote:
June 27th, 2020, 5:53 pm
Great topic, but some memories that I wish were still here. I have dozens of suggestions and comments, will limit myself and return to this in another post.

Roederer Estate is as wonderful as everybody says.

Departed:
Mountain Dome out of Washington is no longer produced, IMO they were the single best value in American bubbly.

Sorry, just not the same:
Gruet: Has changed hands, few if any bottlings are still New Mexico fruit and IMO quality has declined. A go-to staple for a few decades that I now avoid.

So far under the radar:
Korbel Russian River Valley Natural - haven't had one for over five years, not sure if this is still Russian River Valley Appellation, but if it is... it's possibly the single best value in the world for bubbly. The Real Stuff is vintage dated, no idea what vintage(s) are best now.

Cremant de Savoie

Cremants de Bourgogne and Limoux have already been mentioned. I concur.

Ferrari Brut

non-commercial post: My friend Barry Jackson makes Equinox. Current release is 2001 LD Santa Cruz Moutains. Whew!

More soon.

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Mountain Dome was a cool project.

You'd have to like wines made more in Sekt style, but Treveri is well worth trying, as Jurgen grew up making Sekt in Trier, so they are a cleaner style vs. yeastier style. Some of their vintage dated bottles are really compelling like the 2011, but they are still a young company so age is a function of founding date. All wines are Methode Champenoise.

Agree on Korbel Natural too. Gruet is all America appellation now from Precept.

Schramsberg and Domaine Carneros have some compelling bottlings too.
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#27 Post by Geoff F. » June 27th, 2020, 8:44 pm

2014 Sandhi Blanc de Blancs is in my top-5 most memorable sparkling wines over the last year. The matchstick note and the increase in quality with air and temperature reminded me of a PYCM or Walter Scott chard, but with bubbles. Super addictive.

NV Roederer Estate Brut - when we see the splits for sale at Costco, we usually buy a case worth. It's just right for an apertif.
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#28 Post by B. Buzzini » June 27th, 2020, 8:53 pm

Schramsberg
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#29 Post by Ken B r o w n » June 27th, 2020, 11:06 pm

No Moscato d'Asti fans? Arguably the best value in bubbles at $20 or less if you don't mind the sweeter side of the frizzante spectrum. My favorite producers:

Chiarlo
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#30 Post by IlkkaL » June 29th, 2020, 1:07 am

Jean-Paul Brun's Charme Blanc de Blancs is excellent value alternative to BdB Champagne
Franck Peillot Vin du Bugey-Montagnieu Pétillant Brut is not that easy to find but if you do better to buy by the case (at least at its normal <15 € pricing)
Extra Brut/Brut Nature Franciacorta often is very pleasant and of high quality but of course the value is not always great and I have yet to try anything that could compete with my favorite grower Champagnes (Egly, Bereche, Chartogne single vineyards etc)
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#31 Post by Mikko R » June 29th, 2020, 2:34 am

I'm really amazed that there isn't more Cavas on the list. Recaredo and Gramona both produce high level sparkling, but also I have enjoyed a lot bottlings from Juvé y Camps, Agustí Torelló Mata and Alta Alella.
Just few weeks ago I bought also few bottles of NV Les Caves du Sieur d'Arques Crémant de Limoux Aimery 1531 Cremant Brut from Languedoc as an easy-going every day bubbles. I think the QPR is fantastic with this one.
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#32 Post by Blake Brown » June 29th, 2020, 7:57 am

One example: NV Domaine Allimant-Laugner Crémant d'Alsace Rosé- great QPR with fresh strawberry notes galore
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#33 Post by Jay Miller » June 29th, 2020, 9:02 am

Ken B r o w n wrote:
June 27th, 2020, 11:06 pm
No Moscato d'Asti fans? Arguably the best value in bubbles at $20 or less if you don't mind the sweeter side of the frizzante spectrum. My favorite producers:

Chiarlo
La Spinetta (Rivetti)
Elio Perrone
Vignaioli di S. Stefano (Ceretto)
Vajra
I already mentioned Mongioia, I'll add Bera to the list.
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#34 Post by Jay Miller » June 29th, 2020, 9:03 am

Mike Evans wrote:
June 27th, 2020, 6:05 pm
Renardat-Fâche Vin du Bugey-Cerdon, an off-dry, relatively low alcohol rosé blend of Gamay and Poulsard that is pure liquid joy.
How did I forget this? A perennial favorite.
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#35 Post by cjsavino » June 29th, 2020, 10:00 am

We shared a bottle of 2008 Schramsberg Blanc de Noir last week on the beach in Cape May.
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#36 Post by Gabe Berk » June 29th, 2020, 10:30 am

Roederererer is very good QPR as others have mentioned.
Slightly higher price point, but good QPR is Domaine Carneros.
I also like Mumm Blanc de Blanc for $15 too when its hot and you want some bubbles in a pinch.
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#37 Post by Rich Salsano » June 29th, 2020, 10:57 am

Jay Miller wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 9:03 am
Mike Evans wrote:
June 27th, 2020, 6:05 pm
Renardat-Fâche Vin du Bugey-Cerdon, an off-dry, relatively low alcohol rosé blend of Gamay and Poulsard that is pure liquid joy.
How did I forget this? A perennial favorite.
That is a fantastic wine. For something as fruity and delicious but not sweet, my go to is Francesco Vezzelli Lambrusco di Sorbara. Amazing stuff for the money. Rose sparkling Lambrusco.
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#38 Post by Billbell » June 29th, 2020, 12:22 pm

Huet, Pinon, Chateau de Breze Cremant from Loire
Thierry Tissot Vin du Bugey Brut
Peter Lauer Riesling Brut

All food friendly and well priced.

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#39 Post by Martin Petersen » June 29th, 2020, 12:25 pm

Several rosé and red lambrusco, great food wines

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#40 Post by Dan Kravitz » June 29th, 2020, 4:30 pm

Mikko R wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 2:34 am
I'm really amazed that there isn't more Cavas on the list. Recaredo and Gramona both produce high level sparkling, but also I have enjoyed a lot bottlings from Juvé y Camps, Agustí Torelló Mata and Alta Alella.
Just few weeks ago I bought also few bottles of NV Les Caves du Sieur d'Arques Crémant de Limoux Aimery 1531 Cremant Brut from Languedoc as an easy-going every day bubbles. I think the QPR is fantastic with this one.
I like Juve y Camps but nowhere near as much as Torello. Most of the best Cavas I've had have been from them. Have not tried Alta Alella, but will look for it.

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#41 Post by etomasi » June 29th, 2020, 7:19 pm

Many cases of this through the years. I stocked up in anticipation of potential 100% tariffs.

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