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Re: Most bottles of a single wine from one vintage in your cellar

#51 Post by D@ve D y r 0 f f » June 3rd, 2020, 11:22 am

Like some others have already said, I'm much more a diversity guy than a specialist guy (and don't have the wine budget or storage space to be both a diversity guy and a "buy by the case" guy), both in wanting many different vintages of the wines I love and wanting to have lots of different wines rather than just a few but in larger quantity. While accumulating my cellar I very rarely bought more than 3 of anything, and I never bought more than six except under special circumstances (killer deal on a case, or I bought some and then a killer deal came along so I bought some more, etc. - possibly even the dreaded "I didn't realize I already bought some of this and I just bought more"). Now that my cellar is at (over) max capacity, those purchasing numbers will go down and I'll likely stick mostly to 1-2 as I now try to buy quantities that are less than or equal to the quantities I'm drinking.

(All of the above excludes "daily drinkers," which I inventory more by eyeball than by tracking individual bottles and will occasionally buy a case of something).

Glancing through the "good stuff" I do inventory, it looks like I have either 8 or 9 of these top three, all because of special deal circumstances -

2010 Beaucastel
2013 Vajra Bricco della Viole
2015 Champet "La Vialliere"
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#52 Post by Paul McCourt » June 3rd, 2020, 11:37 am

3 cases of 2005 Larcis Ducasse.

The most I’ve ever had was a whole bunch of cases of 2005 Huet Le Mont. I went crazy buying it but sold most of it off over time.
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#53 Post by scamhi » June 3rd, 2020, 11:41 am

about 28 bottles of 1998 Soldera Brunello (normale)
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#54 Post by Brandon R » June 3rd, 2020, 11:47 am

Five.

I have five bottles of 2016 Walter Scott X-Novo Chard, and four bottles of several wines: CT Barrel Project SJR Vineyard Syrah and DuBrul Vineyard Cab (2014), 2016 William & Mary Cab Shifflett Ranch, and three of a whole bunch of wines.
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#55 Post by Patrick Stella » June 3rd, 2020, 11:49 am

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Definitely 2008 Dom perignon (not sure how much but 15-20 cases), followed by 2008 Cristal and Krug 168, both > 10 cases.

For still wines 17 PYCM BB and 17 HN BR which are our house white and red, respectively.
Hey Michael, just curious--do you think of a case here as a 6 pack or a 12 pack? Either way, I agree young champagnes are good to stock up on.

I have a similar composition: generally 08s, 06s, 04s, and 02s of various champagnes and their rose counterparts are all bouncing around between 36 and 120 bottles. On the slightly older side, 96 Taittinger cdc blanc looks surprisingly well stocked at 81 bottles and 7 mags, and 96 dp rose at 68 bottles and 12 mags

For non champagne, 90 Cheval seems to be my biggest holding at 35 bottles

For spirits, 23 bottles of Tesseron Lot 29, which I hope will really age nicely in bottle followed by a motley mixed case of various 1811s. Not the same bottlings though.
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That’s a nice selection of older vintages. I haven’t been around as long so don’t have so good of holdings in older vintages. I have a few cases of 164 as well including 12 mags, but that’s mostly it. I only have probably 3-6 bottles of the other older vintages.
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That's a hefty chunk of Dom.

How do you distribute between bottle size? Stick to bottles? Focus on mags? I always go back and forth on it. I always find the mag premium on champagnes to be just high enough to be a little annoying...but then down the line I wish I had sucked it up and bought mags. But then I don't find as many occasions for mags either.
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#56 Post by Jerry Hey » June 3rd, 2020, 11:51 am

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similar thread years ago got the mic drop when Rosania said he had 500 cases of 96 Salon, admittedly 6 bottle cases, but geez . . . 3000 bottles, at that time about $200/b, now close to $1000/b.
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#57 Post by Yao C » June 3rd, 2020, 11:51 am

My max is 4, but then I only have a little over 400 bottles collected over a period of 5 years. 2016 Alpha Omega Era, 2002 Pierre Peters Chetillons, and 2018 Ganevat La Bubulle à Jeannot
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It is incorrect to assume that either one likes variety, or one buys wine in quantity. That may of course be true for any given individual, with his or her particular constraints. But it isn't at all true in the general sense, or when you turn it around, as in "you must not like variety because you buy cases of one wine." I love variety.

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Your point is certainly correct. It is also true, I would suspect for the vast majority of wine drinkers, that budget constraints force trade-offs between buying wines in quantity and buying a wide sample of wines. This is true for me, and it sounds like it's true for you. One of the things we're doing here is getting a sense of the tradeoffs that people have made in the past, as shown by their cellar composition. You're at a point on the continuum that is different from where I am, and that's fine. I don't think anyone is making assumptions about your tastes or casting aspersions as a result...
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#58 Post by dsimmons » June 3rd, 2020, 11:52 am

I rarely buy more than three of anything these days but carry overs from years gone by includes 10 bottles each of 2008 Quilceda Creek Estate Cab and 2005 Cos d'Estournel.
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#59 Post by Vinod S. » June 3rd, 2020, 12:10 pm

Interesting question. In the UK most purchases are 6 or 12 bottle cases. I seem to have 18 bottles of:
-2015 Pichon Lalande
-2008 Vilmart Coeur de Cuvée
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#60 Post by AD Northup » June 3rd, 2020, 12:19 pm

8 here, 2015 Roses de Jeanne Le Presle
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#61 Post by Marshall Manning » June 3rd, 2020, 12:38 pm

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Thank you for mentioning this, Marshall. It's the silent point in the background every time the breadth versus depth question comes up, one I've been hesitant to point out myself. So deep breath.....

It is incorrect to assume that either one likes variety, or one buys wine in quantity. That may of course be true for any given individual, with his or her particular constraints. But it isn't at all true in the general sense, or when you turn it around, as in "you must not like variety because you buy cases of one wine." I love variety. Several who have read my recent bi-monthly notes posts have commented on the diversity of what I drink. I also prefer to buy wines I like in quantity. One doesn't preclude the other. I acknowledge, though, that my ability to have both breadth and depth is predicated on the fact that I'm lucky to have plenty of space, and some disposable income - we're not wealthy, but we are approaching 50, have no dependents, have invested conservatively, have two incomes (until recently, grrr....), are both wine collectors, and have only one or two other hobbies. It's much easier to have both diversity and buy in cases when your cellar is 1000 than when it is 100. With every step up in magnitude, this becomes more and more true. Very few of us can pull a Rosania.

I'm always uncomfortable and squeamish about talking cellar size, I keep my CT private etc. I got really angry with a colleague who came to my house for a party, took a video in my cellar, and then shared it around the office. But I also want to correct the notion I have limited tastes, or don't enjoy diversity or variety, just because I am a case purchaser much of the time. I don't sit around drinking the same 5 or 6 wines every month. Take Egly rose, for instance - I posted above that it's my largest holding. We drank 6 bottles of it last year, and only 1 so far in 2020, and we drink pretty much daily.
I'm one who appreciates the variety in your notes, Sarah. I'm guessing that you try a variety of different wines, and then put away a case of those that you really love, and then try those over time while mixing in other cellar treasures and new releases. Like you, I've been doing this awhile, so I've built up experience with a lot of wines, and for wines that need age I usually just buy in 3-4 bottles lots and then put them away until I think they might be close. As an example, I know that young Produttori SV Barbarescos are going to be pretty tannic and not offer the complexity that I like when they are aged properly. So, while it would be nice to buy a case of each in the vintages I like, my budget simply won't allow that, so I buy a few bottles from a couple of vineyards and just leave them alone until they are 15 years old or more. I know they aren't going to be over the hill by then, so I save them until I think they might be close to peak. For those who have the option to buy large quantities, more power to them. Even if I were able to buy large quantities of Champagne though, I'd still probably buy a case each of 12 different grower Champagnes that I love as opposed to 12 cases of one wine. But that's just my way. champagne.gif
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#62 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » June 3rd, 2020, 12:58 pm

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Hey Michael, just curious--do you think of a case here as a 6 pack or a 12 pack? Either way, I agree young champagnes are good to stock up on.

I have a similar composition: generally 08s, 06s, 04s, and 02s of various champagnes and their rose counterparts are all bouncing around between 36 and 120 bottles. On the slightly older side, 96 Taittinger cdc blanc looks surprisingly well stocked at 81 bottles and 7 mags, and 96 dp rose at 68 bottles and 12 mags

For non champagne, 90 Cheval seems to be my biggest holding at 35 bottles

For spirits, 23 bottles of Tesseron Lot 29, which I hope will really age nicely in bottle followed by a motley mixed case of various 1811s. Not the same bottlings though.
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That’s a nice selection of older vintages. I haven’t been around as long so don’t have so good of holdings in older vintages. I have a few cases of 164 as well including 12 mags, but that’s mostly it. I only have probably 3-6 bottles of the other older vintages.
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That's a hefty chunk of Dom.

How do you distribute between bottle size? Stick to bottles? Focus on mags? I always go back and forth on it. I always find the mag premium on champagnes to be just high enough to be a little annoying...but then down the line I wish I had sucked it up and bought mags. But then I don't find as many occasions for mags either.
I have about 6 mags and the rest 750.

The only wine I have a lot of mags is Krug 164.

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#63 Post by Paul R. » June 3rd, 2020, 1:06 pm

I buy five cases of year of Tempier, two of the classique, one mix of the special cuvees, and two of the rose.
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#64 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » June 3rd, 2020, 1:22 pm

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This is me too. My wine interests/tastes are far too varied to commit to significant quantities of one wine. I typically buy 2-3 bottles of a wine, and if it's something I really love, I might buy 4-8 bottles (or even a case on very rare occasions where I find a truly great wine for a price I can't pass up).

I probably do have a full case quantity a handful of wines (3-4) purchased over the years, with most of the rest being in the 2-4 bottles/wine range.
Same here, John. I generally buy 3-6 bottles depending on price. I like variety, so wouldn't want multiple cases of most wines, but I guess if you have enough money to where 15 cases of a particular wine still leaves with you enough to buy other wines then it's not a problem [cheers.gif] .
Storage is an issue, certainly, but cost-wise, one could argue the 08 champagnes are among the best values out there for their stature in the pantheon of wine relative to cost. A bottle of RC from a good vintage costs as much as 15 cases of 08 Dom found at a good price.

I’m lucky enough to live in a nicely sized house with a nice sized basement that has a large room that was relatively easy to cool to cellar temp. Certainly I couldn’t have easily had a cellar this size back in Los Angeles.

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#65 Post by Jay Miller » June 3rd, 2020, 1:30 pm

10 bottles of 2006 Taittinger Comte de Champagne. Trying not to open any more for at least a few years.
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#66 Post by Craig G » June 3rd, 2020, 1:30 pm

NickRut wrote:
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similar thread years ago got the mic drop when Rosania said he had 500 cases of 96 Salon, admittedly 6 bottle cases, but geez . . . 3000 bottles, at that time about $200/b, now close to $1000/b.

Could drink a bottle a day for like 8 years. What a life.
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#67 Post by Greg K » June 3rd, 2020, 1:37 pm

Jay Miller wrote:
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10 bottles of 2006 Taittinger Comte de Champagne. Trying not to open any more for at least a few years.
At 11, this is close to the top for me actually. All in storage at the moment. I have a few cases of 2005 Bordeaux, and a couple cases of 2016 northern Rhône bottlings ahead of it.
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#68 Post by Neal.Mollen » June 3rd, 2020, 1:38 pm

This topic always exposes an interesting dichotomy. Count me among the pikers: I can't remember buying a full case of a wine, although I am sure I have in the dim dark past. I suppose there is no "wrong answer."

Also, although I could get pounced on for saying so, I am not a "variety guy." I am old, pretty set in my ways on most things, and know what I like. It isn't that I am incurious or won't try "new things" when offered, but when out to spend my limited resources to stock the cellar, I buy things I know like, or am reasonably sure I will like. I never, ever, think "goodness, I haven't any gewurztraminer or gruner and aren't I the less for it. I shall diversify."

This is absolutely the only right way to do it. If your name is Neal Mollen.

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#69 Post by brodie thomson » June 3rd, 2020, 1:59 pm

I mostly buy in 3s and 4s. Too many wines, too old, don't drink enough blah blah blah.... I do have a decent number of wines that I bought by the 6 pack as well.

In 2013 I bought 12 bottle cases of both the 2004 and the 2007 B Giacosa Falletto Barolo for US$85 at auction. Have 10 bottles left of the 2004 and the full 12 bottle case of the 2007.

So the 2007 Giacosa Falletto Barolo at 12 bottles is the most of any single wine in my cellar.

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#70 Post by Howard Cooper » June 3rd, 2020, 2:02 pm

It is rare that I buy a case of a single wine. Even when I buy a case from a producer in a year, given that most of my purchases are Burgundies and German wines, I generally buy a mixed case of different wines. My last two full cases of any wines purchased were Truchot 2005 Bourgogne Rouge and Truchot 2006 MSD Les Sorbes.

Other wines I have more that six of are 2015 Von Schubert Maximin Grünhäuser Abtsberg Spätlese and 2001 Domaine Rossignol Trapet Latricières-Chambertin.

I am down to six bottles of 2006 Taittinger Champagne Comtes de Champagne. I will have to rectify this.
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#71 Post by Brian S t o t t e r » June 3rd, 2020, 2:07 pm

If I may ask those people who buy a case or more of a single bottle and vintage:

1. How big is your total collection?
2. What percentage of your total collection is made up of 6-12+ bottle quantities of a single wine from one vintage (not a single wine across multiple vintages)?
3. Did you try before you buy?
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#72 Post by Joshua Kates » June 3rd, 2020, 2:22 pm

Interesting thread; I don't usually buy much quantity either, 2-4 bottles of anything is the norm. I have 6 or so of some '05 Bordeaux (not especially sexy, Lagrange and Boyd-Cantenac) and also 6 of 2016 PLL. I tend to have @6 of Billecart-Salmon Rose and various Ulysse Collins champers at any time. Oddly, perhaps, I own the most burgundy, red and white, but have the fewest multiples there (though a decent number of verticals). Finally, some berserker specials, Patty Greene and others, have hit 12, though now down.
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#73 Post by AndrewH » June 3rd, 2020, 2:24 pm

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
June 3rd, 2020, 1:22 pm
Marshall Manning wrote:
June 3rd, 2020, 10:37 am
John Kight wrote:
June 3rd, 2020, 8:56 am
This is me too. My wine interests/tastes are far too varied to commit to significant quantities of one wine. I typically buy 2-3 bottles of a wine, and if it's something I really love, I might buy 4-8 bottles (or even a case on very rare occasions where I find a truly great wine for a price I can't pass up).

I probably do have a full case quantity a handful of wines (3-4) purchased over the years, with most of the rest being in the 2-4 bottles/wine range.
Same here, John. I generally buy 3-6 bottles depending on price. I like variety, so wouldn't want multiple cases of most wines, but I guess if you have enough money to where 15 cases of a particular wine still leaves with you enough to buy other wines then it's not a problem [cheers.gif] .
Storage is an issue, certainly, but cost-wise, one could argue the 08 champagnes are among the best values out there for their stature in the pantheon of wine relative to cost. A bottle of RC from a good vintage costs as much as 15 cases of 08 Dom found at a good price.

I’m lucky enough to live in a nicely sized house with a nice sized basement that has a large room that was relatively easy to cool to cellar temp. Certainly I couldn’t have easily had a cellar this size back in Los Angeles.
More power to you . . . I just don't drink enough wine to justify purchases in that quantity, even if I could afford it and store it. Would I love to drink a bottle of 2008 Dom each month for the next 20 years? Sure!

My answer - 22, which is an aberration because my uncle left me a lot of one wine when he died. After that it's 10. I doubt I'll get that high with any wines going forward unless my consumption patterns change.
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#74 Post by Victor Hong » June 3rd, 2020, 2:28 pm

Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
June 3rd, 2020, 2:07 pm
If I may ask those people who buy a case or more of a single bottle and vintage:

1. How big is your total collection?
2. What percentage of your total collection is made up of 6-12+ bottle quantities of a single wine from one vintage (not a single wine across multiple vintages)?
3. Did you try before you buy?
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#75 Post by D@ve D y r 0 f f » June 3rd, 2020, 2:42 pm

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Also, although I could get pounced on for saying so, I am not a "variety guy." ... I never, ever, think "goodness, I haven't any gewurztraminer or gruner and aren't I the less for it. I shall diversify."
Speaking only for myself, I don't use "variety guy" to mean "I need to own wines I don't like just so I have more variety." I use it to mean "I like many different wine types, and I'd like to have a nice stash of each in the cellar, and within most of those types there are plenty of producers I like, and I'd like to have bottles from a nice variety of those producers, and I'd like to have them across many vintages." Maybe the problem is that I like too many different wines! [wink.gif]

What it really comes down to is when I have the money and space to buy a case of wine, I would rather buy three bottles each of four different wines/vintages I like, or even two each of six, than buy 12 bottles of one wine I like. Either way, I will end up with 12 bottles of wine I like, which is priority 1, but I like the variety as a strong priority 2. Buying wines I don't like is not one of the options. (It's not dissimilar to food - perhaps some would eat pizza, or steak, or fried chicken, or salmon, or whatever, every night - or just rotate between two - but I'd rather eat all sorts of different food, but still avoid food I don't like).

That being said, I'm like you in that I've been at this long enough to know that I don't want to cellar many types of wine, and as such, my cellar has zero (or close to it) bottles of non-Burgundy pinot, whites made from sauvignon blanc, Veneto, Loire reds, Priorat, Alsace, and anything from Austria, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Chile, Argentina, Oregon (except a few chards and syrah), and Washington.

On the other hand, I nonetheless call myself a "variety guy" because that still leaves a whole bunch of different categories I do like and I do cellar - Bdx, Burg, N. Rhône, S. Rhône, Bandol, Tuscany, Piedmont, Taurasi, Rioja, Bierzo/Ribeira Sacra, Cali. cab and zin (and a little syrah), Musar red, Loire chenin, Chablis, Germany, Port, and stickies from the Loire and Bdx. Most of those categories were not on the list when I started down this long and winding road, and they got added because I came to like them (some many years ago, some in the last few years), but of course the older I get the less this list is likely to change. But when I very first started, it was Bdx and Cali. cab and that was it, and I'm very glad that is no longer the case.

But of course all of this is a personal preference. I'm in one tasting group where I'm the youngest person (and by several years), which is of itself a marvel. But there is no question in my mind that all of the other members have larger cellars than I do, yet each with less variety. One of them is probably 60% white Burg, 30% red Burg, and 10% Madeira, with nothing else. One was, for a long time, nothing but red Bordeaux and German Riesling, though he's added some Cali cab and Italian reds more recently. Another is almost all red Bordeaux, Cali Cab, and Cali chard. As such, they probably have half-cases and full cases of all sorts of different wines, something I just can't do with my budget, space, and love of so many different types of wine.

Which of us has the wrong approach? As you say, none of us has the wrong approach - for us. But being a "variety guy" doesn't mean cellaring wines one doesn't like.
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#76 Post by D@ve D y r 0 f f » June 3rd, 2020, 2:57 pm

Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
June 3rd, 2020, 2:07 pm
If I may ask those people who buy a case or more of a single bottle and vintage:

1. How big is your total collection?
2. What percentage of your total collection is made up of 6-12+ bottle quantities of a single wine from one vintage (not a single wine across multiple vintages)?
3. Did you try before you buy?
I am mostly not in the demographic you're targeting, as previously mentioned, but since I have done this a few times, and I think it's interesting -

My first hard case purchase was a real splurge when I was just starting out on this journey. My LWS gave (and still does - same shop, too) 10% off on mixed cases. My MO then was to buy a case of wine - 11 bottles with a max price of $5 each (which has risen over time of course) and 1 bottle of maybe $25. I would put the expensive one in a cardboard case under the stairs in the basement to age, and drink the other 11 over time with dinner (opening 2-3 per week for budgetary reasons). When the 11 ran out, I'd go back and do it again. That was about all I could afford toward accumulating a cellar and I figured I'd get to where I had maybe 30-40 "good" bottles and then I could open one or two a year and they would have 15-20 years of age on them, and that would be the "splurge" end of the hobby. My, how things change.

Anyway, one day the new Wine Spectator arrived and the 1991 Hess Collection cab was rated 92 or 93 or some such, and it was something like $18 on the shelf. Since the rating was gospel (again, my how things change), I begged and pleaded with my wife, got her reluctant consent, and spent the $200 or so on a single case of a single wine. I was such a baller. Back to your question, at that time, that probably doubled the size of my collection of "good stuff under the stairs" and I did not try before I bought, because I had Laube's assurance and what else did I need? As it turned, out, that was a great purchase and those bottles were all delicious, over quite a number of years. All gone now, of course.

After that, I probably didn't buy a hard case for quite a number of years. Since then, I've done it maybe 2-3 times on "cellar" wines to get a deal (including the Champet and Vajra wines that were in my earlier answer as two of the three wines I own the most of). With both of those, they are a small part of my collection and I had tried the wine before in other vintages, but not in that vintage. I've also done it maybe 2-3 times with daily drinkers - once on the 2014 Grand Nicolet Cotes du Rhône which I bought, drank, loved, and went back and bought a case - and a couple of times to get a larger than normal hard case discount on a St. Joseph I had not tried, but trusted the seller. Again, these are a small part of my daily drinkers.

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#77 Post by Sarah Kirschbaum » June 3rd, 2020, 3:12 pm

Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
June 3rd, 2020, 2:07 pm
If I may ask those people who buy a case or more of a single bottle and vintage:

1. How big is your total collection?
2. What percentage of your total collection is made up of 6-12+ bottle quantities of a single wine from one vintage (not a single wine across multiple vintages)?
3. Did you try before you buy?
I've already said I'm not comfortable with those kinds of questions or that information, so I won't answer #1, but I will say that about 2/3 of my cellar by volume is 6 bottles or more of a single wine from a single vintage.

As to #3, these days, I don't taste much before buying, but that's because I don't buy many wines I don't already know well after years and years of drinking and buying them. Sure, there are times I have something at a friend's house or a restaurant that I love, and then I go out and buy some. In general, though, I no longer go to trade events or barrel taste, because I don't really need to. I don't need to taste every vintage of Keller GGs - I know I want them every vintage. I don't need to taste every year's Brana rose, or Produttori Barbaresco, or Emrich-Schonleber Halenberg, or Cavalotto San Giuseppe (when I was still buying young Barolo). I might buy more in vintages that promise to be to my taste, based on vintage characteristics and what I read from the winemakers and tasters I trust. I almost never buy a totally unknown wine anymore. On some rare occasions, I might buy a case of something solely on the recommendation of someone I trust, and I have rarely been steered wrong. Perhaps this means I misjudge here and there, and end up with more or less than turns out to be ideal, but that can happen even if you taste every wine before you buy it. My hit rate is pretty high. There's very little in the cellar I don't like, except the stuff that is for Jonathan to drink when I'm not around because he *does* like it.
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#78 Post by M. Meer » June 3rd, 2020, 3:38 pm

~36 bottles each of Marsannay, Chambolle, and NV Champagne, and I have consumed quite a bit. The price and availability were there, so I kept going back. It helped to up the quality of my everyday wine, and that's kind of where I'm at buying strategy-wise. Very few trophies nowadays.
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#79 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » June 3rd, 2020, 3:43 pm

Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
June 3rd, 2020, 2:07 pm
If I may ask those people who buy a case or more of a single bottle and vintage:

1. How big is your total collection?
2. What percentage of your total collection is made up of 6-12+ bottle quantities of a single wine from one vintage (not a single wine across multiple vintages)?
3. Did you try before you buy?
1. Who knows, >5k bottles, not really sure how much more. I have a couple hundred cases to enter into CT.

2. <10%

3. Yes

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#80 Post by JLee » June 3rd, 2020, 3:49 pm

I buy a case fairly frequently of wines that I consider to be good values. Pepiere Briods, Lumpp 1er Crus, Vilmart Rubis NV, German rieslings etc. I like variety but if the value is compelling I try to jump on it. I wouldn't buy them if I thought they'd be on the downslope within 5 years though.

Less than 20% of my wines are in 6+ quantities. I don't always try the specific vintages before I buy but I'm usually familiar with the wine in general.
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#81 Post by Thomas Keim » June 3rd, 2020, 4:09 pm

The only thing I purchase by the solid case anymore is Prosecco - we love the Adami Prosecco and usually have a good amount laying around -
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#82 Post by Brian Glas » June 3rd, 2020, 5:20 pm

Back in the early 2000s Wine Exchange was selling the 1996 Lanessan at $13 a bottle. I was in for 3 cases.

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#83 Post by D@ve D y r 0 f f » June 3rd, 2020, 5:58 pm

Brian G's story about the Winex deal reminds me of one other early hard case purchase I had forgotten about and omitted from my earlier response to Brian S. Sometime in the mid-'90s (I think), a retailer in SoCal (Northridge wines?) offered a great price on a Library release of the 1987 Quail Ridge cabernet. I don't remember the price, but it was something that would have been a great deal in mid-'90s dollars, so maybe it was $10 or so? I certainly didn't try it first, nor had I tried anything from the producer before, and I can't remember if I bought just based on the newsletter (the kind that used to come in the US mail, and then you'd have to call the store on the phone) or if it was also based on board chatter (there was plenty of board chatter, I just don't remember if it was before or after I bought - this would have been either the original WS boards or the WCWN boards for me at the time). Either way, I and many other board winos were in for a case and again it was a phenomenal buy. I drank 11 of them over a reasonable number of years and then decided to save the last bottle for extended aging and drink it at 20 or 25. I can't remember which, but obviously that would have been 2007 or 2012. Either way, even that last bottle was delicious.

I even took one to an offline of high-end cabs (as a second bottle alongside my actual high-end contribution) and served it blind. No one picked it as an "everyday" priced wine, and when they asked what letter it started with as a hint, Quilceda Creek was the guess (not that there are all that many Qs out there, but still - the notion that this was a plausible guess...)

Good times. I haven't made many hard case purchases, but I seem to have been very fortunate with the ones I have made.

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#84 Post by J B a s k a m » June 3rd, 2020, 6:05 pm

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#85 Post by Mike Hawkins » June 3rd, 2020, 6:41 pm

12 cases 2004 Taittinger CDC
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#86 Post by Dave McIsaac » June 3rd, 2020, 6:42 pm

On BDXI, I bought 3 cases of 750s and 1 case of 375s of Virage 2016 Rose, to back up a couple I had left from the prior year.

Just love this stuff, and have polished off over a 1/2 case since then.
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#87 Post by Rob_S » June 3rd, 2020, 6:58 pm

I usually buy 2-3 bottles of a given wine and rarely go over 4. Only have 10 separate wines where I have more than 5 of them. I have 7 bottles of 2005 pontet canet which is currently my highest count.
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#88 Post by Markus S » June 3rd, 2020, 7:18 pm

D@ve D y r 0 f f wrote:
June 3rd, 2020, 11:22 am
...all because of special deal circumstances -
I find those 'special circumstances' to be getting rarer and rarer. Besides a good wine at a good price, don't see the reason to stock up on 1 particular wine since there are always new vintages coming out and, if you really enjoy following a winery, those vintage variations are more interesting than having an only child.
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#89 Post by Brian S t o t t e r » June 3rd, 2020, 7:32 pm

Markus S wrote:
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D@ve D y r 0 f f wrote:
June 3rd, 2020, 11:22 am
...all because of special deal circumstances -
I find those 'special circumstances' to be getting rarer and rarer. Besides a good wine at a good price, don't see the reason to stock up on 1 particular wine since there are always new vintages coming out and, if you really enjoy following a winery, those vintage variations are more interesting than having an only child.
They may be rare, but sometimes you want to follow a specific wine's development over a longer stretch of time when there's sentiment behind the specific vintage. For example, I have 6 bottles of 2015 Joh Jos Prum Wehlener Sonnenuhr Auslese (kicking myself for not buying cases of kabi), the year of our wedding anniversary, for us to follow its evolution over time.
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#90 Post by Mike Evans » June 3rd, 2020, 7:34 pm

The only wines I’ve ever bought more than a case of are 2013 Patricia Green Berserker Cuvée (2 cases), 2014 Clos Roche Blanche Pif (15 bottles), and Vilmart Cuvée Rubis NV (19 bottles of assorted disgorgements). I’ve bought a case of a handful or so of other wines. My preferences are sufficiently broad, though, that I have trouble getting through my normal 3-4 bottle purchases and would be in even more trouble if I bought higher quantities of any given wine.

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#91 Post by Leonard A Mauney » June 3rd, 2020, 7:39 pm

2010 Dalla Valle. Got six left.

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#92 Post by Rich Brown » June 3rd, 2020, 7:51 pm

William Kelley wrote:
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the next Dom release is 2012, I believe
In fact, it is the 2010, which is being launched this year. I already reviewed it!
Oh nice! Sons birthyear so I've stocked up on reds/whites but was under the impression it was a pretty rough year in Champagne and wasn't expecting many of the houses to designate the vintage. Definitely not asking for your full review, but in general, did you like it?

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#93 Post by Keith Levenberg » June 3rd, 2020, 7:53 pm

34 bottles left of 2014 CRB Pif, followed by 17x 2000 Leoville Barton, everything else is a case or less.

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#94 Post by Andrew K. » June 3rd, 2020, 8:07 pm

08 Dom.

Also have 3 cases of 2015 MM Pernand Vergelesses on the way.
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#95 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » June 3rd, 2020, 8:12 pm

I don’t have many still wines that I have more than a case of.

I think it’s something I do more with champagne.

Off the top of my head beyond Bourgogne level there’s only:

2015 Drouhin Laroze Beze
2015-2017 Ramonet Clos de la Boudriotte Rouge
2015-2017 Ramonet Clos St Jean Rouge
2015 Rossignol Chevret
2015-2018 Clerget Versueil
2016-2017 PYCM Chassagne VV
2016 Angerville Ducs
2015-2017 Lumpp A Vigne

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#96 Post by Craig G » June 3rd, 2020, 8:25 pm

I have 15 bottles of 2013 Patty Green Berserker Cuvee PN. Then 13 of 2014 La Conseillante, though 7 of those are half bottles (don’t normally buy halves but there were some locally so I cleaned them out). 10 bottles of Bollinger Special Cuvee and I’m contemplating another case as I want to keep a rotation of it with some age.

I once had three cases of a Christoffel Kabinett. Then my wife did an intervention and explained that she really didn’t like Riesling.

Most of what I buy is in quantities of 3-6, or 1 for new tastes.
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#97 Post by maureen nelson » June 3rd, 2020, 8:32 pm

I usually buy in 3s and 4s too but it seems I have a half dozen of about 25 different wines, from 2006 Comtes to 2010 Gerard Mugneret Boudots to 2008 Huet Le Mont DS.

I have (well have paid for) a couple of cases of 2018 VDP auction kabinetts (Clemens Busch and Von Schubert) but they are really for my grand niece. Oh, 11 bottles of 2001 Climens but some are half bottles.

If the question were instead which single wine have you bought the most of the answer would be 1990 CFE VT. I bought 40 bottles of that wine. None left 😭

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#98 Post by Charles Weiss » June 3rd, 2020, 8:42 pm

With the exception of the Prum, the only reason for the quantity was an "opportunity buy."
The Clape, Briords, and Huet have all been drunk down some.

2007 Bruno Giacosa Barolo Falletto di Serralunga d'Alba. 24
2015 Joh. Jos. Prüm Wehlener Sonnenuhr Riesling Kabinett. 13
2006 Domaine Auguste Clape Cornas. 12
2009 Domaine de la Pépière (Marc Ollivier) Muscadet de Sèvre-et-Maine Sur Lie Vieilles Vignes Clos des Briords. 11
2002 Domaine Huet Vouvray Demi-Sec Le Mont. 10

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#99 Post by RyanC » June 3rd, 2020, 8:51 pm

I nearly always buy in 3-6 btl increments, but I do have ~20 btls each of 07 Climens (375s) and Krug 164 (mixture 750s and mags). Nothing else above 12. Climens bc 07 is our anniversary. Krug 164 bc I love it young and I know I’ll love it at middle age and love it old.
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#100 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » June 3rd, 2020, 8:55 pm

I have one full case of a single wine, 2016 Château Fonplégade. I don’t even know if I’ll like the wine, but it was highly rated and cheap. Not necessarily representative of the wines we typically drink.

For others, mostly 2-3 bottles up to 6 or more if it’s a wine I know we’ll enjoy that’s fairly priced, like NV champagne. We have 1,066 bottles made up of 453 different wines, so averaging 2.4 bottles each.

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