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#201 Post by James Billy » September 14th, 2020, 2:32 am

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#202 Post by Robert Dentice » September 14th, 2020, 3:31 am

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Big GG 2019-Arrivage tasting tonight. Stay tuned......and with some surprises. Fasten-your-seatbelts.


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#203 Post by Robert Dentice » September 14th, 2020, 3:31 am

Martin Zwick wrote:
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Big GG 2019-Arrivage tasting tonight. Stay tuned......and with some surprises. Fasten-your-seatbelts.


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Very excited for this!
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#204 Post by Russell Faulkner » September 14th, 2020, 5:00 am

First GGs got delivered here today!

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#205 Post by dvansteenderen » September 14th, 2020, 1:59 pm

This Friday the 133. Prädikatsweinversteigerung in Trier is planned, very much looking forward to tasting the wines there. There will be some GG's there like last year, but the main focus is (happily) on Kabinett and up...
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#206 Post by Robert Dentice » September 14th, 2020, 3:05 pm

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September 14th, 2020, 1:59 pm
This Friday the 133. Prädikatsweinversteigerung in Trier is planned, very much looking forward to tasting the wines there. There will be some GG's there like last year, but the main focus is (happily) on Kabinett and up...
Please report back!
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#207 Post by Martin Zwick » September 14th, 2020, 3:06 pm

Clear winner of the GG 2019 Arrival Tasting, Bürklin-Wolf and Keller.

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#208 Post by Andrew K. » September 14th, 2020, 3:14 pm

TL;DR this thread, but I did go in on 2019 Prum WS, Donnhoff, Muller and Lauer and also put in some bids at the VDP and Nahe.

Will definitely add more as they are more widely released later.
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#209 Post by Brian S t o t t e r » September 14th, 2020, 3:24 pm

Trying to explain to my wife why I want to be up at 6am to watch the livecast of the VDP Grosser auction was fun :P
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#210 Post by Andrew K. » September 14th, 2020, 3:29 pm

Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
September 14th, 2020, 3:24 pm
Trying to explain to my wife why I want to be up at 6am to watch the livecast of the VDP Grosser auction was fun :P
Ooof I missed that. And I have to tune in early because Muller is near the top. :(
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#211 Post by D@ve D y r 0 f f » September 14th, 2020, 3:30 pm

Andrew K. wrote:
September 14th, 2020, 3:29 pm
Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
September 14th, 2020, 3:24 pm
Trying to explain to my wife why I want to be up at 6am to watch the livecast of the VDP Grosser auction was fun :P
Ooof I missed that. And I have to tune in early because Muller is near the top. :(
Luckily it's 7am for you.

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#212 Post by David_K » September 14th, 2020, 4:15 pm

Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
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Trying to explain to my wife why I want to be up at 6am to watch the livecast of the VDP Grosser auction was fun :P
Seek help
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#213 Post by Brian S t o t t e r » September 14th, 2020, 4:25 pm

David_K wrote:
September 14th, 2020, 4:15 pm
Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
September 14th, 2020, 3:24 pm
Trying to explain to my wife why I want to be up at 6am to watch the livecast of the VDP Grosser auction was fun :P
Seek help
She loves German wines as well, wasn't a rough argument ;)
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#214 Post by Barry L i p t o n » September 14th, 2020, 4:46 pm

Any thoughts on Weil Kiedricher Grafenburg GG in 2019.

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#215 Post by dvansteenderen » September 16th, 2020, 11:29 am

Robert Dentice wrote:
September 14th, 2020, 3:05 pm
dvansteenderen wrote:
September 14th, 2020, 1:59 pm
This Friday the 133. Prädikatsweinversteigerung in Trier is planned, very much looking forward to tasting the wines there. There will be some GG's there like last year, but the main focus is (happily) on Kabinett and up...
Please report back!
Will do !
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#216 Post by Barry L i p t o n » September 27th, 2020, 6:59 pm

Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
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Fun timing. Spoke with Lara at Schloss Lieser recently. She loved the 2019s and said it reminded her of 2015. Harvested 40% less than 2018.
Hmm, 2015 is nothing like 2001.
Just for my education, how so?

If Lara is saying it reminds them of 2015, I may hold off buying from them this vintage.
Do folks still think 2019 is like 2015? Brian, im guessing you don’t think so.
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#217 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » September 27th, 2020, 7:00 pm

Barry L i p t o n wrote:
September 27th, 2020, 6:59 pm
Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 1:34 pm
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Hmm, 2015 is nothing like 2001.
Just for my education, how so?

If Lara is saying it reminds them of 2015, I may hold off buying from them this vintage.
Do folks still think 2019 is like 2015? Brian, im gussying you don’t think so.
Barry,

Most of the wines have not been shipped yet. We don’t know.
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#218 Post by Matt Latuchie » September 27th, 2020, 8:47 pm

I’m pretty stoked for 2019. I’m usually a paradikat guy, but am finding myself going dry a lot this vintage. No idea why. Whatever.
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#220 Post by Howard Cooper » September 28th, 2020, 6:36 am

Matt Latuchie wrote:
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I’m pretty stoked for 2019. I’m usually a paradikat guy, but am finding myself going dry a lot this vintage. No idea why. Whatever.
Is a paradikat guy one who likes to drink Prädikat level German wines like Kabinetts or Spatlesen while eating parakeets?
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#221 Post by Brian S t o t t e r » September 28th, 2020, 6:42 am

Anyone buying 2019 Peter Lauer wines? I bought some of the Kupp and Schonfels GGs, but just saw the offer from Flatiron with the rest of the line-up (not including much of the pradikats, just one auslese and the rest were dry and off-dry). The Senior, Stirn, and Unterstenberg were on my list of possible buys.
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#222 Post by A.Gillette » September 28th, 2020, 6:57 am

Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
September 28th, 2020, 6:42 am
Anyone buying 2019 Peter Lauer wines? I bought some of the Kupp and Schonfels GGs, but just saw the offer from Flatiron with the rest of the line-up (not including much of the pradikats, just one auslese and the rest were dry and off-dry). The Senior, Stirn, and Unterstenberg were on my list of possible buys.
I bought the 7, 8, 10 and 14, plus the auction kabinett, as well as the GGs. I don’t get as excited about the stirn, Unterstenberg and kern as I do the pradikat and GGs. I’m bummed there was no LGK this year, but I heard that there are TBA that I assume were held back for a future auction, and those will be can’t miss for me when they are released.
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#223 Post by Paul McCourt » September 28th, 2020, 9:11 am

Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
September 28th, 2020, 6:42 am
Anyone buying 2019 Peter Lauer wines? I bought some of the Kupp and Schonfels GGs, but just saw the offer from Flatiron with the rest of the line-up (not including much of the pradikats, just one auslese and the rest were dry and off-dry). The Senior, Stirn, and Unterstenberg were on my list of possible buys.
I bought some Seniors.
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#224 Post by Jayson Cohen » September 28th, 2020, 9:21 am

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I don’t get as excited about the stirn, Unterstenberg and kern . . . .
Is there a reason? I’m asking because I’m considering these now but have no real experience cellaring Lauer except the Senior.

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#225 Post by Howard Cooper » September 28th, 2020, 9:40 am

I bought some 2015 Lauer wines and liked them, but not as much as I like the wines of some other producers. So, unless I try some 2019s and really like them, I doubt I will buy 2019s from Lauer.
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#226 Post by Kirk.Grant » September 28th, 2020, 9:50 am

We got married in 2019...so there will be a lot across the board from Kabinett to GG
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#227 Post by A.Gillette » September 28th, 2020, 9:59 am

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I don’t get as excited about the stirn, Unterstenberg and kern . . . .
Is there a reason? I’m asking because I’m considering these now but have no real experience cellaring Lauer except the Senior.
Just personal preference. I buy a bottle here and there but don’t cellar in quantity like I do some of the others. I think the Lauer pradikat wines, particularly at the higher levels, are up there with the best, and the GGs get a little better each year (kupp sounds special this year).
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#228 Post by Ethan Abraham » September 28th, 2020, 3:33 pm

I love the stirn and unternsternberg. Although in general I like off dry in the mosel and saar better than fully dry. For some reason I haven't really enjoyed the senior since the 2010

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#229 Post by Gabe Berk » September 28th, 2020, 3:36 pm

Had a 2019 Dr. Loosen Urziger Wurtzgarten Kabinet on the weekend. Had to stop myself from drinking the whole bottle. Went well with the 102 heat outside...

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#230 Post by Sarah Kirschbaum » September 28th, 2020, 3:37 pm

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I love the stirn and unternsternberg. Although in general I like off dry in the mosel and saar better than fully dry. For some reason I haven't really enjoyed the senior since the 2010
Ethan, I am with you (there's a shock). I believe the dry wines come from outside the MSR.
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#231 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » September 28th, 2020, 4:31 pm

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September 28th, 2020, 3:33 pm
I love the stirn and unternsternberg. Although in general I like off dry in the mosel and saar better than fully dry. For some reason I haven't really enjoyed the senior since the 2010
Ethan, I am with you (there's a shock). I believe the dry wines come from outside the MSR.
Dry Mosel Riesling has often seemed like a forced fit to my taste.

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#232 Post by Jayson Cohen » September 28th, 2020, 4:43 pm

Ethan Abraham wrote:
September 28th, 2020, 3:33 pm
I love the stirn and unternsternberg. Although in general I like off dry in the mosel and saar better than fully dry. For some reason I haven't really enjoyed the senior since the 2010
I find the Senior needs a year or two in bottle to calm down and integrate. But it’s personal.

I also haven’t been able to get into most of the very dry MSR wines. Getting the 2019 Lauers with 9-13ish grams per liter this year might be a test of whether I’m becoming more tolerant of low RS MSR Riesling as I grow older.

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#233 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » September 28th, 2020, 4:53 pm

Jayson Cohen wrote:
September 28th, 2020, 4:43 pm
Ethan Abraham wrote:
September 28th, 2020, 3:33 pm
I love the stirn and unternsternberg. Although in general I like off dry in the mosel and saar better than fully dry. For some reason I haven't really enjoyed the senior since the 2010
I find the Senior needs a year or two in bottle to calm down and integrate. But it’s personal.

I also haven’t been able to get into most of the very dry MSR wines. Getting the 2019 Lauers with 9-13ish grams per liter this year might be a test of whether I’m becoming more tolerant of low RS MSR Riesling as I grow older.
Well once you get into halbtrocken range you hit a sweet spot for Mosel Riesling.
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#234 Post by DanielP » September 28th, 2020, 4:58 pm

I've had decent success with Mosel dry rieslings - Immich-Batterieberg and Clemens Busch are two that I have enjoyed. But, for whatever reason, I find better QPR with the fruity wines, even from the same producer. I imagine this is partially due to greater local demand for the top dry wines, but that's just my own theory.

I may give an Ulli Stein trocken a try just to see what the deal is
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#235 Post by Jayson Cohen » September 28th, 2020, 4:59 pm

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
September 28th, 2020, 4:53 pm
Jayson Cohen wrote:
September 28th, 2020, 4:43 pm
Ethan Abraham wrote:
September 28th, 2020, 3:33 pm
I love the stirn and unternsternberg. Although in general I like off dry in the mosel and saar better than fully dry. For some reason I haven't really enjoyed the senior since the 2010
I find the Senior needs a year or two in bottle to calm down and integrate. But it’s personal.

I also haven’t been able to get into most of the very dry MSR wines. Getting the 2019 Lauers with 9-13ish grams per liter this year might be a test of whether I’m becoming more tolerant of low RS MSR Riesling as I grow older.
Well once you get into halbtrocken range you hit a sweet spot for Mosel Riesling.
No doubt. But 9-13 g/l is on the very dry side of that for my palate. Some may call them Feinherb or Halbtrocken. but I think it’s pretty dry. Especially if acid levels are high.

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#236 Post by Ethan Abraham » September 28th, 2020, 5:03 pm

Jayson Cohen wrote:
September 28th, 2020, 4:43 pm
Ethan Abraham wrote:
September 28th, 2020, 3:33 pm
I love the stirn and unternsternberg. Although in general I like off dry in the mosel and saar better than fully dry. For some reason I haven't really enjoyed the senior since the 2010
I find the Senior needs a year or two in bottle to calm down and integrate. But it’s personal.

I also haven’t been able to get into most of the very dry MSR wines. Getting the 2019 Lauers with 9-13ish grams per liter this year might be a test of whether I’m becoming more tolerant of low RS MSR Riesling as I grow older.
Yup I'm debating on the unternsternberg this year. Stirn sounds right in my wheelhouse.

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#237 Post by eweininger » September 28th, 2020, 6:15 pm

I don’t have a ton of experience with Lauer, but count me with those who prefer the non-trocken wines. The Senior is great at its price point.
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#238 Post by Rob_S » September 28th, 2020, 8:17 pm

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September 28th, 2020, 4:43 pm
Ethan Abraham wrote:
September 28th, 2020, 3:33 pm
I love the stirn and unternsternberg. Although in general I like off dry in the mosel and saar better than fully dry. For some reason I haven't really enjoyed the senior since the 2010
I find the Senior needs a year or two in bottle to calm down and integrate. But it’s personal.

I also haven’t been able to get into most of the very dry MSR wines. Getting the 2019 Lauers with 9-13ish grams per liter this year might be a test of whether I’m becoming more tolerant of low RS MSR Riesling as I grow older.
I opened a 2015 Senior last week and after 8 hours of air it was superb. Simple on opening and a little disjointed. Great qpr and a great place on the RS scale.
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#239 Post by R. Frankel » September 29th, 2020, 12:21 am

I don’t have a ton of consistency with dry vs non-dry in the MSR. Prum, Schaefer, Falkenstein are ultra classic in Kabinett and sweeter for me. But I love Clemens Busch’s GGs. Molitor I mostly enjoy dry wines (his *** can be amazing with some age), but his sweeter wines can be very good. Nahe is most consistent for me for dry wines.
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#240 Post by A Songeur » September 29th, 2020, 3:36 am

While everybody says 2019 is a great vintage, I note that many (including MFW in tasting notes) mention many Kabinetts taste like Spatlese or Auslese from yesteryear and Spatlese like Auslese or GK Auslese or even Beerenauslese and alcohol degrees are creeping up. While this may mean "cheaper Auslese", How do these wines perform with (non desert) food?

(the 2019 will arrive later in UK for some reason so have not tasted)
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#241 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » September 29th, 2020, 4:31 am

A Songeur wrote:
September 29th, 2020, 3:36 am
While everybody says 2019 is a great vintage, I note that many (including MFW in tasting notes) mention many Kabinetts taste like Spatlese or Auslese from yesteryear and Spatlese like Auslese or GK Auslese or even Beerenauslese and alcohol degrees are creeping up. While this may mean "cheaper Auslese", How do these wines perform with (non desert) food?

(the 2019 will arrive later in UK for some reason so have not tasted)
People have been asking that exact same question since the 1990s. Just move down the pradikat scale. Open a Kabinett where you used to open Spätlese. If you find the regular versions too sweet, grab a Feinherb. Those wines are incredibly versatile.
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#242 Post by J. Rock » September 29th, 2020, 8:51 am

A Songeur wrote:
September 29th, 2020, 3:36 am
While everybody says 2019 is a great vintage, I note that many (including MFW in tasting notes) mention many Kabinetts taste like Spatlese or Auslese from yesteryear and Spatlese like Auslese or GK Auslese or even Beerenauslese and alcohol degrees are creeping up. While this may mean "cheaper Auslese", How do these wines perform with (non desert) food?

(the 2019 will arrive later in UK for some reason so have not tasted)
I think recent vintage Kabs and Spatelese work wonderfully with (non desert) food. One of my absolute favorite pairings is fried chicken with Kab or Spatelese (depending on the specific wine and how the fried chicken is prepared). I even often enjoy GKA with hot wings or curry.

It was kind of crazy for me when I realized that an '83 Zilliken GKA I had a couple months ago was harvested at the same (or maybe lower) ripeness as modern Kabs, but for me, they're all delicious and all have an appropriate food pairing.
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#243 Post by A.Gillette » September 29th, 2020, 12:15 pm

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Ethan Abraham wrote:
September 28th, 2020, 3:33 pm
I love the stirn and unternsternberg. Although in general I like off dry in the mosel and saar better than fully dry. For some reason I haven't really enjoyed the senior since the 2010
I find the Senior needs a year or two in bottle to calm down and integrate. But it’s personal.

I also haven’t been able to get into most of the very dry MSR wines. Getting the 2019 Lauers with 9-13ish grams per liter this year might be a test of whether I’m becoming more tolerant of low RS MSR Riesling as I grow older.
If by very dry you mean the GGs, then the Lauer wines are vinified in wood (as opposed to fiberglass for the off dry). Could it be the wood that doesn’t appeal to you?
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Alex

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