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Re: 2019 German Riesling

#151 Post by Adam Frisch » July 21st, 2020, 6:57 pm

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Van Volxem?
Yes. I thought I had quoted Adam’s question about VaVo, apparently not. I also have a bottle each of 2014 Gottesfuss and Kanzler Alte Reben that maybe should go on deck for this summer.
I heard rumors he prefers to make them in a bone dry style, is this correct?
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#152 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » July 22nd, 2020, 3:43 am

Adam Frisch wrote:
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Van Volxem?
Yes. I thought I had quoted Adam’s question about VaVo, apparently not. I also have a bottle each of 2014 Gottesfuss and Kanzler Alte Reben that maybe should go on deck for this summer.
I heard rumors he prefers to make them in a bone dry style, is this correct?
Not really, no. At least not in the way you are thinking.
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Re: 2019 German Riesling

#153 Post by Adam Frisch » July 22nd, 2020, 3:51 am

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Not really, no. At least not in the way you are thinking.
Thanks for heads up.
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#154 Post by Joseph MR » July 22nd, 2020, 5:55 pm

The relatively fuller body and lesser sharp, bright acids gives the Van Volxem house style more of a roundness (not sweetness) than dry Rieslings such as S-Fro Felseneck, Dönnhoff Hermannshölle, Immich—Batterieberg crus. Heck, I‘ve had off dry wines from Lauer and young Kabinetts with so much acid that despite more residual sugar, in a side by side comparison may have had a greater impression of dryness than the VaVos.
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#155 Post by Joseph MR » July 22nd, 2020, 6:01 pm

If you have ever tasted Domaine Weinbach Riesling Schlossberg from the top off the hill versus their richer cuvée
Ste. Catherine, maybe that would be a good analogy.
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#156 Post by Claus Jeppesen » July 23rd, 2020, 1:13 am

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Yes. I thought I had quoted Adam’s question about VaVo, apparently not. I also have a bottle each of 2014 Gottesfuss and Kanzler Alte Reben that maybe should go on deck for this summer.
I heard rumors he prefers to make them in a bone dry style, is this correct?
Not really, no. At least not in the way you are thinking.
I believe he changed style a couple of vintages ago from a rounded Lowenstein style to a more precise sharpened profile
2017 Van Volxem Pegentsknopp is razorlike IMO
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Re: 2019 German Riesling

#157 Post by Russell Faulkner » July 23rd, 2020, 2:27 am

No one is making wines in the style Adam seeks. He should give up.

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#158 Post by Howard Cooper » July 23rd, 2020, 4:37 am

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Count me as an acid freak as that is what I love so much about Germany. I am hearing from winemakers that it is a vintage I will love and they know how much I value acid. Only one data point so far, Laurer Barrel X, all I can say is that it was intense and had everything you could imagine in an entry-level wine. Looking forward to trying more.
Look for wines from the Saar (where Laurer is from) and the Ruwer. These tend to be cooler regions with higher acidity.
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#159 Post by Brian S t o t t e r » July 23rd, 2020, 2:00 pm

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Count me as an acid freak as that is what I love so much about Germany. I am hearing from winemakers that it is a vintage I will love and they know how much I value acid. Only one data point so far, Laurer Barrel X, all I can say is that it was intense and had everything you could imagine in an entry-level wine. Looking forward to trying more.
Look for wines from the Saar (where Laurer is from) and the Ruwer. These tend to be cooler regions with higher acidity.
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#160 Post by Joseph MR » July 23rd, 2020, 6:12 pm

The Hofgut Falkenstein wines are pretty brisk as well!
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#161 Post by Adam Frisch » July 24th, 2020, 6:29 am

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No one is making wines in the style Adam seeks. He should give up.
They seem to do them in the New World - Paetra, Grosset Polish Hill (0.9g/l RS) etc, but it seems European producers don't, basically. Maybe the odd Trimbach and outlier here and there, but in general - no.

It's perhaps an opportunity for producers - means there are so many fewer players in this category and for those that enjoy that style?
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#162 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » July 24th, 2020, 7:11 am

Adam Frisch wrote:
July 24th, 2020, 6:29 am
Russell Faulkner wrote:
July 23rd, 2020, 2:27 am
No one is making wines in the style Adam seeks. He should give up.
They seem to do them in the New World - Paetra, Grosset Polish Hill (0.9g/l RS) etc, but it seems European producers don't, basically. Maybe the odd Trimbach and outlier here and there, but in general - no.

It's perhaps an opportunity for producers - means there are so many fewer players in this category and for those that enjoy that style?
It's not a large market...at all.
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Re: 2019 German Riesling

#163 Post by Marshall Manning » July 24th, 2020, 5:35 pm

Adam Frisch wrote:
July 24th, 2020, 6:29 am
Russell Faulkner wrote:
July 23rd, 2020, 2:27 am
No one is making wines in the style Adam seeks. He should give up.
They seem to do them in the New World - Paetra, Grosset Polish Hill (0.9g/l RS) etc, but it seems European producers don't, basically. Maybe the odd Trimbach and outlier here and there, but in general - no.

It's perhaps an opportunity for producers - means there are so many fewer players in this category and for those that enjoy that style?
I'd guess a lot of the better Austrian Riesling producers are close to that level of RS, although I don't know for sure what the exact sugar readings are. A lot of them are dry, or very close to it. Try something like a basic Hirsch Zobinger and see how you like that. A '13 tasted recently was too young for my palate, but was pretty dry.
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#164 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » July 24th, 2020, 5:59 pm

I would bet that the extract and alcohol levels would come across as sweet to Adam. He’s looking for a very specific wine profile, and one that even fans of dry Riesling find extreme.
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#165 Post by maureen nelson » July 24th, 2020, 6:36 pm

Howard Cooper wrote:
July 23rd, 2020, 4:37 am
Robert Dentice wrote:
May 27th, 2020, 8:10 am
Count me as an acid freak as that is what I love so much about Germany. I am hearing from winemakers that it is a vintage I will love and they know how much I value acid. Only one data point so far, Laurer Barrel X, all I can say is that it was intense and had everything you could imagine in an entry-level wine. Looking forward to trying more.
Look for wines from the Saar (where Laurer is from) and the Ruwer. These tend to be cooler regions with higher acidity.
Surely you weren’t trying to educate Robert on German riesling?

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#166 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » July 24th, 2020, 6:44 pm

Heh...
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#167 Post by crickey » August 13th, 2020, 2:18 pm

FWIW, Stephen Reinhardt of the WA released the first part of his 2019 survey, and he thinks 2019 is a terrific vintage for both sweeties and dry wines.
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#168 Post by D@ve D y r 0 f f » August 13th, 2020, 2:52 pm

crickey wrote:
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FWIW, Stephen Reinhardt of the WA released the first part of his 2019 survey, and he thinks 2019 is a terrific vintage for both sweeties and dry wines.
And DS (Vinous) just released his report on the Middle Mosel 2018s..... [head-bang.gif]

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#169 Post by J. Rock » August 13th, 2020, 3:15 pm

crickey wrote:
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FWIW, Stephen Reinhardt of the WA released the first part of his 2019 survey, and he thinks 2019 is a terrific vintage for both sweeties and dry wines.
I subscribed for the month just to check this out. Thanks for the heads up!
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#170 Post by J. Rock » August 14th, 2020, 10:08 am

Between the MFW and WA reviews and vintage overviews, this really seems like a great and fairly special vintage. I've got some Fritz Haag, Schloss Lieser, Donnhoff, Willi Schaefer, and Zilliken on the way and I can hardly wait for these to get here so I can start tasting them.
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#171 Post by G. Curd » August 14th, 2020, 10:43 am

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Between the MFW and WA reviews and vintage overviews, this really seems like a great and fairly special vintage. I've got some Fritz Haag, Schloss Lieser, Donnhoff, Willi Schaefer, and Zilliken on the way and I can hardly wait for these to get here so I can start tasting them.
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#172 Post by Martin Zwick » August 17th, 2020, 4:11 am

"The 2019 vintage has produced some of the greatest, finest and most energetic Rieslings of the last 20 years, especially in the Mosel, Rheingau, Nahe, Rheinhessen and the northern Pfalz...The acidity is enormously vital yet perfectly ripe and refined, giving the wines precision, elegance and finesse that makes their intensity weightless and leads to an exceptional finish and thrilling tension that nourishes my hope for exceptional aging capacity. The combination of perfectly ripe, healthy, concentrated fruit with vibrant energy and finesse in 2019 is extremely rare, if not totally unique.“

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#173 Post by Howard Cooper » August 17th, 2020, 5:03 am

Martin Zwick wrote:
August 17th, 2020, 4:11 am
"The 2019 vintage has produced some of the greatest, finest and most energetic Rieslings of the last 20 years, especially in the Mosel, Rheingau, Nahe, Rheinhessen and the northern Pfalz...The acidity is enormously vital yet perfectly ripe and refined, giving the wines precision, elegance and finesse that makes their intensity weightless and leads to an exceptional finish and thrilling tension that nourishes my hope for exceptional aging capacity. The combination of perfectly ripe, healthy, concentrated fruit with vibrant energy and finesse in 2019 is extremely rare, if not totally unique.“

"However, not buying the 2019 whites would be a devastating mistake!"


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Four years ago or so I was reading pretty much the same thing about 2015s. Is Germany becoming the new Bordeaux, where every other vintage is the vintage of the century?
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#174 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » August 17th, 2020, 5:36 am

Let’s see...in the last 15 years

2005 vintage of the century
2010 vintage of the century
2012 vintage of the century
2015 vintage of the century
2019 vintage of the century

There’s no worry. Another one will come around in a couple of years.
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#175 Post by Robert Dentice » August 17th, 2020, 5:49 am

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
August 17th, 2020, 5:36 am
Let’s see...in the last 15 years

2005 vintage of the century
2010 vintage of the century
2012 vintage of the century
2015 vintage of the century
2019 vintage of the century

There’s no worry. Another one will come around in a couple of years.
Yes. And my favorite vintage 2013 was panned by many critics.
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#176 Post by DanielP » August 17th, 2020, 5:59 am

I agree that there's already another great vintage around the corner. But at the same time, how wrong can you really go by buying big in these so-called great vintages?
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#177 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » August 17th, 2020, 6:08 am

It’s not that it’s a bad idea to buy. But the breathless hype as if such an opportunity will never come again is beyond tiresome.
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#178 Post by J. Rock » August 17th, 2020, 8:51 am

I feel like I've seen people move off of the possible "vintage of the century" speculation before almost anyone tasted the wines to more of a "great and unique" vintage the presents a combination of high ripeness and high acidity that may have not been seen before. I don't know if that's actually the case, but that's the sense I've gotten from reading MSF and WA so far.

I'm sure I'll love the wines regardless of any hype and whether the wines completely live up to it.
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#179 Post by Barry L i p t o n » August 17th, 2020, 10:27 am

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
August 17th, 2020, 5:36 am
Let’s see...in the last 15 years

2005 vintage of the century
2010 vintage of the century
2012 vintage of the century
2015 vintage of the century
2019 vintage of the century

There’s no worry. Another one will come around in a couple of years.
Are these years also the strongest for GGs?

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#180 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » August 17th, 2020, 10:55 am

Barry L i p t o n wrote:
August 17th, 2020, 10:27 am
D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
August 17th, 2020, 5:36 am
Let’s see...in the last 15 years

2005 vintage of the century
2010 vintage of the century
2012 vintage of the century
2015 vintage of the century
2019 vintage of the century

There’s no worry. Another one will come around in a couple of years.
Are these years also the strongest for GGs?
Not necessarily. Depends on the style you prefer. 2010 GGs can be quite severe in my (somewhat limited) experience. 2009 and 2011 GGs are lovely, but I don't like those years (especially 2011) as much for sweeter wines.
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#181 Post by DanielP » August 17th, 2020, 11:36 am

J. Rock wrote:
August 17th, 2020, 8:51 am
I feel like I've seen people move off of the possible "vintage of the century" speculation before almost anyone tasted the wines to more of a "great and unique" vintage the presents a combination of high ripeness and high acidity that may have not been seen before. I don't know if that's actually the case, but that's the sense I've gotten from reading MSF and WA so far.

I'm sure I'll love the wines regardless of any hype and whether the wines completely live up to it.
There have been several recent vintages that should have just as high or higher ripeness/acid combinations than 2019, such as 2010 and 2015
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#182 Post by Barry L i p t o n » August 17th, 2020, 12:23 pm

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
August 17th, 2020, 10:55 am
Barry L i p t o n wrote:
August 17th, 2020, 10:27 am
D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
August 17th, 2020, 5:36 am
Let’s see...in the last 15 years

2005 vintage of the century
2010 vintage of the century
2012 vintage of the century
2015 vintage of the century
2019 vintage of the century

There’s no worry. Another one will come around in a couple of years.
Are these years also the strongest for GGs?
Not necessarily. Depends on the style you prefer. 2010 GGs can be quite severe in my (somewhat limited) experience. 2009 and 2011 GGs are lovely, but I don't like those years (especially 2011) as much for sweeter wines.
Thanks. I have all the wine I need except dry German wines, so considering 2019 for some. But once I get a mixed case or two, I'm done, so I don't want to overbuy a vintage without more experience with the wines.

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#183 Post by Barry L i p t o n » August 27th, 2020, 7:24 pm

How tough will it be to get Donnhoff GG Hermannshohle 2019? Envoyer sold out instantly, Zachy's has it for $25 more. Will I get shut out if I don't pounce or is the production and distribution pretty good. Shipping from the east coast gts expensive fast, and I prefer to support those that I've been buying from for a while.

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#184 Post by RyanC » August 27th, 2020, 7:28 pm

Barry L i p t o n wrote:
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How tough will it be to get Donnhoff GG Hermannshohle 2019? Envoyer sold out instantly, Zachy's has it for $25 more. Will I get shut out if I don't pounce or is the production and distribution pretty good. Shipping from the east coast gts expensive fast, and I prefer to support those that I've been buying from for a while.
It's usually not all that hard to find, but I suppose 2019 may be different. I also wouldn't sweat it. I like the wine but I don't think it's any better than a whole bunch of other GGs.
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#185 Post by Barry L i p t o n » August 27th, 2020, 7:51 pm

Thanks. Following Martin's suggestions on Emrich-Schonleber to look for the Ortswein too, I was looking at the Donnhoff Trochen, particularly Kreuznacher Kahlenberg Riesling Erste Lage Trocken and Roxheimer Hollenpfad Riesling Erste Lage Trocken [Future Arrival]. Funny, after ignoring ratings for about 8 years, I find myself influenced by the Wine Advocate Scores (due to my ignorance, which would be total if it wasn't for the kindness of a couple of board members who have pointed me to some producers). Those are nice scores for the price, but I admit that the score for the Hermannshohle caught my eye (96-97).

Anyone buy these regularly?

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#186 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » August 28th, 2020, 6:47 am

Barry L i p t o n wrote:
August 27th, 2020, 7:51 pm
Thanks. Following Martin's suggestions on Emrich-Schonleber to look for the Ortswein too, I was looking at the Donnhoff Trochen, particularly Kreuznacher Kahlenberg Riesling Erste Lage Trocken and Roxheimer Hollenpfad Riesling Erste Lage Trocken [Future Arrival]. Funny, after ignoring ratings for about 8 years, I find myself influenced by the Wine Advocate Scores (due to my ignorance, which would be total if it wasn't for the kindness of a couple of board members who have pointed me to some producers). Those are nice scores for the price, but I admit that the score for the Hermannshohle caught my eye (96-97).

Anyone buy these regularly?
I taste the trockens most years (not this year for obvious reasons), and they are always very fine. The Hermannshohle is on another level IMO. I have been buying and drinking the Hermannshohle GG since the first vintage of the bottling, 2003. It ages spectacularly well, and is, IMO, worth the premium. Of the other trockens you list, the Hollenpfad is my favorite. It has a spicy edge that I really like.
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#187 Post by dvansteenderen » August 28th, 2020, 12:24 pm

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#188 Post by Martin Zwick » September 1st, 2020, 12:23 am

Here some more impressions by Stephan Reinhardt/WA based on the VDP-PreTasting of GG 2019 and Spätburgunder GG 2018 in Wiesbaden last week, around 300 wines. It’s in german, please use a Google translator.


https://m.faz.net/aktuell/stil/essen-tr ... 28305.html
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#189 Post by Martin Zwick » September 1st, 2020, 12:27 am

P.S.

Wer den Jahrgang 2019 nicht gut findet, der ist nicht ganz dicht“

Der 2019er ist ein unvergleichlicher Jahrgang und für Weißwein der beste, den ich jemals in Deutschland verkostet habe.“

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„If someone doesn’t like 2019 is insane„

„2019 is an incomparable vintage and for white wine the best I have ever tasted in Germany“
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#190 Post by Martin Zwick » September 1st, 2020, 2:17 am

AND impressions from Wiesbaden by Jamie Goode:

https://wineanorak.com/2020/08/26/video ... ting-2020/
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#191 Post by kristofstevens » September 1st, 2020, 10:56 am

Martin, did you participate in any of the GG tastings and if so, what were your highlights?

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#192 Post by Martin Zwick » September 1st, 2020, 11:01 am

kristofstevens wrote:
September 1st, 2020, 10:56 am
Martin, did you participate in any of the GG tastings and if so, what were your highlights?
Unfortunately not. First the pandemic and in August I was very ill for 2 weeks and needed 2 more weeks to be fit.

In 2 weeks I will taste all the best GGs of the vintage 2019 (around 30 wines) in private session. Stay tuned......
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Re: 2019 German Riesling

#193 Post by kristofstevens » September 1st, 2020, 11:09 am

I hope you get better fast Martin! And be sure I'll be looking forward to those notes ;-)

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Re: 2019 German Riesling

#194 Post by Barry L i p t o n » September 11th, 2020, 11:59 am

I have my calendar marked for Martin's next update!

I hope you are fully recovered!

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Re: 2019 German Riesling

#195 Post by Brian S t o t t e r » September 11th, 2020, 12:31 pm

Martin Zwick wrote:
September 1st, 2020, 12:23 am
Here some more impressions by Stephan Reinhardt/WA based on the VDP-PreTasting of GG 2019 and Spätburgunder GG 2018 in Wiesbaden last week, around 300 wines. It’s in german, please use a Google translator.


https://m.faz.net/aktuell/stil/essen-tr ... 28305.html
How do you say "paywall" in German?

Hope you're feeling better Martin.
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Re: 2019 German Riesling

#196 Post by Martin Zwick » September 11th, 2020, 1:10 pm

Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
September 11th, 2020, 12:31 pm
Martin Zwick wrote:
September 1st, 2020, 12:23 am
Here some more impressions by Stephan Reinhardt/WA based on the VDP-PreTasting of GG 2019 and Spätburgunder GG 2018 in Wiesbaden last week, around 300 wines. It’s in german, please use a Google translator.


https://m.faz.net/aktuell/stil/essen-tr ... 28305.html
How do you say "paywall" in German?

Hope you're feeling better Martin.
We use the english term too. You can’t read it because you have to pay for it. I guess because you’re not in Germany. Sorry

Thank god, everything is fine. DANKE

On monday night I will taste some of the best GGs 2019. Stay turned.....
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Re: 2019 German Riesling

#197 Post by JulianD » September 11th, 2020, 4:09 pm

K&L showing some pre-orders now- Haag, Willie Schaefer, etc
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Re: 2019 German Riesling

#198 Post by Tom G l a s g o w » September 11th, 2020, 4:21 pm

Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
September 11th, 2020, 12:31 pm
Martin Zwick wrote:
September 1st, 2020, 12:23 am
Here some more impressions by Stephan Reinhardt/WA based on the VDP-PreTasting of GG 2019 and Spätburgunder GG 2018 in Wiesbaden last week, around 300 wines. It’s in german, please use a Google translator.


https://m.faz.net/aktuell/stil/essen-tr ... 28305.html
How do you say "paywall" in German?

Hope you're feeling better Martin.
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Re: 2019 German Riesling

#199 Post by Martin Zwick » September 14th, 2020, 2:11 am

Tom G l a s g o w wrote:
September 11th, 2020, 4:21 pm
Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
September 11th, 2020, 12:31 pm
Martin Zwick wrote:
September 1st, 2020, 12:23 am
Here some more impressions by Stephan Reinhardt/WA based on the VDP-PreTasting of GG 2019 and Spätburgunder GG 2018 in Wiesbaden last week, around 300 wines. It’s in german, please use a Google translator.


https://m.faz.net/aktuell/stil/essen-tr ... 28305.html
How do you say "paywall" in German?

Hope you're feeling better Martin.
Victor


Everything is fine now, DANKE Victor.

We use the same term, as it a new word. It seems viewer from the USA can't read it without payment. I can, even as I don't pay. Sorry

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Re: 2019 German Riesling

#200 Post by Martin Zwick » September 14th, 2020, 2:13 am

Big GG 2019-Arrivage tasting tonight. Stay tuned......and with some surprises. Fasten-your-seatbelts.

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