2019 German Riesling

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Re: 2019 German Riesling

#301 Post by J. Rock » October 12th, 2020, 9:50 am

I just got a couple of cases of 2019s and I'm excited to dive in. I'm thinking of starting off with a Kabinett, but can't decide which to open. Has anyone had any 2019 Kabinetts from Fritz Haag, Schloss Lieser, or Zilliken yet?
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#302 Post by Russell Faulkner » October 12th, 2020, 11:09 am

Open all three to compare. They will keep in the fridge for weeks.

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#303 Post by Robert Dentice » October 12th, 2020, 11:50 am

Russell Faulkner wrote:
October 12th, 2020, 11:09 am
Open all three to compare. They will keep in the fridge for weeks.
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Re: 2019 German Riesling

#304 Post by J. Rock » October 12th, 2020, 12:09 pm

It's not a bad idea...
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Re: 2019 German Riesling

#305 Post by J. Rock » October 12th, 2020, 9:09 pm

I opened the 2019 Schloss Lieser Brauneberger Juffer Riesling Kabinett tonight and WOW. Excellent wine. Ridiculous QPR. If this is representative of the vintage, I'm going to have to buy a lot more.
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Re: 2019 German Riesling

#306 Post by J. Rock » October 17th, 2020, 9:13 am

I had a 2019 Willi Schaefer Graacher Domprobst Riesling Auslese #14 last night, and I think that while it's already pretty great, especially the concentrated underlying spice notes and the great finish, it definitely has a lot of baby fat to shed. Has anyone else had this or any other 2019 GKAs yet?
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Re: 2019 German Riesling

#307 Post by Alexander Smith » October 17th, 2020, 9:17 am

How are the dry Rieslings looking vs 2018? I had some Peter Lauer 2018s and they were pretty spectacular. So difficult to see how 2019 could be better....
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Re: 2019 German Riesling

#308 Post by J. Rock » October 18th, 2020, 2:33 pm

I haven't opened any 2019 dry Rieslings yet since I didn't buy many. I'm interested in hearing others' thoughts on them.

I did just have the 2019 Fritz Haag Brauneberger Juffer Kabinett, which I found to be fairly restrained compared to the Schloss Lieser iteration (but certainly not austere). F. Haag showed more lime, higher acidity, and lower sweetness, compared to the S. Lieser, which was more in the white peach territory with moderate sweetness and a bit lower, but still great acidity.
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Re: 2019 German Riesling

#309 Post by Brian Pinci » October 19th, 2020, 3:39 pm

I received an email from Zachy’s for the 2019 Schloss Johannisberger Riesling Spätlese Grünlack for $69.99. Is it worth buying from them or should I hold out for a better price from another vendor? I usually only buy from them when I can’t find something I really want anywhere else because their pricing and shipping costs are a bit high in my opinion. I’m not sure how hard this wine is to find. And if anyone can tell me who is selling 2019 Zilliken, Haart, and Lieser, I’d appreciate it.
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Re: 2019 German Riesling

#310 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » October 19th, 2020, 3:40 pm

Brian Pinci wrote:
October 19th, 2020, 3:39 pm
I received an email from Zachy’s for the 2019 Schloss Johannisberger Riesling Spätlese Grünlack for $69.99. Is it worth buying from them or should I hold out for a better price from another vendor? I usually only buy from them when I can’t find something I really want anywhere else because their pricing and shipping costs are a bit high in my opinion. I’m not sure how hard this wine is to find. And if anyone can tell me who is selling 2019 Zilliken, Haart, and Lieser, I’d appreciate it.
I cannot imagine paying $70 for the Grünlack. There’s much better wine out there for less. SJ is still behind the times IMO.
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Re: 2019 German Riesling

#311 Post by Brian Pinci » October 19th, 2020, 6:51 pm

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
October 19th, 2020, 3:40 pm
Brian Pinci wrote:
October 19th, 2020, 3:39 pm
I received an email from Zachy’s for the 2019 Schloss Johannisberger Riesling Spätlese Grünlack for $69.99. Is it worth buying from them or should I hold out for a better price from another vendor? I usually only buy from them when I can’t find something I really want anywhere else because their pricing and shipping costs are a bit high in my opinion. I’m not sure how hard this wine is to find. And if anyone can tell me who is selling 2019 Zilliken, Haart, and Lieser, I’d appreciate it.
I cannot imagine paying $70 for the Grünlack. There’s much better wine out there for less. SJ is still behind the times IMO.
Thanks David for saving me some money! Last time I had Schloss Johannisberg, although not Grunlack, was ages ago with the 1976. Obviously I haven’t kept up with the producer.
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Re: 2019 German Riesling

#312 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » October 19th, 2020, 7:02 pm

Brian Pinci wrote:
October 19th, 2020, 6:51 pm
D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
October 19th, 2020, 3:40 pm
Brian Pinci wrote:
October 19th, 2020, 3:39 pm
I received an email from Zachy’s for the 2019 Schloss Johannisberger Riesling Spätlese Grünlack for $69.99. Is it worth buying from them or should I hold out for a better price from another vendor? I usually only buy from them when I can’t find something I really want anywhere else because their pricing and shipping costs are a bit high in my opinion. I’m not sure how hard this wine is to find. And if anyone can tell me who is selling 2019 Zilliken, Haart, and Lieser, I’d appreciate it.
I cannot imagine paying $70 for the Grünlack. There’s much better wine out there for less. SJ is still behind the times IMO.
Thanks David for saving me some money! Last time I had Schloss Johannisberg, although not Grunlack, was ages ago with the 1976. Obviously I haven’t kept up with the producer.
They are still recovering from a very long period of underperformance. The wines are good, but not among the elite.
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Re: 2019 German Riesling

#313 Post by Russell Faulkner » October 19th, 2020, 9:16 pm

Pigott rated that wine 100. Hence the fuss. I bought a little (for a lot less than that - €33 a bottle but it’s still what I’d call expensive relatively) to see if I agree.

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Re: 2019 German Riesling

#314 Post by Robert Dentice » October 20th, 2020, 3:54 am

Russell Faulkner wrote:
October 19th, 2020, 9:16 pm
Pigott rated that wine 100. Hence the fuss. I bought a little (for a lot less than that - €33 a bottle but it’s still what I’d call expensive relatively) to see if I agree.
Didn't Stuart Pigott represent them in some way in the past?

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Re: 2019 German Riesling

#315 Post by Russell Faulkner » October 20th, 2020, 4:23 am

Not sure. Works for Gut Hermannsberg now.

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Re: 2019 German Riesling

#316 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » October 20th, 2020, 4:34 am

Pigott seems ready to do whatever is needed to make news about Pigott.
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