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#7151 Post by <hr!s.L » November 15th, 2020, 1:28 pm

MatthewT wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 6:50 am

This is amazing. I forgot I had that conversation with Lloyd who is an actual negociant! Thank you Chris for signing up just to post this. I'm sure the trolls will think I'm Chris, Cameron, and Matt, but what else is new.
You're very welcome, though I would note I signed up a couple of days ago intending to post on a different topic related to de Négoce.

Before I got round to making my intended post, I was lurking on this thread last night and I just found the hostilities and piling on, along with the heavy lean away from what felt like the logical explanation of the 2% blending to be enough combined motivation to make my first post.

The sudden deluge of negativity seemed particularly jarring given the low key, pedestrian tone of this thread over the past week, with helpful if bland updates on individual members shipping updates, and little to no new offers from Cam (rightfully so) as he got the logistical end of his house in order.

Then an offer appeared, with an angry mob in tow, knives out, demanding your head (a recurring theme of this thread, I'm sure you've noticed). I was like "what the heck's going on?" before realizing it was Saturday night on a forum dedicated to people who love alcohol. Reminded me of people wanting to fight outside the club at 2am.

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#7152 Post by Rodrigo B » November 15th, 2020, 3:00 pm

We’ve got some new additions on COLA on some upcoming offers:

#118 2018 Chalk Hill Malbec 15.2% ABV
#119 2018 Chalk Hill Syrah 14.2% ABV
#120 2018 Moon Mountain District Cabernet Sauvignon 14.9% ABV
#121 2018 Knights Valley Sauvignon Blanc 13.5% ABV
#122 2019 Dry Creek Valley Pinot Noir 14.8% ABV
#125 2019 Anderson Valley Pinot Noir 12.2% ABV
#126 2019 Anderson Valley Pinot Noir 13.4% ABV
#135 2017 Mendocino Carignane 14% ABV
#136 2018 Adelaida District / Paso Robles Syrah 14.4% ABV
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#7153 Post by larry schaffer » November 15th, 2020, 3:15 pm

Curious as to when Cam acquired these lots - and how much $$$ he had to put out front in order to get them. With the bulk market either nearly dried up OR much higher priced than it was a few months ago, his timing was incredible IMHO.

Now back to your regularly scheduled discussions . . .

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#7154 Post by Rodrigo B » November 15th, 2020, 3:27 pm

I am curious too Larry. The sheer number of offering Cam has is mind boggling. Even more so when you consider the pace at which it's growing. CHWines has been around for ~10 years and their lot count is in high 700s/low 800s. dN has been around for under a year and is up to 130+, that’s an incredibly aggressive growth/acquisition model
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#7155 Post by CliffM » November 15th, 2020, 6:20 pm

Rodrigo B wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 3:00 pm
We’ve got some new additions on COLA on some upcoming offers:

#118 2018 Chalk Hill Malbec 15.2% ABV
#119 2018 Chalk Hill Syrah 14.2% ABV
#120 2018 Moon Mountain District Cabernet Sauvignon 14.9% ABV
#121 2018 Knights Valley Sauvignon Blanc 13.5% ABV
#122 2019 Dry Creek Valley Pinot Noir 14.8% ABV
#125 2019 Anderson Valley Pinot Noir 12.2% ABV
#126 2019 Anderson Valley Pinot Noir 13.4% ABV
#135 2017 Mendocino Carignane 14% ABV
#136 2018 Adelaida District / Paso Robles Syrah 14.4% ABV
Where can I see what offers are still to come?
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#7156 Post by Rodrigo B » November 15th, 2020, 6:43 pm

CliffM wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 6:20 pm
Rodrigo B wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 3:00 pm
We’ve got some new additions on COLA on some upcoming offers:

#118 2018 Chalk Hill Malbec 15.2% ABV
#119 2018 Chalk Hill Syrah 14.2% ABV
#120 2018 Moon Mountain District Cabernet Sauvignon 14.9% ABV
#121 2018 Knights Valley Sauvignon Blanc 13.5% ABV
#122 2019 Dry Creek Valley Pinot Noir 14.8% ABV
#125 2019 Anderson Valley Pinot Noir 12.2% ABV
#126 2019 Anderson Valley Pinot Noir 13.4% ABV
#135 2017 Mendocino Carignane 14% ABV
#136 2018 Adelaida District / Paso Robles Syrah 14.4% ABV
Where can I see what offers are still to come?
There's not an official de Negoce list, but you can search the TTB COLA registry for de Negoce and then labels for wines that haven’t been offered yet are effectively upcoming offers. It’s by no means a complete list, but it does get yield some info at times.
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#7157 Post by Margo Smith » November 15th, 2020, 6:45 pm

Rodrigo B wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 3:00 pm
We’ve got some new additions on COLA on some upcoming offers:

#119 2018 Chalk Hill Syrah 14.2% ABV
....
#136 2018 Adelaida District / Paso Robles Syrah 14.4% ABV
Thanks for sharing! Does anyone have any thoughts on the two Syrahs -- either on their own or in comparison?
...meaning style or thoughts based on experience with Syrahs from similar areas?

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#7158 Post by Ron F r e e d » November 15th, 2020, 7:08 pm

Margo Smith wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 6:45 pm
Rodrigo B wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 3:00 pm
We’ve got some new additions on COLA on some upcoming offers:

#119 2018 Chalk Hill Syrah 14.2% ABV
....
#136 2018 Adelaida District / Paso Robles Syrah 14.4% ABV
Thanks for sharing! Does anyone have any thoughts on the two Syrahs -- either on their own or in comparison?
...meaning style or thoughts based on experience with Syrahs from similar areas?
They pretty much can be hit-or-miss at this point, depending on what your preferences are. I looked at both of those with interest as well. A simple CT search for 2016 adelaida syrah results in a number of possibilities. Then I change the year, going back to 2015 and then 2014. So, barring any other description, which is a very important part of my decision making process, I've got it limited to three likely suspects so far: Tablas Creek, Halter Ranch or Daou. Most important is the description that comes along with the eventual offer--it should either match one of those to a "T" or not (at which point, I look to the description for additional clues). So far, do any of these producers rock your boat? How about at $12-20 a bottle?

The same process with chalk hill and syrah as the search yields only Chalk Hill syrah. But somewhat limited number of bottles in CT suggest that there may more info made available in the description of that offer.

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#7159 Post by Rodrigo B » November 15th, 2020, 7:12 pm

Ron F r e e d wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 7:08 pm
Margo Smith wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 6:45 pm
Rodrigo B wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 3:00 pm
We’ve got some new additions on COLA on some upcoming offers:

#119 2018 Chalk Hill Syrah 14.2% ABV
....
#136 2018 Adelaida District / Paso Robles Syrah 14.4% ABV
Thanks for sharing! Does anyone have any thoughts on the two Syrahs -- either on their own or in comparison?
...meaning style or thoughts based on experience with Syrahs from similar areas?
They pretty much can be hit-or-miss at this point, depending on what your preferences are. I looked at both of those with interest as well. A simple CT search for 2016 adelaida syrah results in a number of possibilities. Then I change the year, going back to 2015 and then 2014. So, barring any other description, which is a very important part of my decision making process, I've got it limited to three likely suspects so far: Tablas Creek, Halter Ranch or Daou. Most important is the description that comes along with the eventual offer--it should either match one of those to a "T" or not (at which point, I look to the description for additional clues). So far, do any of these producers rock your boat? How about at $12-20 a bottle?

The same process with chalk hill and syrah as the search yields only Chalk Hill syrah. But somewhat limited number of bottles in CT suggest that there may more info made available in the description of that offer.
Not much to go on at this time. Any guess on any of these offers is premature at best. I will note that there has already been one offering from Tablas Creek (#55 Rose), so it may be possible that Cam also got some Syrah to go with it as well. But it's hard to say much without looking at the offers.
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#7160 Post by Ron F r e e d » November 15th, 2020, 7:32 pm

Rodrigo B wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 7:12 pm
Ron F r e e d wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 7:08 pm
Margo Smith wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 6:45 pm


Thanks for sharing! Does anyone have any thoughts on the two Syrahs -- either on their own or in comparison?
...meaning style or thoughts based on experience with Syrahs from similar areas?
They pretty much can be hit-or-miss at this point, depending on what your preferences are. I looked at both of those with interest as well. A simple CT search for 2016 adelaida syrah results in a number of possibilities. Then I change the year, going back to 2015 and then 2014. So, barring any other description, which is a very important part of my decision making process, I've got it limited to three likely suspects so far: Tablas Creek, Halter Ranch or Daou. Most important is the description that comes along with the eventual offer--it should either match one of those to a "T" or not (at which point, I look to the description for additional clues). So far, do any of these producers rock your boat? How about at $12-20 a bottle?

The same process with chalk hill and syrah as the search yields only Chalk Hill syrah. But somewhat limited number of bottles in CT suggest that there may more info made available in the description of that offer.
Not much to go on at this time. Any guess on any of these offers is premature at best. I will note that there has already been one offering from Tablas Creek (#55 Rose), so it may be possible that Cam also got some Syrah to go with it as well. But it's hard to say much without looking at the offers.
Agreed, the offer is pretty much everything. Just a little pre-work done on that one.

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#7161 Post by JBucholz » November 15th, 2020, 7:48 pm

larry schaffer wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 3:15 pm
Curious as to when Cam acquired these lots - and how much $$$ he had to put out front in order to get them. With the bulk market either nearly dried up OR much higher priced than it was a few months ago, his timing was incredible IMHO.

Now back to your regularly scheduled discussions . . .

Cheers!
I have no idea when he purchased the lots, but I read that his model is to contract with the wineries on promise of later payment. He then offers the juice for sale as futures and pays the winery out of the proceeds of the sales. There may be some minimal cash that passes hands initially, but the bulk of the payment doesn’t happen until Cam sells the wine.
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#7162 Post by Margo Smith » November 16th, 2020, 7:25 am

Rodrigo B wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 7:12 pm
Ron F r e e d wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 7:08 pm
Margo Smith wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 6:45 pm


Thanks for sharing! Does anyone have any thoughts on the two Syrahs -- either on their own or in comparison?
...meaning style or thoughts based on experience with Syrahs from similar areas?
They pretty much can be hit-or-miss at this point, depending on what your preferences are. I looked at both of those with interest as well. A simple CT search for 2016 adelaida syrah results in a number of possibilities. Then I change the year, going back to 2015 and then 2014. So, barring any other description, which is a very important part of my decision making process, I've got it limited to three likely suspects so far: Tablas Creek, Halter Ranch or Daou. Most important is the description that comes along with the eventual offer--it should either match one of those to a "T" or not (at which point, I look to the description for additional clues). So far, do any of these producers rock your boat? How about at $12-20 a bottle?

The same process with chalk hill and syrah as the search yields only Chalk Hill syrah. But somewhat limited number of bottles in CT suggest that there may more info made available in the description of that offer.
Not much to go on at this time. Any guess on any of these offers is premature at best. I will note that there has already been one offering from Tablas Creek (#55 Rose), so it may be possible that Cam also got some Syrah to go with it as well. But it's hard to say much without looking at the offers.
Thanks Ron! Those leads are super helpful. To clarify, I wasn't specifically asking for winery guesses (although the leads are very welcome!), but was more wondering if we can know anything about these stylistically from these areas. I agree the offers are needed to be able to hone in on winery guesses.

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#7163 Post by Rodrigo B » November 16th, 2020, 7:37 am

Margo Smith wrote:
November 16th, 2020, 7:25 am
Rodrigo B wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 7:12 pm
Ron F r e e d wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 7:08 pm


They pretty much can be hit-or-miss at this point, depending on what your preferences are. I looked at both of those with interest as well. A simple CT search for 2016 adelaida syrah results in a number of possibilities. Then I change the year, going back to 2015 and then 2014. So, barring any other description, which is a very important part of my decision making process, I've got it limited to three likely suspects so far: Tablas Creek, Halter Ranch or Daou. Most important is the description that comes along with the eventual offer--it should either match one of those to a "T" or not (at which point, I look to the description for additional clues). So far, do any of these producers rock your boat? How about at $12-20 a bottle?

The same process with chalk hill and syrah as the search yields only Chalk Hill syrah. But somewhat limited number of bottles in CT suggest that there may more info made available in the description of that offer.
Not much to go on at this time. Any guess on any of these offers is premature at best. I will note that there has already been one offering from Tablas Creek (#55 Rose), so it may be possible that Cam also got some Syrah to go with it as well. But it's hard to say much without looking at the offers.
Thanks Ron! Those leads are super helpful. To clarify, I wasn't specifically asking for winery guesses (although the leads are very welcome!), but was more wondering if we can know anything about these stylistically from these areas. I agree the offers are needed to be able to hone in on winery guesses.
As with all wine, styles in a given region or AVA can vary widely, so while we can try to generalise a bit given a particular AVA, it’s likely not going to be very useful at this time. I suppose a better indicator at this time for what those wines might be like stylistically is to look at Cam’s previous Syrah offerings (#38 and #74)
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#7164 Post by Eric White » November 16th, 2020, 7:45 am

Rodrigo B wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 3:00 pm
We’ve got some new additions on COLA on some upcoming offers:

#118 2018 Chalk Hill Malbec 15.2% ABV
#119 2018 Chalk Hill Syrah 14.2% ABV
#120 2018 Moon Mountain District Cabernet Sauvignon 14.9% ABV
#121 2018 Knights Valley Sauvignon Blanc 13.5% ABV
#122 2019 Dry Creek Valley Pinot Noir 14.8% ABV
#125 2019 Anderson Valley Pinot Noir 12.2% ABV
#126 2019 Anderson Valley Pinot Noir 13.4% ABV
#135 2017 Mendocino Carignane 14% ABV
#136 2018 Adelaida District / Paso Robles Syrah 14.4% ABV
Gotta say, on the face of it, none of these sound all that exciting to me (Dry Creek Pinot??), but I guess we'll see when the descriptions come out.

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#7165 Post by David Buck » November 16th, 2020, 7:48 am

Eric White wrote:
November 16th, 2020, 7:45 am

Gotta say, on the face of it, none of these sound all that exciting to me (Dry Creek Pinot??), but I guess we'll see when the descriptions come out.
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#7166 Post by L Harris » November 16th, 2020, 7:54 am

Rodrigo B wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 3:00 pm
We’ve got some new additions on COLA on some upcoming offers:

#118 2018 Chalk Hill Malbec 15.2% ABV
#119 2018 Chalk Hill Syrah 14.2% ABV
#120 2018 Moon Mountain District Cabernet Sauvignon 14.9% ABV
#121 2018 Knights Valley Sauvignon Blanc 13.5% ABV
#122 2019 Dry Creek Valley Pinot Noir 14.8% ABV
#125 2019 Anderson Valley Pinot Noir 12.2% ABV
#126 2019 Anderson Valley Pinot Noir 13.4% ABV
#135 2017 Mendocino Carignane 14% ABV
#136 2018 Adelaida District / Paso Robles Syrah 14.4% ABV
I found a few more when I searched today (sorry didn't capture ABV):
#81 2018 Napa Valley Cabernet Sauvignon
#108 2018 Sierra Foothills Cabernet Sauvignon
#111 2018 Fair Play El Dorado County Syrah
#114 2018 Fair Play El Dorado County Zinfandel (interesting to see if #112,113 are same origin as I suspect)

I asked this question earlier, but still wondering why there are no labels for non-California (i.e. OR & WA) offers that I can find. Given that #70 is scheduled to arrive at my home Wednesday, it has to be labeled!!
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#7167 Post by Rodrigo B » November 16th, 2020, 7:56 am

Eric White wrote:
November 16th, 2020, 7:45 am
Rodrigo B wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 3:00 pm
We’ve got some new additions on COLA on some upcoming offers:

#118 2018 Chalk Hill Malbec 15.2% ABV
#119 2018 Chalk Hill Syrah 14.2% ABV
#120 2018 Moon Mountain District Cabernet Sauvignon 14.9% ABV
#121 2018 Knights Valley Sauvignon Blanc 13.5% ABV
#122 2019 Dry Creek Valley Pinot Noir 14.8% ABV
#125 2019 Anderson Valley Pinot Noir 12.2% ABV
#126 2019 Anderson Valley Pinot Noir 13.4% ABV
#135 2017 Mendocino Carignane 14% ABV
#136 2018 Adelaida District / Paso Robles Syrah 14.4% ABV
Gotta say, on the face of it, none of these sound all that exciting to me (Dry Creek Pinot??), but I guess we'll see when the descriptions come out.
The Anderson Valley Pinot could be interesting. May be Copain again?

Some extra ones added:

#108 2018 Sierra Foothills Cabernet Sauvignon 15.6% ABV
#111 2018 Fair Play Syrah 14.3% ABV
#114 2018 Fair Play Zinfandel 15.7% ABV
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#7168 Post by Rodrigo B » November 16th, 2020, 8:03 am

L Harris wrote:
November 16th, 2020, 7:54 am
Rodrigo B wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 3:00 pm
We’ve got some new additions on COLA on some upcoming offers:

#118 2018 Chalk Hill Malbec 15.2% ABV
#119 2018 Chalk Hill Syrah 14.2% ABV
#120 2018 Moon Mountain District Cabernet Sauvignon 14.9% ABV
#121 2018 Knights Valley Sauvignon Blanc 13.5% ABV
#122 2019 Dry Creek Valley Pinot Noir 14.8% ABV
#125 2019 Anderson Valley Pinot Noir 12.2% ABV
#126 2019 Anderson Valley Pinot Noir 13.4% ABV
#135 2017 Mendocino Carignane 14% ABV
#136 2018 Adelaida District / Paso Robles Syrah 14.4% ABV
I found a few more when I searched today (sorry didn't capture ABV):
#81 2018 Napa Valley Cabernet Sauvignon
#108 2018 Sierra Foothills Cabernet Sauvignon
#111 2018 Fair Plan El Dorado County Syrah
#114 2018 Fair Plan El Dorado County Zinfandel (interesting to see if #112,113 are same origin as I suspect)

I asked this question earlier, but still wondering why there are no labels for non-California (i.e. OR & WA) offers that I can find. Given that #70 is scheduled to arrive at my home Wednesday, it has to be labeled!!
There is generally a delay on when the labels are placed in the registry, though that's not to say that this isn't a bit strange. Some on the thread have previously suggested that Cam started filing for labels under a different name outside of de Negoce so people like us on this thread couldn't keep screening for upcoming offers. Not sure how doable that is per TBB nor how likely it is given that we're seeing some new offers on COLA
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#7169 Post by L Harris » November 16th, 2020, 8:09 am

Rodrigo B wrote:
November 16th, 2020, 8:03 am
L Harris wrote:
November 16th, 2020, 7:54 am
Rodrigo B wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 3:00 pm
We’ve got some new additions on COLA on some upcoming offers:

#118 2018 Chalk Hill Malbec 15.2% ABV
#119 2018 Chalk Hill Syrah 14.2% ABV
#120 2018 Moon Mountain District Cabernet Sauvignon 14.9% ABV
#121 2018 Knights Valley Sauvignon Blanc 13.5% ABV
#122 2019 Dry Creek Valley Pinot Noir 14.8% ABV
#125 2019 Anderson Valley Pinot Noir 12.2% ABV
#126 2019 Anderson Valley Pinot Noir 13.4% ABV
#135 2017 Mendocino Carignane 14% ABV
#136 2018 Adelaida District / Paso Robles Syrah 14.4% ABV
I found a few more when I searched today (sorry didn't capture ABV):
#81 2018 Napa Valley Cabernet Sauvignon
#108 2018 Sierra Foothills Cabernet Sauvignon
#111 2018 Fair Plan El Dorado County Syrah
#114 2018 Fair Plan El Dorado County Zinfandel (interesting to see if #112,113 are same origin as I suspect)

I asked this question earlier, but still wondering why there are no labels for non-California (i.e. OR & WA) offers that I can find. Given that #70 is scheduled to arrive at my home Wednesday, it has to be labeled!!
There is generally a delay on when the labels are placed in the registry, though that's not to say that this isn't a bit strange. Some on the thread have previously suggested that Cam started filing for labels under a different name outside of de Negoce so people like us on this thread couldn't keep screening for upcoming offers. Not sure how doable that is per TBB nor how likely it is given that we're seeing some new offers on COLA
Might have been me that suggested that! I've also tried to just search Oregon and Washington origin wines in likely date ranges to see if I could find other sneaky names, and didn't come up with anything. Anyone have Sherlock Holmes's phone number?
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#7170 Post by Michael Martin » November 16th, 2020, 8:36 am

Eric White wrote:
November 16th, 2020, 7:45 am
Rodrigo B wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 3:00 pm
We’ve got some new additions on COLA on some upcoming offers:

#118 2018 Chalk Hill Malbec 15.2% ABV
#119 2018 Chalk Hill Syrah 14.2% ABV
#120 2018 Moon Mountain District Cabernet Sauvignon 14.9% ABV
#121 2018 Knights Valley Sauvignon Blanc 13.5% ABV
#122 2019 Dry Creek Valley Pinot Noir 14.8% ABV
#125 2019 Anderson Valley Pinot Noir 12.2% ABV
#126 2019 Anderson Valley Pinot Noir 13.4% ABV
#135 2017 Mendocino Carignane 14% ABV
#136 2018 Adelaida District / Paso Robles Syrah 14.4% ABV
Gotta say, on the face of it, none of these sound all that exciting to me (Dry Creek Pinot??), but I guess we'll see when the descriptions come out.
Moon Mountain includes Monte Rosso. Bedrock has produced some good Cabs from that AVA.

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#7171 Post by Rodrigo B » November 16th, 2020, 8:50 am

L Harris wrote:
November 16th, 2020, 8:09 am
Might have been me that suggested that! I've also tried to just search Oregon and Washington origin wines in likely date ranges to see if I could find other sneaky names, and didn't come up with anything. Anyone have Sherlock Holmes's phone number?
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Unless you know exactly what you’re looking for, searching the TTB database is like trying to find a needle in a haystack. There’s thousands of label applications for Oregon in the the last couple of months alone. Maybe someone knows a better way to filter through the COLA registry, but as it is that’s a lot of labels to search through.
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#7172 Post by Eric White » November 16th, 2020, 9:20 am

Rodrigo (or anyone else) - how do you get the level of detail that you do on those COLA searches? I can get the list, but nowhere in the results do they list any more than the variety, origin, etc. No ABV, AVA, etc...

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#7173 Post by CliffM » November 16th, 2020, 9:26 am

Can someone please be the COLA hero this thread needs and post the next (potential) 30 offerings? 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
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#7174 Post by Rodrigo B » November 16th, 2020, 9:27 am

Eric White wrote:
November 16th, 2020, 9:20 am
Rodrigo (or anyone else) - how do you get the level of detail that you do on those COLA searches? I can get the list, but nowhere in the results do they list any more than the variety, origin, etc. No ABV, AVA, etc...
Click the printable version button on the top right of a specific registration. AVA is on the long form application and since the application also includes a picture of the label you can find the ABV that way.
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#7175 Post by Eric White » November 16th, 2020, 9:31 am

Rodrigo B wrote:
November 16th, 2020, 9:27 am

Click the printable version button on the top right of a specific registration. AVA is on the long form application and since the application also includes a picture of the label you can find the ABV that way.
got it, thanks!

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#7176 Post by <hr!s.L » November 16th, 2020, 9:41 am

Rodrigo B wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 3:00 pm
We’ve got some new additions on COLA on some upcoming offers:

#118 2018 Chalk Hill Malbec 15.2% ABV
#119 2018 Chalk Hill Syrah 14.2% ABV
#120 2018 Moon Mountain District Cabernet Sauvignon 14.9% ABV
#121 2018 Knights Valley Sauvignon Blanc 13.5% ABV
#122 2019 Dry Creek Valley Pinot Noir 14.8% ABV
#125 2019 Anderson Valley Pinot Noir 12.2% ABV
#126 2019 Anderson Valley Pinot Noir 13.4% ABV

#135 2017 Mendocino Carignane 14% ABV
#136 2018 Adelaida District / Paso Robles Syrah 14.4% ABV
I love visiting the Anderson Valley so I'm looking forward to those Pinots. Fingers crossed it's Drew, but who knows.

Random question
Regarding OG 66, my order page on the website has the correct wine listed under "Product" but the SKU says OG65 (I was charged the correct amount for OG 66). I know this is one of the wines expected to ship this week and with the all the shipping snafus I'm slightly concerned about receiving the incorrect wine. I'm curious if anyone else has the incorrect SKU listed for their order of OG 66?
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#7177 Post by Rodrigo B » November 16th, 2020, 9:44 am

CliffM wrote:
November 16th, 2020, 9:26 am
Can someone please be the COLA hero this thread needs and post the next (potential) 30 offerings? 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
I already noted all the COLA labels that haven't been offered yet, but since people keep asking I added all upcoming offers in a separate tab to my spreadsheet that can be found here. That doesn't mean that those are directly next, nor does it mean that Cam can't offer something that he hasn't filled a TTB label for.
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#7178 Post by EAScrog » November 16th, 2020, 11:02 am

<hr!s.L wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 1:28 pm
MatthewT wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 6:50 am

This is amazing. I forgot I had that conversation with Lloyd who is an actual negociant! Thank you Chris for signing up just to post this. I'm sure the trolls will think I'm Chris, Cameron, and Matt, but what else is new.
You're very welcome, though I would note I signed up a couple of days ago intending to post on a different topic related to de Négoce.

Before I got round to making my intended post, I was lurking on this thread last night and I just found the hostilities and piling on, along with the heavy lean away from what felt like the logical explanation of the 2% blending to be enough combined motivation to make my first post.

The sudden deluge of negativity seemed particularly jarring given the low key, pedestrian tone of this thread over the past week, with helpful if bland updates on individual members shipping updates, and little to no new offers from Cam (rightfully so) as he got the logistical end of his house in order.

Then an offer appeared, with an angry mob in tow, knives out, demanding your head (a recurring theme of this thread, I'm sure you've noticed). I was like "what the heck's going on?" before realizing it was Saturday night on a forum dedicated to people who love alcohol. Reminded me of people wanting to fight outside the club at 2am.

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Re: de Negoce offer

#7179 Post by Chris Crutchfield » November 16th, 2020, 11:13 am

<hr!s.L wrote:
November 16th, 2020, 9:41 am
Random question
Regarding OG 66, my order page on the website has the correct wine listed under "Product" but the SKU says OG65 (I was charged the correct amount for OG 66). I know this is one of the wines expected to ship this week and with the all the shipping snafus I'm slightly concerned about receiving the incorrect wine. I'm curious if anyone else has the incorrect SKU listed for their order of OG 66?
Yes, mine also says "OG65" in the SKU. I think it's just a typo.

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#7180 Post by Mark Morrissette » November 16th, 2020, 11:34 am

Chris Crutchfield wrote:
November 16th, 2020, 11:13 am
<hr!s.L wrote:
November 16th, 2020, 9:41 am
Random question
Regarding OG 66, my order page on the website has the correct wine listed under "Product" but the SKU says OG65 (I was charged the correct amount for OG 66). I know this is one of the wines expected to ship this week and with the all the shipping snafus I'm slightly concerned about receiving the incorrect wine. I'm curious if anyone else has the incorrect SKU listed for their order of OG 66?
Yes, mine also says "OG65" in the SKU. I think it's just a typo.
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#7181 Post by <hr!s.L » November 16th, 2020, 12:43 pm

@Chris and Mark, thank you for the confirmation; it's reassuring to know it's not a one-off mistake. I think I'll sit tight and just hope for the best.

Also, Mark, your helpful positive review of OG33 gave me the confidence to snag a stray case that popped up on dN's site Friday night. Thanks for sharing your experience [cheers.gif]
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#7182 Post by Mark Morrissette » November 16th, 2020, 1:02 pm

<hr!s.L wrote:
November 16th, 2020, 12:43 pm
@Chris and Mark, thank you for the confirmation; it's reassuring to know it's not a one-off mistake. I think I'll sit tight and just hope for the best.

Also, Mark, your helpful positive review of OG33 gave me the confidence to snag a stray case that popped up on dN's site Friday night. Thanks for sharing your experience [cheers.gif]
Excellent! Hope you enjoy it!

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#7183 Post by <hr!s.L » November 16th, 2020, 1:03 pm

EAScrog wrote:
November 16th, 2020, 11:02 am
Spot on! Great observation; my sudden burst of laughter scared my cats out of the room. [thumbs-up.gif]
It feels really good to know some cats got freaked out today - and I was apart of it [thankyou.gif]
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#7184 Post by JBucholz » November 16th, 2020, 2:36 pm

Rodrigo B wrote:
November 16th, 2020, 8:03 am

Some on the thread have previously suggested that Cam started filing for labels under a different name outside of de Negoce so people like us on this thread couldn't keep screening for upcoming offers. Not sure how doable that is per TBB nor how likely it is given that we're seeing some new offers on COLA
Why would he do that? Why would he care?
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#7185 Post by Chris Crutchfield » November 16th, 2020, 3:26 pm

N.57 2018 St. Helena Cabernet Sauvignon up on the site:
Do you folks remember N.41 St. Helena Cabernet release

Our next release, N.57 is effectively the same wine. The producer decided to free up another couple thousand gallons and we bottled it on October 2nd (vs. August 10th for N.41). I actually just tasted both wines and, funny thing, N.57 is actually showing better. This wild oscillation is typical of bottle shock (which particularly affects big Napa Valley Cabernet's) and you can expect it to wax and wane for another couple of months at a minimum. The only difference between the two wines is the final blend...97% St. Helena Cabernet plus 3% Spring Mountain Merlot we blended in for structure and to carry all the ripe fruit (for similar reasons N.41 saw 2% PV and 1% Merlot in the final blend).

Scoring 94-95 points from The Wine Advocate the last four vintages, this lush, hedonistic St. Helena Cabernet is a classic "Parker", petal-to-the-metal, blockbuster-styled wine. Barrel-fermented in 100% new French oak, its packed with exuberant and gorgeously pure fruit. Sensuous as hell, with a magnificent, palate-coating, tooth-staining structure, it drinks very well now but has all the stuffing to go another 15-20 years in your cellar. Once this wine is through bottle shock (probably 6 months from bottling date), it's open-knit structure will drink nicely. Of course, additional complexity will come with more time in bottle.

Dense purple in the glass, it exudes framboise, chocolate, brown sugar and boysenberry jam haloed with cedar and graphite while underscored with fruit cake and Christmas spice. Incredibly lush, succulent and creamy on the palate with loads of black fruit preserves, dark chocolate-covered cherries and plush tannins that caress the palate in a long, sensuous finish. Fantastic!

100% barrel-fermented in 100% new French Oak
97% Cabernet, 3% Merlot (Spring Mountain)
16.2% alc.
700 cases available
Bottled October 2nd, 2020

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#7186 Post by Rodrigo B » November 16th, 2020, 3:34 pm

JBucholz wrote:
November 16th, 2020, 2:36 pm
Rodrigo B wrote:
November 16th, 2020, 8:03 am

Some on the thread have previously suggested that Cam started filing for labels under a different name outside of de Negoce so people like us on this thread couldn't keep screening for upcoming offers. Not sure how doable that is per TBB nor how likely it is given that we're seeing some new offers on COLA
Why would he do that? Why would he care?
No idea. If I had to speculate having people know about most/all upcoming kinda spoils a bit of the surprise effectively goes against the ethos of de Negoce where you never really know when and what offer is coming next. I reckon it also diminishes FOMO s people have more time to consider offers.

Though all of those seem less valid when some offers are still being posted in COLA. Best guess to me is just that Cam hasn’t gotten around to it.
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#7187 Post by John O' » November 16th, 2020, 3:37 pm

[head-bang.gif] 16.2% alcohol
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#7188 Post by Eric White » November 16th, 2020, 3:38 pm

John O' wrote:
November 16th, 2020, 3:37 pm
[head-bang.gif] 16.2% alcohol
Exactly, holy crap!

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#7189 Post by Kevin Patrick » November 16th, 2020, 3:43 pm

Beringer or R&R Louer were the guesses on N.41

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#7190 Post by PeterH » November 16th, 2020, 3:51 pm

"Petal-to-the-metal"?, and the bottle shows Cab Franc on the label. Sounds like hot stuff. It should be a knockout with the crowds, but I'm ducking this one.
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#7191 Post by mikepf1 » November 16th, 2020, 3:53 pm

A little troubled by the reference to #41 in the #56 offer and the fact that they added PV and Merlot to the #41 to add structure and balance the alc.. #41 was sold as a shiner in the original description. Now I understand that technically a shiner is an unlabeled bottle but usually in this context it refers to a wine bottled by the winery and then sold unlabeled. Not sure what to make of this.
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#7192 Post by Rodrigo B » November 16th, 2020, 3:57 pm

Guess that should help narrow down the R&R Louer vs. Beringer debate for both #41 and #57. Anyone w/ a TWA subscription want to do some digging on the points+vintages?
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#7193 Post by Chris Crutchfield » November 16th, 2020, 4:02 pm

I think we pretty conclusively determined that it was R&R Louer back when N.41 was offered. Here's the last 4 vintages from Parker. It's also 100% barrel fermented.

I'm just surprised that they have such a large production for this wine to dump 1.7k cases like this.

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#7194 Post by Rodrigo B » November 16th, 2020, 4:11 pm

Chris Crutchfield wrote:
November 16th, 2020, 4:02 pm
I think we pretty conclusively determined that it was R&R Louer back when N.41 was offered. Here's the last 4 vintages from Parker. It's also 100% barrel fermented.

I'm just surprised that they have such a large production for this wine to dump 1.7k cases like this.
Guess that settles it. R&R Louer it is
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#7195 Post by Eric White » November 16th, 2020, 5:15 pm

so, with not a lotta interest in this latest offering (here, at least), I'd just like to mention - I'm really looking forward to the Fair Play releases. IF these are Cedarville (and I have no basis for this, other than hope) we could be in for a real treat, and a terrific value play...

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#7196 Post by Ron F r e e d » November 16th, 2020, 5:16 pm

I did a CT search for "Louer cabernet sauv" and only about 2800 bottles show up over the entire spectrum of producers and vintages. I know not everything is listed in CT, but the biggest holding is 2014 Roberts + Rogers Cabernet Sauvignon Louer Family St. Helena with 786 bottles. Not sure that the numerical disparity between CT inventory and this 700 case release (not to mention the previous release) makes sense to me.

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#7197 Post by Chris Crutchfield » November 16th, 2020, 5:26 pm

Ron F r e e d wrote:
November 16th, 2020, 5:16 pm
I did a CT search for "Louer cabernet sauv" and only about 2800 bottles show up over the entire spectrum of producers and vintages. I know not everything is listed in CT, but the biggest holding is 2014 Roberts + Rogers Cabernet Sauvignon Louer Family St. Helena with 786 bottles. Not sure that the numerical disparity between CT inventory and this 700 case release (not to mention the previous release) makes sense to me.
Well, for one, CT usually only reflects a small percentage of the wine that was produced. Secondly, not all of the barrels that R&R produce from the Louer vineyard go into the wine that is released. From their website: "Only the very best barrels are selected from his 34 acre estate to create this 100% Cabernet wine". So, once again, Cam may be playing some marketing tricks by saying that the wine we are getting is the same as what was released, however it could have just come from the same vineyard but barrels that did not make the cut. It's not clear.

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#7198 Post by Timothy B a l l a r d » November 16th, 2020, 5:28 pm

I beleive that R & R St Helena vineyard is ~34ac planted? 34ac X 3tons/ac = 102 tons x ~50 caes per ton (after racking and evaporation) = 5100 cases. maybe not all this Cabernet? But "doable" by my math.

The Louer Family Vineyard Cabernet Sauvignon showcases the culmination of Roger Louer's vast experience farming at his Ehlers Lane Estate Vineyards. Only the very best barrels are selected from his 34 acre estate to create this 100% Cabernet wine. The St Helena AVA microclimate is legendary for exceptional Cabernet, as cool morning breezes from the Pacific reach St Helena cooling the vines and delivering graceful, intense fruit with concentration and depth.

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#7199 Post by Gray G » November 16th, 2020, 6:54 pm

just received the #68, drinking very well just off the truck, thank you
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#7200 Post by Bob Chapman » November 17th, 2020, 11:22 am

Gonna presume there are some serious alcoholics ordering 50-100 cases. 365 days a year.

I was told some purchases are investment only. Money is accepted for purchase of wine. Delivery is “pending” for months until would be customer gives up and may get “deposit” back. The cancelled orders are rolled back in at the higher more profitable price. Some get the wine and some don’t. This keeps hope alive. The model was stated as customers would pay in advance for actual bulk purchases to guarantee cash flow.

In any event, I can’t know if this person is correct in this theory. It does seem that some get wine others wait months longer or still wait for. Is it “too good to be true”. Some of you seem to suggest you have purchased $20,000 worth of wine. It’s fascinating. It isn’t Bordeaux futures.

I am waiting to see this thread show all orders fulfilled. You toss bottles in cases. You ship. I ship all over the world. I see scans into the system in Asia. I get updated as the stuff marches to its destination. I buy wine. It comes.

This seems like nonsense.

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