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#3801 Post by john mccarty » September 15th, 2020, 3:57 pm

rsmithjr wrote:
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In case anyone missed out, this is back up on the de Negoce page: OG N.43 2018 Napa (Oakville/St. Helena) Cabernet Sauvignon
Sold out...

Predict a OG at 3:36 EDT today.....
wow, that was pretty close! e-mail announcement posted at 3:34PM

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#3802 Post by rsmithjr » September 15th, 2020, 3:58 pm

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For the record I missed it by 3 minutes....patting myself on back.....

LOL......

Enjoy fellow Berserkers...
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#3803 Post by MatthewT » September 15th, 2020, 3:58 pm

Already sold 300 cases in 35 minutes. This one will be sold out by 6 or 7PM PST.
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#3804 Post by David Buck » September 15th, 2020, 4:00 pm

rsmithjr wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 3:58 pm
For the record I missed it by 3 minutes....patting myself on back.....

LOL......

Enjoy fellow Berserkers...
Missed it by 3 hours and 3 minutes...no? EDT....Here we go with time again...lol

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#3805 Post by Rodrigo B » September 15th, 2020, 4:01 pm

Could this be Marimar? They have a 20-acre estate in Sebastopol with various of the clones Cam listed planted? Haven't checked too in depth as I'm on my phone
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#3806 Post by Lloyd A. Kasman » September 15th, 2020, 4:01 pm

MatthewT wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 3:58 pm
Already sold 300 cases in 35 minutes. This one will be sold out by 6 or 7PM PST.
This may have been asked before, however I missed it. How do you determine what has been sold so far. You guys are great!

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#3807 Post by Timothy B a l l a r d » September 15th, 2020, 4:02 pm

Goy my case...any thoughts on Producer? My good friend was GM at Paul Hobbs for a decade, not Hobbs IMO. He is a partner in CIRQ with Michael Browne, hard to refuse a good RRV at this price.

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#3808 Post by MatthewT » September 15th, 2020, 4:02 pm

Lloyd A. Kasman wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 4:01 pm
MatthewT wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 3:58 pm
Already sold 300 cases in 35 minutes. This one will be sold out by 6 or 7PM PST.
This may have been asked before, however I missed it. How do you determine what has been sold so far. You guys are great!
Only 100 times. :)

Add the wine to the cart, change the quantity to 1000 (can write it in), then click up arrow and it will reset to what is left.
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#3809 Post by Andy P. » September 15th, 2020, 4:03 pm

Rodrigo B wrote:
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Andy P. wrote:
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Far Niente Les Pommiers?
Les Pommiers had a 89 and 93 from Wine Spectator for 2016 and 2017 respectively. Cam said the scores were 93 and 92 for those years, so I don’t think it fits
Yep and it's $60 at winery and not north of $60 - maybe one of the other En Route Pinots which are $85?
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#3810 Post by Lloyd A. Kasman » September 15th, 2020, 4:06 pm

MatthewT wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 4:02 pm
Lloyd A. Kasman wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 4:01 pm
MatthewT wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 3:58 pm
Already sold 300 cases in 35 minutes. This one will be sold out by 6 or 7PM PST.
This may have been asked before, however I missed it. How do you determine what has been sold so far. You guys are great!
Only 100 times. :)

Add the wine to the cart, change the quantity to 1000 (can write it in), then click up arrow and it will reset to what is left.
Thanks.. Wow! And I thought I’ve been reading this blog pretty well. Thanks for the back door trick. Like I said you guys are great!

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#3811 Post by tpetty » September 15th, 2020, 4:06 pm

Huh. I didn't get an email for this one. Hope this isn't the start of the dreaded email problems that some have reported.

Not a big pinot fan, so pass for me anyway.

Given the specific scores/years given, winery for this should probably not be too hard for someone who is motivated to pin down.
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#3812 Post by Toby P » September 15th, 2020, 4:10 pm

tried searching those scores/vintages on Wine Enthusiast and didn't find any winery that matched both, at least for the same bottling (and price points, Russian River etc). Sojourn is close with their various bottlings, but doesn't totally line up
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#3813 Post by R. Cunningham » September 15th, 2020, 4:11 pm

Searched Wine Enthusiast's reviews and MacRostie was the only RRV Pinot with a 93 in 2016 and a 92 in 2017. Their vineyard specific labels would round up to $60.
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#3814 Post by PeterH » September 15th, 2020, 4:11 pm

David Bruce?
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#3815 Post by Brent S » September 15th, 2020, 4:12 pm

could be Sojourn. Maybe because of the sale they need to dump some juice quick.
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#3816 Post by Peter C. » September 15th, 2020, 4:13 pm

Dave Hauser wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 3:43 pm
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Dehlinger?
I'd love for that to be true, but would Dehlinger really give up 1000 cases?

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I never find cola notes in Dehlinger, thankfully, which is in the descriptor. What about William Selyem or however you spell it. Said pioneer....
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#3817 Post by Peter C. » September 15th, 2020, 4:14 pm

Brent S wrote:
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could be Sojourn. Maybe because of the sale they need to dump some juice quick.
Not a pioneer of Cali Pinot, per the description. Could be David Bruce...
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#3818 Post by DanielP » September 15th, 2020, 4:15 pm

I think the producer is David Bruce:

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/ ... clnk&gl=us
In 2007 David and Jeannette purchased a 17-acre parcel in the Russian River AVA, near the town of Sebastopol. The new David Bruce Estate vineyard originally contained a 5-acre Chardonnay vineyard surrounded by an apple orchard. The orchard has been removed, replaced by (what else?) 11 acres of Pinot Noir vines. The high-density vineyard is planted with 6-foot row spacing and 3-foot vine spacing, all on 420A rootstock. 420A is a difficult rootstock to manage, with a propensity for potassium deficiency, yet is a perfect match for Pinot Noir on many sites. Preventing excessive potassium content in the fruit allows David to produce wines of low pH, ideal for aging. Clones planted are 828, 115, 667, 777 and Pommard 05. David also grafted about 1 acre of the ranch to his DB (David Bruce) clone, which he finds to have some of the Old World character that he cherishes1. The vines are being pruned and trained to the single Guyot system, which will be perfect for the close vine spacings being used. Soils at the new estate vineyard are the coveted Goldridge soils, which are sandy soils with moderate water holding capacity and generally low fertility – perfect for Pinot Noir!
The 2016 David Bruce RRV Pinot is rated 93 points by WE which is consistent with the description, but I can't find a 2017 rating. Price is listed at $50, though I'm sure it could very be more expensive at the winery. Given the price that this is selling at, it would be surprising if the true market price was actually over $60. David Bruce would be consistent with the description as a California pioneer of Pinot, because he started in the SCM.

It's also possible it's a bottling that's only sold at the winery as a single estate vineyard. No idea then where the WE ratings would come from
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#3819 Post by tpetty » September 15th, 2020, 4:20 pm

Holy $h!t

Checked in my junk mail folder, to see if the pinot offer was in there. It was. Don't know why, the other offers didn't. But......

SCORE! MacDonald offer was in my junk folder too! I wouldn't have seen it if I hadn't been looking for the de Negoce. just spent more on those 3 bottles than several cases here, but gotta mix it up!
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#3821 Post by Lloyd A. Kasman » September 15th, 2020, 4:21 pm

About five minutes ago when I purchased OG 48 there was 558 cases left. Man can Cam move wine!

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#3822 Post by MatthewT » September 15th, 2020, 4:22 pm

DanielP wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 4:15 pm
I think the producer is David Bruce:

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/ ... clnk&gl=us
In 2007 David and Jeannette purchased a 17-acre parcel in the Russian River AVA, near the town of Sebastopol. The new David Bruce Estate vineyard originally contained a 5-acre Chardonnay vineyard surrounded by an apple orchard. The orchard has been removed, replaced by (what else?) 11 acres of Pinot Noir vines. The high-density vineyard is planted with 6-foot row spacing and 3-foot vine spacing, all on 420A rootstock. 420A is a difficult rootstock to manage, with a propensity for potassium deficiency, yet is a perfect match for Pinot Noir on many sites. Preventing excessive potassium content in the fruit allows David to produce wines of low pH, ideal for aging. Clones planted are 828, 115, 667, 777 and Pommard 05. David also grafted about 1 acre of the ranch to his DB (David Bruce) clone, which he finds to have some of the Old World character that he cherishes1. The vines are being pruned and trained to the single Guyot system, which will be perfect for the close vine spacings being used. Soils at the new estate vineyard are the coveted Goldridge soils, which are sandy soils with moderate water holding capacity and generally low fertility – perfect for Pinot Noir!
The 2016 David Bruce RRV Pinot is rated 93 points by WE which is consistent with the description, but I can't find a 2017 rating. Price is listed at $50, though I'm sure it could very be more expensive at the winery. Given the price that this is selling at, it would be surprising if the true market price was actually over $60. David Bruce would be consistent with the description as a California pioneer of Pinot, because he started in the SCM.

It's also possible it's a bottling that's only sold at the winery as a single estate vineyard. No idea then where the WE ratings would come from
think you're right. found this screen shot. guessing 838 is a typo from de Negoce.
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#3823 Post by PeterH » September 15th, 2020, 4:22 pm

Note: The David Bruce Sonoma property is a stone's throw from Kanzler.
And from WineBusiness "Clones planted are 828, 115, 667, 777 and Pommard 05"
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#3824 Post by MatthewT » September 15th, 2020, 4:23 pm

tpetty wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 4:20 pm
Holy $h!t

Checked in my junk mail folder, to see if the pinot offer was in there. It was. Don't know why, the other offers didn't. But......

SCORE! MacDonald offer was in my junk folder too! I wouldn't have seen it if I hadn't been looking for the de Negoce. just spent more on those 3 bottles than several cases here, but gotta mix it up!
lol, my favorite "I'm on the MACDONALD list and you're not" humblebrag to date on this website. champagne.gif champagne.gif champagne.gif
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#3825 Post by Eric White » September 15th, 2020, 4:24 pm

according to a little digging on winemag.com (based on this quote: "The 2016 and 2017 versions were given 93 and 92 points respectively by the Wine Enthusiast."), I believe this can only be one of the following:

MacRostie
Lynmar
Merry Edwards

I think the last is highly unlikely, I think MacRostie is the most likely candidate.
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#3826 Post by Eric White » September 15th, 2020, 4:25 pm

MacRostie 2017 Cummings Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley), 92 points, $58
MacRostie 2016 Thale's Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley), 93 points, $56

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#3827 Post by Russ Schultz » September 15th, 2020, 4:27 pm

I bought because I can.

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#3828 Post by MatthewT » September 15th, 2020, 4:28 pm

Eric White wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 4:25 pm
MacRostie 2017 Cummings Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley), 92 points, $58
MacRostie 2016 Thale's Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley), 93 points, $56
He was saying those scores are for the same blend we are getting, not two different blends. That's how I read it.

The 2016 and 2017 versions were given 93 and 92 points respectively by the Wine Enthusiast. This 2018 is their bottling blend as well.

The fact David Bruce lists 4 of the 5 exact clones w/ 1 only being off by 1 number and all the rest fits almost identically, to me, means it's them.

They also produce 80,000 cases annually.

http://www.princeofpinot.com/winery/419/
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#3829 Post by Curtis Chen » September 15th, 2020, 4:30 pm

MatthewT wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 4:23 pm
tpetty wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 4:20 pm
Holy $h!t

Checked in my junk mail folder, to see if the pinot offer was in there. It was. Don't know why, the other offers didn't. But......

SCORE! MacDonald offer was in my junk folder too! I wouldn't have seen it if I hadn't been looking for the de Negoce. just spent more on those 3 bottles than several cases here, but gotta mix it up!
lol, my favorite "I'm on the MACDONALD list and you're not" humblebrag to date on this website. champagne.gif champagne.gif champagne.gif
He's being enthusiastic over one of the most sought-after wines on a wine board. Don't be such a hater, brah.
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#3830 Post by Eric White » September 15th, 2020, 4:33 pm

MatthewT wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 4:28 pm
Eric White wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 4:25 pm
MacRostie 2017 Cummings Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley), 92 points, $58
MacRostie 2016 Thale's Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley), 93 points, $56
He was saying those scores are for the same blend we are getting, not two different blends. That's how I read it.

The 2016 and 2017 versions were given 93 and 92 points respectively by the Wine Enthusiast. This 2018 is their bottling blend as well.

The fact David Bruce lists 4 of the 5 exact clones w/ 1 only being off by 1 number and all the rest fits almost identically, to me, means it's them.

They also produce 80,000 cases annually.

http://www.princeofpinot.com/winery/419/
no David Brice wines are rated by Wine Enthusiast for 2017, only a 93 for a 2016, so I think they're out. I read the offer as the wine will be the same wine/blend that the winery offers, but that doesn't mean the referenced scores relate to the same wine.

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#3832 Post by Toby P » September 15th, 2020, 4:35 pm

MatthewT wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 4:28 pm
Eric White wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 4:25 pm
MacRostie 2017 Cummings Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley), 92 points, $58
MacRostie 2016 Thale's Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley), 93 points, $56
He was saying those scores are for the same blend we are getting, not two different blends. That's how I read it.

The 2016 and 2017 versions were given 93 and 92 points respectively by the Wine Enthusiast. This 2018 is their bottling blend as well.

The fact David Bruce lists 4 of the 5 exact clones w/ 1 only being off by 1 number and all the rest fits almost identically, to me, means it's them.

They also produce 80,000 cases annually.

http://www.princeofpinot.com/winery/419/
Does David Bruce have the scores, and the vineyard size / location? Def not Merry Edwards as he said in the email they are neighbors. Lynmar lines up for location, and actually mentions a 20 acre vineyard on their site (Susanna's vineyard) that could line up
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#3833 Post by DanielP » September 15th, 2020, 4:36 pm

Toby P wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 4:35 pm
MatthewT wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 4:28 pm
Eric White wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 4:25 pm
MacRostie 2017 Cummings Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley), 92 points, $58
MacRostie 2016 Thale's Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley), 93 points, $56
He was saying those scores are for the same blend we are getting, not two different blends. That's how I read it.

The 2016 and 2017 versions were given 93 and 92 points respectively by the Wine Enthusiast. This 2018 is their bottling blend as well.

The fact David Bruce lists 4 of the 5 exact clones w/ 1 only being off by 1 number and all the rest fits almost identically, to me, means it's them.

They also produce 80,000 cases annually.

http://www.princeofpinot.com/winery/419/
Does David Bruce have the scores, and the vineyard size / location? Def not Merry Edwards as he said in the email they are neighbors. Lynmar lines up for location, and actually mentions a 20 acre vineyard on their site (Susanna's vineyard) that could line up
As I posted above:
In 2007 David and Jeannette purchased a 17-acre parcel in the Russian River AVA, near the town of Sebastopol. The new David Bruce Estate vineyard originally contained a 5-acre Chardonnay vineyard surrounded by an apple orchard. The orchard has been removed, replaced by (what else?) 11 acres of Pinot Noir vines. The high-density vineyard is planted with 6-foot row spacing and 3-foot vine spacing, all on 420A rootstock. 420A is a difficult rootstock to manage, with a propensity for potassium deficiency, yet is a perfect match for Pinot Noir on many sites. Preventing excessive potassium content in the fruit allows David to produce wines of low pH, ideal for aging. Clones planted are 828, 115, 667, 777 and Pommard 05. David also grafted about 1 acre of the ranch to his DB (David Bruce) clone, which he finds to have some of the Old World character that he cherishes1. The vines are being pruned and trained to the single Guyot system, which will be perfect for the close vine spacings being used. Soils at the new estate vineyard are the coveted Goldridge soils, which are sandy soils with moderate water holding capacity and generally low fertility – perfect for Pinot Noir!
On the other hand, I'm banking on the fact that there's a typo on 828/838 one way or another.
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#3834 Post by MatthewT » September 15th, 2020, 4:38 pm

Eric White wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 4:33 pm
MatthewT wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 4:28 pm
Eric White wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 4:25 pm
MacRostie 2017 Cummings Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley), 92 points, $58
MacRostie 2016 Thale's Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley), 93 points, $56
He was saying those scores are for the same blend we are getting, not two different blends. That's how I read it.

The 2016 and 2017 versions were given 93 and 92 points respectively by the Wine Enthusiast. This 2018 is their bottling blend as well.

The fact David Bruce lists 4 of the 5 exact clones w/ 1 only being off by 1 number and all the rest fits almost identically, to me, means it's them.

They also produce 80,000 cases annually.

http://www.princeofpinot.com/winery/419/
no David Brice wines are rated by Wine Enthusiast for 2017, only a 93 for a 2016, so I think they're out. I read the offer as the wine will be the same wine/blend that the winery offers, but that doesn't mean the referenced scores relate to the same wine.
The 2016 and 2017 versions sure seems like the same wine as the 2018 being offered. He has referenced winery scores before and not sure language like that. I read it as the same wine we are buying (within reason of course).

Anyway, my wife will be drinking this so I will just tell her it's screaming eagle pinot.
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#3835 Post by ChrisWolff » September 15th, 2020, 4:38 pm

Merry Edwards has a few different Pinot's rated in that area and price range

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#3836 Post by R. Cunningham » September 15th, 2020, 4:40 pm

MatthewT wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 4:28 pm
Eric White wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 4:25 pm
MacRostie 2017 Cummings Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley), 92 points, $58
MacRostie 2016 Thale's Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley), 93 points, $56
He was saying those scores are for the same blend we are getting, not two different blends. That's how I read it.

The 2016 and 2017 versions were given 93 and 92 points respectively by the Wine Enthusiast. This 2018 is their bottling blend as well.

The fact David Bruce lists 4 of the 5 exact clones w/ 1 only being off by 1 number and all the rest fits almost identically, to me, means it's them.

They also produce 80,000 cases annually.

http://www.princeofpinot.com/winery/419/
4 of the 5 listed clones also happen to be "popular" clones.

https://vinepair.com/articles/pinot-noi ... s-popular/

I'm not sure Cam's list of clones considerably narrows the list of possible labels.
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#3837 Post by Timothy B a l l a r d » September 15th, 2020, 4:41 pm

Lynmar Estate website;
Lynn Fritz first purchased Quail Hill Ranch and Vineyards in 1980, drawn to the maritime climate and the authenticity of the rolling Russian River vineyards. The property has some of the oldest Pinot Noir and Chardonnay vines planted in the Russian River Valley. The grapes from these early vines were bought by Tony Soter and Merry Edwards to make wines considered to be some of the best in the Russian River Valley. Lynmar began a small winemaking activity in the early 1990s and produced small amounts of Pinot Noir and Chardonnay, which were extremely well received. Over the next 35 years, Lynn purchased several contiguous properties, which have been amalgamated into a single stunning estate bordered by the Laguna de Santa Rosa watershed.

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#3838 Post by Timothy B a l l a r d » September 15th, 2020, 4:42 pm

Paul Hobbs made the Lynmr Estate wines for a long time- uncertain if that's still the case.

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#3839 Post by DanielP » September 15th, 2020, 4:44 pm

R. Cunningham wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 4:40 pm
MatthewT wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 4:28 pm
Eric White wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 4:25 pm
MacRostie 2017 Cummings Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley), 92 points, $58
MacRostie 2016 Thale's Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley), 93 points, $56
He was saying those scores are for the same blend we are getting, not two different blends. That's how I read it.

The 2016 and 2017 versions were given 93 and 92 points respectively by the Wine Enthusiast. This 2018 is their bottling blend as well.

The fact David Bruce lists 4 of the 5 exact clones w/ 1 only being off by 1 number and all the rest fits almost identically, to me, means it's them.

They also produce 80,000 cases annually.

http://www.princeofpinot.com/winery/419/
4 of the 5 listed clones also happen to be "popular" clones.

https://vinepair.com/articles/pinot-noi ... s-popular/

I'm not sure Cam's list of clones considerably narrows the list of possible labels.
From a single vineyard site? And a ~20 acre one at that?

I'm almost positive the 838 is a typo. It does come up a few times when you google it, but I think it's all typos for 828.
For example, Parker reviewed the Bevan Petaluma Gap Pinot in 2013 and 2014. In 2013, he mentions 838, but changes the description to 828 in 2014. I don't think the vineyard manager just ripped out all the 838 vines and replaced them with 828 and had them ready to make wine the following year.

https://www.klwines.com/p/i?i=1200388
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#3840 Post by Eric White » September 15th, 2020, 4:45 pm

What I did was to search for keyword "Russian" (since this is clearly a RRV Pinot), Pinot Noir as the variatal, and price from $50-$70, then I filtered my results on:
- 90-93 scores
- vintage 2016 & 2017
then I sorted by score, scraped everything 92-93, dumped it in a text file, and then "grep Russian | sort"

Armida 2016 Castelli Knight Ranch Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Balletto 2016 Burnside Road Vineyard Estate Grown Estate Bottled Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Balletto 2016 Sexton Hill Vineyard Estate Grown Estate Bottled Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Balletto 2017 BCD Vineyard Estate Grown Estate Bottled Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Benovia 2016 Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Cartograph 2017 Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Cattleya 2017 Cuvée Number One Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
David Bruce 2016 Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Davis Family 2016 Dutton Ranch Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
De Loach 2016 Maboroshi Vineyard Sebastopol Hills Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Domaine Della 2017 Graham Family Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Dutton-Goldfield 2016 Freestone Hill Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Dutton-Goldfield 2017 Dutton Ranch Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Dutton-Goldfield 2017 Freestone Hill Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
E16 2016 Hawks Roost Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Emeritus 2016 Hallberg Ranch Wesley's Reserve Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Emeritus 2016 Pinot Hill West Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
EnRoute 2017 Les Pommiers Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Freeman 2016 Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Furthermore 2016 Graton Ridge Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Gary Farrell 2016 Hallberg Vineyard-Dijon Clones Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Gary Farrell 2016 Russian River Selection Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Gary Farrell 2016 Toboni Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Hartford Court 2017 MacLean's Block Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Holdredge 2016 Bucher Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Holdredge 2016 Judgment Tree Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Inman Family 2016 OGV Estate Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
J Vineyards & Winery 2016 Eastside Knoll Vineyard Estate Grown Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Joseph Jewell 2016 Martini Clone Old Girls Starscape Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Joseph Jewell 2017 Bucher Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Landmark 2016 Rayhill Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Lynmar 2016 Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Lynmar 2016 Quail Hill Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Lynmar Estate 2017 Adam's Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Lynmar Estate 2017 Quail Hill Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
MacRostie 2016 Thale's Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
MacRostie 2017 Cummings Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Marimar 2016 La Masía Don Miguel Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Maritana 2017 Le Russe Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Merry Edwards 2016 Bucher Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Merry Edwards 2016 Georganne Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Merry Edwards 2016 Klopp Ranch Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Merry Edwards 2016 Meredith Estate Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Merry Edwards 2017 Klopp Ranch Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Merry Edwards 2017 Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Merry Edwards 2017 Warrens' Hill Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Migration 2016 Running Creek Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Patz & Hall 2017 Bootlegger's Hill Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Russian River Vineyards 2016 Bella Luna Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Russian River Vineyards 2016 Horseridge Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Siduri 2016 Barbieri Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Siduri 2016 Ewald Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Siduri 2016 Perry Ranch Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Small Vines 2016 Estate Cuvée Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Sojourn 2017 Wohler Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Square Peg 2017 Estate Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
The Calling 2017 Sunny View Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Thomas George 2016 Baker Ridge Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Thompson 31fifty Wine 2016 Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Venge 2016 Bacigalupi Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Williams Selyem 2016 Calegari Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Williams Selyem 2016 Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA

All one-liners can be eliminated, and those with only 2016 or only 2017 can be eliminated, which leaves only the three I listed.

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#3841 Post by DanielP » September 15th, 2020, 4:47 pm

Eric, you weren't the only one to do that...
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#3842 Post by MatthewT » September 15th, 2020, 4:47 pm

Eric White wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 4:45 pm
What I did was to search for keyword "Russian" (since this is clearly a RRV Pinot), Pinot Noir as the variatal, and price from $50-$70, then I filtered my results on:
- 90-93 scores
- vintage 2016 & 2017
then I sorted by score, scraped everything 92-93, dumped it in a text file, and then "grep Russian | sort"

Armida 2016 Castelli Knight Ranch Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Balletto 2016 Burnside Road Vineyard Estate Grown Estate Bottled Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Balletto 2016 Sexton Hill Vineyard Estate Grown Estate Bottled Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Balletto 2017 BCD Vineyard Estate Grown Estate Bottled Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Benovia 2016 Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Cartograph 2017 Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Cattleya 2017 Cuvée Number One Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
David Bruce 2016 Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Davis Family 2016 Dutton Ranch Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
De Loach 2016 Maboroshi Vineyard Sebastopol Hills Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Domaine Della 2017 Graham Family Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Dutton-Goldfield 2016 Freestone Hill Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Dutton-Goldfield 2017 Dutton Ranch Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Dutton-Goldfield 2017 Freestone Hill Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
E16 2016 Hawks Roost Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Emeritus 2016 Hallberg Ranch Wesley's Reserve Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Emeritus 2016 Pinot Hill West Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
EnRoute 2017 Les Pommiers Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Freeman 2016 Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Furthermore 2016 Graton Ridge Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Gary Farrell 2016 Hallberg Vineyard-Dijon Clones Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Gary Farrell 2016 Russian River Selection Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Gary Farrell 2016 Toboni Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Hartford Court 2017 MacLean's Block Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Holdredge 2016 Bucher Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Holdredge 2016 Judgment Tree Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Inman Family 2016 OGV Estate Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
J Vineyards & Winery 2016 Eastside Knoll Vineyard Estate Grown Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Joseph Jewell 2016 Martini Clone Old Girls Starscape Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Joseph Jewell 2017 Bucher Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Landmark 2016 Rayhill Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Lynmar 2016 Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Lynmar 2016 Quail Hill Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Lynmar Estate 2017 Adam's Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Lynmar Estate 2017 Quail Hill Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
MacRostie 2016 Thale's Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
MacRostie 2017 Cummings Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Marimar 2016 La Masía Don Miguel Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Maritana 2017 Le Russe Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Merry Edwards 2016 Bucher Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Merry Edwards 2016 Georganne Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Merry Edwards 2016 Klopp Ranch Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Merry Edwards 2016 Meredith Estate Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Merry Edwards 2017 Klopp Ranch Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Merry Edwards 2017 Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Merry Edwards 2017 Warrens' Hill Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Migration 2016 Running Creek Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Patz & Hall 2017 Bootlegger's Hill Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Russian River Vineyards 2016 Bella Luna Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Russian River Vineyards 2016 Horseridge Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Siduri 2016 Barbieri Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Siduri 2016 Ewald Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Siduri 2016 Perry Ranch Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Small Vines 2016 Estate Cuvée Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Sojourn 2017 Wohler Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Square Peg 2017 Estate Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
The Calling 2017 Sunny View Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Thomas George 2016 Baker Ridge Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Thompson 31fifty Wine 2016 Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Venge 2016 Bacigalupi Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Williams Selyem 2016 Calegari Vineyard Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA
Williams Selyem 2016 Pinot Noir (Russian River Valley) SONOMA

All one-liners can be eliminated, and those with only 2016 or only 2017 can be eliminated, which leaves only the three I listed.


Retailing for well north of $60/bottle at the winery

That could be $120! [snort.gif] champagne.gif [snort.gif]. At least use $85 as the upper band.
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#3843 Post by Timothy B a l l a r d » September 15th, 2020, 4:54 pm

Cam said:
Its neighbors include the Dutton Ranches multiple vineyards in the southern part of Green Valley along with Kanzler, Martinelli and Merry Edwards and I think its fair to say this producer ranks in these vaunted circles.

Is David Bruce in that company?

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#3844 Post by DanielP » September 15th, 2020, 4:55 pm

Timothy B a l l a r d wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 4:54 pm
Cam said:
Its neighbors include the Dutton Ranches multiple vineyards in the southern part of Green Valley along with Kanzler, Martinelli and Merry Edwards and I think its fair to say this producer ranks in these vaunted circles.

Is David Bruce in that company?
Yes, probably more so than any other realistic winery listed here.

http://www.princeofpinot.com/winery/419/
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#3845 Post by PeterH » September 15th, 2020, 4:59 pm

The David Bruce Sonoma property is near Martinelli-Biondi, Kanzler, and Meredith Estate (Merry Edwards).

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#3846 Post by Eric White » September 15th, 2020, 5:01 pm

DanielP wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 4:47 pm
Eric, you weren't the only one to do that...
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#3847 Post by MatthewT » September 15th, 2020, 5:02 pm

Also the David Bruce wine's discounted into the 30's on the web would actually be even more evidence it's likely them.

I'll take a 13 for a real 35, which is usually how I look at this stuff. I cut the "retail price" in half and then examine the rest.
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#3848 Post by Juliec » September 15th, 2020, 5:03 pm

Not sure why everyone is ruling out DeLoach green valley rrv . It fits. Not sure where david Bruce is, it could be him too.
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#3849 Post by Eric Michels » September 15th, 2020, 5:09 pm

I bought on the off-chance that it is Merry Edwards (though hard for me to believe that it is).

What David Bruce bottlings match the price point (ignoring that we can't find scores that line up)? MacRostie isn't "north of $60" and I can't find any price/clone/location matches for Lynmar. Also, Merry Edwards seems to fit the "pioneering" label better than Lynmar or MacRostie.

(Edited to note that I just realized that the email notes it ranks in the same circles as Merry Edwards so can't be Merry Edwards.)
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#3850 Post by DanielP » September 15th, 2020, 5:12 pm

Eric Michels wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 5:09 pm
I bought on the off-chance that it is Merry Edwards (though hard for me to believe that it is).

What David Bruce bottlings match the price point (ignoring that we can't find scores that line up)? MacRostie isn't "north of $60" and I can't find any price/clone/location matches for Lynmar. Also, Merry Edwards seems to fit the "pioneering" label better than Lynmar or MacRostie.
There's roughly a 0.0% chance it's Merry Edwards given that Merry Edwards is a winery that is mentioned in the description. Even if you think he's being tricky, what sort of NDA allows the name of the winery to be listed in the description?

David Bruce bottlings are listed at retail anywhere from 35-50 dollars, which matches up well with what the wine is currently being offering for. Given that the description refers to the price at the winery itself, and the winery's website is pretty much in shambles, it's hard to know what that winery price is.
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September 15th, 2020, 5:03 pm
Not sure why everyone is ruling out DeLoach green valley rrv . It fits. Not sure where david Bruce is, it could be him too.
The Green Valley bottling is $45 on the winery site and is made from multiple sites. This offering seems to be from a single site.
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