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#10401 Post by John O' »

the 15% off deal in the bottle shop isn't working. Contacted cust svc - crickets.
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#10402 Post by Cameron Hughes »

John O' wrote: August 21st, 2021, 2:13 pm the 15% off deal in the bottle shop isn't working. Contacted cust svc - crickets.
Hi John - apologies for that...we had that happen to a 2 other people and have been unable to pinpoint what caused it: we had plenty of other orders come in so it seems like it was localized. Nevertheless, its frustrating.

Anyhow, let me know if you would still like to place an order and we can make sure you get credited properly.

Again, apologies for the glitch.
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#10403 Post by Cameron Hughes »

Stephen Faulkner wrote: August 21st, 2021, 5:06 am FYI - You might want to check your orders as I just got an email that de Negoce shipped my wine yesterday despite "holding for cooler weather"; highs in upper 90s-100 don't fit my idea of cooler weather.
HI All - regarding shipping, we look at a variety of things including the shipping route and anticipated temps at the time of delivery as well as the daytime/nighttime temp delta (diurnal swing). We are shipping because the shipping routes looked pretty good and most end destinations where we shipped were anticipated the be below 95 degrees. As I have said previously, all of these wines have been crossflow filtered so the only enemy is oxidation. It takes a lot of heat to get a wine to push corks and allow oxygen ingress so we felt it would be OK to ship. We've shipped tens of thousands of packages this summer according to this formula and have only had a handful of incidents with heat damage (and half of those were shipments at the customers request). I should add that if we ship a package at our behest and it gets damaged we will replace it.

Having said that, I can appreciate the concern but please know we do not just ship willy nilly. My guys look very carefully at these temp ranges and plan accordingly.

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#10404 Post by Stephen Faulkner »

Cameron Hughes wrote: August 23rd, 2021, 11:44 am
Stephen Faulkner wrote: August 21st, 2021, 5:06 am FYI - You might want to check your orders as I just got an email that de Negoce shipped my wine yesterday despite "holding for cooler weather"; highs in upper 90s-100 don't fit my idea of cooler weather.
HI All - regarding shipping, we look at a variety of things including the shipping route and anticipated temps at the time of delivery as well as the daytime/nighttime temp delta (diurnal swing). We are shipping because the shipping routes looked pretty good and most end destinations where we shipped were anticipated the be below 95 degrees. As I have said previously, all of these wines have been crossflow filtered so the only enemy is oxidation. It takes a lot of heat to get a wine to push corks and allow oxygen ingress so we felt it would be OK to ship. We've shipped tens of thousands of packages this summer according to this formula and have only had a handful of incidents with heat damage (and half of those were shipments at the customers request). I should add that if we ship a package at our behest and it gets damaged we will replace it.

Having said that, I can appreciate the concern but please know we do not just ship willy nilly. My guys look very carefully at these temp ranges and plan accordingly.

Cameron
Thanks, Cameron, for the clarifications and, no surprise, Mickey has already responded to my email putting things right (don't lose Mickey!). While I would normally pass this off as things that can happen, I am a little concerned by your clarifications since you seem to be saying this is not a mistake, but intentional given your business model and I want to make sure I understand before purchasing any more wine.

While others may not care when/how wines they purchased are shipped/handled, that is really not relevant to my purchases. The offers said they would ship "weather permitting" and I requested these be held for "cooler shipping weather" because of my concerns with temperatures in May/June and was told it was not a problem. While "cooler shipping weather" was not specifically defined, I think the most reasonable interpretation of that exchange is cooler than May/June temps and most would not think that "weather permitting" means anytime below 95 degrees. While I appreciate your crossflow filtration comment, there are other Berserkers more knowledgeable than I who have questioned that, so I prefer to err on the side of caution especially since I intend to hold these wines for many years per your descriptions. Otherwise, it will always be a question mark anytime a bottle doesn't live up to expectations and asking for replacements at that time is not really feasible. All of which is easily avoided with better communication including a simple notification before wines are actually shipped. Thank you.

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#10405 Post by Bob Hoelting »

Does anyone here remember In Living Color?

The question is, “How many de Negoce’s you got, mon?”


I’m in for 44 different OG’s, so far. Tried about 16 of them and all but one have been exceptional buys

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#10406 Post by Chr!s G|@rn3r »

As far as shipping goes, at the very least when someone buys “summer hold” as it is called, wine should be held through summer (Sept. 21st.) unless the customer agrees in writing to have it shipped earlier. There definitely should not be any customers getting random notifications that their wine has shipped when they purchased “summer hold”.

This was an issue last year as well, and I thought communication from Cam and team clarified that there would be no surprise shipments.

One of the emails from de negoce even stated the following, specifically stating summer hold purchases would hold wine until “fall” which is Sept. 22nd.

“ If you have any questions or concerns or would like an order placed into the Summer Hold program for Fall shipping, please reach out to Support@denegoce.com.”

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#10407 Post by Peter G »

Cameron Hughes wrote: August 23rd, 2021, 11:44 am
Stephen Faulkner wrote: August 21st, 2021, 5:06 am FYI - You might want to check your orders as I just got an email that de Negoce shipped my wine yesterday despite "holding for cooler weather"; highs in upper 90s-100 don't fit my idea of cooler weather.
HI All - regarding shipping, we look at a variety of things including the shipping route and anticipated temps at the time of delivery as well as the daytime/nighttime temp delta (diurnal swing). We are shipping because the shipping routes looked pretty good and most end destinations where we shipped were anticipated the be below 95 degrees. As I have said previously, all of these wines have been crossflow filtered so the only enemy is oxidation. It takes a lot of heat to get a wine to push corks and allow oxygen ingress so we felt it would be OK to ship. We've shipped tens of thousands of packages this summer according to this formula and have only had a handful of incidents with heat damage (and half of those were shipments at the customers request). I should add that if we ship a package at our behest and it gets damaged we will replace it.

Having said that, I can appreciate the concern but please know we do not just ship willy nilly. My guys look very carefully at these temp ranges and plan accordingly.

Cameron

Thanks for the update Cam.

I've got the 197 shiner coming. Same deal on filtering, etcetera? I'm really looking forward to the sarsaparilla and gunsmoke notes.
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#10408 Post by Cameron Hughes »

Stephen Faulkner wrote: August 23rd, 2021, 3:19 pm
Cameron Hughes wrote: August 23rd, 2021, 11:44 am
Stephen Faulkner wrote: August 21st, 2021, 5:06 am FYI - You might want to check your orders as I just got an email that de Negoce shipped my wine yesterday despite "holding for cooler weather"; highs in upper 90s-100 don't fit my idea of cooler weather.
HI All - regarding shipping, we look at a variety of things including the shipping route and anticipated temps at the time of delivery as well as the daytime/nighttime temp delta (diurnal swing). We are shipping because the shipping routes looked pretty good and most end destinations where we shipped were anticipated the be below 95 degrees. As I have said previously, all of these wines have been crossflow filtered so the only enemy is oxidation. It takes a lot of heat to get a wine to push corks and allow oxygen ingress so we felt it would be OK to ship. We've shipped tens of thousands of packages this summer according to this formula and have only had a handful of incidents with heat damage (and half of those were shipments at the customers request). I should add that if we ship a package at our behest and it gets damaged we will replace it.

Having said that, I can appreciate the concern but please know we do not just ship willy nilly. My guys look very carefully at these temp ranges and plan accordingly.

Cameron
Thanks, Cameron, for the clarifications and, no surprise, Mickey has already responded to my email putting things right (don't lose Mickey!). While I would normally pass this off as things that can happen, I am a little concerned by your clarifications since you seem to be saying this is not a mistake, but intentional given your business model and I want to make sure I understand before purchasing any more wine.

While others may not care when/how wines they purchased are shipped/handled, that is really not relevant to my purchases. The offers said they would ship "weather permitting" and I requested these be held for "cooler shipping weather" because of my concerns with temperatures in May/June and was told it was not a problem. While "cooler shipping weather" was not specifically defined, I think the most reasonable interpretation of that exchange is cooler than May/June temps and most would not think that "weather permitting" means anytime below 95 degrees. While I appreciate your crossflow filtration comment, there are other Berserkers more knowledgeable than I who have questioned that, so I prefer to err on the side of caution especially since I intend to hold these wines for many years per your descriptions. Otherwise, it will always be a question mark anytime a bottle doesn't live up to expectations and asking for replacements at that time is not really feasible. All of which is easily avoided with better communication including a simple notification before wines are actually shipped. Thank you.
Hey Stephen - sorry, didn't realize you had put your wines on Summer Hold. Yes, if they are on hold they should stay on hold. So, just this week are are migrating to a new software platform to manage shipping that will minimize these types of shipping errors - indeed, if its on hold and it ships it certainly an error and I didn't mean to indicate otherwise. Thanks for your support and, yes, Mickey is a gem!
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#10409 Post by Cameron Hughes »

Chr!s G|@rn3r wrote: August 24th, 2021, 9:12 am As far as shipping goes, at the very least when someone buys “summer hold” as it is called, wine should be held through summer (Sept. 21st.) unless the customer agrees in writing to have it shipped earlier. There definitely should not be any customers getting random notifications that their wine has shipped when they purchased “summer hold”.

This was an issue last year as well, and I thought communication from Cam and team clarified that there would be no surprise shipments.

One of the emails from de negoce even stated the following, specifically stating summer hold purchases would hold wine until “fall” which is Sept. 22nd.

“ If you have any questions or concerns or would like an order placed into the Summer Hold program for Fall shipping, please reach out to Support@denegoce.com.”
totally agree, see my previous note. Summer Hold for us last through to October 15th or thereabouts.

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#10410 Post by Gray G »

Bob Hoelting wrote: August 24th, 2021, 7:12 am Does anyone here remember In Living Color?

The question is, “How many de Negoce’s you got, mon?”


I’m in for 44 different OG’s, so far. Tried about 16 of them and all but one have been exceptional buys
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#10411 Post by Chr!s G|@rn3r »

Cameron Hughes wrote: August 24th, 2021, 10:42 am
Chr!s G|@rn3r wrote: August 24th, 2021, 9:12 am As far as shipping goes, at the very least when someone buys “summer hold” as it is called, wine should be held through summer (Sept. 21st.) unless the customer agrees in writing to have it shipped earlier. There definitely should not be any customers getting random notifications that their wine has shipped when they purchased “summer hold”.

This was an issue last year as well, and I thought communication from Cam and team clarified that there would be no surprise shipments.

One of the emails from de negoce even stated the following, specifically stating summer hold purchases would hold wine until “fall” which is Sept. 22nd.

“ If you have any questions or concerns or would like an order placed into the Summer Hold program for Fall shipping, please reach out to Support@denegoce.com.”
totally agree, see my previous note. Summer Hold for us last through to October 15th or thereabouts.
Thanks for responding. I guess the folks with the recent gripes in this thread didn’t purchase summer holds…

I’ve got about 8 cases being held so glad to have confirmation.

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#10412 Post by Mark Morrissette »

Just to offer a positive view on dN shipping: I have found it to be working very well.

I live in Maine, where extreme temperatures are a winter-thing, not so much a summer-thing. I have ordered (too) many cases of dN, and only purchased summer hold on one case (#200), relying on Cam's explanation of their shipping "algorithm," as he described above.

I have found it has worked really well. For several weeks, as super-hot temperatures raged across the county, I go not shipments. As temps cooled a bit here in Maine, and across the country, I got shipping notifications, and everything arrived in great conditions, and on relatively cool days (generally 75 or less).

As it warmed up, shipments stopped. When it cooled down, they started again.

YRMV, but count me as a happy-camper on dN shipping, even without summer-hold.

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#10413 Post by HoosJustinG »

Cameron Hughes wrote: August 24th, 2021, 10:42 am
Chr!s G|@rn3r wrote: August 24th, 2021, 9:12 am As far as shipping goes, at the very least when someone buys “summer hold” as it is called, wine should be held through summer (Sept. 21st.) unless the customer agrees in writing to have it shipped earlier. There definitely should not be any customers getting random notifications that their wine has shipped when they purchased “summer hold”.

This was an issue last year as well, and I thought communication from Cam and team clarified that there would be no surprise shipments.

One of the emails from de negoce even stated the following, specifically stating summer hold purchases would hold wine until “fall” which is Sept. 22nd.

“ If you have any questions or concerns or would like an order placed into the Summer Hold program for Fall shipping, please reach out to Support@denegoce.com.”
totally agree, see my previous note. Summer Hold for us last through to October 15th or thereabouts.
Speaking of Summer shipping ... I ordered a few steaks from you that came thawed (single dry ice pack didn't cut it in FL). I emailed customer service back mid-week last week, and it's been crickets thus far. Are you able to help expedite a reply? As I told them, the steaks were partially or fully thawed, but fairly cool to the touch. I'm less concerned about food poisoning and more concerned about losing moisture in the re-freeze (I had to leave town the day they came in, so cooking them up right away was not an option).
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#10414 Post by Dave Kosovec »

I also missed on the summer sale over the weekend, as the site was (and still is) saying no shipping to PA allowed. I've placed multiple orders from de Negoce (and other retailers) shipped to PA with no issues. Haven't heard anything back from my email to customer support. Anyone else having issues with new shipping restrictions?

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OG is tongue in cheek for Original Gangster....OG
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#10416 Post by Gray G »

rsmithjr wrote: August 24th, 2021, 2:45 pm OG is tongue in cheek for Original Gangster....OG
LOL, well this DeNegoce is definitely like a takeover by a gangster
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#10417 Post by Cameron Hughes »

HoosJustinG wrote: August 24th, 2021, 12:19 pm
Cameron Hughes wrote: August 24th, 2021, 10:42 am
Chr!s G|@rn3r wrote: August 24th, 2021, 9:12 am As far as shipping goes, at the very least when someone buys “summer hold” as it is called, wine should be held through summer (Sept. 21st.) unless the customer agrees in writing to have it shipped earlier. There definitely should not be any customers getting random notifications that their wine has shipped when they purchased “summer hold”.

This was an issue last year as well, and I thought communication from Cam and team clarified that there would be no surprise shipments.

One of the emails from de negoce even stated the following, specifically stating summer hold purchases would hold wine until “fall” which is Sept. 22nd.

“ If you have any questions or concerns or would like an order placed into the Summer Hold program for Fall shipping, please reach out to Support@denegoce.com.”
totally agree, see my previous note. Summer Hold for us last through to October 15th or thereabouts.
Speaking of Summer shipping ... I ordered a few steaks from you that came thawed (single dry ice pack didn't cut it in FL). I emailed customer service back mid-week last week, and it's been crickets thus far. Are you able to help expedite a reply? As I told them, the steaks were partially or fully thawed, but fairly cool to the touch. I'm less concerned about food poisoning and more concerned about losing moisture in the re-freeze (I had to leave town the day they came in, so cooking them up right away was not an option).
Yeah, while it might appear we shipped it with just an ice pack, we actually shipped it with dry ice which evaporates. The ice pack goes in the box thawed out or room temp. The purpose of the ice pack is to soak up the cold dissipating off the dry ice to allow for less escape and then redeploy the cold back to the steaks to keep them frozen once the DI is fully sublimated. Sounds like the steaks are fine and they should be good for another two weeks or more in their packaging. If you aren't going to cook them now, then you can re-freeze them if you like just be sure they are sitting solo with nothing stacked.

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#10418 Post by HoosJustinG »

Cameron Hughes wrote: August 24th, 2021, 2:57 pm
HoosJustinG wrote: August 24th, 2021, 12:19 pm
Cameron Hughes wrote: August 24th, 2021, 10:42 am

totally agree, see my previous note. Summer Hold for us last through to October 15th or thereabouts.
Speaking of Summer shipping ... I ordered a few steaks from you that came thawed (single dry ice pack didn't cut it in FL). I emailed customer service back mid-week last week, and it's been crickets thus far. Are you able to help expedite a reply? As I told them, the steaks were partially or fully thawed, but fairly cool to the touch. I'm less concerned about food poisoning and more concerned about losing moisture in the re-freeze (I had to leave town the day they came in, so cooking them up right away was not an option).
Yeah, while it might appear we shipped it with just an ice pack, we actually shipped it with dry ice which evaporates. The ice pack goes in the box thawed out or room temp. The purpose of the ice pack is to soak up the cold dissipating off the dry ice to allow for less escape and then redeploy the cold back to the steaks to keep them frozen once the DI is fully sublimated. Sounds like the steaks are fine and they should be good for another two weeks or more in their packaging. If you aren't going to cook them now, then you can re-freeze them if you like just be sure they are sitting solo with nothing stacked.
Appreciate the explanation. I’m aware of how dry ice works — I was just saying that I don’t believe enough was used in this case to keep the steaks frozen for their trip to Florida as they all arrived either fully or partially thawed. To be clear: are you saying that the steaks will not lose moisture in the re-freeze? If so, that’s great news — it’s just counter to what I’ve heard before about re-freezing meat.

A second question: My understanding is certain cuts of wagyu have very low saturated fat and cholesterol content since nearly all the fat is unsaturated. As somebody that’s supposed to be on a low saturated fat diet, this is great news. I don’t see nutrition facts listed online, but do any of the steaks you sell fit in that description?
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#10419 Post by Edward Voss »

Missed the sale and half the wines I was going to pick up are out of stock. I guess I'll have to wait for the next rotation.

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#10420 Post by Kyle S chaffer »

I too am a little concerned about the shipping procedures.... other wineries I deal with ship with extreme caution and just don't risk it in the summer. I trusted they would be smart about when to ship and now my wine is on it's way with 90-94 degree days on route. I guess I could have paid the $5 for peace of mind but that feels a bit extortion-y. Plus that puts a hold on things til mid-October and since I live in New England, well before that should be fine. Most weeks are fine, unfortunately they chose a bad one to ship. I agree with the earlier poster that, although Cam says don't worry about heat unless it crosses 95 degrees, I prefer to be a bit more cautious, otherwise years from now if a bottle underperforms it leaves me wondering.

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#10421 Post by Chr!s G|@rn3r »

As the shipping conversation continues and it seems that everyone has a different view of what is okay and what is not, it may make the most sense for DN to just plainly state options at checkout as follows:

1. Wine will ship as soon as possible after ordering.
Or
2. You buy summer hold and it will ship in the fall.

That would take the subjectivity out of the process and make it clear to consumers what will happen if they don’t pay for summer hold. I know DNs low margin model doesn’t really account for storage costs which is why they want to ship ASAP. It would also eliminate the need to monitor weather patterns which seems hit or miss as a strategy, at least as far as customers are concerned which is really all that matters. More people would then buy summer hold which to me is a fair price and practice that I pay for every order. That would allow DN to better estimate and pay for storage needs.

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#10422 Post by ChrisWolff »

Kyle S chaffer wrote: August 25th, 2021, 10:21 am I too am a little concerned about the shipping procedures.... other wineries I deal with ship with extreme caution and just don't risk it in the summer. I trusted they would be smart about when to ship and now my wine is on it's way with 90-94 degree days on route. I guess I could have paid the $5 for peace of mind but that feels a bit extortion-y. Plus that puts a hold on things til mid-October and since I live in New England, well before that should be fine. Most weeks are fine, unfortunately they chose a bad one to ship. I agree with the earlier poster that, although Cam says don't worry about heat unless it crosses 95 degrees, I prefer to be a bit more cautious, otherwise years from now if a bottle underperforms it leaves me wondering.
Saying you’re really concerned about summer shipping and then saying you’re not willing to spend $5 on a summer hold that every other customer uses, doesn’t make any sense

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#10423 Post by Paul Flynn »

De Negoce shipping with a summer hold is cheaper now than shipping was originally. $24 vs. $29 a case. That's a pretty good deal in my book.
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#10424 Post by Gray G »

why live in New England if you love wine?
the US West Coast is where the good wine is.
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#10425 Post by J Vannes »

rsmithjr wrote: August 24th, 2021, 2:45 pm OG is tongue in cheek for Original Gangster....OG
It's actually short for "OG where do I put all this wine whose drinking window opens in 2023..."
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#10426 Post by Gray G »

J Vannes wrote: August 26th, 2021, 9:39 pm
rsmithjr wrote: August 24th, 2021, 2:45 pm OG is tongue in cheek for Original Gangster....OG
It's actually short for "OG where do I put all this wine whose drinking window opens in 2023..."
actually just an F would do for that, LOL
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#10427 Post by Timothy B a l l a r d »

Those of you interested in Lot 125 and Lot 126 (same producer):
125 is likely Carpe Diem from Domaine Anderson brand. Very good medium body PN. Bought a case at $10, beats many $35-$45 PNs I've had. Your tastes may vary.
126 is believed to be the Anderson Valley "Estate" PN:

https://www.domaineanderson.com/wines/estate-wines/#

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#10428 Post by K Kl@dder »

Anyone know how to work the COLA registry? I'm curious to see what Cam has coming, and when I look it up, I only see wines already released. Total user error...
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#10429 Post by Timothy B a l l a r d »

Keith,
enter date say back to last Sept (2020) and end date today, search "de Negoce". Last entry I see is Lot 214 Coombsville. 7-14-21.

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#10430 Post by Eric White »

I dunno why this operation can't seem to dial in shipping. I got a email of an upcoming delivery, asked it NOT be shipped this week since I am out of town. Mickey assured me it wouldn't ship until after the 30th, and lo-and-behold - delivery attempt today, and now it sits in a UPS facility all weekend. Come on guys, other companies have figured out logistics, why can't you?

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#10431 Post by Eric White »

Eric White wrote: August 27th, 2021, 2:57 pm I dunno why this operation can't seem to dial in shipping. I got a email of an upcoming delivery, asked it NOT be shipped this week since I am out of town. Mickey assured me it wouldn't ship until after the 30th, and lo-and-behold - delivery attempt today, and now it sits in a UPS facility all weekend. Come on guys, other companies have figured out logistics, why can't you?
Mickey is making this right, recalling the current shipment and sending out a new one.

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#10432 Post by Jonah P »

Did anyone else get the invite for the holy grail/DN cooking event (run by truffle huggers?)? Sounds like fun, but I have pretty much every DN wine and plenty of holy grail steaks in the freezer. Buying food for two doesn't appeal to me. Cam, you should have an event for your existing customers. One way or another, we should have a virtual tasting, but combining it with a holy grail cooking class would be fun too. I'm happy to pay for the event, but not $200+ for food and wine I already own.
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#10433 Post by rsmithjr »

Yes I got the invite in email....
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#10434 Post by K Kl@dder »

How about a good old fashioned $15 for 90 offer? Seems like Cam has been pretty quiet lately?
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#10435 Post by Bryan Price »

Timothy B a l l a r d wrote: August 27th, 2021, 1:37 pm Those of you interested in Lot 125 and Lot 126 (same producer):
125 is likely Carpe Diem from Domaine Anderson brand. Very good medium body PN. Bought a case at $10, beats many $35-$45 PNs I've had. Your tastes may vary.
126 is believed to be the Anderson Valley "Estate" PN:

https://www.domaineanderson.com/wines/estate-wines/#

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Appreciate the thoughts sounds like I would like both. We visited Domaine Anderson in May and we really liked their wines. I'd say most of the pinot lineup is in a medium style.
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#10436 Post by rsmithjr »

It appears the www.denegociants.com website has gone dark.....
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#10437 Post by Bryan Price »

rsmithjr wrote: September 1st, 2021, 5:37 pm It appears the www.denegociants.com website has gone dark.....
What is (was) that?
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#10438 Post by rsmithjr »

Do a search- a private individual here listed Denegoce info, what source winery was guesssed etc....
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#10439 Post by Peter G »

<hr!s.L wrote: June 29th, 2021, 11:22 am Noticed some very favorable notes for N.197 2018 Green Valley of the Russian River Pinot Noir recently posted to Cellartracker, which is nice to see. For those keeping track, I think there's strong evidence the producer is DRNK.

DRNK Pinot Noir, Cuvée Cavers, Green Valley of the Russian River Valley, $75
https://drnkwines.vinespring.com/purcha ... ver-valley


Cam - “...cherry fruit and forest floor but it takes on a deeper blue fruit dimension with air adding gunsmoke and sarsaparilla to the mix..."

DRNK notes - “...boasting flavors of blue fruit and gunsmoke and aromas of forest floor and sarsaparilla."

Cam - "Immediately spicy...crunchy red fruits and schisty minerality..."

2017 93 pt. from WE (Virginia Boone) - “Light, floral and stony in minerality...rhubarb and earthiness. Exotic spice rides along...”


Cam - "A small cuvee...culled from the best barrels from their three Green Valley sourcing sites..."

DRNK - "This is a new blend sourced from the upper echelon of our Pinot Noir sites"
DRNK source vineyards in Green Valley Sub AVA - Widdoes, Baron and Hallberg
https://drnkwines.com/vineyards/


Cam - "The winemaker is fifth generation in the wine business"

DRNK, Our Story - Ryan brings a rich winemaking legacy to DRNK, with five generations of vineyard stewardship in Sonoma County dating back to the 1880’s.

https://www.denegoce.com/products/lot-1 ... ae1c&_ss=r
The dN N. 197 arrived last week. It says "bottled by DRNK winery" right on the label. Well done Chris, I think this one can be closed.
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#10440 Post by rsmithjr »

Tried lot 132 Howell Mountain last nite--- forget about it....completely shut down.....
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#10441 Post by J. Patrick Lynch »

235: Carlisle Papa's Block Syrah?

The WS ratings fit, so does the ABV, and I believe Carlisle grows all the varietals in the blend.

Edit: maybe not, Papa's Block is 100% syrah.
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#10442 Post by Armando Basarrate »

J. Patrick Lynch wrote: September 3rd, 2021, 11:15 am 235: Carlisle Papa's Block Syrah?

The WS ratings fit, so does the ABV, and I believe Carlisle grows all the varietals in the blend.
I think that the CW was that the producer of the earlier lots tied to this offering is Dehlinger.

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#10443 Post by J. Patrick Lynch »

Armando Basarrate wrote: September 3rd, 2021, 11:18 am
J. Patrick Lynch wrote: September 3rd, 2021, 11:15 am 235: Carlisle Papa's Block Syrah?

The WS ratings fit, so does the ABV, and I believe Carlisle grows all the varietals in the blend.
I think that the CW was that the producer of the earlier lots tied to this offering is Dehlinger.
Ya. Sorry, the text and the offer page don't say the same producer (though the latter hints at it), but I see now that the email does.
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#10444 Post by Timothy B a l l a r d »

Dehlinger? They make a Altamont ($50) and Goldridge $45 93 points different vintages.

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#10445 Post by Luca Giupponi »

Dehlinger Syrah sounds great but from a quick search on this site it looks like they usually require significant time in the cellar. Classic dN quandary….

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#10446 Post by G. D y e r »

I went in on a 6-er of the RRV Syrah--it's been one I've been watching for since Cam mentioned it a few months back. New oak is on the lower side, and Syrah in a Pinot-centric AVA is generally a plus indicator. Regardless of exact style, should be good.
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#10447 Post by Michael Martin »

J. Patrick Lynch wrote: September 3rd, 2021, 11:15 am 235: Carlisle Papa's Block Syrah?

The WS ratings fit, so does the ABV, and I believe Carlisle grows all the varietals in the blend.

Edit: maybe not, Papa's Block is 100% syrah.
Carlisle also has a waiting list. Mike would likely use any declassified juice in one of his “county” blends before bulking it out.

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#10448 Post by Rich Brown »

Michael Martin wrote: September 4th, 2021, 6:53 am
J. Patrick Lynch wrote: September 3rd, 2021, 11:15 am 235: Carlisle Papa's Block Syrah?

The WS ratings fit, so does the ABV, and I believe Carlisle grows all the varietals in the blend.

Edit: maybe not, Papa's Block is 100% syrah.
Carlisle also has a waiting list. Mike would likely use any declassified juice in one of his “county” blends before bulking it out.
Agreed. I'd say there's zero chance it's Carlisle juice.

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#10449 Post by Jeff O »

OG dN Lot 243 2019 Pritchard Hill Napa Valley Cabernet Sauvignon is now offered in the Bottle Shop at $59/bottle.
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#10450 Post by Peter G »

Offer out for OG dN Lot 232 2019 Cabernet Sauvignon.

12 pack - $288
6 pack - $150

From the text
de Négoce: Past vintage 92-93-point scoring Napa Cabernet just $24/bottle
12-pack: https://klv3.io/0/w5sYX
6-pack:https://klv3.io/0/w5sYZ
I'll open up the bidding with Adaptation by Odette Estate Winery.

The last vintage was 2017 under the label with the 2018 coming as a new "iteration". The cab comes from Ink Grade on the backside of Howell and the blend/price/oak/scores seem to line up.
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