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#7901 Post by Chr!s G|@rn3r »

Bruce Johnson wrote: January 11th, 2021, 5:07 pm I'm new here and pretty new to wine. I just bought the de Negoce 76. Any guesses as to the vineyards involved?
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I’m guessing Bennett Lane Napa Valley Cabernet. Located in Calistoga, estate Lynch Family vineyard in Calistoga, last vintage or two are listed at $65, 30% new French oak.

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Kevin B wrote: January 11th, 2021, 4:54 pm I got the Walla Walla Cab, and the Petit Verdot. Still waiting on a bunch I bought months ago that should be shipping soon. I'll pass, but I'm interested in seeing how fast 800 cases go.
Looks like just over 400 left still. Pretty clear evidence enthusiasm for DN is fading a bit.
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#7903 Post by rsmithjr »

Mike R wrote: January 12th, 2021, 6:07 am
Kevin B wrote: January 11th, 2021, 4:54 pm I got the Walla Walla Cab, and the Petit Verdot. Still waiting on a bunch I bought months ago that should be shipping soon. I'll pass, but I'm interested in seeing how fast 800 cases go.
Looks like just over 400 left still. Pretty clear evidence enthusiasm for DN is fading a bit.
I would say it has just as much to do with full cellars. I have 2 more cases coming ( 1 actually for moms house) 1 for me- #3 and thts it... ]All future purchases will be for current drinking. My Whynter 124 bottle wine keeper is FULL..... [cheers.gif]
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#7904 Post by rsmithjr »

Michael Martin wrote: January 11th, 2021, 6:39 pm There’s a bunch of Cameron Hughes wines on Winebid.com.
He has nothing to do with CH Wine anymore. I don't think he even does videos hawking the wines anymore. All his efforts are into DN and HG Steak....
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#7905 Post by Kyle S chaffer »

anybody heard anything about shipping the N.98 Viognier? this one was bottled in June 2020 so seems like it should be good to go?

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#7906 Post by <hr!s.L »

Mike R wrote: January 12th, 2021, 6:07 am
Kevin B wrote: January 11th, 2021, 4:54 pm I got the Walla Walla Cab, and the Petit Verdot. Still waiting on a bunch I bought months ago that should be shipping soon. I'll pass, but I'm interested in seeing how fast 800 cases go.
Looks like just over 400 left still. Pretty clear evidence enthusiasm for DN is fading a bit.
A month back, after non-sellouts for the Fair Play releases, followed by slow sales for n.91, 93 and 94, this same "DN enthusiasm is declining" theme was raised on the thread (p.154-155). Possible reasons for the slow sales were discussed then - disappointment with the wine and buyer saturation being the two main theories.

However, the next six releases (96, 100, 107, 89, 87 and 99) all sold out very quickly. Enthusiasm clearly still exists for the right type of offers.

Still, assuming each buyer's capacity / demand for more wine is not infinite, I imagine to some degree enthusiasm will naturally diminish for repeat customers with every case purchased.

The latest release (n.76) is selling relatively slowly, and once again the question rises of whether DN is losing steam. I don't know. This is large quantity tranche (800 bottles - and possibly larger, I did the quantity available trick with my shopping cart when it was first released and it showed at least 888 bottles available for purchase) for what has been hitherto the most common and quintessential DN type of release - another 2018 Napa Cab. (Ironically, this is likely one of the last two 2018 Napa Cabs to be offered - so common no longer). Preexisting customers have seen this particular kind of offer many times before and surely fed at this trough to their hearts content. So "only" 400 - 500 cases of this wine have sold in less than 24 hours.

Hard to gauge general enthusiasm, but personally, I bought 96, 100, 89 and 99 so I'm a bit hesitant for more at the moment. I do think it's a good opportunity for those that came late to the DN party to get a case of 2018 Napa Cab at a bargain. And based on the COLA-sleuthing, perhaps one of the last of its kind.
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#7907 Post by Michael Martin »

rsmithjr wrote: January 12th, 2021, 7:04 am
Michael Martin wrote: January 11th, 2021, 6:39 pm There’s a bunch of Cameron Hughes wines on Winebid.com.
He has nothing to do with CH Wine anymore. I don't think he even does videos hawking the wines anymore. All his efforts are into DN and HG Steak....
Some of these are older lots that he probably had a hand in.

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#7908 Post by rsmithjr »

Michael Martin wrote: January 12th, 2021, 6:50 pm
rsmithjr wrote: January 12th, 2021, 7:04 am
Michael Martin wrote: January 11th, 2021, 6:39 pm There’s a bunch of Cameron Hughes wines on Winebid.com.
He has nothing to do with CH Wine anymore. I don't think he even does videos hawking the wines anymore. All his efforts are into DN and HG Steak....
Some of these are older lots that he probably had a hand in.
I agree, lot 596 is a very nice wine. Lot 609 is fabulous....
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#7909 Post by Bob W »

Curious, would anyone on here who has a few cases of past Napa Cab offerings be willing to sell a sampler pack? If not, no worries. Just figured it wouldn’t hurt to ask.
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#7910 Post by Timothy B a l l a r d »

Bob W:
Curious, would anyone on here who has a few cases of past Napa Cab offerings be willing to sell a sampler pack? If not, no worries. Just figured it wouldn’t hurt to ask.

PM'ed you...check messages please. Tim

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#7911 Post by Nick F. »

If someone in Illinois wants a mix case, they can PM and come grab it...overbought
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#7912 Post by Bob W »

Timothy B a l l a r d wrote: January 13th, 2021, 9:46 am Bob W:
Curious, would anyone on here who has a few cases of past Napa Cab offerings be willing to sell a sampler pack? If not, no worries. Just figured it wouldn’t hurt to ask.

PM'ed you...check messages please. Tim
Thanks Tim! Replied.
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#7913 Post by Bruce Johnson »

Chr!s G|@rn3r wrote: January 11th, 2021, 9:51 pm
Bruce Johnson wrote: January 11th, 2021, 5:07 pm I'm new here and pretty new to wine. I just bought the de Negoce 76. Any guesses as to the vineyards involved?
--Bruce
I’m guessing Bennett Lane Napa Valley Cabernet. Located in Calistoga, estate Lynch Family vineyard in Calistoga, last vintage or two are listed at $65, 30% new French oak.
Thanks, Chris. I'm looking at maps now and going to California in my mind.

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#7914 Post by john mccarty »

Now you see it, now you don't.

OG N.111 sold out in 13 minutes. (125 cases)

Not a DeNegoce record, but close.

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#7915 Post by Mitch P »

Any initial guesses on OG N. 111?
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#7916 Post by Mike R »

john mccarty wrote: January 13th, 2021, 4:53 pm Now you see it, now you don't.

OG N.111 sold out in 13 minutes. (125 cases)

Not a DeNegoce record, but close.
Was this another "subset" of the mailing list wine? Never got the email. If so, I honestly can't believe I'm not on that list - I'm at 20 cases at this point.
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#7917 Post by Mitch P »

Got text first. Email followed about 5 or so minutes later.

Edit: never got email.
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#7918 Post by john mccarty »

Mitch P wrote: January 13th, 2021, 5:03 pm Got text first. Email followed about 5 or so minutes later.

Edit: never got email.
I still haven't received the e-mail, but got the text at 4:38pm. Was sold out by 4:51PM.

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#7919 Post by Rodrigo B »

Also didn't get the email and am at like 25+ case. Even if I did get the email, an easy pass for me. Guess there's still some excitement about dN left given how fast this supposedly went
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Mike R wrote: January 13th, 2021, 4:55 pm
john mccarty wrote: January 13th, 2021, 4:53 pm Now you see it, now you don't.

OG N.111 sold out in 13 minutes. (125 cases)

Not a DeNegoce record, but close.
Was this another "subset" of the mailing list wine? Never got the email. If so, I honestly can't believe I'm not on that list - I'm at 20 cases at this point.
I’m at 22 cases, but havent purchased since #60 (done buying dN wine at this point), and did not get an email.
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#7921 Post by Eric White »

no email here on #111, and I'm a pretty heavy buyer (40+ cases so far). Not sad, I would have likely passed anyhow.

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#7922 Post by VidaF »

Eric White wrote: January 13th, 2021, 5:51 pm no email here on #111, and I'm a pretty heavy buyer (40+ cases so far). Not sad, I would have likely passed anyhow.
I didn’t get the email either, in either of the email addresses that I have signed up with. (I signed up a second time with my gmail address after EarthLink often delayed messages from De Negoce because they thought they were Spam but continued to buy from my original account and have purchased over 30 cases.) Perhaps no email went out but I would have purchased this. Kinda makes me mad. neener neener
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#7923 Post by Timothy B a l l a r d »

Never got emails for last two the Oregon Syrah and OG 111...I'm near 40 cases. So what's up Cam?? Thanks. Tim

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#7924 Post by juless »

I received a text, but no email for No. 111.
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#7925 Post by Dan Bowman »

I'm at 40+ cases and would have bought the Rocks syrah but never got the email. Same for the Tempranillo, but would have passed on it. If it's only text notices in the future, I guess I'm out.

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#7926 Post by Chris Crutchfield »

Do you have a flip phone or something? It’s not hard to get the notifications by text.

I don’t know why the offers aren’t going out by email, or going out late these days. It used to be the opposite: the email would go out before the text.

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#7927 Post by J. Patrick Lynch »

I agree. If you're going to make it some offers text only, just give people a heads up. Why alienate people over something so trivial?
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#7928 Post by J. Patrick Lynch »

Chris Crutchfield wrote: January 13th, 2021, 6:54 pm Do you have a flip phone or something? It’s not hard to get the notifications by text.

I don’t know why the offers aren’t going out by email, or going out late these days. It used to be the opposite: the email would go out before the text.
Your jab makes no sense since a "flip phone" would get a text but not an email.

And for many, phone numbers are more personal than email addresses.
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#7929 Post by J. Patrick Lynch »

Mitch P wrote: January 13th, 2021, 4:55 pm Any initial guesses on OG N. 111?
I initially thought 108, 109, & 110 were MV Winery, but with the Tempranillo addition, I'm leaning towards Charles B. Mitchell.
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#7930 Post by <hr!s.L »

J. Patrick Lynch wrote: January 13th, 2021, 8:19 pm
Mitch P wrote: January 13th, 2021, 4:55 pm Any initial guesses on OG N. 111?
I initially thought 108, 109, & 110 were MV Winery, but with the Tempranillo addition, I'm leaning towards Charles B. Mitchell.
Someone suggested Shadow Ranch a few pages back
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#7931 Post by ScottieB »

john mccarty wrote: January 13th, 2021, 4:53 pm Now you see it, now you don't.

OG N.111 sold out in 13 minutes. (125 cases)

Not a DeNegoce record, but close.
Perhaps the low price of $96 for the case ($8/bottle) helped in addition to the relatively low number of cases.
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#7932 Post by <hr!s.L »

Dan Bowman wrote: January 13th, 2021, 6:50 pm I'm at 40+ cases and would have bought the Rocks syrah but never got the email. Same for the Tempranillo, but would have passed on it. If it's only text notices in the future, I guess I'm out.
For some reason n.99 and n.111 were both text-only offers - at least for me. I received texts for both, but emails for neither.

I wonder if it was random or if it’s because both were for small lots (150 cases or less) - and if text-only notification will be the norm for such lots going forward
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#7933 Post by JonathanG »

I didn't get either the email or the text. Wow, guess I fell out of favor. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

Drank the OG4 and the OG50 this week. 24 hr decants. Both are excellent. really glad I bought as much as I did. Will be diving into several more to try them out over the next few weeks.
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#7934 Post by john mccarty »

JonathanG wrote: January 13th, 2021, 10:47 pm I didn't get either the email or the text. Wow, guess I fell out of favor. Oh how the mighty have fallen.
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JonathanG wrote: January 13th, 2021, 10:47 pm I didn't get either the email or the text. Wow, guess I fell out of favor. Oh how the mighty have fallen.
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YOU didn't get the info? That's really weird because I got the texts and you're the Leader of the Pack... I mean the Bay Area dN buying group.
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#7936 Post by Kevin B »

I was someplace with no cell phone reception, at least for AT&T. Got the text at 8:00 PM. I would probably have got it if I had received notice in time, but I really need to work on storage space, so missing it was not all bad. I think it went fast since it's something different, as far as I can tell the only Tempranillo offered, and cheap. Maybe people have enough Zin and Cab.

Also, has anyone received a shipping notice recently? I know they suspended shipping for December, but I kind of thought I would have heard something on #82 "Meritage" by now.
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#7937 Post by Jonah P »

Kevin B wrote: January 14th, 2021, 7:11 am I was someplace with no cell phone reception, at least for AT&T. Got the text at 8:00 PM. I would probably have got it if I had received notice in time, but I really need to work on storage space, so missing it was not all bad. I think it went fast since it's something different, as far as I can tell the only Tempranillo offered, and cheap. Maybe people have enough Zin and Cab.

Also, has anyone received a shipping notice recently? I know they suspended shipping for December, but I kind of thought I would have heard something on #82 "Meritage" by now.
I've got #92 arriving today.
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#7938 Post by Mike R »

Has anyone ever had a new world Tempranillo before? I probably would have bought if I had seen the offer, just out of curiosity.
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#7939 Post by Jonah P »

Mike R wrote: January 14th, 2021, 7:40 am Has anyone ever had a new world Tempranillo before? I probably would have bought if I had seen the offer, just out of curiosity.
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#7940 Post by J. Patrick Lynch »

Mike R wrote: January 14th, 2021, 7:40 am Has anyone ever had a new world Tempranillo before? I probably would have bought if I had seen the offer, just out of curiosity.
The Quinta Cruz brand from Santa Cruz Mountain Vineyard makes a nice one, along with some other really good Iberian varietals.
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#7941 Post by Rodrigo B »

In case anyone isn't getting emails. #118 just went live. I re-subcribed to the email list yesterday. Not sure if I got the email because of that, but figured I'd mention it.
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#7942 Post by Mike R »

No 118 Malbec is up:

Oh my. Juicy, rich, ripe, deep, dark, and delicious are just a few descriptors of this fantastic Chalk Hill Malbec...while I'm at it, I would throw in lush, intense and hedonistic too.

Produced by one of Chalk Hill's finest producers from some of the finest vineyards on Chalk Hill, this is a no expense spared, built to the nines Malbec with approximately 80% new French Oak. I paid more for this wine than I did many Napa Cabernet's actually. The wine sells for well over $60/bottle at the winery under a special reserve designation and is a stunning opportunity at $15/bottle, $180 per case. Magnificent juice!
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#7943 Post by Dmytro Marushkevych »

Mike R wrote: January 14th, 2021, 7:40 am Has anyone ever had a new world Tempranillo before? I probably would have bought if I had seen the offer, just out of curiosity.
There are a few nice Tempranillos made here in Paso: Bodegas de Edgar is my favorite one (especially from Laetitia's vineyard).

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#7944 Post by PeterH »

Interesting. I've purchased a number of de Negoce wines, but I have not gotten an e-mail notice of the last few offers.
Unless there is more Willamette Valley wine, I'm done anyway.
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#7945 Post by Chris Echeck »

Sounds like chalk hill chairman’s reserve Malbec. Lines up at $65 winery and new oak percentage for 118

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#7946 Post by Rodrigo B »

PeterH wrote: January 14th, 2021, 10:07 am Interesting. I've purchased a number of de Negoce wines, but I have not gotten an e-mail notice of the last few offers.
Unless there is more Willamette Valley wine, I'm done anyway.
I re-subscribed to the email list yesterday and got the email for today's offer. I'd try doing that
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#7947 Post by Matt N »

Agree that Chairman's Malbec looks like only thing I can find that fits. Very little on reviews for it though...
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#7948 Post by Kevin N »

Rodrigo B wrote: January 14th, 2021, 10:02 am In case anyone isn't getting emails. #118 just went live. I re-subcribed to the email list yesterday. Not sure if I got the email because of that, but figured I'd mention it.
I didn't get the emails for the ones yesterday I don't think. I got texts for all. Passed on all and will pass on today's malbec too.
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#7949 Post by Rohit B »

Wine enthusiast gave the 2004 a solid 83 points...not encouraging.

https://www.winemag.com/buying-guide/ch ... halk-hill/
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#7950 Post by Mike R »

I have to give the DN guys some serious credit. I've been regretting that Petit Verdot purchase since I made it. I emailed them to ask if there is any chance they would let me refund the purchase and they refunded me almost instantly. They would have been well within their rights to tell me to take a hike, so major props to them. More room for another cab purchase now [wink.gif] [wink.gif] [wink.gif]
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