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#5901 Post by Benjg » October 17th, 2020, 7:01 pm

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October 17th, 2020, 4:43 pm
Ok, for all of you who have been asking 'who's updated the spreadsheet'. I started with a spreadsheet, and then decided there might be a better solution for us to organize info and collaborate. https://denegociants.com/ This is a personal project and work in progress (it’s been in progress for months now). Please be gentle 😉.

Cool website! I added my guess for the source of #23. Thanks for doing this.
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#5902 Post by tpetty » October 17th, 2020, 7:17 pm

site looks good, thanks
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#5903 Post by Rodrigo B » October 17th, 2020, 8:17 pm

MatthewT wrote:
October 17th, 2020, 5:38 pm
LC00k wrote:
October 17th, 2020, 4:43 pm
Ok, for all of you who have been asking 'who's updated the spreadsheet'. I started with a spreadsheet, and then decided there might be a better solution for us to organize info and collaborate. https://denegociants.com/ This is a personal project and work in progress (it’s been in progress for months now). Please be gentle 😉.
This is AWESOME. My only feedback is I have purchased way more than 34 cases, LOL
You can, and probably should, just update the number of cases on the site then. Gotta be at the top of the leader board to hold onto your cult leader position neener

Seriously awesome job Laura, thanks for sharing with the rest of us.

On an unrelated note, up for grabs is one case of #44 Rutherford Cab
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#5904 Post by rsmithjr » October 18th, 2020, 8:09 am

How do you sign up?
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#5905 Post by Robert S.R. » October 18th, 2020, 10:05 am

LC00k wrote:
October 17th, 2020, 4:43 pm
Ok, for all of you who have been asking 'who's updated the spreadsheet'. I started with a spreadsheet, and then decided there might be a better solution for us to organize info and collaborate. https://denegociants.com/ This is a personal project and work in progress (it’s been in progress for months now). Please be gentle 😉.
This is great thanks!
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#5906 Post by Chris Crutchfield » October 18th, 2020, 12:20 pm

N.72 2018 Russian River Valley Cabernet Sauvignon offer up

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#5907 Post by MatthewT » October 18th, 2020, 12:21 pm

I'm in for 72, only 125 cases
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#5908 Post by Chris Crutchfield » October 18th, 2020, 12:22 pm

It's gotta be Dehlinger

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#5909 Post by Jonah P » October 18th, 2020, 12:26 pm

Chris Crutchfield wrote:
October 18th, 2020, 12:22 pm
It's gotta be Dehlinger
I was literally typing those words.
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#5910 Post by Alan Newman » October 18th, 2020, 12:29 pm

Sold out!

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#5911 Post by L Harris » October 18th, 2020, 12:33 pm

Alan Newman wrote:
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Sold out!
Dang that was fast! Snagged one!
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#5912 Post by Will Clements » October 18th, 2020, 12:38 pm

I got one too.

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#5913 Post by Jonah P » October 18th, 2020, 12:39 pm

Chris Crutchfield wrote:
October 18th, 2020, 12:22 pm
It's gotta be Dehlinger
I don't think there's been a more obvious source.
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#5914 Post by Chris Crutchfield » October 18th, 2020, 12:48 pm

$30k of wine, sold out in 10 minutes. Not bad.

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#5915 Post by PHuff » October 18th, 2020, 1:03 pm

Chris Crutchfield wrote:
October 18th, 2020, 12:22 pm
It's gotta be Dehlinger
I agree it's probably Dehlinger......Dehlinger Cabs are one of my favorite Cabs in all of California. But I don't get it, Dehlinger never seems to have any problem selling their Cabs, they are in high demand.......Not sure why Tom Dehlinger would go this route

I saw the email about 20 minutes after it came out, and it was already sold out......
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#5916 Post by Robert M yers » October 18th, 2020, 1:06 pm

It doesn’t say it’s the same blend. I bought a case anyways figuring it was Dehlinger and not much time to quibble.

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#5917 Post by Jonah P » October 18th, 2020, 1:35 pm

This might be the highest percentage of an offer bought by the forum. I have to credit Laura for my case. If I hadn't gone to my computer to check out her super cool website at that moment I would have missed. Thanks!
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#5918 Post by MatthewT » October 18th, 2020, 1:35 pm

I ran from the kitchen table to buy when I saw the "apologize in advance" language...lol
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#5919 Post by Christopher Dunn » October 18th, 2020, 1:38 pm

He did say in the email that he is hold 1/3 of the cases for release next year (at same price, I wonder?).

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#5920 Post by Tyler F. » October 18th, 2020, 1:40 pm

Saw the email and had to pass. I haven't figured out exactly where my other 7 cases are going, so adding to the pile at this point doesn't make much sense, especially when 5 of my 7 are already Napa Cab.
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#5921 Post by HoosJustinG » October 18th, 2020, 1:55 pm

PHuff wrote:
October 18th, 2020, 1:03 pm
Chris Crutchfield wrote:
October 18th, 2020, 12:22 pm
It's gotta be Dehlinger
I agree it's probably Dehlinger......Dehlinger Cabs are one of my favorite Cabs in all of California. But I don't get it, Dehlinger never seems to have any problem selling their Cabs, they are in high demand.......Not sure why Tom Dehlinger would go this route

I saw the email about 20 minutes after it came out, and it was already sold out......
He didn’t say it’s the same blend, which almost certainly means it’s not (since he often goes out of his way to say that it is). Between very small production and non-winery blend, it sounds like just a bit of excess fruit.
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#5922 Post by Len Stevens » October 18th, 2020, 2:42 pm

Enjoy their Pinot a lot, just have never had the Cab. Probably messed up, but 22 cases is good and just couldn't get real excited about Sonoma Cab.

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#5923 Post by ray ormand » October 18th, 2020, 2:49 pm

Dehlinger Cabernet is worth getting excited about, but like many, I have more than enough wine on the way from de Negoce.

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#5924 Post by MatthewT » October 18th, 2020, 2:50 pm

i mean, we really have no idea it's dehlinger do we? i guess this is a rather niche cab given the scores, price, and the location?
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#5925 Post by Brent S » October 18th, 2020, 2:53 pm

2018 was such a huge harvest. Sure, maybe the winery had some extra barrels to sell. I’m sure it wasn’t their finest barrels and since they don’t have a second label this is a convenient way to get rid of it. That’s most likely what we are consistently getting if it’s not the “winery’s blends”. We are getting barrels not seemed suitable for the grand vin. Of course I’m okay with that at $10-$20
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#5926 Post by CliffM » October 18th, 2020, 3:30 pm

Hey Gang!

For those of you who keep using “I’ve bought too much already” as an excuse. Or perhaps wish you had just bought a case less here or there... please use this awesome webpage:

https://denegociants.com/

I’m definitely looking to buy some past offerings, as are others I’m sure. Let us help you free up some space in your cellar 👍🏻
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#5927 Post by Tyler F. » October 18th, 2020, 3:39 pm

CliffM wrote:
October 18th, 2020, 3:30 pm
Hey Gang!

For those of you who keep using “I’ve bought too much already” as an excuse. Or perhaps wish you had just bought a case less here or there... please use this awesome webpage:

https://denegociants.com/

I’m definitely looking to buy some past offerings, as are others I’m sure. Let us help you free up some space in your cellar 👍🏻
This is pretty cool. Nice work!
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#5928 Post by Christopher Dunn » October 18th, 2020, 5:43 pm

Some time ago on this thread, I "panned" the No. 12 Chardonnay. For some reason, they just sent me another case, which is just as mediocre (in my opinion). It is over-oaked and has a chemical flavor that I just can't pin down. It reminds me of some off-putting odors from when I was taking organic chemistry in college. Is it a ketone or ester? Still a mid- to low-80s score for me. It is just not my style. Others might very well think highly of it. I will hold some bottles for a couple of years to see how they evolve. I am open to be proven wrong (in fact, hoping so!).

That aside, a week or so ago, I received the No. 17 Cabernet. Well, this is a different story. It is nicely balanced, a bit "jammy" with strawberry and blueberry (and hint of cocoa nibs). There is a bit of a green streak (which I like), so I'm wondering if the the clusters were not destemmed. Not much oak or tannin, making it very "approachable" now. On day 2, it was fuller and rounder. This will age nicely for 5-10 yrs, but is not built for the long haul. For the price, it is very good (89 pts in my book) and a very welcome "cellar defender."

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#5929 Post by Andreas Birnik » October 18th, 2020, 9:52 pm

I’m interested in your views on ”bottle shock” and how long it really does last. Below is a slide from Prof. Andrew Waterhouse at UC Davis Department of Viticulture and Enology as part of the course VIT-251.
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Waterhouse is one of America’s leading wine chemists, author of “Understanding Wine Chemistry” and the Director of the Robert Mondavi Institute for Wine and Food Science at UC Davis. These notes are from 2010 and Waterhouse talks about bottle shock lasting for 1-4 weeks as a result of oxygen entering the bottle during bottling operations. This information is different from needing to wait 3-4 months for red wine and 6-8 weeks for white wine to overcome bottle shock. Most of the young de Négoce wines will no doubt benefit from some time to age but that’s a separate issue from the time it takes to get over bottle shock. Appreciate input from those in the know to clarify things.
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#5930 Post by Max S. » October 18th, 2020, 10:01 pm

Andreas Birnik wrote:
October 18th, 2020, 9:52 pm
I’m interested in your views on ”bottle shock” and how long it really does last. Below is a slide from Prof. Andrew Waterhouse at UC Davis Department of Viticulture and Enology as part of the course VIT-251.

Bottle Shock.png

Waterhouse is one of America’s leading wine chemists, author of “Understanding Wine Chemistry” and the Director of the Robert Mondavi Institute for Wine and Food Science at UC Davis. These notes are from 2010 and Waterhouse talks about bottle shock lasting for 1-4 weeks as a result of oxygen entering the bottle during bottling operations. This information is different from needing to wait 3-4 months for red wine and 6-8 weeks for white wine to overcome bottle shock. Most of the young de Négoce wines will no doubt benefit from some time to age but that’s a separate issue from the time it takes to get over bottle shock. Appreciate input from those in the know to clarify things.
I'm chalking this up to customer education. I bet 95% of his customers don't read past "let the bottles sit for 2-3 months." If he tried to get more granular (1-4 weeks for storage, 2-3 months because its lower quality and the wine will drink better, etc), I bet he's more likely to lose customers.
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#5932 Post by Chris Crutchfield » October 18th, 2020, 10:31 pm

Max S. wrote:
October 18th, 2020, 10:01 pm
I'm chalking this up to customer education. I bet 95% of his customers don't read past "let the bottles sit for 2-3 months." If he tried to get more granular (1-4 weeks for storage, 2-3 months because its lower quality and the wine will drink better, etc), I bet he's more likely to lose customers.
I mean, it's most likely this. Except I don't think that it's "2-3 months because its lower quality". Maturation in bottle is a thing, and many high quality wines are held for a year or more prior to release to allow them to mature a bit. CH is selling the wine almost immediately after bottling it, long before the producer who made the wine would even think of selling it. So it may not be a bad idea to just sit on these bottles for many months before drinking them.

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#5933 Post by Andreas Birnik » October 18th, 2020, 11:04 pm

Chris Crutchfield wrote:
October 18th, 2020, 10:31 pm
Max S. wrote:
October 18th, 2020, 10:01 pm
I'm chalking this up to customer education. I bet 95% of his customers don't read past "let the bottles sit for 2-3 months." If he tried to get more granular (1-4 weeks for storage, 2-3 months because its lower quality and the wine will drink better, etc), I bet he's more likely to lose customers.
I mean, it's most likely this. Except I don't think that it's "2-3 months because its lower quality". Maturation in bottle is a thing, and many high quality wines are held for a year or more prior to release to allow them to mature a bit. CH is selling the wine almost immediately after bottling it, long before the producer who made the wine would even think of selling it. So it may not be a bad idea to just sit on these bottles for many months before drinking them.
Thanks Chris & Max for feedback. I'm inclined to trust Prof. Waterhouse at UC Davis (1-4 weeks to overcome bottle shock) and think that the need to wait for several months is less about bottle shock per se and more about a general need to just let the wine bottle age for some time prior to consumption.
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#5934 Post by L Harris » October 19th, 2020, 1:08 pm

N.71 is up - Howell Mountain Cab - assuming Robert Craig again?
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#5935 Post by JonathanG » October 19th, 2020, 1:09 pm

High use of new oak, plus 15.7% ABV. Too high for me.
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#5936 Post by MatthewT » October 19th, 2020, 1:09 pm

Passing...bought 3 of the last 4 of this producer.
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#5937 Post by rsmithjr » October 19th, 2020, 1:18 pm

Also passing as I have at least 2 cases coming from same source.
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#5938 Post by Chris Crutchfield » October 19th, 2020, 1:20 pm

Passing due to ridiculous ABV

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#5939 Post by Eric White » October 19th, 2020, 1:22 pm

can there be any doubt at this point as to the source? https://robertcraigwine.com/how-we-got-here/

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#5940 Post by Brent S » October 19th, 2020, 1:24 pm

that really is a high alcohol percent. Maybe they are honest and everyone else cheats, but geez that sounds like paso syrah blends.
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#5941 Post by MatthewT » October 19th, 2020, 1:24 pm

Eric White wrote:
October 19th, 2020, 1:22 pm
can there be any doubt at this point as to the source? https://robertcraigwine.com/how-we-got-here/
Someone earlier on this page or yesterday said Robert Craig has told people they haven't sold any bulk wine. But others have said take all of that with a grain of salt.
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#5942 Post by DanielP » October 19th, 2020, 1:26 pm

Brent S wrote:
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that really is a high alcohol percent. Maybe they are honest and everyone else cheats, but geez that sounds like paso syrah blends.
It also sounds like napa cab level alcohol...
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#5943 Post by Eric White » October 19th, 2020, 1:27 pm

MatthewT wrote:
October 19th, 2020, 1:24 pm
Eric White wrote:
October 19th, 2020, 1:22 pm
can there be any doubt at this point as to the source? https://robertcraigwine.com/how-we-got-here/
Someone earlier on this page or yesterday said Robert Craig has told people they haven't sold any bulk wine. But others have said take all of that with a grain of salt.
yeah, I followed the conversation, not sure I'm buying it. Cam's verbiage aligns way too perfectly with RC.

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#5944 Post by MatthewT » October 19th, 2020, 1:28 pm

Eric White wrote:
October 19th, 2020, 1:27 pm
MatthewT wrote:
October 19th, 2020, 1:24 pm
Eric White wrote:
October 19th, 2020, 1:22 pm
can there be any doubt at this point as to the source? https://robertcraigwine.com/how-we-got-here/
Someone earlier on this page or yesterday said Robert Craig has told people they haven't sold any bulk wine. But others have said take all of that with a grain of salt.
yeah, I followed the conversation, not sure I'm buying it. Cam's verbiage aligns way too perfectly with RC.
It's almost not possible to be anyone but RC. I could list the 10 reasons why but no point rehashing it.
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#5945 Post by Jonah P » October 19th, 2020, 1:41 pm

Probably should have passed with two "RCs" on order, but I'm a fan of the affinity and I remain hopeful that this will be at least that good. Plus now there's a leader board to climb.
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#5946 Post by MatthewT » October 19th, 2020, 1:46 pm

Jonah P wrote:
October 19th, 2020, 1:41 pm
Probably should have passed with two "RCs" on order, but I'm a fan of the affinity and I remain hopeful that this will be at least that good. Plus now there's a leader board to climb.
LOL. Yah I already have FOMO. I thought it was another Atlas Peak but it's obviously not. But I don't need another case of wine!
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#5947 Post by Jonah P » October 19th, 2020, 1:55 pm

MatthewT wrote:
October 19th, 2020, 1:46 pm
Jonah P wrote:
October 19th, 2020, 1:41 pm
Probably should have passed with two "RCs" on order, but I'm a fan of the affinity and I remain hopeful that this will be at least that good. Plus now there's a leader board to climb.
LOL. Yah I already have FOMO. I thought it was another Atlas Peak but it's obviously not. But I don't need another case of wine!
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#5948 Post by MatthewT » October 19th, 2020, 1:57 pm

Jonah P wrote:
October 19th, 2020, 1:55 pm
MatthewT wrote:
October 19th, 2020, 1:46 pm
Jonah P wrote:
October 19th, 2020, 1:41 pm
Probably should have passed with two "RCs" on order, but I'm a fan of the affinity and I remain hopeful that this will be at least that good. Plus now there's a leader board to climb.
LOL. Yah I already have FOMO. I thought it was another Atlas Peak but it's obviously not. But I don't need another case of wine!
One left. . .
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#5949 Post by Eric White » October 19th, 2020, 1:57 pm

pretty proud of myself, I let the clock run out without buying (I already have three cases coming from this producer). Interesting that this is the most expensive one from this same source, the past have been $216 or $221. Not a huge difference, but interesting to note.

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#5950 Post by Kyle S chaffer » October 19th, 2020, 1:59 pm

which are the other #s that we think are Robert Craig? thanks

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