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#1 Post by Len Stevens » April 30th, 2020, 8:14 am

Only $120 case for Napa fruit plus shipping? I'm in for a case...not much risk....

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I used Paypal and it went through.

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#5 Post by Nate Simon » April 30th, 2020, 8:27 am

Was able to order after a few glitches. Cool project.

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#6 Post by Josh Grossman » April 30th, 2020, 8:31 am

Not much info? I like to know a bit more than where the grapes came from and how much it costs.

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#7 Post by ykwon » April 30th, 2020, 8:34 am

2018 so couldn’t be too terrible
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#8 Post by Michael Martin » April 30th, 2020, 8:47 am

Josh Grossman wrote:
April 30th, 2020, 8:31 am
Not much info? I like to know a bit more than where the grapes came from and how much it costs.
$120 for a case.

Tasting: Opaque in the glass with a dusky plum rim. Dusty blackberry coffeecake with hints of cassis that take on weight as the wine opens up. Before you know it, blueberry, dark chocolate and hazelnut come to the fore before shifting to dusty plums, graphite and earth. Youthful and gregarious, this ever-shifting Cabernet is ripe with complexity. Smooth on entry with chocolate, plums and blackberry fruit coating youthful tannins that dominate the lengthy finish. Well balanced.

Appellation: 74% Napa Valley (vineyard sandwiched between Coombsville and Atlas Peak AVA's), 21% Coombsville, and 5% Rutherford.

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#9 Post by Josh Grossman » April 30th, 2020, 9:09 am

Michael Martin wrote:
April 30th, 2020, 8:47 am
Josh Grossman wrote:
April 30th, 2020, 8:31 am
Not much info? I like to know a bit more than where the grapes came from and how much it costs.
$120 for a case.

Tasting: Opaque in the glass with a dusky plum rim. Dusty blackberry coffeecake with hints of cassis that take on weight as the wine opens up. Before you know it, blueberry, dark chocolate and hazelnut come to the fore before shifting to dusty plums, graphite and earth. Youthful and gregarious, this ever-shifting Cabernet is ripe with complexity. Smooth on entry with chocolate, plums and blackberry fruit coating youthful tannins that dominate the lengthy finish. Well balanced.

Appellation: 74% Napa Valley (vineyard sandwiched between Coombsville and Atlas Peak AVA's), 21% Coombsville, and 5% Rutherford.
Yep, that's about as much info as you get with Kirkland Signature Napa and it's also $10 (and not something I want to drink or a case of taking room in my cellar)

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#10 Post by Michael Martin » April 30th, 2020, 9:16 am

Josh Grossman wrote:
April 30th, 2020, 9:09 am
Michael Martin wrote:
April 30th, 2020, 8:47 am
Josh Grossman wrote:
April 30th, 2020, 8:31 am
Not much info? I like to know a bit more than where the grapes came from and how much it costs.
$120 for a case.

Tasting: Opaque in the glass with a dusky plum rim. Dusty blackberry coffeecake with hints of cassis that take on weight as the wine opens up. Before you know it, blueberry, dark chocolate and hazelnut come to the fore before shifting to dusty plums, graphite and earth. Youthful and gregarious, this ever-shifting Cabernet is ripe with complexity. Smooth on entry with chocolate, plums and blackberry fruit coating youthful tannins that dominate the lengthy finish. Well balanced.

Appellation: 74% Napa Valley (vineyard sandwiched between Coombsville and Atlas Peak AVA's), 21% Coombsville, and 5% Rutherford.
Yep, that's about as much info as you get with Kirkland Signature Napa and it's also $10 (and not something I want to drink or a case of taking room in my cellar)
Somebody posted a link to a SF Chronicle review of the wine in the other thread.

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#11 Post by Nate Simon » April 30th, 2020, 9:48 am

Josh Grossman wrote:
April 30th, 2020, 8:31 am
Not much info? I like to know a bit more than where the grapes came from and how much it costs.
Do you understand how his model works? What sort of additional information are you looking for? He tells you the vintage, where the grapes come from, and gives you a tasting note (for what that’s worth). Did you want to know the name of the wine maker? The astrological sign of the tasting room manager’s dog?
At $10 a bottle, given the track record of Mr. Hughes, I don’t know why anyone would need additional information. Whether or not you buy it, that is entirely a judgment call on your part.

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#12 Post by MatthewT » April 30th, 2020, 10:08 am

Wish I didn't miss this thread...just signed up. Hopefully not too late.
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#13 Post by Josh Grossman » April 30th, 2020, 10:12 am

Nate Simon wrote:
April 30th, 2020, 9:48 am
Josh Grossman wrote:
April 30th, 2020, 8:31 am
Not much info? I like to know a bit more than where the grapes came from and how much it costs.
Do you understand how his model works? What sort of additional information are you looking for? He tells you the vintage, where the grapes come from, and gives you a tasting note (for what that’s worth). Did you want to know the name of the wine maker? The astrological sign of the tasting room manager’s dog?
At $10 a bottle, given the track record of Mr. Hughes, I don’t know why anyone would need additional information. Whether or not you buy it, that is entirely a judgment call on your part.
Alcohol by volume and oak treatment should be included with everything. I want to know secondary characteristics. If it's 16% and 24 months in new American oak, that's an easy pass for me. I'm not asking for dry farmed, biodynamic, ancient vines for that price, I just want to know it's not an oak monster and Parkerized.

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#14 Post by Max S. » April 30th, 2020, 10:16 am

Josh Grossman wrote:
April 30th, 2020, 10:12 am
Nate Simon wrote:
April 30th, 2020, 9:48 am
Josh Grossman wrote:
April 30th, 2020, 8:31 am
Not much info? I like to know a bit more than where the grapes came from and how much it costs.
Do you understand how his model works? What sort of additional information are you looking for? He tells you the vintage, where the grapes come from, and gives you a tasting note (for what that’s worth). Did you want to know the name of the wine maker? The astrological sign of the tasting room manager’s dog?
At $10 a bottle, given the track record of Mr. Hughes, I don’t know why anyone would need additional information. Whether or not you buy it, that is entirely a judgment call on your part.
Alcohol by volume and oak treatment should be included with everything. I want to know secondary characteristics. If it's 16% and 24 months in new American oak, that's an easy pass for me. I'm not asking for dry farmed, biodynamic, ancient vines for that price, I just want to know it's not an oak monster and Parkerized.
Honestly this specific offering isn't really up my alley, but I see how it could be considered a great offer to a lot of people. And for a small negociant to offer something that could be on par with Kirkland I think is pretty cool. If this was from Rioja, I'd absolutely roll the dice on it...
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#15 Post by Bill Tex Landreth » April 30th, 2020, 10:20 am

Nate Simon wrote:
April 30th, 2020, 9:48 am
Josh Grossman wrote:
April 30th, 2020, 8:31 am
Not much info? I like to know a bit more than where the grapes came from and how much it costs.
Do you understand how his model works? What sort of additional information are you looking for? He tells you the vintage, where the grapes come from, and gives you a tasting note (for what that’s worth). Did you want to know the name of the wine maker? The astrological sign of the tasting room manager’s dog?
At $10 a bottle, given the track record of Mr. Hughes, I don’t know why anyone would need additional information. Whether or not you buy it, that is entirely a judgment call on your part.
Exactly.

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#16 Post by Paul Flynn » April 30th, 2020, 11:00 am

The tasting note contains a lot of references to very sweet things like blueberry cobbler. Without knowing RS, this scares me off because I don't need a case of wine at any price that I won't drink.
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#17 Post by mattcitrang » May 8th, 2020, 12:13 pm

Offer #2 is out. $15/bottle Cab from Stagecoach vineyard.

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#18 Post by ConstantinouLoui3 » May 8th, 2020, 12:19 pm

Bit the bullet on a case. Any guesses?

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#19 Post by Alan Newman » May 8th, 2020, 12:26 pm

In for a case as well. ~$17/bottle including shipping. Has got to be a reasonable deal and possibly a screaming deal. $90 at the winery?

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#20 Post by R. Wilhite » May 8th, 2020, 12:29 pm

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#21 Post by ykwon » May 8th, 2020, 12:30 pm

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#22 Post by MatthewT » May 8th, 2020, 12:46 pm

I'm in. I will prob pause after this one though or I will end up with way too much wine.
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#23 Post by Max S. » May 8th, 2020, 1:00 pm

Alan Newman wrote:
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In for a case as well. ~$17/bottle including shipping. Has got to be a reasonable deal and possibly a screaming deal. $90 at the winery?
That always throws me through a loop and makes me wonder who is marking this up too much. But it sounds like some Berserkers have done business with this gent before and think highly of him, so that's a decent rec in my opinion.
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#24 Post by MatthewT » May 8th, 2020, 1:12 pm

Yes, I'd have no interest if the people on this website weren't so bullish on the proprietor.
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#25 Post by Michael Martin » May 8th, 2020, 1:18 pm

Just bought the Stagecoach. How can you not.

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#26 Post by Michael Martin » May 8th, 2020, 1:20 pm

MatthewT wrote:
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Yes, I'd have no interest if the people on this website weren't so bullish on the proprietor.
Just go to Cellartracker and look up Cameron Hughes

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#27 Post by MatthewT » May 8th, 2020, 1:48 pm

https://www.sfchronicle.com/wine/articl ... 201102.php

Great article...if you have chrome hold escape when it loads and you can break paywall.
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#28 Post by Bud Carey » May 8th, 2020, 2:10 pm

Easy choice... in for a case.
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#29 Post by JonathanG » May 8th, 2020, 3:36 pm

MatthewT wrote:
May 8th, 2020, 12:46 pm
I'm in. I will prob pause after this one though or I will end up with way too much wine.
I ordered both so far. I surmise from the review article that there are going to be 6 offers that are likely coming out. I may have to pause after this one, or at a minimum find a few friends locally I can start splitting cases with. 6 cases is a lot of wine!

But as someone else said, I may never buy another bottle of >$20 wine again (ok, maybe just not as much)
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#30 Post by JDavisRoby » May 15th, 2020, 5:27 pm

Email today says they'll charge for storage if shipping conditions aren't ideal. That is interesting. I haven't seen how much storage will cost.

Well, that solves that. Just tried to buy the latest Cab Franc offering and they won't ship to my state. Oh well.
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#31 Post by Corey N. » May 15th, 2020, 6:02 pm

JDavisRoby wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 5:27 pm
Email today says they'll charge for storage if shipping conditions aren't ideal. That is interesting. I haven't seen how much storage will cost.

Well, that solves that. Just tried to buy the latest Cab Franc offering and they won't ship to my state. Oh well.
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#32 Post by PHuff » May 15th, 2020, 6:16 pm

Corey N. wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 6:02 pm
JDavisRoby wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 5:27 pm
Email today says they'll charge for storage if shipping conditions aren't ideal. That is interesting. I haven't seen how much storage will cost.

Well, that solves that. Just tried to buy the latest Cab Franc offering and they won't ship to my state. Oh well.
15.5%abv is a deal killer for me. If that shit ain’t coming from Portugal, that’s too high a number to be considered proper wine.
Exactly my thought Corey......I find these days that one of the first things I look for in a description of a wine is the % alc........I really want to try one of these de Negoce offers, because the deals are almost too good to be true, but once I saw the 15.5% alc I passed. I passed on the Stagecoach Cab a week ago for the same reason (I think that wine was like 15.2%?). I'm sure they are fine wines, just lately I am looking for more balance and lower alcohol in my wines.......
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#33 Post by Albert R » May 15th, 2020, 6:20 pm

I passed as well. If am buying a case of wine it better check all my must have boxes.
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#34 Post by Carlton McCrindle » May 15th, 2020, 7:57 pm

PHuff wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 6:16 pm
Corey N. wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 6:02 pm
JDavisRoby wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 5:27 pm
Email today says they'll charge for storage if shipping conditions aren't ideal. That is interesting. I haven't seen how much storage will cost.

Well, that solves that. Just tried to buy the latest Cab Franc offering and they won't ship to my state. Oh well.
15.5%abv is a deal killer for me. If that shit ain’t coming from Portugal, that’s too high a number to be considered proper wine.
Exactly my thought Corey......I find these days that one of the first things I look for in a description of a wine is the % alc........I really want to try one of these de Negoce offers, because the deals are almost too good to be true, but once I saw the 15.5% alc I passed. I passed on the Stagecoach Cab a week ago for the same reason (I think that wine was like 15.2%?). I'm sure they are fine wines, just lately I am looking for more balance and lower alcohol in my wines.......
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#35 Post by HoosJustinG » May 15th, 2020, 8:06 pm

Corey N. wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 6:02 pm
JDavisRoby wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 5:27 pm
Email today says they'll charge for storage if shipping conditions aren't ideal. That is interesting. I haven't seen how much storage will cost.

Well, that solves that. Just tried to buy the latest Cab Franc offering and they won't ship to my state. Oh well.
15.5%abv is a deal killer for me. If that shit ain’t coming from Portugal, that’s too high a number to be considered proper wine.
Can you expound a bit on the thought process there? It doesn’t seem all that out of bounds for Cabernet from Napa ... or really anywhere with a warm climate and ripe fruit. What really bothers me about a high ABV is if the wine tastes hot. If the alcohol is well integrated and the wine tastes balanced, why does it matter if it’s 13.5 or 15?
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#36 Post by Robert M yers » May 15th, 2020, 8:22 pm

How do we know it is balanced? This is all declassified wine for some reason and balance could certainly be one issue why it wasn’t used. There is just an exponentially greater chance it’s going to be an issue for every .1% over 15 I’d think.

I think eventually the model is going to run into issues. How many full cases of the same untasted wine can one person buy and store over the summer? I’d probably be a buyer for a couple of bottles per if they let you build a case.

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#37 Post by Corey N. » May 15th, 2020, 9:12 pm

HoosJustinG wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 8:06 pm
Corey N. wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 6:02 pm
JDavisRoby wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 5:27 pm
Email today says they'll charge for storage if shipping conditions aren't ideal. That is interesting. I haven't seen how much storage will cost.

Well, that solves that. Just tried to buy the latest Cab Franc offering and they won't ship to my state. Oh well.
15.5%abv is a deal killer for me. If that shit ain’t coming from Portugal, that’s too high a number to be considered proper wine.
Can you expound a bit on the thought process there? It doesn’t seem all that out of bounds for Cabernet from Napa ... or really anywhere with a warm climate and ripe fruit. What really bothers me about a high ABV is if the wine tastes hot. If the alcohol is well integrated and the wine tastes balanced, why does it matter if it’s 13.5 or 15?
Sure, as Robert said, it's impossible to know that this wine is balanced. But even if we assume that it is balanced, the fruit has to be quite ripe to achieve 15.5%abv levels. Most likely 15.5% is going to be a bigger wine. I tend to prefer wines that are lower alcohol and more lithe. Pus, higher alcohol wines tend to have a negative effect on me the morning after. Given the available evidence, I'm just not interesting in buying 12 bottles of a wine with no notes, even if the price is tempting. YMMV.
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#38 Post by Bill Tex Landreth » May 15th, 2020, 9:46 pm

Robert M yers wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 8:22 pm
How do we know it is balanced? This is all declassified wine for some reason and balance could certainly be one issue why it wasn’t used. There is just an exponentially greater chance it’s going to be an issue for every .1% over 15 I’d think.

I think eventually the model is going to run into issues. How many full cases of the same untasted wine can one person buy and store over the summer? I’d probably be a buyer for a couple of bottles per if they let you build a case.
How exactly do you know it is declassified?
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#39 Post by Nate Simon » May 15th, 2020, 10:26 pm

I've had many <13% ABV wines, many from darlings of the IPOB cultists, that were unquestionably unbalanced. So there's that.

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#40 Post by Robert M yers » May 16th, 2020, 2:16 am

Bill Tex Landreth wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 9:46 pm
Robert M yers wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 8:22 pm
How do we know it is balanced? This is all declassified wine for some reason and balance could certainly be one issue why it wasn’t used. There is just an exponentially greater chance it’s going to be an issue for every .1% over 15 I’d think.

I think eventually the model is going to run into issues. How many full cases of the same untasted wine can one person buy and store over the summer? I’d probably be a buyer for a couple of bottles per if they let you build a case.
How exactly do you know it is declassified?
Ok, the listed description is “bulk” wine. I’m not sure what is implied by the quotes. Go ahead and keep hoping it’s Screaming Eagle or xyz cult and they just made way too much and now want to sell it for $5 a bottle.

Whether bulk or declassified it certainly doesn’t mean the wine is flawed though. I’ve had a lot of CH wines and I can’t remember any of them being flawed. Some were nice, many to most were priced about right though imo. I can’t ever remember not liking one because it was under ripe though :)

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#41 Post by Rich K0rz€nk0 » May 16th, 2020, 3:44 am

Latest offer specifically... the thoughts that ran though my head...

-ABV high, risk , yet not a glaring red flag, more yellow.

-Cab Franc, I likee.

-Hughes, good name in my book.

-Price. not too shabby.

-Stagecoach, good pedigree

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#42 Post by YLee » May 16th, 2020, 4:07 am

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I’d probably be a buyer for a couple of bottles per if they let you build a case.
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Rich K0rz€nk0 wrote:
May 16th, 2020, 3:44 am
Latest offer specifically... the thoughts that ran though my head...

-ABV high, risk , yet not a glaring red flag, more yellow.

-Cab Franc, I likee.

-Hughes, good name in my book.

-Price. not too shabby.

-Stagecoach, good pedigree

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I am in for a case ......I mean 12 a bottle...? Love Cab Franc....

My cousin is buying 1/2 the case.
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#44 Post by Bill Tex Landreth » May 16th, 2020, 7:14 am

Robert M yers wrote:
May 16th, 2020, 2:16 am
Bill Tex Landreth wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 9:46 pm
Robert M yers wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 8:22 pm
How do we know it is balanced? This is all declassified wine for some reason and balance could certainly be one issue why it wasn’t used. There is just an exponentially greater chance it’s going to be an issue for every .1% over 15 I’d think.

I think eventually the model is going to run into issues. How many full cases of the same untasted wine can one person buy and store over the summer? I’d probably be a buyer for a couple of bottles per if they let you build a case.
How exactly do you know it is declassified?
Ok, the listed description is “bulk” wine. I’m not sure what is implied by the quotes. Go ahead and keep hoping it’s Screaming Eagle or xyz cult and they just made way too much and now want to sell it for $5 a bottle.

Whether bulk or declassified it certainly doesn’t mean the wine is flawed though. I’ve had a lot of CH wines and I can’t remember any of them being flawed. Some were nice, many to most were priced about right though imo. I can’t ever remember not liking one because it was under ripe though :)

A mystery and a bargain, it’s always tempting.
Please point out where I hoped it was Screaming Eagle for $5.
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#45 Post by Scott G r u n e r » May 16th, 2020, 8:10 am

wait. this whole concept is garagiste mystery wines but min purchase is a case? Thats a hard no for me.
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#46 Post by MatthewT » May 16th, 2020, 8:22 am

nah, it's not that. it's supposed to be an even greater value than garagiste mystery which is not private label.
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#47 Post by Rich K0rz€nk0 » May 16th, 2020, 8:25 am

rsmithjr wrote:
May 16th, 2020, 6:44 am
Rich K0rz€nk0 wrote:
May 16th, 2020, 3:44 am
Latest offer specifically... the thoughts that ran though my head...

-ABV high, risk , yet not a glaring red flag, more yellow.

-Cab Franc, I likee.

-Hughes, good name in my book.

-Price. not too shabby.

-Stagecoach, good pedigree

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I am in for a case ......I mean 12 a bottle...? Love Cab Franc....

My cousin is buying 1/2 the case.
Exactly. And that's good economics, sharing a case with someone. I should do that more myself.

Yet a case is no big deal at this price. If its not my cup of tea, the remainder end up as gifts for others to give a spin, or just give-aways for obligatory life events when social distancing becomes a punch line.

Comparing with my prior purchase, 2 aged Barolos at 60 a pop for 120 (WTSO thread, not a bad deal), and then 12 of these at a buck forty four. Its not like its 30 - 50 a bottle grape juice where I think on it a bit more.
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#48 Post by Vince L. » May 16th, 2020, 8:28 am

Scott G r u n e r wrote:
May 16th, 2020, 8:10 am
wait. this whole concept is garagiste mystery wines but min purchase is a case? Thats a hard no for me.
I think its more of a Kirkland Signature but by the case & thus cheaper. Typical KS napa runs ~$20. These are under $15 so far.
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#49 Post by MatthewT » May 16th, 2020, 8:32 am

Yah I think that's a better example but even then there are multiple middle men...here it's straight to consumer. Hasn't even been bottled yet. Takes our $, bottles, ships. Which is why $10-$15 instead of $20-$25.
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#50 Post by MatthewT » May 16th, 2020, 8:33 am

Meanwhile this offer has been deleted, no longer appears on the website. Probably an error.
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