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#1 Post by IlkkaL » March 29th, 2020, 1:41 am

I first opened a bottle of modernish 2004 Rioja last night but found myself so appalled by its roundness and the amount of oak that could not help but pour it down the drain. I asked myself what would be a sort of polar opposite for that disappointing experience and very quickly grabbed this bottle knowing that it is still very early days. CT notes were fortunately encouraging - some of them by WB regulars - thanks everybody for blazing the trail.

After only around 30min or so in the decanter I was fully in love with this bottle. In many ways it represents some sort of a Cabernet Franc ideal for me, although naturally there is plenty of room for other expressions as well. This wine is not a gateway drug: you pretty much have to have some level of fondness for the grape (coming from the Loire - obviously - liking an Argentinian Cabernet Franc does little to prepare one) to enjoy this but if you do, I would say the chances are high that you are going to love it. I certainly do and look forward to hoarding more. I've been buying some La Croix Boissée for the cellar and am not looking to rush with them but I am just super happy to have this bottling to drink meanwhile. I don't think the value here can be beaten - this is a complete wine of extremely high quality and authenticity.
  • 2016 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Les Grézeaux - France, Loire Valley, Touraine, Chinon (29.3.2020)
    The nose was first all band-aid but in half an hour or so it had transformed to a beauty. Blackcurrant, paprika, herbs, iron and bouillon are all present and the aromatics are just remarkably expressive and detailed. Medium-bodied on the palate and very light on its feet - no baby fat. Very bright with a sense of clarity, there is nothing forced about this. It possesses a fine structure and gently gripping tannins.The fruit on the palate is savory and uplifting in a high-pitched way. The finish is wonderfully palate-cleansing. For a wine that is known to age easily for a couple of decades it is drinking splendidly well at such a young age.
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#2 Post by Julian Marshall » March 29th, 2020, 2:30 am

IlkkaL wrote:
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I first opened a bottle of modernish 2004 Rioja last night but found myself so appalled by its roundness and the amount of oak that could not help but pour it down the drain. I asked myself what would be a sort of polar opposite for that disappointing experience
Ha - I know the feeling! There are whole sections in my cellar where I just sigh and hold my head in my hands, wondering what induced me to buy those blasted bottles. I've offloaded a truckload of Right Banks, but the problem also concerns other regions, one of which is Rioja, and I even had to pour a Madiran away this week which had the temerity to taste like a St.Emilion.

With the retirement of a certain critic and perhaps the change in people's tastes, there must be hundreds, even thousands of producers around the world who are worried. When you're used to making that stuff how do you change?

Anyway, sorry to digress - that Grézeaux sounds splendid - thanks - I shall go and buy some lickety-split!

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#3 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » March 29th, 2020, 4:59 am

You could not have picked a more classic Loire CF! IMHO, it’s even the most classic in Baudry’s stable. I have the 2016, but have not cracked one, I always think Grezeaux needs the most time. Funny side note, I ordered, by accident, the Croix Boissee 2016 three times from three different retailers, so have an over-supply.

And I’m with you on Rioja and that pungent American oak.

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#4 Post by IlkkaL » March 29th, 2020, 6:54 am

Julian Marshall wrote:
March 29th, 2020, 2:30 am
IlkkaL wrote:
March 29th, 2020, 1:41 am
I first opened a bottle of modernish 2004 Rioja last night but found myself so appalled by its roundness and the amount of oak that could not help but pour it down the drain. I asked myself what would be a sort of polar opposite for that disappointing experience
Ha - I know the feeling! There are whole sections in my cellar where I just sigh and hold my head in my hands, wondering what induced me to buy those blasted bottles. I've offloaded a truckload of Right Banks, but the problem also concerns other regions, one of which is Rioja, and I even had to pour a Madiran away this week which had the temerity to taste like a St.Emilion.

With the retirement of a certain critic and perhaps the change in people's tastes, there must be hundreds, even thousands of producers around the world who are worried. When you're used to making that stuff how do you change?

Anyway, sorry to digress - that Grézeaux sounds splendid - thanks - I shall go and buy some lickety-split!
Ain't nothing wrong with digressing a bit! I've been into wine for 10+ years now and fortunately very early on I got some good assistance from GaryVee and blogs like Brooklynguy and Not drinking poison in Paris that lead me to try things that would change my wine drinking and buying habits forever. It did not take long to realize that I want to drink savory, high acid wines with little to no make-up. That said Rioja is something of a struggle - I have enjoyed a good deal wines from LdH, Ardanza and Remelluri but many others I just find unpleasant. I think many others suffer a lot more from having bought just way too many wines hyped up by Parker & Co - sorry to hear that you are one of them! I hope you will like the Grézeaux as much as I did. [cheers.gif]
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You could not have picked a more classic Loire CF! IMHO, it’s even the most classic in Baudry’s stable. I have the 2016, but have not cracked one, I always think Grezeaux needs the most time. Funny side note, I ordered, by accident, the Croix Boissee 2016 three times from three different retailers, so have an over-supply.

And I’m with you on Rioja and that pungent American oak.
Your new Finnish bestie OttoF strongly disapproved my decision yesterday to open it but I have no regrets as I got a ton of pleasure out of it. I haven't tried the red La Croix Boissée yet but based on my very limited experience I think Les Grézeaux suits my palate better than Le Clos Guillot which is a fine wine in its own right. That said I think there are worse problems to have than owning too much of any wine from Baudry :)
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#5 Post by Ramon C » March 29th, 2020, 7:09 am

I drank a case of this over the last 9 months. The local “sale” prices that it was offered for and the sufficient drinkability that’s enough to satisfy my Loire cab franc craving, had me purchasing 2 consecutive 6-packs and I polished them all off.

I don’t keep these for long-term aging, and have decided long ago that the Croix Boissee will occupy the local crazy-expensive offsite storage space that I can afford.

Here’s my short take on the 2016 Le Grezeaux (vs. the 2017).

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#6 Post by IlkkaL » March 29th, 2020, 7:21 am

Ramon C wrote:
March 29th, 2020, 7:09 am
I drank a case of this over the last 9 months. The local “sale” prices that it was offered for and the sufficient drinkability that’s enough to satisfy my Loire cab franc craving, had me purchasing 2 consecutive 6-packs and I polished them all off.

I don’t keep these for long-term aging, and have decided long ago that the Croix Boissee will occupy the local crazy-expensive offsite storage space that I can afford.

Here’s my short take on the 2016 Le Grezeaux (vs. the 2017).

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=63042&p=2779541&hil ... x#p2779541
I can't blame you there. The price is indeed amazing, cellar space is neither free nor unlimited and one simply needs wines that can be enjoyed young. Thanks for the notes, I must find some 2017 to try.
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#7 Post by Ramon C » March 29th, 2020, 7:47 am

IlkkaL wrote:
March 29th, 2020, 6:54 am

... very early on I got some good assistance from GaryVee and blogs like Brooklynguy
Now, Brooklynguy ... that is a good-influence blog and wine-drinker.
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#8 Post by Tom G l a s g o w » March 29th, 2020, 7:49 am

Ramon C wrote:
March 29th, 2020, 7:47 am
IlkkaL wrote:
March 29th, 2020, 6:54 am

... very early on I got some good assistance from GaryVee and blogs like Brooklynguy
Now, Brooklynguy ... that is a good-influence blog and wine-drinker.
Last I looked it’s still dormant.

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#9 Post by IlkkaL » March 29th, 2020, 8:06 am

Ramon C wrote:
March 29th, 2020, 7:47 am
IlkkaL wrote:
March 29th, 2020, 6:54 am

... very early on I got some good assistance from GaryVee and blogs like Brooklynguy
Now, Brooklynguy ... that is a good-influence blog and wine-drinker.
A fantastic resource and a great read as well. Probably my all time favorite wine blog.
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#10 Post by Claus Jeppesen » March 29th, 2020, 8:36 am

Baudry releases this excellent wine in Magnums
Buy!!!
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#11 Post by Chris V. » March 29th, 2020, 8:41 am

As one of the WBers your reference I'm glad I could point you to this wine. It's great! So delicious today and I have no doubt it'll age for the long haul.
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#12 Post by Chris Seiber » March 29th, 2020, 8:47 am

I had a 2010 of this a few nights ago, and it was a beauty. Such pure, focused fruit, and the signature Loire cab franc elements like tobacco and gravel, but as a secondary player (at this age) to the purity and freshness of the fruit. Long life ahead, but awesome right now.

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#13 Post by James Sanders » March 29th, 2020, 9:12 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
March 29th, 2020, 4:59 am
Funny side note, I ordered, by accident, the Croix Boissee 2016 three times from three different retailers, so have an over-supply.
Glad I"m not the only one this has happened to. Lately, I force myself to search my emails before ordering! Kermit's wines are the ones I do this with the most.

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#14 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » March 29th, 2020, 9:31 am

Claus Jeppesen wrote:
March 29th, 2020, 8:36 am
Baudry releases this excellent wine in Magnums
Buy!!!

Hmmm. I did not know. I have a proverbial shit-ton of Baudry but have never seen a magnum.

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#15 Post by Jayson Cohen » March 29th, 2020, 11:55 am

IlkkaL wrote:
March 29th, 2020, 8:06 am
Ramon C wrote:
March 29th, 2020, 7:47 am
IlkkaL wrote:
March 29th, 2020, 6:54 am

... very early on I got some good assistance from GaryVee and blogs like Brooklynguy
Now, Brooklynguy ... that is a good-influence blog and wine-drinker.
A fantastic resource and a great read as well. Probably my all time favorite wine blog.
I will forward this to Neil. Maybe he will come out of “retirement” given the current circumstances. :)

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#16 Post by IlkkaL » March 30th, 2020, 1:04 am

Jayson Cohen wrote:
March 29th, 2020, 11:55 am
IlkkaL wrote:
March 29th, 2020, 8:06 am
Ramon C wrote:
March 29th, 2020, 7:47 am


Now, Brooklynguy ... that is a good-influence blog and wine-drinker.
A fantastic resource and a great read as well. Probably my all time favorite wine blog.
I will forward this to Neil. Maybe he will come out of “retirement” given the current circumstances. :)
I would love it if he started writing again but I think it does not make any sense if he does not have the fire for it. Clearly when he stopped he had come to a point where writing about wine did not feel as fun anymore as it had been before.
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#17 Post by Otto Forsberg » March 30th, 2020, 2:22 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
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I have a proverbial shit-ton of Baudry
Why am I not surprised

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#18 Post by Ramon C » March 30th, 2020, 10:06 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
March 29th, 2020, 9:31 am
Claus Jeppesen wrote:
March 29th, 2020, 8:36 am
Baudry releases this excellent wine in Magnums
Buy!!!

Hmmm. I did not know. I have a proverbial shit-ton of Baudry but have never seen a magnum.
Not nearly enough [wink.gif] . Also, Claus plays in a different space. 2 years ago, saw a few 1.5L bottles of Le Grezeaux in a wine store in the Netherlands.
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#19 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » March 30th, 2020, 10:08 am

Not surprisingly on your two posts, Otto and Ramon, I was indeed doing some shopping today.....

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#20 Post by Joe Chanley » March 30th, 2020, 12:04 pm

had a 2015 recently that was fun to drink. sure it has a long life ahead, but delicious nonetheless.

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#21 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » March 30th, 2020, 12:20 pm

The 2015 Guillot is sensational, probably the best Baudry has made since I started trying his wines vintages 2005 forward.

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#22 Post by IlkkaL » March 30th, 2020, 12:28 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
March 30th, 2020, 12:20 pm
The 2015 Guillot is sensational, probably the best Baudry has made since I started trying his wines vintages 2005 forward.
The funniest thing. As I am reading this I have another tab open with this wine available for 18 € a bottle. [oops.gif]
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#23 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » March 30th, 2020, 1:00 pm

IlkkaL wrote:
March 30th, 2020, 12:28 pm
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
March 30th, 2020, 12:20 pm
The 2015 Guillot is sensational, probably the best Baudry has made since I started trying his wines vintages 2005 forward.
The funniest thing. As I am reading this I have another tab open with this wine available for 18 € a bottle. [oops.gif]
All. Day. Long.

I reloaded after trying it, so did a double order. And I normally only buy 3-4 of the Guillot per year, loading up more in the Grezeaux and Boissee.

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#24 Post by IlkkaL » March 31st, 2020, 12:32 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
March 30th, 2020, 1:00 pm
IlkkaL wrote:
March 30th, 2020, 12:28 pm
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
March 30th, 2020, 12:20 pm
The 2015 Guillot is sensational, probably the best Baudry has made since I started trying his wines vintages 2005 forward.
The funniest thing. As I am reading this I have another tab open with this wine available for 18 € a bottle. [oops.gif]
All. Day. Long.

I reloaded after trying it, so did a double order. And I normally only buy 3-4 of the Guillot per year, loading up more in the Grezeaux and Boissee.
Thanks for the well timed recommendation!
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#25 Post by joz€f p1nxten » March 31st, 2020, 3:01 am

IlkkaL wrote:
March 31st, 2020, 12:32 am
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
March 30th, 2020, 1:00 pm
IlkkaL wrote:
March 30th, 2020, 12:28 pm

The funniest thing. As I am reading this I have another tab open with this wine available for 18 € a bottle. [oops.gif]
All. Day. Long.

I reloaded after trying it, so did a double order. And I normally only buy 3-4 of the Guillot per year, loading up more in the Grezeaux and Boissee.
Thanks for the well timed recommendation!
Thanks to free shipping offered now by a lot of merchants, I have access to the following to try and no need to buy a certain amount to avoid shipping costs. What would you recommend to get a good feel for Baudry (I am only familiar with Thierry Germain and Clos Rougeard + one bottling of 2013 Joguet):

Grezeaux 2014 @34 EUR
Grezeaux 2015 @16.5 EUR (not sure why the difference with 2014)
Croix Boissée 2017 @24.65 EUR
Croix Boissée 2015 @26 EUR
Guillot 2016 @21.60
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#26 Post by Claus Jeppesen » March 31st, 2020, 3:59 am

The 2014 is Magnum

Unfortunately the Boisee (red and white) is not available in magnums
It is the polished Chinon. I guess even Leve would like it pileon
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#27 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » March 31st, 2020, 4:23 am

Claus Jeppesen wrote:
March 31st, 2020, 3:59 am
The 2014 is Magnum

Unfortunately the Boisee (red and white) is not available in magnums
It is the polished Chinon. I guess even Leve would like it pileon
Ha, Leve would call them “charming” and rate them an 89! [wow.gif]

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I would get them all. Seriously. Solid wines, solid vintages, nice pricing.

If you cannot hoard them all, for your first, I’d go with the 2015 Croix Boissee and try it over 2 days.

I’d really be tempted to - no, actually, I would - buy that Grezeaux magnum and forget about it until 2030 or more. Grezeaux, IMHO, is the cuvee, in classic years like 2014, that needs more time than the others.

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#28 Post by Julian Marshall » March 31st, 2020, 5:00 am

Jozef, the Croix Boissée prices are excellent. If the 2017 is the red, it's actually cheaper than in France, where I'm being quoted 29€.

Robert, Illka and Claus - I've never tried a Grezeaux. The step-up in price from the Grezeaux to Clos Guillot is quite small - I'm sure they're both good, but if I twisted your arm, which would you choose?

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#29 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » March 31st, 2020, 5:17 am

It’s not that easy, Julian. Turns on the vintage. If arm-twisted, it would be Croix Boisse as it is consistently better across the vintages. That said, I think Baudry was even once quoted as saying, in classic years, Grezeaux can be his best wine. It certainly is more archetype classic Loire Cab Franc, think along the lines of Raffault Les Picasses. Guillot, to me, is the merlot of the range, often softer and more rounded.

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#30 Post by IlkkaL » March 31st, 2020, 5:30 am

Based on my very limited experience the main difference is indeed stylistic and you should buy both to try which suits your palate best. So far my "strategy" has indeed been to buy Croix Boissée to age for 15 years from the vintage (I have 2010, 2015 and 2016 and am pondering whether the 2013 is something to buy as it is still available) and simply buy the two other cuvées with no clear cut plan. If buying for current drinking I think Les Grézeaux is the one for me.
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#31 Post by Julian Marshall » March 31st, 2020, 6:35 am

Thanks you two, that's very interesting. I only bought one Grézeaux so far, 2015, so I shall get some more. I did assume that Croix Boissée was the number one wine anyway.

Funny, this is like the Joguet discussion - you do realise that this completely knocks on its head the idea of a Loire classification?!! It would seem that Chris Kissack was right about a Burgundy idea - the "top" wine is not always top, which plot wins depends on the year, etc. So we are light years from Bordeaux, where barring weird goings-on, the Grand Vin is always king of the castle.

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#32 Post by Julian Marshall » March 31st, 2020, 6:38 am

BTW - thread drift or rather thread connection here - you should try a Clos de L'Echo 2014, even you Robert, it's very much in the same vein as Les Picasses.

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#33 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » March 31st, 2020, 6:39 am

Agreed. I think I have said that as well. Note that I have been saying Chene Vert is better than Dioterie, IMHO. As these are different vineyards, it really does vary by vintage and personal taste.

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#34 Post by Ramon C » March 31st, 2020, 7:57 am

joz€f p1nxten wrote:
March 31st, 2020, 3:01 am


Thanks to free shipping offered now by a lot of merchants, I have access to the following to try and no need to buy a certain amount to avoid shipping costs. What would you recommend to get a good feel for Baudry (I am only familiar with Thierry Germain and Clos Rougeard + one bottling of 2013 Joguet):

Grezeaux 2014 @34 EUR
Grezeaux 2015 @16.5 EUR (not sure why the difference with 2014)
Croix Boissée 2017 @24.65 EUR
Croix Boissée 2015 @26 EUR
Guillot 2016 @21.60
If that 2014 Grezeaux is a magnum ... buy!
That is the vintage to hold.
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#35 Post by J. D'Antonio » March 31st, 2020, 8:14 am

joz€f p1nxten wrote:
March 31st, 2020, 3:01 am
IlkkaL wrote:
March 31st, 2020, 12:32 am
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
March 30th, 2020, 1:00 pm


All. Day. Long.

I reloaded after trying it, so did a double order. And I normally only buy 3-4 of the Guillot per year, loading up more in the Grezeaux and Boissee.
Thanks for the well timed recommendation!
Thanks to free shipping offered now by a lot of merchants, I have access to the following to try and no need to buy a certain amount to avoid shipping costs. What would you recommend to get a good feel for Baudry (I am only familiar with Thierry Germain and Clos Rougeard + one bottling of 2013 Joguet):

Grezeaux 2014 @34 EUR
Grezeaux 2015 @16.5 EUR (not sure why the difference with 2014)
Croix Boissée 2017 @24.65 EUR
Croix Boissée 2015 @26 EUR
Guillot 2016 @21.60
Last June, I paid 23.50 Euro at the winery for 2015 Croix Boissee. Due to taxes here in Canada, I paid about 43 Euro for the 2016. If I had a larger luggage allowance, I would have bought more at the winery! At 26 Euro, I'd buy a case. I'd probably buy a case of everything on that list!
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#36 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » March 31st, 2020, 10:04 am

The '15 Boissee is excellent.
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#37 Post by Chris Seiber » March 31st, 2020, 10:22 am

It's interesting at a glance on WSPro how very little Grezeaux is available at retail in the USA right now. Maybe 10 retailers total, and I don't know how many actually have it and can ship it.

Not sure if that means it's getting snapped up, or not much is coming here, or both.

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#38 Post by joz€f p1nxten » March 31st, 2020, 10:26 am

OK... so I bought:

6 x Grezeaux 2014 Magnum
6 x Croix Boissée 2017
6 x Croix Boissée 2015

That's all they had. He was checking whether a restaurant still had the Grezeaux 14 or 15 in 75cl. If my wife doesn't like the wines (unlikely if it's a bit more polished expression of chinon as I have read above), I will blame it on the quarantine and tell her that some random people in the internet whom I have never met in person told me to buy. I think it's called "enablement" (wikipedia: "enabling" has a positive sense of empowering individuals, or a negative sense of encouraging dysfunctional behavior). :-)
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#39 Post by Claus Jeppesen » March 31st, 2020, 10:29 am

Had the 2010 Boisee rouge recently. It was in fact a surprisingly elegant and balanced Cabernet Franc beginning to show an existing potential. Looking very much forward to following this the next 10-20 years
It reminded me of old school St Emillion Cab Franc blend
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#40 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » March 31st, 2020, 11:50 am

Claus Jeppesen wrote:
March 31st, 2020, 10:29 am
Had the 2010 Boisee rouge recently. It was in fact a surprisingly elegant and balanced Cabernet Franc beginning to show an existing potential. Looking very much forward to following this the next 10-20 years
It reminded me of old school St Emillion Cab Franc blend
IMO, the '10 is arguably the pinnacle of Cabernet Franc. Of note, I've still not tried a Rougeard.
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#41 Post by Claus Jeppesen » April 7th, 2020, 9:57 am

I agree. Extremely elegant wine. The Boisee red
I tried the 2014 Boisee. There are many great things coming out of this wine in some years
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#42 Post by JWalter » May 12th, 2020, 8:10 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
March 31st, 2020, 4:23 am


If you cannot hoard them all, for your first, I’d go with the 2015 Croix Boissee and try it over 2 days.
Had this tonight and thought it was awesome. Have always liked Loire CF but not a ton of experience outside some Breton. Loved the fruit especially assuming this was a hot year like everywhere else. Seems “old world ripe’ in the best way

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#43 Post by Faryan Amir-Ghassem¡ » May 12th, 2020, 8:29 pm

Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:
March 31st, 2020, 11:50 am
Claus Jeppesen wrote:
March 31st, 2020, 10:29 am
Had the 2010 Boisee rouge recently. It was in fact a surprisingly elegant and balanced Cabernet Franc beginning to show an existing potential. Looking very much forward to following this the next 10-20 years
It reminded me of old school St Emillion Cab Franc blend
IMO, the '10 is arguably the pinnacle of Cabernet Franc. Of note, I've still not tried a Rougeard.
I’m a huge baudry guy...but the two aren’t comparable.

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#44 Post by joz€f p1nxten » May 13th, 2020, 4:33 am

Faryan Amir-Ghassem¡ wrote:
May 12th, 2020, 8:29 pm
Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:
March 31st, 2020, 11:50 am
Claus Jeppesen wrote:
March 31st, 2020, 10:29 am
Had the 2010 Boisee rouge recently. It was in fact a surprisingly elegant and balanced Cabernet Franc beginning to show an existing potential. Looking very much forward to following this the next 10-20 years
It reminded me of old school St Emillion Cab Franc blend
IMO, the '10 is arguably the pinnacle of Cabernet Franc. Of note, I've still not tried a Rougeard.
I’m a huge baudry guy...but the two aren’t comparable.
That's in the eye of the beholder IMHO - Baudry closer to Rougeard in my taste than for instance Roches Neuves. At least based on my experience with Rougeard and more limited experience with Baudry and Roches Neuves. But again, my personal view and you can debate the meaning of "closer".
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#45 Post by Nathan V. » May 13th, 2020, 7:41 am

Claus Jeppesen wrote:
March 31st, 2020, 3:59 am
Unfortunately the Boisee (red and white) is not available in magnums
I've been trying to get Matthieu to bottle the red in magnum for years but he says that there isn't enough wine to justify a separate bottling run. The only magnum I've ever seen was a 2008 magnum he sent us as a wedding gift. I wonder if 2008 was a birth year for one of his children or something.

Grézeaux is usually available in magnum. I've also never seen a Clos Guillot magnum.
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#46 Post by IlkkaL » May 13th, 2020, 7:58 am

Nathan V. wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 7:41 am
Claus Jeppesen wrote:
March 31st, 2020, 3:59 am
Unfortunately the Boisee (red and white) is not available in magnums
I've been trying to get Matthieu to bottle the red in magnum for years but he says that there isn't enough wine to justify a separate bottling run. The only magnum I've ever seen was a 2008 magnum he sent us as a wedding gift. I wonder if 2008 was a birth year for one of his children or something.

Grézeaux is usually available in magnum. I've also never seen a Clos Guillot magnum.
I'm seeing the 2017 Clos Guillot in magnum as we speak, don't know about past vintages though.
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#47 Post by Nathan V. » May 13th, 2020, 8:20 am

IlkkaL wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 7:58 am
Nathan V. wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 7:41 am
Claus Jeppesen wrote:
March 31st, 2020, 3:59 am
Unfortunately the Boisee (red and white) is not available in magnums
I've been trying to get Matthieu to bottle the red in magnum for years but he says that there isn't enough wine to justify a separate bottling run. The only magnum I've ever seen was a 2008 magnum he sent us as a wedding gift. I wonder if 2008 was a birth year for one of his children or something.

Grézeaux is usually available in magnum. I've also never seen a Clos Guillot magnum.
I'm seeing the 2017 Clos Guillot in magnum as we speak, don't know about past vintages though.
Cool! Also, the Domain bottling comes in magnums.
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#48 Post by JWalter » May 13th, 2020, 6:56 pm

Faryan Amir-Ghassem¡ wrote:
May 12th, 2020, 8:29 pm
Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:
March 31st, 2020, 11:50 am
Claus Jeppesen wrote:
March 31st, 2020, 10:29 am
Had the 2010 Boisee rouge recently. It was in fact a surprisingly elegant and balanced Cabernet Franc beginning to show an existing potential. Looking very much forward to following this the next 10-20 years
It reminded me of old school St Emillion Cab Franc blend
IMO, the '10 is arguably the pinnacle of Cabernet Franc. Of note, I've still not tried a Rougeard.
I’m a huge baudry guy...but the two aren’t comparable.
In what way?

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Re: TN: 2016 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Les Grézeaux

#49 Post by Ramon C » May 14th, 2020, 11:35 am

JWalter wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 6:56 pm
Faryan Amir-Ghassem¡ wrote:
May 12th, 2020, 8:29 pm
Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:
March 31st, 2020, 11:50 am


IMO, the '10 is arguably the pinnacle of Cabernet Franc. Of note, I've still not tried a Rougeard.
I’m a huge baudry guy...but the two aren’t comparable.
In what way?

I'm not Faryan, but am obviously about to chime in. Also have to add that I know that I'm at least as huge a Baudry guy as Faryan.

I've found Rougeard wines, owned/drank sporadic vintages since 1995 (mostly Le Poyeux) and the last being the 2008, to be exceptional in texture and purity. The levels of structural complexities offered and seamlessly-knitted together in Rougeard wines are something that I've not had with any Baudry wines that I've sampled to date.

Granted that I can't recall having had Baudry earlier than 1999 vintage, but I've found aged/matured Rougeard to be crazy good and the experiences are at levels that I've not had in other Loire-based cab franc of the same age, most of which are already good in their own rights.

Just my $0.02.


edited: not a difference maker in the light of the question, but will add anyway that Baudry is Chinon and Rougeard is Saumur.
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Re: TN: 2016 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Les Grézeaux

#50 Post by JWalter » May 14th, 2020, 6:57 pm

Haha I misread that as stating that Baudry was not comparable to Breton. The Rougeard makes sense and explanation I agree with!

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