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What red and white Burgundies are currently in your cellar - by vintage

#1 Post by Howard Cooper » March 26th, 2020, 5:36 am

We have done a number of times the producers we each have the most of but I cannot remember doing this by vintage:

Red:

1 2005
2. 2010
3. 2009
4. 2008
5. 2006

Looking back at these, I think a few factors are in play here other than vintage quality. Surely, 2005 and 2010 are vintage quality. Certainly, older vintages are not on the list because I have been drinking them - of pre-2005 vintages, I have the most 2001s of anything, then 2002 and 1999 (wish I had more of these but they are drinking so well right now). I was not sure why 2006 got to be so high but I think the reason is twofold: (1) I bought a decent amount of Truchot MSD les Sorbes as this was going to be the last time I could buy Truchot young and (2) HAG purchases for the first time. Vintages since 2010 are lower on the list because of age - mine. I made a decision to cut back some after the 2010 vintage.

White:

1. 2014 (by a lot. Love them and they are almost half of all my white Burgundies)
2. 2016
3. 2017 (could still go up some as I wonder if I will like 2018s)
4. 2015 (I was in Burgundy in 2018 and found some Ramonet at good prices, very good prices)
5. 2013

Really, it is 2014 first; 2015-17 fairly close; 2013 very far behind and then only a few bottles older than that some of which may be premoxed. This is keeping with my policy not to age white Burgundies that long anymore, a policy that will be severely challenged by the number of 2014s I bought. And, frankly, if I saw some well priced 2014s, I probably would buy more. Have little control.
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#2 Post by A1ex H » March 26th, 2020, 5:58 am

Howard, this is an interesting thread. My numbers are mostly a reflection of the fact that I started by Burgundy buying in 2011 and, thanks to the en primeur system, buy mostly the same wines every year and occasionally purchase more heavily in vintages I like.

Red:
1. 2015
2. 2014
3. 2011
4. 2018
5. 2012

If we excluded wines that hadn't been delivered, 2016 would replace 2018. The only surprise for me was having 2011 rank so highly. While I'm not as bearish as others on the vintage, it is probably my least favorite red vintage since I started buying regularly. Hence why exercises like this are so interesting. In terms of vintages I've backfilled, I have the most of 2010 followed by 2009.

White:
1. 2012
2. 2014
3. 2015
4. 2013
5. 2016

2012 is my largest holdings because I managed to find a very good deal on some Dauvissat grand crus and bought deeply while continuing to buy what I usually buy. I made special efforts in 2014 to stock up a little more given the quality of the vintage.
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#3 Post by Howard Cooper » March 26th, 2020, 6:33 am

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March 26th, 2020, 5:58 am


2012 is my largest holdings because I managed to find a very good deal on some Dauvissat grand crus and bought deeply while continuing to buy what I usually buy. I made special efforts in 2014 to stock up a little more given the quality of the vintage.
It is interesting that there are times where purchases of one or a couple of producers that one is able to find good deals on or sometimes for other reasons bought a good bit of end up skewing purchases by vintage. For example, I wondered at first why I have so much more reds from 2001 than from other older vintages when I don't remember buying them originally in any greater quantity or drinking them less frequently than other vintages of the time. Then, I remembered the fact that in recent years I have been able to find Rossignol-Trapet 2001 grand crus at the winery at very attractive prices. That explains it.
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#4 Post by A1ex H » March 26th, 2020, 6:37 am

Howard Cooper wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 6:33 am
A1ex H wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 5:58 am


2012 is my largest holdings because I managed to find a very good deal on some Dauvissat grand crus and bought deeply while continuing to buy what I usually buy. I made special efforts in 2014 to stock up a little more given the quality of the vintage.
It is interesting that there are times where purchases of one or a couple of producers that one is able to find good deals on or sometimes for other reasons bought a good bit of end up skewing purchases by vintage. For example, I wondered at first why I have so much more reds from 2001 than from other older vintages when I don't remember buying them originally in any greater quantity or drinking them less frequently than other vintages of the time. Then, I remembered the fact that in recent years I have been able to find Rossignol-Trapet 2001 grand crus at the winery at very attractive prices. That explains it.
Absolutely. I think this is particularly true if you tend to buy pretty consistently vintage to vintage and so less change is required to move a vintage up to the top of a list.
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#5 Post by billnanson » March 26th, 2020, 6:55 am

I practically don't keep whites as I threw so many away in the last 15 years, but reds, here's the top dozen, noting that I stopped buying to cellar with 2010, but still bought a whole bunch of 2012 and in magnum!

2005
1999
2010
2009
1998
2002
2006
2001
2008
2012
1996
2007

Actually a few bottles of just about every vintage to 1976 and a few oddments back to 54. Certainly well under 1k bottles these days...
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#6 Post by Greg K » March 26th, 2020, 7:29 am

Howard Cooper wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 5:36 am
We have done a number of times the producers we each have the most of but I cannot remember doing this by vintage:

Red:

1 2005
2. 2010
3. 2009
4. 2008
5. 2006

Looking back at these, I think a few factors are in play here other than vintage quality. Surely, 2005 and 2010 are vintage quality. Certainly, older vintages are not on the list because I have been drinking them - of pre-2005 vintages, I have the most 2001s of anything, then 2002 and 1999 (wish I had more of these but they are drinking so well right now). I was not sure why 2006 got to be so high but I think the reason is twofold: (1) I bought a decent amount of Truchot MSD les Sorbes as this was going to be the last time I could buy Truchot young and (2) HAG purchases for the first time. Vintages since 2010 are lower on the list because of age - mine. I made a decision to cut back some after the 2010 vintage.

White:

1. 2014 (by a lot. Love them and they are almost half of all my white Burgundies)
2. 2016
3. 2017 (could still go up some as I wonder if I will like 2018s)
4. 2015 (I was in Burgundy in 2018 and found some Ramonet at good prices, very good prices)
5. 2013

Really, it is 2014 first; 2015-17 fairly close; 2013 very far behind and then only a few bottles older than that some of which may be premoxed. This is keeping with my policy not to age white Burgundies that long anymore, a policy that will be severely challenged by the number of 2014s I bought. And, frankly, if I saw some well priced 2014s, I probably would buy more. Have little control.
Interestingly, your white list is almost identical to mine, though I have even less 2015 than you do (so switch 2015 and 2013). I think a lot of the 2013s are drinking pretty well at the moment, and I'd pull more from storage if not for, well.....

Have you liked the Ramonet 15s? I have not.

Given our ages, my reds are mostly 2010 and up, with an emphasis on 2016 which I think is a spectacular vintage.
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#7 Post by Jason T » March 26th, 2020, 7:31 am

I’m a noob, so:

1. 2018
2. 2017

3. 2016


4. 2015






5. 2014

Weighted heavily on ‘18 and ‘17. Though with ‘18 I did not buy heavily due to vintage concerns.
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#8 Post by scamhi » March 26th, 2020, 7:40 am

reds
2005
2002
2010
2006
2008

whites
2014
2017
2016
2015
2008
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#9 Post by Bob Paul » March 26th, 2020, 7:55 am

Reds:

2016
2017
2015
2014
2010

Whites:

2017
2014
2015
2016
2012

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#10 Post by Howard Cooper » March 26th, 2020, 8:41 am

billnanson wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 6:55 am
I practically don't keep whites as I threw so many away in the last 15 years, but reds, here's the top dozen, noting that I stopped buying to cellar with 2010, but still bought a whole bunch of 2012 and in magnum!

2005
1999
2010
2009
1998
2002
2006
2001
2008
2012
1996
2007

Actually a few bottles of just about every vintage to 1976 and a few oddments back to 54. Certainly well under 1k bottles these days...
I commend you on your patience with the 1999s. They are so good.
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#11 Post by Howard Cooper » March 26th, 2020, 8:44 am

Greg K wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 7:29 am
Howard Cooper wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 5:36 am
We have done a number of times the producers we each have the most of but I cannot remember doing this by vintage:

Red:

1 2005
2. 2010
3. 2009
4. 2008
5. 2006

Looking back at these, I think a few factors are in play here other than vintage quality. Surely, 2005 and 2010 are vintage quality. Certainly, older vintages are not on the list because I have been drinking them - of pre-2005 vintages, I have the most 2001s of anything, then 2002 and 1999 (wish I had more of these but they are drinking so well right now). I was not sure why 2006 got to be so high but I think the reason is twofold: (1) I bought a decent amount of Truchot MSD les Sorbes as this was going to be the last time I could buy Truchot young and (2) HAG purchases for the first time. Vintages since 2010 are lower on the list because of age - mine. I made a decision to cut back some after the 2010 vintage.

White:

1. 2014 (by a lot. Love them and they are almost half of all my white Burgundies)
2. 2016
3. 2017 (could still go up some as I wonder if I will like 2018s)
4. 2015 (I was in Burgundy in 2018 and found some Ramonet at good prices, very good prices)
5. 2013

Really, it is 2014 first; 2015-17 fairly close; 2013 very far behind and then only a few bottles older than that some of which may be premoxed. This is keeping with my policy not to age white Burgundies that long anymore, a policy that will be severely challenged by the number of 2014s I bought. And, frankly, if I saw some well priced 2014s, I probably would buy more. Have little control.
Interestingly, your white list is almost identical to mine, though I have even less 2015 than you do (so switch 2015 and 2013). I think a lot of the 2013s are drinking pretty well at the moment, and I'd pull more from storage if not for, well.....

Have you liked the Ramonet 15s? I have not.

Given our ages, my reds are mostly 2010 and up, with an emphasis on 2016 which I think is a spectacular vintage.
I have had two Ramonet whites in recent months. I thought the villages CM was pretty good and well worth what I paid for it. I thought the CM Ruchottes was rich but a bit flabby and nothing special. I am hoping that my 2015 premier crus are just too young and plan to keep them for a while - hope that they develop like his 2009s did.
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#12 Post by Sarah Kirschbaum » March 26th, 2020, 8:50 am

Reds:
2012
2014
2008
2002
2006
2001

Whites:
2014
2012
2010
2008
2013
2015

Due to various circumstances, I totally skipped the 2010 reds. Big mistake, and one I hope to remedy someday at auction.

We stopped buying new release reds around the 2014 vintage.

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#13 Post by Greg K » March 26th, 2020, 8:51 am

Howard Cooper wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 8:44 am
Greg K wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 7:29 am
Howard Cooper wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 5:36 am
We have done a number of times the producers we each have the most of but I cannot remember doing this by vintage:

Red:

1 2005
2. 2010
3. 2009
4. 2008
5. 2006

Looking back at these, I think a few factors are in play here other than vintage quality. Surely, 2005 and 2010 are vintage quality. Certainly, older vintages are not on the list because I have been drinking them - of pre-2005 vintages, I have the most 2001s of anything, then 2002 and 1999 (wish I had more of these but they are drinking so well right now). I was not sure why 2006 got to be so high but I think the reason is twofold: (1) I bought a decent amount of Truchot MSD les Sorbes as this was going to be the last time I could buy Truchot young and (2) HAG purchases for the first time. Vintages since 2010 are lower on the list because of age - mine. I made a decision to cut back some after the 2010 vintage.

White:

1. 2014 (by a lot. Love them and they are almost half of all my white Burgundies)
2. 2016
3. 2017 (could still go up some as I wonder if I will like 2018s)
4. 2015 (I was in Burgundy in 2018 and found some Ramonet at good prices, very good prices)
5. 2013

Really, it is 2014 first; 2015-17 fairly close; 2013 very far behind and then only a few bottles older than that some of which may be premoxed. This is keeping with my policy not to age white Burgundies that long anymore, a policy that will be severely challenged by the number of 2014s I bought. And, frankly, if I saw some well priced 2014s, I probably would buy more. Have little control.
Interestingly, your white list is almost identical to mine, though I have even less 2015 than you do (so switch 2015 and 2013). I think a lot of the 2013s are drinking pretty well at the moment, and I'd pull more from storage if not for, well.....

Have you liked the Ramonet 15s? I have not.

Given our ages, my reds are mostly 2010 and up, with an emphasis on 2016 which I think is a spectacular vintage.
I have had two Ramonet whites in recent months. I thought the villages CM was pretty good and well worth what I paid for it. I thought the CM Ruchottes was rich but a bit flabby and nothing special. I am hoping that my 2015 premier crus are just too young and plan to keep them for a while - hope that they develop like his 2009s did.
It's possible, but I'm not optimistic - I thought the 15s were way too round and flabby, including a couple that I had blind. A shame after the spectacular 14s, though obviously the vintages are totally different.
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#14 Post by Howard Cooper » March 26th, 2020, 9:04 am

Given that I paid about $50 for the CM and $80 for the Ruchottes (including shipping, etc. from Cote d'Or Imports), they were great buys for me and I am happy to try to age them both a few more years.
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#15 Post by etomasi » March 26th, 2020, 9:23 am

Interesting exercise. Just reds. I plan to pick up more 14s and 16s, when possible.

1. 2010
2. 2009
3. 2012
4. 2015
5. 2005
6. 2011
7. 2014
8. 2008
9. 2016
10. 2013/2003
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#16 Post by Ian S » March 26th, 2020, 9:24 am

billnanson wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 6:55 am
I practically don't keep whites as I threw so many away in the last 15 years
Care to elaborate? Premox?
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#17 Post by C. Mc Cart » March 26th, 2020, 9:47 am

Reds
2015
2016
2005
2002
2014
Then it's pretty close among
2012
2006
2010
2013
Not many regrets, although should have bought & kept more '99 & '01's.
2017 or 2019 may be the final vintages of top red burgundy I buy in any quantity, just as 2005 was for all Brdx. I'm 50, and I know that's not old, but I like most reds mature and I don't want to be still waiting for bottles to mature when I'm over 70 (assuming I make it). Also, recent vintage prices are stretching the limits for some wines/ producers I like.


Whites, I've moved onto Ontario (or Champagne) to get my Chard fix, so I don't buy white burgs in any real quantity - still no trust that pox isn't the same threat it was 10 or 15 years ago. However, for interest;
2014
2016
2006
2012
2004
Don't see this trend changing. Can buy really excellent local chards at a fraction of the price.
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#18 Post by Jay Miller » March 26th, 2020, 11:51 am

Interesting exercise. My 2 bottles of white Burgundy are not statistically significant and I've only included red vintages with 6 or more bottles. I theoretically stopped buying new release Burgundy with the 2010 vintage though I made a few exceptions. I just hope I live to drink all my 2005s :). I own more of those than I had realized.

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1999
2008
1995
1993
1998
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2001
2006
1996
2002
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#19 Post by Doug Lee » March 26th, 2020, 12:38 pm

Great exercise when one is stuck at home.

Red only for now:
2005 barely scratching the surface
2010 went long on these but have not tried any
2009 opened a single Drouhin Amoureuses great but young
2008 opened 1-2 a year ago, not ready
2011 hoping these are accessible early like 2007 but haven’t tried any yet

Have consumed most 2000, 2002, and 2007 red burgs in the cellar.

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#20 Post by brodie thomson » March 26th, 2020, 2:05 pm

Agree this is fun exercise while staying at home. Not enough white burgs for a meaningful sample.

Reds:
2010
2009
2012
2006
2005
2008
2011
2013
2007
2002

Cut back my buying in 2013 and 2014 vintages hence little after then. Have drunk many of my 2007s already as they are damn delicious.

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#21 Post by jrozes » March 26th, 2020, 2:38 pm

Just a smattering of whites here. For reds:

1. 2010
2. 2005
3. 2009
4. 2013
5. 2012
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#22 Post by Craig G » March 26th, 2020, 2:55 pm

Red Burgundy:
2012
2014
2015
2010
2016
2008
2013
2009

If I do the same for red Bordeaux, the youngest vintage in the top six is 2000! Only 2014 and 2009 make the top ten.
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#23 Post by maureen nelson » March 26th, 2020, 3:08 pm

Despite frequently donating 2005 red burgundies to charity auctions, I find that they are still (but barely) at the top of my list:

2005 - 16.70% of my red burgs
2010 - 15.4% - yet I've drunk many while hardly sampling my 05s!
1999 - 12.99% - I must have just bought shitloads as I've drunk a bunch I know (will try to dig out that info but part
of it predates my use of CT so....)
2002 - 8.16% - and I've drunk a lot of these too
2008 - 7.61%

Whites - not very meaningful as after a torrid affair with big fat chardonnays in my wine-drinking youth, I became a devoted member of the "ABC" club by the mid-1980s and really only started really enjoying white burgundy and chablis again a few years ago.

2014 - 64.7%
2017 - 11.84% (but this is only 9 bottles so you do the math)
2018 - 10.5%
2016 and 2008 - 3.85% (i.e., 3 bottles from each vintage)

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#24 Post by Howard Cooper » March 26th, 2020, 3:18 pm

Maureen,

What whites are you buying from 2018. The couple of Chablis I had at the Paulee were not my style, but am interested in what people are seeing in the 2018 whites.
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#25 Post by D@ve D y r 0 f f » March 26th, 2020, 3:20 pm

Not counting bottles ordered but not delivered, reds:

2005 (an amount equal to the next two vintages combined)
2015
2017 (almost as many as 2015)
2009
2010 (almost as many as 2009)

I was buying in relatively smaller quantities when the '99s and '02s were released, and have drunk more of them than the more recent vintages, otherwise I'd have more of them and fewer '15 and '17.

Whites - just a smattering, and mostly Chablis, heavy (relatively) on the last 2-3 vintages.

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#26 Post by Howard Cooper » March 26th, 2020, 3:24 pm

Adding percentages:

Reds:

1 2005 (19.8)
2. 2010 (12.6)
3. 2009 (7.1)
4. 2008 (6.5)
5. 2006 (6.4)

Whites:

1. 2014 (41)
2. 2016 (22)
3. 2017 (9 according to cellartracker but I have not added a few bottles coming from Burgundy because I don't know exact price yet)
4. 2015 (12)
5. 2013 (5)
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#27 Post by maureen nelson » March 26th, 2020, 5:38 pm

Sarah Kirschbaum wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 8:50 am


Due to various circumstances, I totally skipped the 2010 reds. Big mistake, and one I hope to remedy someday at auction.
Yeah, you have to remedy that. Really an outstanding vintage.

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#28 Post by maureen nelson » March 26th, 2020, 5:51 pm

Howard Cooper wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 3:18 pm
Maureen,

What whites are you buying from 2018. The couple of Chablis I had at the Paulee were not my style, but am interested in what people are seeing in the 2018 whites.
Mind you, it isn’t so many bottles. Two each H. Boillot meursault genevrieres and puligny clos des moucheres (plus a mag of the latter) for my grand niece’s cellar. And three of his bourgogne blanc to round out the case (rest of case was a pair of boillot’s latricieres and three of his 2017 puligny combettes).

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#29 Post by maureen nelson » March 26th, 2020, 5:53 pm

maureen nelson wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 5:51 pm
Howard Cooper wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 3:18 pm
Maureen,

What whites are you buying from 2018. The couple of Chablis I had at the Paulee were not my style, but am interested in what people are seeing in the 2018 whites.
Mind you, it isn’t so many bottles. Two each H. Boillot meursault genevrieres and puligny clos des moucheres (plus a mag of the latter) for my grand niece’s cellar. And three of his bourgogne blanc to round out the case (rest of case was a pair of boillot’s latricieres and three of his 2017 puligny combettes).
And I haven’t tasted them at all. Just got an offer at a good price and wanted to support the retailer.

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#30 Post by Jayson Cohen » March 26th, 2020, 6:07 pm

I thought 2018 Rollin PV Sous Fretille a couple weeks ago (thanks, Greg K) was quite lovely after a bit of air but much less structured and deep and ultimately a little less interesting than a vintage like 2014, which is the complete package (Corton Charlemagne like as the CW goes).

I own a couple bottles of the 2018.

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#31 Post by Greg Giere » March 26th, 2020, 6:20 pm

Red:


2013
2011
2016
2017
2014 
2006
1976

White:
2017
2015
2012
2013
2014

Sadly, Burgundy makes up only 8% of my cellar [cry.gif]
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#32 Post by Howard Cooper » March 26th, 2020, 6:32 pm

maureen nelson wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 5:38 pm
Sarah Kirschbaum wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 8:50 am


Due to various circumstances, I totally skipped the 2010 reds. Big mistake, and one I hope to remedy someday at auction.
Yeah, you have to remedy that. Really an outstanding vintage.
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#33 Post by A Songeur » March 27th, 2020, 1:19 am

Reds 1 to 4 very close in numbers, then 5 to 9 reasonnably close in numbers
1 - 2009
2 - 2012
3 - 2010
4 - 2005
5 - 2011
6 - 2006
7 - 2008 and 2015
9 - 2014
Whites
2014
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#34 Post by billnanson » March 27th, 2020, 2:25 am

Ian S wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 9:24 am
billnanson wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 6:55 am
I practically don't keep whites as I threw so many away in the last 15 years
Care to elaborate? Premox?
Indeed... Most recently, it seems that my 2010 Ramonet Ruchottes are all shot - the 2011s seem fine, for now...
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#35 Post by JasperMorris » March 27th, 2020, 3:02 am

Here's my Top 20 reds: not enough variation in the whites to be of interest. I have some 2016s still to come. Almost all wines are original purchases though I was able to backfill some 1993 and 1998 recently.

1 2005 14%
2 2010 11%
3 2015 11%
4 2009 9%
5 2008 7%
6 2011 6%
7 2012 5%
8 2014 5%
9 2007 5%
10 2006 4%
11 2002 3%
12 1996 3%
13= 2013 3%
13= 1999 3%
15 2016 3%
16 2004 2%
17 1997 1%
18 1993 1%
19 1990 1%
20 1998 1%

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#36 Post by Mark Golodetz » March 27th, 2020, 3:29 am

Reds
2005
1999
2010
2016
2015
2009
2014


Tiny quantity of whites led by 1992 mainly because I have a mixed case of Lafon. Sold most of what I had after four premoxed bottles in a single night.
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#37 Post by David Gerstenfeld » March 27th, 2020, 4:55 am

Reds Whites
2010 2010
2002 2014
1999 2007
2005 2012
2009 2015
2015 2002
2001
1996

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#38 Post by Tom Blach » March 27th, 2020, 5:24 am

1999
1998
1996
2002
1997
2004
1993
2001


All other post 1989 vintages in some amount. Almost no whites now.

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#39 Post by Paul Jaouen » March 27th, 2020, 6:54 am

Reds only since I don't own a lot of whites:

2005
2010
2008
2012
2009
2002

The 2012 being so high is kind of an anomaly. It consists mostly of a variety of Hubert Lignier wines that I was able to buy at very good prices.
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#40 Post by Greg K » March 27th, 2020, 6:56 am

Howard Cooper wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 9:04 am
Given that I paid about $50 for the CM and $80 for the Ruchottes (including shipping, etc. from Cote d'Or Imports), they were great buys for me and I am happy to try to age them both a few more years.
I hope you’re right for your sake; I’m pretty pessimistic. I think 15 in general was a very specific vintage.
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#41 Post by Howard Cooper » March 27th, 2020, 6:58 am

Greg K wrote:
March 27th, 2020, 6:56 am
Howard Cooper wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 9:04 am
Given that I paid about $50 for the CM and $80 for the Ruchottes (including shipping, etc. from Cote d'Or Imports), they were great buys for me and I am happy to try to age them both a few more years.
I hope you’re right for your sake; I’m pretty pessimistic. I think 15 in general was a very specific vintage.
The villages wine is worth what I paid for it right now IMHO.
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#42 Post by Greg K » March 27th, 2020, 7:02 am

Howard Cooper wrote:
March 27th, 2020, 6:58 am
Greg K wrote:
March 27th, 2020, 6:56 am
Howard Cooper wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 9:04 am
Given that I paid about $50 for the CM and $80 for the Ruchottes (including shipping, etc. from Cote d'Or Imports), they were great buys for me and I am happy to try to age them both a few more years.
I hope you’re right for your sake; I’m pretty pessimistic. I think 15 in general was a very specific vintage.
The villages wine is worth what I paid for it right now IMHO.
Then I suspect you like Ramonet quite a bit more than I do :) And I like Ramonet!
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#43 Post by Subu Ramachandran » March 27th, 2020, 7:14 am

I'm with Greg on this. The only 2 bottles of 15 whites I got were Ramonet Saint Aubins! I avoided 15 whites in general, will be the same for 18s and 19s (both colors). Happy to pay up for better vintages.

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#44 Post by dbailey » March 27th, 2020, 9:23 am

Top 10 reds:
14/14%
10/13%
09/12%
13/11%
05/11%
12/6%
11/4%
15/4%
02/4%
08/3%

Too 10 whites:
14/30%
13/12%
15/12%
17/11%
18/8%
12/7%
10/5%
16/4%
11/4%
9/3%

Burgundy is nearly 60% of my cellar. Delighted to see how long I went on 14 whites!
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#45 Post by Howard Cooper » March 27th, 2020, 11:00 am

JasperMorris wrote:
March 27th, 2020, 3:02 am
Here's my Top 20 reds: not enough variation in the whites to be of interest. I have some 2016s still to come. Almost all wines are original purchases though I was able to backfill some 1993 and 1998 recently.

1 2005 14%
2 2010 11%
3 2015 11%
4 2009 9%
5 2008 7%
6 2011 6%
7 2012 5%
8 2014 5%
9 2007 5%
10 2006 4%
11 2002 3%
12 1996 3%
13= 2013 3%
13= 1999 3%
15 2016 3%
16 2004 2%
17 1997 1%
18 1993 1%
19 1990 1%
20 1998 1%
I know there is some bias in all of this to producers we buy virtually every year, the fact that we tend to drink our older wines and hold our younger wines, etc., but the one that surprises me is you have more 2011s than 2012s and 2014s. I have found 2011 to be a very mixed vintages. Thought I would ask whether you see the vintage differently or whether there are other reasons for this. Thanks for any insight.
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#46 Post by R. Frankel » March 27th, 2020, 11:30 am

White is mostly very recent and is only about 5% of the cellar.
2014 - 44%
2017 - 24%
2013 - 13%

White Burg makes up about 15% of consumption in the last year since I buy a lot for very near term drinking.

Red Burg is about 30% of the cellar (but only 12% of last 12 month consumption). In my cellar quantity order:
2015
2013
2012
2014
2005
2010
2017
2009
2016
2006
2011
1999
2002
2001
2008
1998
2018

Skews young given that I didn’t really start collecting until the 2010/2011 vintages. So yea I’ve been backfilling. In the last year my purchasing was almost 50% pre-2010. This year my goal is more like 70% pre-2010. All the crazy sales on 16/17/18 that are coming in this year’s recession will test my resolve!
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#47 Post by Greg K » March 27th, 2020, 1:18 pm

Subu Ramachandran wrote:
March 27th, 2020, 7:14 am
I'm with Greg on this. The only 2 bottles of 15 whites I got were Ramonet Saint Aubins! I avoided 15 whites in general, will be the same for 18s and 19s (both colors). Happy to pay up for better vintages.
I own more 2015s than that, but not by too much, and I focused very specifically on producers with leaner styles and higher elevation plots. No Meursault, either :)
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#48 Post by maureen nelson » March 27th, 2020, 1:41 pm

Howard Cooper wrote:
March 27th, 2020, 11:00 am
JasperMorris wrote:
March 27th, 2020, 3:02 am
Here's my Top 20 reds: not enough variation in the whites to be of interest. I have some 2016s still to come. Almost all wines are original purchases though I was able to backfill some 1993 and 1998 recently.

1 2005 14%
2 2010 11%
3 2015 11%
4 2009 9%
5 2008 7%
6 2011 6%
7 2012 5%
8 2014 5%
9 2007 5%
10 2006 4%
11 2002 3%
12 1996 3%
13= 2013 3%
13= 1999 3%
15 2016 3%
16 2004 2%
17 1997 1%
18 1993 1%
19 1990 1%
20 1998 1%
I know there is some bias in all of this to producers we buy virtually every year, the fact that we tend to drink our older wines and hold our younger wines, etc., but the one that surprises me is you have more 2011s than 2012s and 2014s. I have found 2011 to be a very mixed vintages. Thought I would ask whether you see the vintage differently or whether there are other reasons for this. Thanks for any insight.
And notice the complete absence of the 2001 vintage from this list - I know from reading him that M. Morris does not care for that vintage's red burgs. Don't understand why.

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#49 Post by Sh@n A » March 27th, 2020, 1:42 pm

What are thoughts on 2009 reds? I thought WB wasn't so bulled up on '09s, but they have popped up a bunch of times here.
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#50 Post by Jay Miller » March 27th, 2020, 1:55 pm

Sh@n A wrote:
March 27th, 2020, 1:42 pm
What are thoughts on 2009 reds? I thought WB wasn't so bulled up on '09s, but they have popped up a bunch of times here.
I was not a fan when they were first released but they firmed up nicely after about a year. More recently I've buried them on the assumption that they're probably shut down. But that isn't based on experience tasting any recently.
Ripe fruit isn't necessarily a flaw.

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