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#51 Post by Pat Burton » March 25th, 2020, 3:51 pm

Gabe Berk wrote:
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Just seems totally sketchy. Person making your food may be healthy but can unknowingly pass on the virus as it sits on nice warm food (perfect environment). The risk reward for me isn't worth it, but for those who can't buy groceries and make a meal, this may be your only option. Keep clean!!!
Hmmm. Maybe you could tutor me on how to buy groceries and cook a meal? Because obviously only someone incapable of doing those things would order take out.

I am concerned about the ongoing viability of the restaurants and small businesses in the community, so I consulted the views of, you know, actual virologists, communicable disease experts, and public health professionals. But maybe those who can't do that research and who don't care about those local businesses might not use that "option."
Neal, I wasn't insinuating you don't know how to buy groceries or cook. As one who drinks vintage Bordeaux, I'm highly confident you know how to cook a meal. I was stating that those who can't buy groceries for various reasons nor have the means to cook a meal only have an option of Door Dash. [truce.gif] I'm sure those in the profession of virology, communicable disease and public health pro's would agree that buying your own food and cooking it is less risk than a restaurant cooking your food and someone else delivering it. Nonetheless, safety be with you and hope we all get out of this healthy [cheers.gif]
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#52 Post by jbray23 » March 25th, 2020, 3:58 pm

Door bell rang, FedEx guy was almost back in his truck before I opened the door.
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#53 Post by RickieM » March 25th, 2020, 4:14 pm

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Shipment from Vincent is on the FedEx truck today so I'm curious to see how they'll handle that.
FedEx showed up, made me sign for it. At least the wine was in good condition, always something to look forward to when it is from Vincent!
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#54 Post by J. Rock » March 25th, 2020, 4:19 pm

My living doorbells alerted me to the FedEx truck pulling up, I went on my lower balcony and the FedEx guys just asked for my first and last name and they signed for me. I'm very pleased with how it went everything considered.
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#55 Post by Gabe Berk » March 25th, 2020, 4:29 pm

Pat Burton wrote:
March 25th, 2020, 3:51 pm
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March 25th, 2020, 2:54 pm
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Hmmm. Maybe you could tutor me on how to buy groceries and cook a meal? Because obviously only someone incapable of doing those things would order take out.

I am concerned about the ongoing viability of the restaurants and small businesses in the community, so I consulted the views of, you know, actual virologists, communicable disease experts, and public health professionals. But maybe those who can't do that research and who don't care about those local businesses might not use that "option."
Neal, I wasn't insinuating you don't know how to buy groceries or cook. As one who drinks vintage Bordeaux, I'm highly confident you know how to cook a meal. I was stating that those who can't buy groceries for various reasons nor have the means to cook a meal only have an option of Door Dash. [truce.gif] I'm sure those in the profession of virology, communicable disease and public health pro's would agree that buying your own food and cooking it is less risk than a restaurant cooking your food and someone else delivering it. Nonetheless, safety be with you and hope we all get out of this healthy [cheers.gif]
Viruses are not bacteria. You appear to know nothing about how viruses grow and spread. Please educate yourself before spreading incorrect information further.
Pat, I was stating it was sketchy eating restaurant food from delivery such as Door Dash. I thought that was an opinion, not spreading info yeah? Sorry I wandered off this whole thread subject!!!

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#56 Post by Jim F » March 25th, 2020, 4:31 pm

I had to sign today.
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#57 Post by John Morris » March 25th, 2020, 4:43 pm

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Didn’t require a signature. But driver said (from a distance ) that if an adult didn’t come to the door that he wouldn’t have left the package .
In NY, people can ride buses for free because they're opening only the back doors in order to protect drivers. Same principle. You lose some fares = the occasional package goes to the wrong place.
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#58 Post by Gray G » March 25th, 2020, 5:03 pm

thank you FedEx and UPS
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#59 Post by Steve L Gellman » March 25th, 2020, 5:11 pm

Is everyone wiping down their packages

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#60 Post by Cris Whetstone » March 25th, 2020, 5:22 pm

Steve L Gellman wrote:
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Is everyone wiping down their packages
Up and down.
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#61 Post by Albert R » March 25th, 2020, 5:32 pm

Yes, wipe it down or leave it alone for a few days. UPS is so bad in South Florida that it makes FedEx look amazing when in fact they are just good enough. I love the staff at my FedEx Store.
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#62 Post by Greg Gardner » March 25th, 2020, 5:39 pm

My Bedrock shipment arrived today. I opened the door when I saw the FedEx truck. Driver immediately said “I can sign for you” and left the boxes on the porch.

I hadn’t thought about wiping boxes down since from what I’ve read, cardboard is a poor surface for viruses to persist, but I’ve been washing my hands thoroughly after touching any sort of package or box from the outside world.

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#63 Post by NickRut » March 25th, 2020, 5:49 pm

My ups man texts me and asks if I want to sign. Works out
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#64 Post by Pat Burton » March 25th, 2020, 5:53 pm

Gabe Berk wrote:
March 25th, 2020, 4:29 pm
Pat Burton wrote:
March 25th, 2020, 3:51 pm
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March 25th, 2020, 2:54 pm


Neal, I wasn't insinuating you don't know how to buy groceries or cook. As one who drinks vintage Bordeaux, I'm highly confident you know how to cook a meal. I was stating that those who can't buy groceries for various reasons nor have the means to cook a meal only have an option of Door Dash. [truce.gif] I'm sure those in the profession of virology, communicable disease and public health pro's would agree that buying your own food and cooking it is less risk than a restaurant cooking your food and someone else delivering it. Nonetheless, safety be with you and hope we all get out of this healthy [cheers.gif]
Viruses are not bacteria. You appear to know nothing about how viruses grow and spread. Please educate yourself before spreading incorrect information further.
Pat, I was stating it was sketchy eating restaurant food from delivery such as Door Dash. I thought that was an opinion, not spreading info yeah? Sorry I wandered off this whole thread subject!!!
Perhaps I'm misremembering some of your posts, but it is 100% incorrect to suggest that virus load is increasing via warm food. Viruses cannot reproduce on food or any other surface. Survive and infect, yes. It has nothing to do with food temps though. Taking proper precautions on food packaging and handling is wise. There is a fine line between an opinion, as you state, and unintentionally causing further panic. If you'd like to chat about this in another thread or via PM, I'd be happy to do so. I have a doctorate in Biology and would be happy to answer basic microbiology questions people have - here or elsewhere.
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#65 Post by Merrill Lindquist » March 25th, 2020, 6:02 pm

I must say this is the most extreme treatise I have seen that is related to the virus. I'll probably be the first one on the Board to kick off due to the virus, but I can't live the way that is being discussed here. I admire the dedication of all you glove wearers, waivers, and wipers, but I just can't do it.
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#66 Post by JDavisRoby » March 25th, 2020, 7:12 pm

LSO and UPS made spring deliveries today. Neither asked for signature. But did a recognition signer was of age.
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#67 Post by williamwhelan » March 25th, 2020, 7:27 pm

I've gotten about 11 deliveries from FedEx in the last two weeks (apartment building, first floor walk up) and each time, the driver drops the box, walks down, and waits for me to come grab the box. Strange, but again, strange times call for flexibility. We have more important things to worry about.
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#68 Post by Mike Evans » March 25th, 2020, 7:29 pm

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Fedex came by, I started walking toward the truck, and he split before I could approach. "Delivery exception - delivery requires signature from an adult." He didn't even get out of the truck. Oh well - weird times, can't complain, and I'll be here tomorrow of course.
I would have no problem complaining about this. Today’s driver’s laziness or indifference to doing his job correctly the first time adds to tomorrow’s work for either that driver or, worse, another driver who may have to pick up today’s driver’s slack.

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#69 Post by Glen Gold » March 25th, 2020, 9:27 pm

Mike Evans wrote:
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Fedex came by, I started walking toward the truck, and he split before I could approach. "Delivery exception - delivery requires signature from an adult." He didn't even get out of the truck. Oh well - weird times, can't complain, and I'll be here tomorrow of course.
I would have no problem complaining about this. Today’s driver’s laziness or indifference to doing his job correctly the first time adds to tomorrow’s work for either that driver or, worse, another driver who may have to pick up today’s driver’s slack.
I see your point, but also there's this virus going around that's messing everything up and I can be patient with people who are doing us services.
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#70 Post by P@u1_M3nk3s » March 25th, 2020, 10:15 pm

Both UPS and FedEx dropped off shipments today. Both put it on the porch, rang the bell and left. I was able to yell "thank you" to both while they were going up the walk.
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#71 Post by dougwilder » March 26th, 2020, 3:54 am

I'm shifting all my deliveries to home temporarily from the UPS store as I'm expecting North Coast samples (some wineries are just dropping off) with instructions including a copy of my CDL and PGE bill to verify that I live here to please leave the package on the porch to go through possible virus decay overnight. Its like 40 at night and I don't exactly live in a high-crime area.
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#72 Post by AndrewH » March 26th, 2020, 9:22 am

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March 25th, 2020, 5:39 pm
My Bedrock shipment arrived today. I opened the door when I saw the FedEx truck. Driver immediately said “I can sign for you” and left the boxes on the porch.

I hadn’t thought about wiping boxes down since from what I’ve read, cardboard is a poor surface for viruses to persist, but I’ve been washing my hands thoroughly after touching any sort of package or box from the outside world.
There's some suggestion that the virus can linger 24 hours on cardboard. Simple solution is either to put the box in your cellar and leave it for a bit (1 day) or remove the wine from the box, toss the box, and then clean your hands. Seems like as you're doing the latter you should be just fine.
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#73 Post by larry schaffer » March 26th, 2020, 9:29 am

I guess the 'assumption' is that everyone is home these days, at least in most states, so the change of having an adult at home is higher than normal, right? I do feel for these drivers - imagine how many returns they are getting from wineries/etc shipping to business addresses . . .

All of that said, I still don't feel it's right to drop off and run off unless they KNOW that there is an adult at home. And I do wonder how many 'wrong address' deliveries occur and the correct person doesn't get what they ordered (has happened to a few of my wine shipments to others over the past few years . . .).

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#74 Post by Neal.Mollen » March 26th, 2020, 9:31 am

Merrill Lindquist wrote:
March 25th, 2020, 6:02 pm
I must say this is the most extreme treatise I have seen that is related to the virus. I'll probably be the first one on the Board to kick off due to the virus, but I can't live the way that is being discussed here. I admire the dedication of all you glove wearers, waivers, and wipers, but I just can't do it.
The problem, Merrill, is that you aren't just making decisions for yourself. Someone who decides to "take the risk" for themselves is actually deciding to take risks on behalf of everyone he or she comes in contact with (and everyone that they come on contact with).

As for temperature, the fatty surface of the virus is very thin and weak. High temperatures destroy the virus. It is good practice (if you are getting delivery or take-out) to reheat the food so it is HOT, not merely warm.
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#75 Post by Merrill Lindquist » March 26th, 2020, 9:38 am

Neal.Mollen wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 9:31 am
Merrill Lindquist wrote:
March 25th, 2020, 6:02 pm
I must say this is the most extreme treatise I have seen that is related to the virus. I'll probably be the first one on the Board to kick off due to the virus, but I can't live the way that is being discussed here. I admire the dedication of all you glove wearers, waivers, and wipers, but I just can't do it.
The problem, Merrill, is that you aren't just making decisions for yourself. Someone who decides to "take the risk" for themselves is actually deciding to take risks on behalf of everyone he or she comes in contact with (and everyone that they come on contact with).

As for temperature, the fatty surface of the virus is very thin and weak. High temperatures destroy the virus. It is good practice (if you are getting delivery or take-out) to reheat the food so it is HOT, not merely warm.
I live alone. I work from home. I have not left my property in 10 days, when I did my last food shopping. I cook for myself and clean up for myself. Our local food market has designated Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays from 8-9 in the morning for my age group to shop. They are allowing no more than 20 people at any time in the store, regardless of age group.

I have had FedEx deliver some Champagne, but he left it for me and signed off for me.

That's about it.
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#76 Post by Neal.Mollen » March 26th, 2020, 10:30 am

Merrill Lindquist wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 9:38 am
Neal.Mollen wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 9:31 am
Merrill Lindquist wrote:
March 25th, 2020, 6:02 pm
I must say this is the most extreme treatise I have seen that is related to the virus. I'll probably be the first one on the Board to kick off due to the virus, but I can't live the way that is being discussed here. I admire the dedication of all you glove wearers, waivers, and wipers, but I just can't do it.
The problem, Merrill, is that you aren't just making decisions for yourself. Someone who decides to "take the risk" for themselves is actually deciding to take risks on behalf of everyone he or she comes in contact with (and everyone that they come on contact with).

As for temperature, the fatty surface of the virus is very thin and weak. High temperatures destroy the virus. It is good practice (if you are getting delivery or take-out) to reheat the food so it is HOT, not merely warm.
I live alone. I work from home. I have not left my property in 10 days, when I did my last food shopping. I cook for myself and clean up for myself. Our local food market has designated Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays from 8-9 in the morning for my age group to shop. They are allowing no more than 20 people at any time in the store, regardless of age group.

I have had FedEx deliver some Champagne, but he left it for me and signed off for me.

That's about it.
Sounds like you are doing it exactly right! Not sure why you said you couldn't do it.
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#77 Post by Howard Cooper » March 26th, 2020, 10:42 am

MitchTallan wrote:
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There is a good article in today's WSJ about the drivers.
They tend to be underpaid with no bennies. And yet they are expected to do their job in this crisis, subjecting themselves to becoming ill with no health insurance.
Absurd.
I bet there are three million newly unemployed people who would take the job in a minute and do their best to stay safe.
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#78 Post by MitchTallan » March 26th, 2020, 10:42 am

Merrill Lindquist wrote:
March 25th, 2020, 6:02 pm
I must say this is the most extreme treatise I have seen that is related to the virus. I'll probably be the first one on the Board to kick off due to the virus, but I can't live the way that is being discussed here. I admire the dedication of all you glove wearers, waivers, and wipers, but I just can't do it.
I'm right there with you Merrill. I am continuing to come into the office daily. Our Governor issued a Stay at Home Order but half of all trades are excepted as "essential workers" including, get this, lawyers.
Bicycle Shops are in there as "essential businesses" and believe me, I think they are compared to us stinking lawyers!
But back to the point-yes, I just stuck my fingers in my mouth and then into my nose ten seconds ago to make a point to a young lawyer in our office who has been freaking out regularly.
I don't particularly want to die of pneumonia-my mom was in the ICU with it, on a respirator, a year ago after an ill-advised trip to Mexico. It is a nasty way to go.
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#79 Post by Howard Cooper » March 26th, 2020, 10:44 am

Steve L Gellman wrote:
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Is everyone wiping down their packages
We are letting most things we get (mail, nonperishable food packages, etc.) sit for a day when we get them.
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#80 Post by BobMilton » March 26th, 2020, 10:57 am

dave kammerer wrote:
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Fedex driver dropped the boxes at the door, left when he saw me open the door.
Same with UPS yesterday.

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#81 Post by Evan Tunis » March 26th, 2020, 10:59 am

Just told my deliver person to leave it at the door. Didn't ask for ID or to sign..

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#82 Post by Philip G » March 26th, 2020, 11:03 am

Noticed yesterday the mail carrier wasn't wearing gloves! So, no need to handle mail then make sure to wash hands or as others are doing let it sit for a day somewhere.

Most wine shipments are still going to Fedex or UPS stores where I pick up since they are open.
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#83 Post by Markus S » March 26th, 2020, 11:20 am

Where is everybody finding these lax delivery drivers from? We need to sign, they ask your name again, confirm the address, only then can you get your little precious. No alcohol is ever simply "left". They could be fired or disciplined for that.
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#84 Post by David K o l i n » March 26th, 2020, 11:27 am

Gabe Berk wrote:
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Just seems totally sketchy. Person making your food may be healthy but can unknowingly pass on the virus as it sits on nice warm food (perfect environment). The risk reward for me isn't worth it, but for those who can't buy groceries and make a meal, this may be your only option. Keep clean!!!
Hmmm. Maybe you could tutor me on how to buy groceries and cook a meal? Because obviously only someone incapable of doing those things would order take out.

I am concerned about the ongoing viability of the restaurants and small businesses in the community, so I consulted the views of, you know, actual virologists, communicable disease experts, and public health professionals. But maybe those who can't do that research and who don't care about those local businesses might not use that "option."
Neal, I wasn't insinuating you don't know how to buy groceries or cook. As one who drinks vintage Bordeaux, I'm highly confident you know how to cook a meal. I was stating that those who can't buy groceries for various reasons nor have the means to cook a meal only have an option of Door Dash. [truce.gif] I'm sure those in the profession of virology, communicable disease and public health pro's would agree that buying your own food and cooking it is less risk than a restaurant cooking your food and someone else delivering it. Nonetheless, safety be with you and hope we all get out of this healthy [cheers.gif]
I’ve not seen this advice from medicos or scientists yet. There is a ton of potential exposure at the grocery store. Many more people

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#85 Post by Philip G » March 26th, 2020, 12:52 pm

David K o l i n wrote:
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Hmmm. Maybe you could tutor me on how to buy groceries and cook a meal? Because obviously only someone incapable of doing those things would order take out.

I am concerned about the ongoing viability of the restaurants and small businesses in the community, so I consulted the views of, you know, actual virologists, communicable disease experts, and public health professionals. But maybe those who can't do that research and who don't care about those local businesses might not use that "option."
Neal, I wasn't insinuating you don't know how to buy groceries or cook. As one who drinks vintage Bordeaux, I'm highly confident you know how to cook a meal. I was stating that those who can't buy groceries for various reasons nor have the means to cook a meal only have an option of Door Dash. [truce.gif] I'm sure those in the profession of virology, communicable disease and public health pro's would agree that buying your own food and cooking it is less risk than a restaurant cooking your food and someone else delivering it. Nonetheless, safety be with you and hope we all get out of this healthy [cheers.gif]
I’ve not seen this advice from medicos or scientists yet. There is a ton of potential exposure at the grocery store. Many more people
We ordered out on Tuesday and will probably try to once a week or so to support local restaurants. As you said, it seems the risk is about the same as the grocery store but maybe even less because we're not going into the restaurant, it's curbside pickup. We ordered from a restaurant with a very good reputation and has information on how they are preparing the food and doing the pickup.
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#86 Post by Neal.Mollen » March 26th, 2020, 1:24 pm

Again, the take out risk is all in the packaging. Well, there is a slightly elevated risk in uncooked food, but the same is true of veggies you buy in the super market and serve raw at home. Actually, the latter seems riskier, as the veggies in the store are on display and presumably available to be picked over by other consumers.

We've gotten take out I think 4X since going under house arrest. Remove from pkgs and discard wearing gloves, disinfect the area, put food in your own containers, and reheat (microwave and/or oven) until it is HOT).
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#87 Post by MitchTallan » March 26th, 2020, 1:38 pm

Neal.Mollen wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 1:24 pm
Again, the take out risk is all in the packaging. Well, there is a slightly elevated risk in uncooked food, but the same is true of veggies you buy in the super market and serve raw at home. Actually, the latter seems riskier, as the veggies in the store are on display and presumably available to be picked over by other consumers.

We've gotten take out I think 4X since going under house arrest. Remove from pkgs and discard wearing gloves, disinfect the area, put food in your own containers, and reheat (microwave and/or oven) until it is HOT).
I don't think that is necessary. I didn't read all your posts in this crazy thread Neal so maybe we are mostly saying the same thing.
There is no evidence that you can contract Covid-19 from prepared food absent fecal transmission.
Again, there is reason and then there is something other than reason. Sometimes it is just "overly cautious" but it easily becomes hysteria.
Air borne droplets are the number one cause. Touching the virus and putting hands to mucous membrane is second. Touching something is limited to 48 hours on hard surfaces and not nearly as likely on soft.

My source? Oh, just something I read in the National Enquirer. Or no, I think it was better than that; https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... ction.html

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#88 Post by Neal.Mollen » March 26th, 2020, 1:41 pm

MitchTallan wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 1:38 pm
Neal.Mollen wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 1:24 pm
Again, the take out risk is all in the packaging. Well, there is a slightly elevated risk in uncooked food, but the same is true of veggies you buy in the super market and serve raw at home. Actually, the latter seems riskier, as the veggies in the store are on display and presumably available to be picked over by other consumers.

We've gotten take out I think 4X since going under house arrest. Remove from pkgs and discard wearing gloves, disinfect the area, put food in your own containers, and reheat (microwave and/or oven) until it is HOT).
I don't think that is necessary. I didn't read all your posts in this crazy thread Neal so maybe we are mostly saying the same thing.
There is no evidence that you can contract Covid-19 from prepared food absent fecal transmission.
Again, there is reason and then there is something other than reason. Sometimes it is just "overly cautious" but it easily becomes hysteria.
Air borne droplets are the number one cause. Touching the virus and putting hands to mucous membrane is second. Touching something is limited to 48 hours on hard surfaces and not nearly as likely on soft.

My source? Oh, just something I read in the National Enquirer. Or no, I think it was better than that; https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... ction.html
No, I am with you 100%. I've read that guidance and as I suggested above, a lot of other stuff on topic on the web. But the virus can survive on cardboard and plastic for a non-trivial period of time though. Better-safe-than-sorry measure to get rid of the packaging and heat the food that was in contact of the packaging seems extremely easy and worth doing (for me). May well be unnecessary.
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#89 Post by lleichtman » March 26th, 2020, 1:56 pm

Steve L Gellman wrote:
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Is everyone wiping down their packages
Oh yeah. Everything coming from outside is wiped down with Lysol.
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#90 Post by Philip G » March 26th, 2020, 2:07 pm

Neal.Mollen wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 1:41 pm
MitchTallan wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 1:38 pm
Neal.Mollen wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 1:24 pm
Again, the take out risk is all in the packaging. Well, there is a slightly elevated risk in uncooked food, but the same is true of veggies you buy in the super market and serve raw at home. Actually, the latter seems riskier, as the veggies in the store are on display and presumably available to be picked over by other consumers.

We've gotten take out I think 4X since going under house arrest. Remove from pkgs and discard wearing gloves, disinfect the area, put food in your own containers, and reheat (microwave and/or oven) until it is HOT).
I don't think that is necessary. I didn't read all your posts in this crazy thread Neal so maybe we are mostly saying the same thing.
There is no evidence that you can contract Covid-19 from prepared food absent fecal transmission.
Again, there is reason and then there is something other than reason. Sometimes it is just "overly cautious" but it easily becomes hysteria.
Air borne droplets are the number one cause. Touching the virus and putting hands to mucous membrane is second. Touching something is limited to 48 hours on hard surfaces and not nearly as likely on soft.

My source? Oh, just something I read in the National Enquirer. Or no, I think it was better than that; https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... ction.html
No, I am with you 100%. I've read that guidance and as I suggested above, a lot of other stuff on topic on the web. But the virus can survive on cardboard and plastic for a non-trivial period of time though. Better-safe-than-sorry measure to get rid of the packaging and heat the food that was in contact of the packaging seems extremely easy and worth doing (for me). May well be unnecessary.
Well, if somebody with the virus sneezed on your food before putting it into the container wouldn't that then get to your mouth when you eat it?

I did read that microwaving can "kill" it, 2 minutes is best for heat but maybe even as little as 5 seconds. I would say nuke it for as long as you can without ruining it.
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#91 Post by Neal.Mollen » March 26th, 2020, 2:10 pm

Philip G wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 2:07 pm
Neal.Mollen wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 1:41 pm
MitchTallan wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 1:38 pm


I don't think that is necessary. I didn't read all your posts in this crazy thread Neal so maybe we are mostly saying the same thing.
There is no evidence that you can contract Covid-19 from prepared food absent fecal transmission.
Again, there is reason and then there is something other than reason. Sometimes it is just "overly cautious" but it easily becomes hysteria.
Air borne droplets are the number one cause. Touching the virus and putting hands to mucous membrane is second. Touching something is limited to 48 hours on hard surfaces and not nearly as likely on soft.

My source? Oh, just something I read in the National Enquirer. Or no, I think it was better than that; https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... ction.html
No, I am with you 100%. I've read that guidance and as I suggested above, a lot of other stuff on topic on the web. But the virus can survive on cardboard and plastic for a non-trivial period of time though. Better-safe-than-sorry measure to get rid of the packaging and heat the food that was in contact of the packaging seems extremely easy and worth doing (for me). May well be unnecessary.
Well, if somebody with the virus sneezed on your food before putting it into the container wouldn't that then get to your mouth when you eat it?

I did read that microwaving can "kill" it, 2 minutes is best for heat but maybe even as little as 5 seconds. I would say nuke it for as long as you can without ruining it.
That's the plan (although I am not sure how great the risk is that someone in the kitchen will actually serve you food they sneezed into)
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#92 Post by John Glas » March 26th, 2020, 2:16 pm

Is everyone wiping down their packages
Just spraying it off with soap and water! neener
Honestly I would just leave it in my garage for 3 or 4 days as the weather in MN is fine to do that. Most stuff I am shipping in are not wines I will drink for a while.

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#93 Post by Gabe Berk » March 26th, 2020, 2:36 pm

Philip G wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 2:07 pm
Neal.Mollen wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 1:41 pm
MitchTallan wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 1:38 pm


I don't think that is necessary. I didn't read all your posts in this crazy thread Neal so maybe we are mostly saying the same thing.
There is no evidence that you can contract Covid-19 from prepared food absent fecal transmission.
Again, there is reason and then there is something other than reason. Sometimes it is just "overly cautious" but it easily becomes hysteria.
Air borne droplets are the number one cause. Touching the virus and putting hands to mucous membrane is second. Touching something is limited to 48 hours on hard surfaces and not nearly as likely on soft.

My source? Oh, just something I read in the National Enquirer. Or no, I think it was better than that; https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... ction.html
No, I am with you 100%. I've read that guidance and as I suggested above, a lot of other stuff on topic on the web. But the virus can survive on cardboard and plastic for a non-trivial period of time though. Better-safe-than-sorry measure to get rid of the packaging and heat the food that was in contact of the packaging seems extremely easy and worth doing (for me). May well be unnecessary.
Well, if somebody with the virus sneezed on your food before putting it into the container wouldn't that then get to your mouth when you eat it?

I did read that microwaving can "kill" it, 2 minutes is best for heat but maybe even as little as 5 seconds. I would say nuke it for as long as you can without ruining it.
I rest my case. If the food handler sneezes or unknowingly wipes his nose or mouth there is a potential to carry the virus directly into my mouth. I really want a deli sandwich from my local store, but the risk with all the different veggies being prepped by various people, meat, cheese, bread, wrapper, etc. being touched by the sandwich maker and those prepping said veggies and cheese/meats is sketchy. I'd rather, which in my opinion is less risk, wash my own fruits and veggies and cook my own food. Just trying to eliminate some of the risks of getting this virus by NOT having other people making my food and then others delivering it. Again, its just an opinion-nothing more. Hope we all get out of this safe and healthy!!! [cheers.gif]

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#94 Post by MitchTallan » March 26th, 2020, 2:56 pm

Philip G wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 2:07 pm
Neal.Mollen wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 1:41 pm
MitchTallan wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 1:38 pm


I don't think that is necessary. I didn't read all your posts in this crazy thread Neal so maybe we are mostly saying the same thing.
There is no evidence that you can contract Covid-19 from prepared food absent fecal transmission.
Again, there is reason and then there is something other than reason. Sometimes it is just "overly cautious" but it easily becomes hysteria.
Air borne droplets are the number one cause. Touching the virus and putting hands to mucous membrane is second. Touching something is limited to 48 hours on hard surfaces and not nearly as likely on soft.

My source? Oh, just something I read in the National Enquirer. Or no, I think it was better than that; https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... ction.html
No, I am with you 100%. I've read that guidance and as I suggested above, a lot of other stuff on topic on the web. But the virus can survive on cardboard and plastic for a non-trivial period of time though. Better-safe-than-sorry measure to get rid of the packaging and heat the food that was in contact of the packaging seems extremely easy and worth doing (for me). May well be unnecessary.
Well, if somebody with the virus sneezed on your food before putting it into the container wouldn't that then get to your mouth when you eat it?

I did read that microwaving can "kill" it, 2 minutes is best for heat but maybe even as little as 5 seconds. I would say nuke it for as long as you can without ruining it.
IMH, no. This is where lay people are their own worst enemy. Airborne droplets going from respiratory system to respiratory system is night and day different than airborne droplets landing on a porous host such as food. Your imagination is getting the better of you. Sorry, but that is just the truth. Some doctor might jump on and say that it is certainly possible for the virus to go from a cough upon food to ingestion to infection. Sure, it probably is possible but the science happens to be that it is relatively unlikely. Buying and eating prepared food is little or no more dangerous than it was in the days of contaminated In-N-Out burgers and bad spinach.

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#95 Post by Frank Murray III » March 26th, 2020, 3:28 pm

UPS just dropped off my Rivers-Marie and we managed 6 feet of distance. Didn't require me to sign, which I appreciated. He knows I am who I am, that I am older than 21 as well. My driver is gold, a guy doing his job and staying out 'in it' to help move at least this part of the economy.
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#96 Post by Philip G » March 26th, 2020, 3:39 pm

MitchTallan wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 2:56 pm
Philip G wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 2:07 pm
Neal.Mollen wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 1:41 pm


No, I am with you 100%. I've read that guidance and as I suggested above, a lot of other stuff on topic on the web. But the virus can survive on cardboard and plastic for a non-trivial period of time though. Better-safe-than-sorry measure to get rid of the packaging and heat the food that was in contact of the packaging seems extremely easy and worth doing (for me). May well be unnecessary.
Well, if somebody with the virus sneezed on your food before putting it into the container wouldn't that then get to your mouth when you eat it?

I did read that microwaving can "kill" it, 2 minutes is best for heat but maybe even as little as 5 seconds. I would say nuke it for as long as you can without ruining it.
IMH, no. This is where lay people are their own worst enemy. Airborne droplets going from respiratory system to respiratory system is night and day different than airborne droplets landing on a porous host such as food. Your imagination is getting the better of you. Sorry, but that is just the truth. Some doctor might jump on and say that it is certainly possible for the virus to go from a cough upon food to ingestion to infection. Sure, it probably is possible but the science happens to be that it is relatively unlikely. Buying and eating prepared food is little or no more dangerous than it was in the days of contaminated In-N-Out burgers and bad spinach.
I did a quick search and the consensus is that there is no evidence that it is being transmitted through handling of food. As you said, respiratory to respiratory is the main way. Or handling to handling to mouth/nose/eyes (why eyes?). However, there has been some seen in stool, so there is some virus getting into the digestive system in some cases.

That does make me feel better about ordering out but I will still be cautious where I order from, what I order and how I handle it.
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#97 Post by David K o l i n » March 26th, 2020, 3:56 pm

UPS dropped off without signature or sight this afternoon

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#98 Post by S teve R edenbaugh » March 26th, 2020, 4:07 pm

Yup, three deliveries last week, one yesterday, four today, one scheduled for tomorrow...at least three next week. Combination of Fedex and UPS...my UPS driver is great. He rang the bell today, had two boxes sitting on my doorstep, returned to his truck for two more....stayed ten feet away from me and signed himself. My Fedex guys an ass...demands that I sign his device. Once this Great Retreat is over, all my future deliveries will be UPS. Customer service is everything!
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#99 Post by Br1an Th0rne » March 26th, 2020, 4:19 pm

My UPS delivery man left a box of tequila and a box .308 rounds on Monday, no signature required! First box clearly marked as alcohol, second box clearly marked as ammunition. He’s used to my alcohol shipments, but it’s a first for ammo. I don’t blame them one iota for not getting signatures.

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#100 Post by David K o l i n » March 26th, 2020, 4:23 pm

Steve L Gellman wrote:
March 25th, 2020, 5:11 pm
Is everyone wiping down their packages
Nope. Package goes into quarantine on the front landing for a couple of days. I have no confidence in wiping cardboard completely to get all those little buggers

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