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#1 Post by KyleC » March 15th, 2020, 3:08 pm

Bars, clubs, to close as well; restaurants to cut capacity by 50%. Sad to see this news, but it makes sense given the rapid spread of COVID-19.
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#2 Post by Frank Z » March 15th, 2020, 3:40 pm

I just heard as well - wanted to confirm if this does this include distribution as well?
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#3 Post by alan weinberg » March 15th, 2020, 3:44 pm

And told healthcare workers including docs over 65 to stay home. That’s 25% of California docs. Ridiculous. We need to be there.

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#4 Post by larry schaffer » March 15th, 2020, 3:50 pm

My tasting room is closing at 4pm today and will remain closed except for pick ups for the foreseeable future. Hoping folks that would normally stop in will still place orders for shipping - and I will even offer free local delivery if needed.

It's gonna get tough for all small businesses in CA and elsewhere for sure . . .

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#5 Post by Ken Zinns » March 15th, 2020, 3:55 pm

Given the context, I'm certain that the intent is that tasting rooms only have to close, not other winery operations. But that's a huge hit for many wineries, both large and small. Brewpubs are included in the order too.

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#6 Post by John Morris » March 15th, 2020, 4:03 pm

Chambers Street Wines here in NYC just e-mailed to say its shop will be closed, though there will be staff there to take orders for delivery.
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#7 Post by John Morris » March 15th, 2020, 4:05 pm

Ken Zinns wrote:
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Given the context, I'm certain that the intent is that tasting rooms only have to close, not other winery operations. But that's a huge hit for many wineries, both large and small. Brewpubs are included in the order too.
At least it isn't the summer time, though who knows if the situation will have improved by then.
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#8 Post by Chris Seiber » March 15th, 2020, 4:07 pm

alan weinberg wrote:
March 15th, 2020, 3:44 pm
And told healthcare workers including docs over 65 to stay home. That’s 25% of California docs. Ridiculous. We need to be there.
And think how many younger doctors and especially nurses may be unable to work, or work at normal capacity, due to their young kids being home from school. We are cutting off some of the legs we need to handle the medical volume.

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#9 Post by H Wallace Jr » March 15th, 2020, 4:14 pm

Apart from tasting room sales, this is going to severely disrupt spring bottling for many wineries. Bottling dates are hard enough to schedule under normal circumstances.
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#10 Post by DanielP » March 15th, 2020, 4:20 pm

Chris Seiber wrote:
March 15th, 2020, 4:07 pm
alan weinberg wrote:
March 15th, 2020, 3:44 pm
And told healthcare workers including docs over 65 to stay home. That’s 25% of California docs. Ridiculous. We need to be there.
And think how many younger doctors and especially nurses may be unable to work, or work at normal capacity, due to their young kids being home from school. We are cutting off some of the legs we need to handle the medical volume.
I wouldn't be concerned about the older docs being told to stay home. In emergency shortage they can always be called back in. This is to protect the vulnerable doctors for as long as possible.
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#11 Post by M. Dildine » March 15th, 2020, 4:55 pm

What Ian Brand is doing about the winery closure:
Dear friends,

As of this afternoon, Sunday, March 15, at 4pm our Carmel Valley tasting room is temporarily closed following the order announced by Governor Newsom. We hope for the health and safety of all and a quick resolution to the current public health situation.

In the meantime, a little wine at home might be the perfect respite! Community has always been the cornerstone of our business. We at I. Brand family are here for you. During the closures we are offering curbside pick-up at the tasting room as well as home delivery local to the Monterey Bay Area by appointment.

Call or email Heather personally to schedule your wine pick-up ordelivery. Heather@ibrandwinery.com or 831 359 9834. As always shipping is an option.

Thank you to those who visited the tasting room recently, we are a family business and greatly appreciate your support.

Stay safe, wash your hands and we look forward to toasting with you all again soon.

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#12 Post by Ken Zinns » March 15th, 2020, 5:14 pm

Mike, judging by what I’m seeing on Facebook, lots of wineries are going to be doing this.
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#13 Post by GregT » March 15th, 2020, 5:49 pm

alan weinberg wrote:
March 15th, 2020, 3:44 pm
And told healthcare workers including docs over 65 to stay home. That’s 25% of California docs. Ridiculous. We need to be there.
This is sheer idiocy. The docs are some of the most educated people around and fully capable of deciding whether they should or should not show up for work.

Wineries are only supposed to close their tasting rooms, right?

Not sure why Chambers would close though, unless it's because staff doesn't want to come in or Jamie and David decided to do it on their own. They are akin to a grocery store that sells only packaged items. I realize that's in NYC and not CA, but I don't get the thinking there.
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#14 Post by Brian Tuite » March 15th, 2020, 5:51 pm

Just got word that the Graton Rancheria Resort Casino in Rohnert Park is packed with gamblers. Brings a new meaning to you bet your life.

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#15 Post by GregT » March 15th, 2020, 5:54 pm

Brian Tuite wrote:
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Just got word that the Graton Rancheria Resort Casino in Rohnert Park is packed with gamblers. Brings a new meaning to you bet your life.
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#16 Post by Tom G l a s g o w » March 15th, 2020, 6:00 pm

GregT wrote:
March 15th, 2020, 5:49 pm
alan weinberg wrote:
March 15th, 2020, 3:44 pm
And told healthcare workers including docs over 65 to stay home. That’s 25% of California docs. Ridiculous. We need to be there.
This is sheer idiocy. The docs are some of the most educated people around and fully capable of deciding whether they should or should not show up for work.

Wineries are only supposed to close their tasting rooms, right?

Not sure why Chambers would close though, unless it's because staff doesn't want to come in or Jamie and David decided to do it on their own. They are akin to a grocery store that sells only packaged items. I realize that's in NYC and not CA, but I don't get the thinking there.
No food is sold in NY liquor stores. They survived 9/11. This is a good move, Fauci has called for a 3 week national shutdown.

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#17 Post by GregT » March 15th, 2020, 6:09 pm

I realize that Tom, which is why I'm wondering why the wine store would shut down. They ONLY sell packaged items and in NYC you can't operate a wine bar with a retail outlet. So what is to be gained?
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#18 Post by Cris Whetstone » March 15th, 2020, 6:14 pm

Seems like a very obvious for first rounds of closures. I think the tasting rooms as others have mentioned are the target here. Again, seems like a very obvious thing to start with. There will be wider closures on many more types of businesses to come.

On the 65 year plus doctors, given the way this virus is acting this seems prudent. I doubt anyone is going to be patrolling homes so I'm sure lots will ignore this but it's also going to cost the lives of many doctors that do. That's just another strain on the system. I would hope that most older doctors will get on board with some sort of online care that many are doing now. Staying home is not the same as being unproductive these days.
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#19 Post by Karen Troisi » March 15th, 2020, 6:26 pm

We closed our tasting room earlier today but will be open for order pick-ups by appointment (also offering local delivery). As long as our warehouse stays open we’ll be able to fill internet orders. I do not believe winery production is included in the order (hope not as we are bottling end of April - rescheduling that would create many issues).
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#20 Post by PeterJ » March 15th, 2020, 6:31 pm

I work in a wine bar and I’m a senior so I guess I’m on vacation for now..... either way, although nothing I’ve seen says this is an order. Another wine bar, near us, (much larger and with a real kitchen) has announced that they’re closing and asking for help in finding their staff temporary work. Sounds like the government’s plan to help such people has a long way to go before it’s real.

It’s maybe too deep in the weeds, but CA licensing law allows many places that are really tiny restaurants to be licensed only as bars. So they would not be able to just limit occupancy but would have to close if this were to be a legal order.

I don’t work enough hours for this to be a huge thing, and our shop is really small (occupancy around 30, which we only see on a good day). I haven’t heard from the owner yet but am assuming I’m on vacation. The problem I see is that no one is saying anything about how a small shop owner is going to pay rent for any length of time if they close.
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#21 Post by R. Frankel » March 15th, 2020, 6:33 pm

John Morris wrote:
March 15th, 2020, 4:05 pm
Ken Zinns wrote:
March 15th, 2020, 3:55 pm
Given the context, I'm certain that the intent is that tasting rooms only have to close, not other winery operations. But that's a huge hit for many wineries, both large and small. Brewpubs are included in the order too.
At least it isn't the summer time, though who knows if the situation will have improved by then.
By all forecasts I’m seeing it won’t (get better by summer). Folks should be thinking about how to get through the next year of virus related changes.
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#22 Post by Karen Troisi » March 15th, 2020, 6:36 pm

Update - NVV just sent us an update and confirmed that winery production is not included in the order. Good news.
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#23 Post by alan weinberg » March 15th, 2020, 6:36 pm

GregT wrote:
March 15th, 2020, 5:49 pm
alan weinberg wrote:
March 15th, 2020, 3:44 pm
And told healthcare workers including docs over 65 to stay home. That’s 25% of California docs. Ridiculous. We need to be there.
This is sheer idiocy. The docs are some of the most educated people around and fully capable of deciding whether they should or should not show up for work.

Wineries are only supposed to close their tasting rooms, right?

Not sure why Chambers would close though, unless it's because staff doesn't want to come in or Jamie and David decided to do it on their own. They are akin to a grocery store that sells only packaged items. I realize that's in NYC and not CA, but I don't get the thinking there.
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#24 Post by A.Gillette » March 15th, 2020, 6:43 pm

GregT wrote:
March 15th, 2020, 5:49 pm

Not sure why Chambers would close though, unless it's because staff doesn't want to come in or Jamie and David decided to do it on their own. They are akin to a grocery store that sells only packaged items. I realize that's in NYC and not CA, but I don't get the thinking there.
I think the issue is that they don’t want to risk spreading the Coronavirus and having a bunch of people get sick and possibly die.
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#25 Post by Fred C » March 15th, 2020, 6:49 pm

Cris Whetstone wrote:
March 15th, 2020, 6:14 pm
Seems like a very obvious for first rounds of closures. I think the tasting rooms as others have mentioned are the target here. Again, seems like a very obvious thing to start with. There will be wider closures on many more types of businesses to come.

On the 65 year plus doctors, given the way this virus is acting this seems prudent. I doubt anyone is going to be patrolling homes so I'm sure lots will ignore this but it's also going to cost the lives of many doctors that do. That's just another strain on the system. I would hope that most older doctors will get on board with some sort of online care that many are doing now. Staying home is not the same as being unproductive these days.
Deaths have been reported for healthcare workers in the 40s so unfortunately all healthcare workers are at high risk.
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#26 Post by Tom G l a s g o w » March 15th, 2020, 6:57 pm

GregT wrote:
March 15th, 2020, 6:09 pm
I realize that Tom, which is why I'm wondering why the wine store would shut down. They ONLY sell packaged items and in NYC you can't operate a wine bar with a retail outlet. So what is to be gained?
Protect employees and customers, are you really that dense?

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#27 Post by Cris Whetstone » March 15th, 2020, 6:59 pm

Fred C wrote:
March 15th, 2020, 6:49 pm
Cris Whetstone wrote:
March 15th, 2020, 6:14 pm
Seems like a very obvious for first rounds of closures. I think the tasting rooms as others have mentioned are the target here. Again, seems like a very obvious thing to start with. There will be wider closures on many more types of businesses to come.

On the 65 year plus doctors, given the way this virus is acting this seems prudent. I doubt anyone is going to be patrolling homes so I'm sure lots will ignore this but it's also going to cost the lives of many doctors that do. That's just another strain on the system. I would hope that most older doctors will get on board with some sort of online care that many are doing now. Staying home is not the same as being unproductive these days.
Deaths have been reported for healthcare workers in the 40s so unfortunately all healthcare workers are at high risk.
That dodges the point. The death rates go up drastically for all people 65+ who contract the virus.

Health care workers are always at a higher risk than the general public simply due to exposure. Thus it would seem prudent to not combine the risk factors when one has proven to be extreme.
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#28 Post by Fred C » March 15th, 2020, 7:06 pm

Cris Whetstone wrote:
March 15th, 2020, 6:59 pm
Fred C wrote:
March 15th, 2020, 6:49 pm
Cris Whetstone wrote:
March 15th, 2020, 6:14 pm
Seems like a very obvious for first rounds of closures. I think the tasting rooms as others have mentioned are the target here. Again, seems like a very obvious thing to start with. There will be wider closures on many more types of businesses to come.

On the 65 year plus doctors, given the way this virus is acting this seems prudent. I doubt anyone is going to be patrolling homes so I'm sure lots will ignore this but it's also going to cost the lives of many doctors that do. That's just another strain on the system. I would hope that most older doctors will get on board with some sort of online care that many are doing now. Staying home is not the same as being unproductive these days.
Deaths have been reported for healthcare workers in the 40s so unfortunately all healthcare workers are at high risk.
That dodges the point. The death rates go up drastically for all people 65+ who contract the virus.

Health care workers are always at a higher risk than the general public simply due to exposure. Thus it would seem prudent to not combine the risk factors when one has proven to be extreme.
It’s not that simple:

Over half of France's 300 coronavirus ICU patients under age 60

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#29 Post by larry schaffer » March 15th, 2020, 7:09 pm

Hey folks,

Not a moderator here but perhaps you should take this off of WineTalk and put it elsewhere. The original OP is very important and impacts this board from a wine perspective - let's keep the discussion going that way . . .

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#30 Post by Marc Hauser » March 15th, 2020, 7:33 pm

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#32 Post by Nathan Smyth » March 15th, 2020, 11:59 pm

GregT wrote:
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This is sheer idiocy... I don't get the thinking...
None of this makes any sense if you try to analyze it from a ludicrously naive & trusting Normie-cuck point of view.

You gotta delve into some dark black cynicism in order for this catastrophe to start making sense.

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#33 Post by Brian Tuite » March 16th, 2020, 5:26 am

larry schaffer wrote:
March 15th, 2020, 7:09 pm
Hey folks,

Not a moderator here but perhaps you should take this off of WineTalk and put it elsewhere. The original OP is very important and impacts this board from a wine perspective - let's keep the discussion going that way . . .

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#34 Post by GregT » March 16th, 2020, 7:27 pm

Tom G l a s g o w wrote:
March 15th, 2020, 6:57 pm
GregT wrote:
March 15th, 2020, 6:09 pm
I realize that Tom, which is why I'm wondering why the wine store would shut down. They ONLY sell packaged items and in NYC you can't operate a wine bar with a retail outlet. So what is to be gained?
Protect employees and customers, are you really that dense?
Apparently I am because I don't have the brilliance to grasp that they're protecting customers and employees by shutting down a wine store that is never jammed with people and offers nothing to be consumed on the premises, yet they leave open office supply stores and Hallmark card shops that have similar numbers of customers at any given time. And why not barbers and hairdressers and nail salons?

Again, if Chambers took the initiative on their own, that's their business.
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#35 Post by Randy Bowman » March 16th, 2020, 7:42 pm

We have our second round of tourists in the store after they spent all day trying to find an open tasting room. The first group bought a Paso wine for $16. They are lucky they didn't find an open winery and discover tasting fees. This last one just wants a glass of wine from Napa and be able to sit and enjoy a cigar in the lounge. Obviously not true wine snobs, but it does show some of the impact to those that don't know what they flew into for vacation.
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#36 Post by Ken Zinns » March 17th, 2020, 10:39 am

Good article this morning from Blake Gray on the confusion over California Governor Newsom's wording on his recent winery / tasting room shutdown order.
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In much of the San Francisco Bay Area the confusion from that order is now a moot point since a number of Bay Area counties are under a stricter shelter-in-place as of today, so all "non-essential" businesses are shut down for the time being, probably for three weeks but that could be extended. I was scheduled to help out on two bottling days this week that are now on hold. Initially Napa and Sonoma counties were not included but I've been reading that Sonoma may take part in the shelter-in-place directive soon.
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#37 Post by Carl Steefel » March 17th, 2020, 10:51 am

Yes, Newsom's language was vague, and finally could be interpreted as "suggestions". But as Ken said, for 6 counties (including Marin to the north), it is "shelter in place", which should mean that nobody should be going to work, no restaurants, no IPAs in the bars... Shopping still allowed.

Still does not seem quite as severe as in France, where my colleague told me they are not allowed out of the house without the right paperwork...

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#38 Post by Ken Zinns » March 17th, 2020, 11:02 am

Carl Steefel wrote:
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Yes, Newsom's language was vague, and finally could be interpreted as "suggestions". But as Ken said, for 6 counties (including Marin to the north), it is "shelter in place", which should mean that nobody should be going to work, no restaurants, no IPAs in the bars... Shopping still allowed.
Restaurants in the Bay Area shelter-in-place counties are still allowed to operate, but only for take-out or delivery. I'm sure a lot of things remain to be clarified as to which businesses can stay open and which ones can't.
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#39 Post by larry schaffer » March 17th, 2020, 11:22 am

Some in may area were looking at this as a 'suggestion' even though he 'directed' all tasting rooms to close. I hope everyone can truly understand the intent here . . .

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Re: Newsom orders all California wineries to close

#40 Post by Carl Steefel » March 17th, 2020, 11:27 am

Ken Zinns wrote:
March 17th, 2020, 11:02 am
Carl Steefel wrote:
March 17th, 2020, 10:51 am
Yes, Newsom's language was vague, and finally could be interpreted as "suggestions". But as Ken said, for 6 counties (including Marin to the north), it is "shelter in place", which should mean that nobody should be going to work, no restaurants, no IPAs in the bars... Shopping still allowed.
Restaurants in the Bay Area shelter-in-place counties are still allowed to operate, but only for take-out or delivery. I'm sure a lot of things remain to be clarified as to which businesses can stay open and which ones can't.
Yes, that is true. My workplace is shut down hard, but my daughter is still being required to go to work at a clinic. I am tempted by the takeout options--could use a good Bistecca tonight...

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Re: Newsom orders all California wineries to close

#41 Post by dougwilder » March 17th, 2020, 2:59 pm

From what I read on this it only applies to the Hospitality side of any wine business. Not production or vineyard work as long as SD is in place. That may change. Think about what you were doing 2 weeks ago. This is accelerating, not showing signs of ebbing. Another aspect I just thought about yesterday, with the shutdown of international travel it will be difficult for foreign harvest interns to get here and likely go through a lengthy quarantine which will make domestic-based workers in higher demand. It will also curtail travel for freelance writers of all stripes who derive their incomes by selling stories.
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Re: Newsom orders all California wineries to close

#42 Post by Carl Steefel » March 17th, 2020, 3:10 pm

It is very unlikely the interns will be able to get here, as we have cancelled all new starts ourselves due to the inability to get Foreign Nationals through.

Unless they come through Casablanca, with a short visit to Rick's Cafe...

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Re: Newsom orders all California wineries to close

#43 Post by Oliver McCrum » March 17th, 2020, 3:19 pm

Ken Zinns wrote:
March 17th, 2020, 10:39 am

In much of the San Francisco Bay Area the confusion from that order is now a moot point since a number of Bay Area counties are under a stricter shelter-in-place as of today, so all "non-essential" businesses are shut down for the time being, probably for three weeks but that could be extended. I was scheduled to help out on two bottling days this week that are now on hold. Initially Napa and Sonoma counties were not included but I've been reading that Sonoma may take part in the shelter-in-place directive soon.
Are you suggesting that wineries are 'non-essential'?
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Re: Newsom orders all California wineries to close

#44 Post by Carl Steefel » March 17th, 2020, 3:25 pm

I think "essential" means mostly health care, grocery stores, and the like...

As a science laboratory, we are deemed as "non-essential", so my guess is that the wineries are not going to do better than us. But again, this would be in the 6 country area, so I assume Napa and Sonoma are excluded from this...

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Re: Newsom orders all California wineries to close

#45 Post by Ken Zinns » March 17th, 2020, 3:48 pm

Oliver McCrum wrote:
March 17th, 2020, 3:19 pm
Ken Zinns wrote:
March 17th, 2020, 10:39 am

In much of the San Francisco Bay Area then e confusion from that order is now a moot point since a number of Bay Area counties are under a stricter shelter-in-place as of today, so all "non-essential" businesses are shut down for the time being, probably for three weeks but that could be extended. I was scheduled to help out on two bottling days this week that are now on hold. Initially Napa and Sonoma counties were not included but I've been reading that Sonoma may take part in the shelter-in-place directive soon.
Are you suggesting that wineries are 'non-essential'?
Essential to some of us for sure! [cheers.gif]
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Re: Newsom orders all California wineries to close

#46 Post by Al Osterheld » March 17th, 2020, 4:07 pm

The actual orders have details about what types of businesses and activities are exempted, I posted the Alameda County link above but they aren’t difficult to find. There are a lot of businesses that are exempt.

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Re: Newsom orders all California wineries to close

#47 Post by Carl Steefel » March 17th, 2020, 6:37 pm

I don't see your post above, at least not after March 15. The shelter in place was the 16th, so I don't see where the businesses are mentioned.

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Re: Newsom orders all California wineries to close

#48 Post by Randy Bowman » March 17th, 2020, 8:20 pm

Monday and today we have had people come in looking for "Napa wine" because the winery tasting rooms are closed. It was obvious they were not wine geeks and were buying because they were in "Napa." Neither group spent as much as they would have paid for a tasting at most tasting rooms. I think the tasting rooms could have stayed open with restricted occupation numbers, but nobody is coming here anyway.
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Re: Newsom orders all California wineries to close

#49 Post by Al Osterheld » March 17th, 2020, 8:36 pm

Carl Steefel wrote:
March 17th, 2020, 6:37 pm
I don't see your post above, at least not after March 15. The shelter in place was the 16th, so I don't see where the businesses are mentioned.
The link to the Alameda County shelter in place order was on the main thread (sorry, I was on an iPhone and actually at work).

http://www.acgov.org/documents/Final-Or ... -Place.pdf

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Re: Newsom orders all California wineries to close

#50 Post by Oliver McCrum » March 17th, 2020, 9:07 pm

Carl Steefel wrote:
March 17th, 2020, 3:25 pm
I think "essential" means mostly health care, grocery stores, and the like...

As a science laboratory, we are deemed as "non-essential", so my guess is that the wineries are not going to do better than us. But again, this would be in the 6 country area, so I assume Napa and Sonoma are excluded from this...
I was kidding.
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