Sancerre years?

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Sancerre years?

#1 Post by T Wills » March 15th, 2020, 11:35 am

I've really been getting turned onto Sancerre lately. I've had some magnificent 2016's but they are not really still available at retail. What about 2017 vs 2018? What sets these vintages apart and how do they compare to 2016?

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#2 Post by dcornutt » March 15th, 2020, 11:51 am

I was interested in the same question. I asked a friend who lives over there and has contact with lots of growers.
This is his opinion which I totally respect. He prizes balance and acidity over ripeness. He considers 2016 to be slightly in front of 2017/2018.
2014 sounds like my kind of vintage.


2019 "C" (+alc, -acidity)
2018 "B"
2017 "B"
2016 "B+"
2015 "A" (but a bit + alc for me)
2014 "A++" (a perfect vintage)
2013 "F"
2012 "A"
2011 "C"
2010 "A"
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#3 Post by T Wills » March 15th, 2020, 1:37 pm

Thanks Don. Great helpful info. I think in the right hands and the right year these can be as stunning and complex as some of the greatest white burgundies I’ve had.
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#4 Post by Carl Steefel » March 15th, 2020, 1:38 pm

I have not had many, but the 2014 I have had from Sancerre have been excellent (especially Clos la Neore). From 2016, I have had a single Boulay la Cote, which was beautiful. No info on 2017 and 2018, especially with my trip there at the end of the month cancelled.

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#5 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » March 15th, 2020, 2:19 pm

Carl Steefel wrote:
March 15th, 2020, 1:38 pm
I have not had many, but the 2014 I have had from Sancerre have been excellent (especially Clos la Neore). From 2016, I have had a single Boulay la Cote, which was beautiful. No info on 2017 and 2018, especially with my trip there at the end of the month cancelled.
I’ve had the Vatan 2014, 15 (twice) and 17 all over the last 2 months. Frankly, they are all outstanding. The 2014 is indeed a classic vintage overall, especially for the Cab Franc. The acid and energy is high in the whites. What Vatan does with ripeness, however, is spell-binding. Both the 2015 and the 2017 sing and revel in their ripeness, such gorgeously deep fruit lifted to the heavens by Vatan’s signature structure. I think 15 and 17 are better today, but 14 may eclipse them in time.

Was interesting to me to see Chris Kissack’s posts on the Loire Cab Franc thread recently. He seemed to down-play 2014 and up-play the riper years like 14 and 18. I’ve had tons of 2014 Loire CF, it’s a killer, classic vintage.

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#6 Post by IlkkaL » March 15th, 2020, 11:18 pm

dcornutt wrote:
March 15th, 2020, 11:51 am
I was interested in the same question. I asked a friend who lives over there and has contact with lots of growers.
This is his opinion which I totally respect. He prizes balance and acidity over ripeness. He considers 2016 to be slightly in front of 2017/2018.
2014 sounds like my kind of vintage.


2019 "C" (+alc, -acidity)
2018 "B"
2017 "B"
2016 "B+"
2015 "A" (but a bit + alc for me)
2014 "A++" (a perfect vintage)
2013 "F"
2012 "A"
2011 "C"
2010 "A"
I just had to check whether I have had anything from 2013 and indeed, Gérard Boulay's entry level Sancerre ('Chavignol') was superb and classic [snort.gif]
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#7 Post by Johan R » March 16th, 2020, 2:01 pm

IlkkaL wrote:
March 15th, 2020, 11:18 pm
dcornutt wrote:
March 15th, 2020, 11:51 am
I was interested in the same question. I asked a friend who lives over there and has contact with lots of growers.
This is his opinion which I totally respect. He prizes balance and acidity over ripeness. He considers 2016 to be slightly in front of 2017/2018.
2014 sounds like my kind of vintage.


2019 "C" (+alc, -acidity)
2018 "B"
2017 "B"
2016 "B+"
2015 "A" (but a bit + alc for me)
2014 "A++" (a perfect vintage)
2013 "F"
2012 "A"
2011 "C"
2010 "A"
I just had to check whether I have had anything from 2013 and indeed, Gérard Boulay's entry level Sancerre ('Chavignol') was superb and classic [snort.gif]
So were La Cote and Les Monts Damnées by Boulay in 2013.
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#8 Post by Carl Steefel » March 16th, 2020, 2:53 pm

I tasted the 2014 and 2015 Clos la Neore side by side and IMO the 2014 was head and shoulders above. A bit ripe and round for my taste, although maybe it was the comparison...

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#9 Post by IlkkaL » March 16th, 2020, 11:01 pm

Johan R wrote:
March 16th, 2020, 2:01 pm
IlkkaL wrote:
March 15th, 2020, 11:18 pm
dcornutt wrote:
March 15th, 2020, 11:51 am
I was interested in the same question. I asked a friend who lives over there and has contact with lots of growers.
This is his opinion which I totally respect. He prizes balance and acidity over ripeness. He considers 2016 to be slightly in front of 2017/2018.
2014 sounds like my kind of vintage.


2019 "C" (+alc, -acidity)
2018 "B"
2017 "B"
2016 "B+"
2015 "A" (but a bit + alc for me)
2014 "A++" (a perfect vintage)
2013 "F"
2012 "A"
2011 "C"
2010 "A"
I just had to check whether I have had anything from 2013 and indeed, Gérard Boulay's entry level Sancerre ('Chavignol') was superb and classic [snort.gif]
So were La Cote and Les Monts Damnées by Boulay in 2013.
No surprise there! It's a really reliable address in my experience.
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#10 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » March 17th, 2020, 5:03 am

Carl Steefel wrote:
March 16th, 2020, 2:53 pm
I tasted the 2014 and 2015 Clos la Neore side by side and IMO the 2014 was head and shoulders above. A bit ripe and round for my taste, although maybe it was the comparison...
The 14 seemed riper than the 15?

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#11 Post by Jay $$ Winton » March 17th, 2020, 7:54 am

Overall, 18 is my favorite of recent vintages. Lots of good juice produced.
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#12 Post by Dale Williams » March 17th, 2020, 8:17 am

I think 2013 was tough in Sancerre (frost, then hail, and then rain during late harvest), but F to me implies no one made good wine. I really enjoyed several bottles of Boulay's Culs de Beaujeau, and felt Lauverjat's base bottling was a good value if on the lean snappy end. I'm sure there was plenty of F quality wine.

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#13 Post by Carl Steefel » March 17th, 2020, 8:37 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
March 17th, 2020, 5:03 am
Carl Steefel wrote:
March 16th, 2020, 2:53 pm
I tasted the 2014 and 2015 Clos la Neore side by side and IMO the 2014 was head and shoulders above. A bit ripe and round for my taste, although maybe it was the comparison...
The 14 seemed riper than the 15?
Sorry, 15 was riper (too ripe, but also simpler) than the 14. Discussed briefly with Anne Vatan at the tasting, I suggested (naively) that maybe the extra year in the bottle for the 14 made a difference, she suggested gently (read as "you dumb suckah") it was the vintage difference.

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