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#1 Post by mark rudner » February 29th, 2020, 4:35 pm

2011 dark blossom grenache
i admit it. i've been an sqn whore for years. i've met very few that didn't completely thrill me (mostly rose)
this wine is just gorgeous. open from the start, but after 2 hours becoming thrilling.
iirc this is mostly grenache, and the blend is near perfect.
leave it to the krankl's to kill it. not only in so-called great vintages, but also in the weaker ones.
this 2011 proves the theory that great wineries make great wines in vintages when others just can't.

fantastic raspberry and earth with a sort of pepper as well. rhone-ish but very cali.
everyone keep passing on these so i can buy all that are left.
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#2 Post by larry schaffer » February 29th, 2020, 6:31 pm

Great note - but please note that for rhone varieties in Santa Barbara County, 2011 was a fantastic year. The rains that cut the vintage short in the North Coast did not affect us in the same way. The coolness allowed for later ripening varieties to take their time, but still hold on to their acidity. Both 2010 and 2011 are sleeper years for those varieties feom here. Period.
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#3 Post by Alex N » February 29th, 2020, 6:53 pm

2011 is one of my favorite recent vintages for Santa Barbara county. The 2011 stigma of Napa wines also made the uber low production/list ones easier to obtain, at least in my experience.
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#4 Post by Rory K. » February 29th, 2020, 7:12 pm

Yea sometimes vintage reputation from a more talked about area bleeds into surrounding regions, even if their vintage experience was different. I've had quite a few wonderful 11s, but now that I think of it they were all socal/central coast
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#5 Post by M. Taylor » February 29th, 2020, 7:23 pm

The issue I have with 2011 Napa cabs is the Forrest Gump effect — it’s like a box of chocolates — you never know what you are going to get
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#6 Post by mark rudner » March 1st, 2020, 11:57 am

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i guess the point was, even on the aftermarket, these wines are really soft ($) despite being fantastic
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#7 Post by larry schaffer » March 1st, 2020, 1:27 pm

I agree entirely. I was just making the point that vintages are often si different down here then up on the North Coast, but most folks don't understand that - even on this board . . .
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#8 Post by markjchambers » March 1st, 2020, 7:04 pm

I agree that the Dark Blossom grenache and syrah are both great. If you want to see the effects of the bad press for 2011, look at the price of Patine. I have seen it on winebid.com priced below the release price. I think that's a first for SQN. I haven't cracked any of mine yet. I know Dark Blosom has been drinking well, but not sure when the EBAs are open for business.

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#9 Post by Glenn L e v i n e » March 1st, 2020, 7:07 pm

Saxum 11s all great to date.
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#10 Post by Al Osterheld » March 1st, 2020, 8:14 pm

The 2011 vintage in California south of San Jose was cool, and picked a little later than usual, but didn't have the issues that plagued later ripening varieties and regions in northern CA. I wouldn't hesitate to buy 2011 wines from the Central Coast, indeed I bought some wines from the area I thought did particularly well in the somewhat cooler vintage.

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#11 Post by adam landa » March 1st, 2020, 8:35 pm

Glenn L e v i n e wrote:
March 1st, 2020, 7:07 pm
Saxum 11s all great to date.
Beat me to this post...great year for Saxum.

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Glenn L e v i n e wrote:
March 1st, 2020, 7:07 pm
Saxum 11s all great to date.
Agree 100%. I could be mistaken, but I think I remember Justin Smith posting on the old Parker board that his vineyards got less heat units than Burgundy in 2011.
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#13 Post by Steve Eisenhauer » March 2nd, 2020, 9:23 am

Geez. Read this board on my 2011 Napa cab. It was possible to make good wines in 2011 in Napa, too. [cheers.gif]
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#14 Post by MikeL238 » March 2nd, 2020, 10:30 am

markjchambers wrote:
March 1st, 2020, 7:04 pm
I agree that the Dark Blossom grenache and syrah are both great. If you want to see the effects of the bad press for 2011, look at the price of Patine. I have seen it on winebid.com priced below the release price. I think that's a first for SQN. I haven't cracked any of mine yet. I know Dark Blosom has been drinking well, but not sure when the EBAs are open for business.
What was the release price for Patine? And is Patine better than Dark Blossom syrah?
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#15 Post by joeduncan » March 2nd, 2020, 12:19 pm

2011 Ridge Monte Bello is also awesome.

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#16 Post by NickRut » March 2nd, 2020, 12:22 pm

I had a 2011 Napa the other day that was almost too green to drink. We kept calling it Japaleno juice. Glad there were some winners in there. I have not had many.
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#17 Post by Glen Gold » March 2nd, 2020, 12:34 pm

For 2011 cabs, Jean Edwards, Beta, Black Cat, Kelly Fleming and Winter were great. Larkmead, Kobalt and Chalk Hill were disappointing. Watermark was a question mark.
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#18 Post by markjchambers » March 4th, 2020, 9:40 am

MikeL238 wrote:
March 2nd, 2020, 10:30 am
markjchambers wrote:
March 1st, 2020, 7:04 pm
I agree that the Dark Blossom grenache and syrah are both great. If you want to see the effects of the bad press for 2011, look at the price of Patine. I have seen it on winebid.com priced below the release price. I think that's a first for SQN. I haven't cracked any of mine yet. I know Dark Blosom has been drinking well, but not sure when the EBAs are open for business.
What was the release price for Patine? And is Patine better than Dark Blossom syrah?
Dark Blossom was $160 and Patine $240 (plus shipping and tax). I have enjoyed DB, but haven't cracked a Patine yet. CT notes are a little better for Patine, especially the grenache, but the score spread is less than usual for EBA versus regular release.

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#19 Post by MikeL238 » March 4th, 2020, 10:13 am

markjchambers wrote:
March 4th, 2020, 9:40 am
MikeL238 wrote:
March 2nd, 2020, 10:30 am
markjchambers wrote:
March 1st, 2020, 7:04 pm
I agree that the Dark Blossom grenache and syrah are both great. If you want to see the effects of the bad press for 2011, look at the price of Patine. I have seen it on winebid.com priced below the release price. I think that's a first for SQN. I haven't cracked any of mine yet. I know Dark Blosom has been drinking well, but not sure when the EBAs are open for business.
What was the release price for Patine? And is Patine better than Dark Blossom syrah?
Dark Blossom was $160 and Patine $240 (plus shipping and tax). I have enjoyed DB, but haven't cracked a Patine yet. CT notes are a little better for Patine, especially the grenache, but the score spread is less than usual for EBA versus regular release.
Thank you-in the secondary market, looks like Dark Blossom is more of a bargain than Patine.
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#20 Post by seanr » March 4th, 2020, 10:51 am

Please don't let the secret out! I have been picking up 2011 CA wines at great prices!

A few recent ones that have stood out:

2011 Saxum James Berry
2011 Saxum Booker
2011 Torrin Banshee
2011 Herman Story "One Hit Wonder" Edna Valley

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#21 Post by larry schaffer » March 4th, 2020, 1:34 pm

seanr wrote:
March 4th, 2020, 10:51 am
Please don't let the secret out! I have been picking up 2011 CA wines at great prices!

A few recent ones that have stood out:

2011 Saxum James Berry
2011 Saxum Booker
2011 Torrin Banshee
2011 Herman Story "One Hit Wonder" Edna Valley
Well, we all know that no region south of Napa is taken that seriously en masse, right?!? [swearing.gif] [soap.gif] [snort.gif] neener
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#22 Post by Howard Cooper » March 4th, 2020, 1:46 pm

joeduncan wrote:
March 2nd, 2020, 12:19 pm
2011 Ridge Monte Bello is also awesome.
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#23 Post by seanr » March 4th, 2020, 9:23 pm

larry schaffer wrote:
March 4th, 2020, 1:34 pm
seanr wrote:
March 4th, 2020, 10:51 am
Please don't let the secret out! I have been picking up 2011 CA wines at great prices!

A few recent ones that have stood out:

2011 Saxum James Berry
2011 Saxum Booker
2011 Torrin Banshee
2011 Herman Story "One Hit Wonder" Edna Valley
Well, we all know that no region south of Napa is taken that seriously en masse, right?!? [swearing.gif] [soap.gif] [snort.gif] neener
GREAT! More for me!

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#24 Post by Glenn L e v i n e » March 13th, 2020, 6:14 pm

I watch one more COVID webinar I’m corkscrewing out one of my eyeballs.

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#25 Post by R. Frankel » March 14th, 2020, 9:10 am

I too have been enjoying 2011 California, so many attractive wines from all over the state. Sure, many reflections of the cool(ish) season but not a disaster by any means. I think my biggest disappointments (possibly reflecting the critics?) were the high end Cali cabs which live and die on a huge, rich, full-throttle profile.

Question for the ITB folks - do you think that the lift from the reputation of the top region near you outweighs the penalty you get when that same region has a weak year? E.g. has the influence that Napa has had on interest in California wine helped, say, Paso Robles? Incredibly far apart, and ridiculous to be tarred with the same brush, but I’m sure when Napa gets a cold Paso gets the sniffles, too. But where would Paso be without Napa?
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#26 Post by Merrill Lindquist » March 14th, 2020, 9:23 am

I still have 2011 EMH Black Cat available. What price would get folks interested? As Glen Said, it's very good, just suffered from the stigma of 2011s in general. I ship all wines to include shipping costs these days.
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#27 Post by Jason T » March 14th, 2020, 10:06 am

Glen Gold wrote:
March 2nd, 2020, 12:34 pm
For 2011 cabs, Jean Edwards, Beta, Black Cat, Kelly Fleming and Winter were great. Larkmead, Kobalt and Chalk Hill were disappointing. Watermark was a question mark.
+1 on 2011 Jean Edwards.. Loved that stuff so much I think I got like 3 cases of the 74-41. None of it left, sadly.
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#28 Post by PHuff » March 14th, 2020, 10:19 am

Merrill Lindquist wrote:
March 14th, 2020, 9:23 am
I still have 2011 EMH Black Cat available. What price would get folks interested? As Glen Said, it's very good, just suffered from the stigma of 2011s in general. I ship all wines to include shipping costs these days.
What was the release price?
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#29 Post by Merrill Lindquist » March 14th, 2020, 11:37 am

PHuff wrote:
March 14th, 2020, 10:19 am
Merrill Lindquist wrote:
March 14th, 2020, 9:23 am
I still have 2011 EMH Black Cat available. What price would get folks interested? As Glen Said, it's very good, just suffered from the stigma of 2011s in general. I ship all wines to include shipping costs these days.
What was the release price?
It was released in 2013 at $60/bottle to the mailing list. Plus tax and shipping. Typically I offer at one price and then move to a higher price after a week or so - this probably went to $75 shortly thereafter.
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