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Schrader, worth it?

#1 Post by Jmigliano » February 27th, 2020, 8:21 pm

Got my first offer this week for a Gorgeous 6-pack for $1350. The $200 for shipping and tax puts a sour taste in my mouth. Love TRB but are these worth the $260 a bottle?
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#2 Post by Denny Marin » February 27th, 2020, 8:24 pm

No Napa wine is worth $250, imo.

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#3 Post by GregT » February 27th, 2020, 9:44 pm

No wine from anywhere is really worth $260.

But if you like the style and you have money to burn . . .
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#4 Post by Ken Strauss » February 27th, 2020, 9:58 pm

The wines are awesome!
I have been buying them direct since 2005. Every bottle I have opened has been special.
That said I stopped buying after Fred sold. Maybe not a good reason but I have about 100 bottles which will be able to last me a long time. In general I think Schrader is worth it if it doesn’t bust your budget.
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#5 Post by R. Frankel » February 27th, 2020, 11:15 pm

Ken’s a lucky man with 100+ bottles in the cellar. If you like the style, yes these are worth it. Special for sure.
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#6 Post by HoosJustinG » February 28th, 2020, 5:37 am

Also a TRB fan ... If you're looking for something kinda "culty" made by TRB that you can get without a waiting list (and don't have to buy in a pack they organize), look at Round Pond's "gravel series." Price is a BIT more approachable -- I think "SRP" is $225, but with your 20% club discount they come into the 180's.
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#7 Post by Dan Hammer » February 28th, 2020, 5:49 am

Jmigliano wrote:
February 27th, 2020, 8:21 pm
Got my first offer this week for a Gorgeous 6-pack for $1350. The $200 for shipping and tax puts a sour taste in my mouth. Love TRB but are these worth the $260 a bottle?
I’d suggest Maybach and MacDonald. Both are under $200 and are far superior to Schrader. Less costly to ship. No offense to TRB, but you’re paying for his name.

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#8 Post by Bdklein » February 28th, 2020, 5:57 am

Dan Hammer wrote:
February 28th, 2020, 5:49 am
Jmigliano wrote:
February 27th, 2020, 8:21 pm
Got my first offer this week for a Gorgeous 6-pack for $1350. The $200 for shipping and tax puts a sour taste in my mouth. Love TRB but are these worth the $260 a bottle?
I’d suggest Maybach and MacDonald. Both are under $200 and are far superior to Schrader. Less costly to ship. No offense to TRB, but you’re paying for his name.

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How does one get MacDonald for under $200 a bottle ?
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#9 Post by Bdklein » February 28th, 2020, 5:58 am

Denny Marin wrote:
February 27th, 2020, 8:24 pm
No Napa wine is worth $250, imo.
What wines are worth $250?
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#10 Post by Steve L Gellman » February 28th, 2020, 6:25 am

Plenty of Scarecrow buyers out there at $400 plus

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#11 Post by MikeL238 » February 28th, 2020, 7:07 am

Dan Hammer wrote:
February 28th, 2020, 5:49 am
Jmigliano wrote:
February 27th, 2020, 8:21 pm
Got my first offer this week for a Gorgeous 6-pack for $1350. The $200 for shipping and tax puts a sour taste in my mouth. Love TRB but are these worth the $260 a bottle?
I’d suggest Maybach and MacDonald. Both are under $200 and are far superior to Schrader. Less costly to ship. No offense to TRB, but you’re paying for his name.

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Under $200??
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#12 Post by Dan_Fusco » February 28th, 2020, 7:11 am

Had my first experience with Schrader at our quarterly wine dinner this past January. It was a 2013 LPV and it was the WOTN for most of us. Would I need six bottles of each vintage? Probably not, but having a couple from each year in the cellar is worth it IMO.

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#13 Post by JFertitta » February 28th, 2020, 7:12 am

MikeL238 wrote:
February 28th, 2020, 7:07 am
Dan Hammer wrote:
February 28th, 2020, 5:49 am
Jmigliano wrote:
February 27th, 2020, 8:21 pm
Got my first offer this week for a Gorgeous 6-pack for $1350. The $200 for shipping and tax puts a sour taste in my mouth. Love TRB but are these worth the $260 a bottle?
I’d suggest Maybach and MacDonald. Both are under $200 and are far superior to Schrader. Less costly to ship. No offense to TRB, but you’re paying for his name.

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Under $200??
I think "technically" Maybach is under at like 195 or they're right at 200 for Materium. MacDonald has a full list and you can't get on and they are def aren't under $200 on the secondary market.
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#14 Post by Dan Hammer » February 28th, 2020, 7:42 am

Bdklein wrote:
February 28th, 2020, 5:57 am
Dan Hammer wrote:
February 28th, 2020, 5:49 am
Jmigliano wrote:
February 27th, 2020, 8:21 pm
Got my first offer this week for a Gorgeous 6-pack for $1350. The $200 for shipping and tax puts a sour taste in my mouth. Love TRB but are these worth the $260 a bottle?
I’d suggest Maybach and MacDonald. Both are under $200 and are far superior to Schrader. Less costly to ship. No offense to TRB, but you’re paying for his name.

Dh
How does one get MacDonald for under $200 a bottle ?
From a friend; or dare I say, mailing list.

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#15 Post by NickRut » February 28th, 2020, 7:45 am

I’d say my experience has been positive and that it is worth it for release price. There are wines I slightly prefer for the price point but I wouldn’t regret Schrader at release cost. Usually can get your money back too if you ever decided to sell.
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#16 Post by Bill G » February 28th, 2020, 8:18 am

NickRut wrote:
February 28th, 2020, 7:45 am
I’d say my experience has been positive and that it is worth it for release price. There are wines I slightly prefer for the price point but I wouldn’t regret Schrader at release cost. Usually can get your money back too if you ever decided to sell.
+1. They are excellent wines with a good & steady following.
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#17 Post by Gabe Berk » February 28th, 2020, 10:52 am

Among the dozens of wineries in Napa with $225+ price tag, Schrader is on par with the best of them. 2018's will have a couple new ones from prime To Kalon blocks otherwise not available.

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#18 Post by Scott Brunson » February 28th, 2020, 1:45 pm

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#19 Post by William Anzalone » February 28th, 2020, 1:58 pm

I got off the waitlist in 2019, after a 3 year waitlist. In 2019, I purchased my 5 pack of 2017 offered in and I purchased my Gorgeous pack this February.

I have a quarterly wine group of 5 guys that focuse on a different varietal every gathering. In 1/2020 we focused on Bourdeaux varietals and the line up included:

Schrader LPV 2014
Quilceda Creek Cabernet 2014
Sassicaia 2012
Ducru-Beaucaillou 2009
Hall Kathryn Hall 2008 (2011 WS#2 top 100).

4 out of 5 of us thought that the Schrader was the WOTN and all have purchased some Schrader since that event.

I have attended the Wine Spectator NYC Grand Tasting in 2017 and 2019. In 2017 the Sxhrader RBS 2013 was served and in 2019 the Schrader RBS 2014 was served by Fred Schrader himself. At both events, the Schrader stood out for my palate in the grouping of wines that I wanted to buy based on quality and price.

Unfortunately, I got off the waitlist after the Constellation purchase but it appears to me that the wine should not change, with the exception of expanding into more To Kalon bottlings, as long as TRB is the winemaker. Everyone has their own personal opinion of Constellation and many have decided to boycott all Constellation wines. I do not agree with Constellations stance on the To Kalon naming rights but this is a discussion for another time.

So to answer your question, I do believe Schrader is a very well made wine and very enjoyable to drink. The QPR is up to your personal buying comfortablilty but it is one of the only wines that I purchase north of $200.

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#20 Post by Paul McCourt » February 28th, 2020, 7:19 pm

These are very good wines that I have never failed to thoroughly enjoy. Worth it? Sorry, can’t answer that for you.
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#21 Post by Ian S » February 28th, 2020, 7:22 pm

William Anzalone wrote:
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4 out of 5 of us
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#22 Post by John Glas » February 28th, 2020, 7:43 pm

[quoteNo wine from anywhere is really worth $260.

But if you like the style and you have money to burn . . .][/quote] Agree. I just did a golf membership at a very good course for my son, daughter and I for less than $2,000 for a year. I will get way more enjoyment on that than less than a case of Shrader.

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#23 Post by R@f@el A. » February 29th, 2020, 6:41 am

Does anyone know the current length of the Schrader waiting list?

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#24 Post by Matt A » February 29th, 2020, 8:26 am

R@f@el A. wrote:
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Does anyone know the current length of the Schrader waiting list?
I got on November 2017.
First offer was this month.
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#25 Post by Frank Z » February 29th, 2020, 8:31 am

R@f@el A. wrote:
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Does anyone know the current length of the Schrader waiting list?
I signed up September 2018. This is also my first offer.

Even though I appreciated the mailer, I’ll have to pass. I’ve believe that Carter and Macdonald already satisfy the To Kalon part of my cellar.
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#26 Post by Sherri S h a p i r o » February 29th, 2020, 8:43 am

Bdklein wrote:
February 28th, 2020, 5:57 am
Dan Hammer wrote:
February 28th, 2020, 5:49 am
Jmigliano wrote:
February 27th, 2020, 8:21 pm
Got my first offer this week for a Gorgeous 6-pack for $1350. The $200 for shipping and tax puts a sour taste in my mouth. Love TRB but are these worth the $260 a bottle?
I’d suggest Maybach and MacDonald. Both are under $200 and are far superior to Schrader. Less costly to ship. No offense to TRB, but you’re paying for his name.

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How does one get MacDonald for under $200 a bottle ?
The mailing list price for several vintages was $150. Latest vintage was $175. Much less than Schrader mailer, comparing apples to apples.

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#27 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » February 29th, 2020, 9:04 am

GregT wrote:
February 27th, 2020, 9:44 pm
No wine from anywhere is really worth $260.

But if you like the style and you have money to burn . . .
I just bought Figeac, VCC and Chave.....

But, I did have that series of $100 Wine.com coupons!

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#28 Post by Bdklein » February 29th, 2020, 9:33 am

Sherri S h a p i r o wrote:
February 29th, 2020, 8:43 am
Bdklein wrote:
February 28th, 2020, 5:57 am
Dan Hammer wrote:
February 28th, 2020, 5:49 am


I’d suggest Maybach and MacDonald. Both are under $200 and are far superior to Schrader. Less costly to ship. No offense to TRB, but you’re paying for his name.

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How does one get MacDonald for under $200 a bottle ?
The mailing list price for several vintages was $150. Latest vintage was $175. Much less than Schrader mailer, comparing apples to apples.
I was referring to someone not in the list (highly doubtful someone not on the list) getting it for under $200.

So does the OP pay $260 for Schrader or $400 -$500 (I’m guessing ) for MacDonald?
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#29 Post by GregT » February 29th, 2020, 9:55 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
February 29th, 2020, 9:04 am
GregT wrote:
February 27th, 2020, 9:44 pm
No wine from anywhere is really worth $260.

But if you like the style and you have money to burn . . .
I just bought Figeac, VCC and Chave.....

But, I did have that series of $100 Wine.com coupons!
Cripes. I had no idea Figeac had become so expensive. I guess Rolland is costly!
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#30 Post by David Baum » February 29th, 2020, 2:02 pm

Sherri S h a p i r o wrote:
February 29th, 2020, 8:43 am
Bdklein wrote:
February 28th, 2020, 5:57 am
Dan Hammer wrote:
February 28th, 2020, 5:49 am


I’d suggest Maybach and MacDonald. Both are under $200 and are far superior to Schrader. Less costly to ship. No offense to TRB, but you’re paying for his name.

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How does one get MacDonald for under $200 a bottle ?
The mailing list price for several vintages was $150. Latest vintage was $175. Much less than Schrader mailer, comparing apples to apples.
Not a fair comparison. Schrader makes thousands of cases of wine each year and getting on the list is not difficult nor is buying excess allocations from existing lits members. McDonald on the other hand makes under 400 cases and is virtually impossible to get on the list now. List members do not have excess allocations and very few resell their wine except for Hammer

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#31 Post by Sherri S h a p i r o » February 29th, 2020, 2:44 pm

David Baum wrote:
February 29th, 2020, 2:02 pm
Sherri S h a p i r o wrote:
February 29th, 2020, 8:43 am
Bdklein wrote:
February 28th, 2020, 5:57 am


How does one get MacDonald for under $200 a bottle ?
The mailing list price for several vintages was $150. Latest vintage was $175. Much less than Schrader mailer, comparing apples to apples.
Not a fair comparison. Schrader makes thousands of cases of wine each year and getting on the list is not difficult nor is buying excess allocations from existing lits members. McDonald on the other hand makes under 400 cases and is virtually impossible to get on the list now. List members do not have excess allocations and very few resell their wine except for Hammer
I simply answered the question of "how does one get MacDonald for under $200 a bottle?" It was a mailing list price comparison, not an analysis of scarcity, demand, production or anything else.

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#32 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » February 29th, 2020, 2:58 pm

GregT wrote:
February 29th, 2020, 9:55 am
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
February 29th, 2020, 9:04 am
GregT wrote:
February 27th, 2020, 9:44 pm
No wine from anywhere is really worth $260.

But if you like the style and you have money to burn . . .
I just bought Figeac, VCC and Chave.....

But, I did have that series of $100 Wine.com coupons!
Cripes. I had no idea Figeac had become so expensive. I guess Rolland is costly!
Even pre-Rolland Figeac is $300! Look at the 2010.

Crazy I know, but it is a killer wine.

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#33 Post by Dan Hammer » March 1st, 2020, 4:16 am

David Baum wrote:
February 29th, 2020, 2:02 pm
Sherri S h a p i r o wrote:
February 29th, 2020, 8:43 am
Bdklein wrote:
February 28th, 2020, 5:57 am


How does one get MacDonald for under $200 a bottle ?
The mailing list price for several vintages was $150. Latest vintage was $175. Much less than Schrader mailer, comparing apples to apples.
Not a fair comparison. Schrader makes thousands of cases of wine each year and getting on the list is not difficult nor is buying excess allocations from existing lits members. McDonald on the other hand makes under 400 cases and is virtually impossible to get on the list now. List members do not have excess allocations and very few resell their wine except for Hammer
I share (at cost) one of my MacDonald wines with a Berserker. My other bottles are resting in my cellar.

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