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WS: To-Kalon as vineyard vs brand

#1 Post by TomC » February 14th, 2020, 1:40 pm

https://www.winespectator.com/articles/ ... such-place

Good article on this ongoing fight. Some details are the same as other articles, other details I hadn’t seen.
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#2 Post by T.L. Reasoner » February 14th, 2020, 2:17 pm

thanks for posting... Glad to see the word is getting out.
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#3 Post by M. Taylor » February 14th, 2020, 2:19 pm

It is a good read.
Maybe the MacDonalds will stop selling to Constellation. I can’t imagine they couldn’t find other buyers
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#4 Post by GregT » February 14th, 2020, 2:28 pm

Nice summary of the issue. Mondavi and Beckstoffer came to some agreement regarding the use of the name years ago, and it's been referred to as a place for as long as I've known anything about Mondavi.

I don't see how Constellation can own Mondavi and that history and yet argue that it is not and has not been a place at all.

As to whether it has to include only the original Crabb area or not, that's not really the issue. I think Tim Mondavi had it right in his quoted reasoning.
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#5 Post by T.Phillips » February 14th, 2020, 2:53 pm

Favorite part of the article:

Late last year, MacDonald sat down with Constellation's legal team at Robert Mondavi Winery prior to a quarterly California Advisory Committee Meeting on Geographic Names (CACGN), where he hoped to make the case to preserve his research. MacDonald told Wine Spectator that during the meeting Constellation's team offered him the rights to apply To Kalon to his label in exchange for supporting the removal of the To Kalon Creek name at the upcoming CACGN meeting.

MacDonald says that, in a moment of clarity, his answer seemed very simple. "Our integrity is not for sale," he told the lawyers.

MacDonald brothers are amazing dudes. Glad theyre persisting in the fight against the monstrosity that is constellation.
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#6 Post by Glen Gold » February 14th, 2020, 3:10 pm

Today, eight owners claim a portion of the vineyard, according to its historic boundaries: Mondavi, Opus One, MacDonald/Horton, Detert, Andy Beckstoffer, U.C. Davis, Wilsey/Traina and the Napa Valley Grape Growers.

Huh. Neighbors of mine when I lived by Alta Plaza park. San Francisco society folks. Anyone know what they're doing in To Kalon? EDIT: Okay, they have weekend houses there. https://dujour.com/design/trevor-traina ... -pictures/

Also: really interesting article. I like how Graeme Macdonald thinks.
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#7 Post by Lee Braem » February 14th, 2020, 3:39 pm

Location and history for AVAs should always win over corporate branding. Go Graeme and Alex.

I believe they have two years left on their current supply contract with Constellation.

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#8 Post by Roy Piper » February 15th, 2020, 11:14 am

I can't stop worrying about the legal claim by Constellation that they can make any wine from anywhere in the world of any varietal, and call it ToKalon. I believe this is their intent, eventually. "2022 To-Kalon Wine Company Central Coast Chardonnay. $19"... anyone?
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#9 Post by NED VALOIS » February 15th, 2020, 2:26 pm

Tom,
Thanks for the article.
I have forwarded it a quite a few of my non-BR wine buddies and encouraged them to support the MacDonald brothers however possible. [thumbs-up.gif]

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#10 Post by Kris Patten » February 15th, 2020, 10:11 pm

Roy Piper wrote:
February 15th, 2020, 11:14 am
I can't stop worrying about the legal claim by Constellation that they can make any wine from anywhere in the world of any varietal, and call it ToKalon. I believe this is their intent, eventually. "2022 To-Kalon Wine Company Central Coast Chardonnay. $19"... anyone?
$19 is probably too high....$9.99.
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#11 Post by Bdklein » February 16th, 2020, 3:05 pm

Lee Braem wrote:
February 14th, 2020, 3:39 pm


I believe they have two years left on their current supply contract with Constellation.
Any idea how much they sell and how much they keep ?
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#12 Post by Lee Braem » February 16th, 2020, 5:28 pm

No, not those specifics. I was just recalling a recent article about the Macdonalds and the history of selling grapes to Mondavi.

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#13 Post by David Baum » February 16th, 2020, 7:11 pm

Bdklein wrote:
February 16th, 2020, 3:05 pm
Lee Braem wrote:
February 14th, 2020, 3:39 pm


I believe they have two years left on their current supply contract with Constellation.
Any idea how much they sell and how much they keep ?
When I asked Alex last time I saw him he said total case production out of the Vineyard is about 1000 So it's close to 60/40 of late

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