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SQN Spring 2020 offer

#1 Post by Eric White » February 12th, 2020, 12:49 pm

2016 Eleven Confessions Estate Box (3) 750ml Syrah "Subir" & (3) 750ml Grenache "Pajarito Del Amor", $1500 per box.

Still a fan, my order is in for two.

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#2 Post by joeduncan » February 12th, 2020, 12:51 pm

Just joined the list last year, so this is my second EBA and I haven't actually tasted any yet. Still, I'm in for a box!

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#3 Post by NickRut » February 12th, 2020, 12:55 pm

Any reviews on these?
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#4 Post by rick m » February 12th, 2020, 1:04 pm

anyone get mag offer? some years i am offered mag or can wish list......this offer i don't even see the wish list for mag
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#5 Post by markjchambers » February 12th, 2020, 1:11 pm

I think WA central coast reviews just came out, but I don't belong any more. I was offered mags of the Spring release (which I took), but just my usual two estate boxes this round.

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#6 Post by Eric White » February 12th, 2020, 1:17 pm

rick m wrote:
February 12th, 2020, 1:04 pm
anyone get mag offer? some years i am offered mag or can wish list......this offer i don't even see the wish list for mag
no offer, but I did have the option to wishlist (which I did, as I do every release - have never gotten a red yet)

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#7 Post by Terence Lam » February 12th, 2020, 1:36 pm

Syrah and Grenache. White wine not ready yet but will be offered soon. Can't wait!

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#8 Post by robkim » February 12th, 2020, 1:51 pm

Purchased my two sets, wishlisted for a mag set. As mentioned above, I don't always recall being able to wish list for mags so seeing the option this time is different.

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#9 Post by jhans » February 12th, 2020, 2:10 pm

markjchambers wrote:
February 12th, 2020, 1:11 pm
I think WA central coast reviews just came out, but I don't belong any more. I was offered mags of the Spring release (which I took), but just my usual two estate boxes this round.
WA did not review these in the recent issue. It's kind of a no brainer with or without ratings, these are always solid wines.
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#10 Post by mark rudner » February 12th, 2020, 2:27 pm

the non eba 16's scored 98 and 99 in wa
just as an indicator

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#11 Post by Glenn L e v i n e » February 12th, 2020, 2:29 pm

Got my box, no mag offer. Quite pleased.
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#12 Post by Kris Patten » February 12th, 2020, 8:08 pm

Mags are offered at $1395.
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#13 Post by T Welch » February 12th, 2020, 8:53 pm

Kris Patten wrote:
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Mags are offered at $1395.
For a pair, yes?
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#14 Post by Kris Patten » February 12th, 2020, 9:16 pm

T Welch wrote:
February 12th, 2020, 8:53 pm
Kris Patten wrote:
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Mags are offered at $1395.
For a pair, yes?
Yes, 2-pack.
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#15 Post by GregT » February 12th, 2020, 11:01 pm

NickRut wrote:
February 12th, 2020, 12:55 pm
Any reviews on these?
Reviews don't matter Nick. They're a thousand points from somebody for sure. Parker loved them but now that he's not reviewing any more, it doesn't matter. Get whatever you can.

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#16 Post by NickRut » February 13th, 2020, 8:18 am

GregT wrote:
February 12th, 2020, 11:01 pm
NickRut wrote:
February 12th, 2020, 12:55 pm
Any reviews on these?
Reviews don't matter Nick. They're a thousand points from somebody for sure. Parker loved them but now that he's not reviewing any more, it doesn't matter. Get whatever you can.

And then if you don't like them, you can sell them.
Valid point. Just a matter of prioritization to be honest.
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#17 Post by eddy c » February 13th, 2020, 8:35 am

Waitlist...maybe soon
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#18 Post by Mike Reff » February 13th, 2020, 3:17 pm

1 Grenache and 2 Syrah, No white.. still resting.
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#19 Post by Arnold Caplan » February 13th, 2020, 4:16 pm

SQN isn't holding its value on the secondary market. So buy it to drink; not to flip.
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#20 Post by jeffruggels » February 13th, 2020, 4:23 pm

mike - are they offering . a 3 pack??

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#21 Post by larry schaffer » February 13th, 2020, 4:50 pm

Arnold Caplan wrote:
February 13th, 2020, 4:16 pm
SQN isn't holding its value on the secondary market. So buy it to drink; not to flip.
I thought the EBA wines were not only holding their value, but rewarding folks handsomely. Is that not the case anymore?

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#22 Post by Mike Reff » February 13th, 2020, 5:02 pm

jeffruggels wrote:
February 13th, 2020, 4:23 pm
mike - are they offering . a 3 pack??
Not for me, but this is only my third order.
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#23 Post by M. Eidelstein » February 13th, 2020, 5:18 pm

Anyone just get their first offer this time around? If so how long were you on waitlist? Just curious I know I have a long ways to go being only 3.5 years
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#24 Post by joeduncan » February 13th, 2020, 7:01 pm

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M. Eidelstein wrote:
February 13th, 2020, 5:18 pm
Anyone just get their first offer this time around? If so how long were you on waitlist? Just curious I know I have a long ways to go being only 3.5 years
My first was last year, I think it was about 9 years?

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#25 Post by joeduncan » February 13th, 2020, 7:02 pm

Mike Reff wrote:
February 13th, 2020, 5:02 pm
jeffruggels wrote:
February 13th, 2020, 4:23 pm
mike - are they offering . a 3 pack??
Not for me, but this is only my third order.
You got offered less than a 6 pack? I thought it was all 3+3 6 packs (or 1+1 mags)?

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#26 Post by Kirk Boylston » February 13th, 2020, 8:02 pm

M. Eidelstein wrote:
February 13th, 2020, 5:18 pm
Anyone just get their first offer this time around? If so how long were you on waitlist? Just curious I know I have a long ways to go being only 3.5 years
I just got in and I was on the waitlist for a bit over 10 years.

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#27 Post by Kris Patten » February 13th, 2020, 9:14 pm

Arnold Caplan wrote:
February 13th, 2020, 4:16 pm
SQN isn't holding its value on the secondary market. So buy it to drink; not to flip.
My wife and I drink 18 or so bottles of SQN a year. If you're looking to flip, buy stock, if you want a great bottle of wine EVERY time you open one, buy SQN.

If one gets 100 and you can sell it, that's your perogative, but I'd suggest think less, drink more.
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#28 Post by Nathan Marks » February 14th, 2020, 5:51 am

Kirk Boylston wrote:
February 13th, 2020, 8:02 pm
M. Eidelstein wrote:
February 13th, 2020, 5:18 pm
Anyone just get their first offer this time around? If so how long were you on waitlist? Just curious I know I have a long ways to go being only 3.5 years
I just got in and I was on the waitlist for a bit over 10 years.
Same here. First offer this time and was on the waitlist about 10 years.

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#29 Post by Gus Siokis » February 14th, 2020, 7:02 am

M. Eidelstein wrote:
February 13th, 2020, 5:18 pm
Anyone just get their first offer this time around? If so how long were you on waitlist? Just curious I know I have a long ways to go being only 3.5 years
Made the list about three years ago after being on the waitlist for about 10 years.....
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#30 Post by Sarah S » February 14th, 2020, 7:10 am

larry schaffer wrote:
February 13th, 2020, 4:50 pm
Arnold Caplan wrote:
February 13th, 2020, 4:16 pm
SQN isn't holding its value on the secondary market. So buy it to drink; not to flip.
I thought the EBA wines were not only holding their value, but rewarding folks handsomely. Is that not the case anymore?

Cheers
A 2015 EBA six pack just went for $2551 2/10/20, so...
https://www.klwines.com/Auction/Bidding ... rchRank=16
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#31 Post by Gray G » February 14th, 2020, 9:23 am

Sarah S wrote:
February 14th, 2020, 7:10 am
larry schaffer wrote:
February 13th, 2020, 4:50 pm
Arnold Caplan wrote:
February 13th, 2020, 4:16 pm
SQN isn't holding its value on the secondary market. So buy it to drink; not to flip.
I thought the EBA wines were not only holding their value, but rewarding folks handsomely. Is that not the case anymore?

Cheers
A 2015 EBA six pack just went for $2551 2/10/20, so...
https://www.klwines.com/Auction/Bidding ... rchRank=16
interesting to note that the winning bid was an autobid placed on 2/3/20
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#32 Post by Steve L Gellman » February 14th, 2020, 10:29 am

Was thinking about dropping off the list but just placed my order

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#33 Post by Pat Esposito » February 14th, 2020, 11:27 am

First offer after 9 years on the list. Fortunate those on the list have shared with me over the years.

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#34 Post by Dennis Borczon » February 14th, 2020, 11:59 am

Interesting ...Acker has December 19, 2019 lot of 6 bottles of 2015 going for $2,108.00 with OWC. Later lot in same auction sold for about $1,900.00 and change. Over what release is from the winery but not by a large magnitude.

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#35 Post by Sarah S » February 14th, 2020, 12:16 pm

Gray G wrote:
February 14th, 2020, 9:23 am
Sarah S wrote:
February 14th, 2020, 7:10 am
larry schaffer wrote:
February 13th, 2020, 4:50 pm


I thought the EBA wines were not only holding their value, but rewarding folks handsomely. Is that not the case anymore?

Cheers
A 2015 EBA six pack just went for $2551 2/10/20, so...
https://www.klwines.com/Auction/Bidding ... rchRank=16
interesting to note that the winning bid was an autobid placed on 2/3/20
Yep, the first bidder. There’s another on there now. More than I can shell out right now, so I’m just living vicariously through others’ bidding...
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#36 Post by Sarah S » February 14th, 2020, 12:22 pm

Dennis Borczon wrote:
February 14th, 2020, 11:59 am
Interesting ...Acker has December 19, 2019 lot of 6 bottles of 2015 going for $2,108.00 with OWC. Later lot in same auction sold for about $1,900.00 and change. Over what release is from the winery but not by a large magnitude.
The nice thing about K&L is the fact that (if they ship to you) the buyer’s premium is only 5%. Acker is, what, 24%? So the real cost for the buyer on $1900 is significantly higher- $2356. The difference is almost worth the flight to Ca. Not that this helps much if you’re selling...
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#37 Post by Dennis Borczon » February 14th, 2020, 1:13 pm

Close, 22.5% I think right now. But it makes the bids pretty comparable...

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#38 Post by Dennis Borczon » February 14th, 2020, 1:16 pm

By the time you pay for taxes and shipping from SQN the 6 bottle cost is close to $1,700.00

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#39 Post by Mike Reff » February 14th, 2020, 4:24 pm

joeduncan wrote:
February 13th, 2020, 7:02 pm
Mike Reff wrote:
February 13th, 2020, 5:02 pm
jeffruggels wrote:
February 13th, 2020, 4:23 pm
mike - are they offering . a 3 pack??
Not for me, but this is only my third order.
You got offered less than a 6 pack? I thought it was all 3+3 6 packs (or 1+1 mags)?
Maybe I am special?
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#40 Post by Gray G » February 14th, 2020, 6:26 pm

Sarah S wrote:
February 14th, 2020, 12:22 pm
Dennis Borczon wrote:
February 14th, 2020, 11:59 am
Interesting ...Acker has December 19, 2019 lot of 6 bottles of 2015 going for $2,108.00 with OWC. Later lot in same auction sold for about $1,900.00 and change. Over what release is from the winery but not by a large magnitude.
The nice thing about K&L is the fact that (if they ship to you) the buyer’s premium is only 5%. Acker is, what, 24%? So the real cost for the buyer on $1900 is significantly higher- $2356. The difference is almost worth the flight to Ca. Not that this helps much if you’re selling...

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#41 Post by markjchambers » February 15th, 2020, 1:32 pm

Arnold Caplan wrote:
February 13th, 2020, 4:16 pm
SQN isn't holding its value on the secondary market. So buy it to drink; not to flip.
You are right. When I was waiting to get on the list (10 years ago) I often looked for their wines on the secondary market and the markups were 2X to 3X release price. Wines like The Inaugural went for $1000 and I remember seeing a 2010 Stockholm Syndrome box go for $4000 on winebid. Something seems to have changes with the 2011 releases. Since then the premiums for most of the releases have fallen sharply. Right now the 2013 estate box (rated the same 100/100 score as Stockholm) is going for $1980 on winebid. If that was my box I'd be losing money on the sale.

I used to think SQN was in the same league as cult Napa cabs, but no longer. Not sure why this has happened. Increased production? Shifting tastes?
I think the wines are as good as they have ever been and I wouldn't flip in any case, but it is curious.

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#42 Post by Gray G » February 15th, 2020, 3:36 pm

markjchambers wrote:
February 15th, 2020, 1:32 pm
Arnold Caplan wrote:
February 13th, 2020, 4:16 pm
SQN isn't holding its value on the secondary market. So buy it to drink; not to flip.
You are right. When I was waiting to get on the list (10 years ago) I often looked for their wines on the secondary market and the markups were 2X to 3X release price. Wines like The Inaugural went for $1000 and I remember seeing a 2010 Stockholm Syndrome box go for $4000 on winebid. Something seems to have changes with the 2011 releases. Since then the premiums for most of the releases have fallen sharply. Right now the 2013 estate box (rated the same 100/100 score as Stockholm) is going for $1980 on winebid. If that was my box I'd be losing money on the sale.

I used to think SQN was in the same league as cult Napa cabs, but no longer. Not sure why this has happened. Increased production? Shifting tastes?
I think the wines are as good as they have ever been and I wouldn't flip in any case, but it is curious.
hopefully the flippers get off the list so more folks can enjoy the wines of M & E
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#43 Post by S. Stevenson » February 17th, 2020, 10:52 am

markjchambers wrote:
February 15th, 2020, 1:32 pm
Arnold Caplan wrote:
February 13th, 2020, 4:16 pm
SQN isn't holding its value on the secondary market. So buy it to drink; not to flip.
You are right. When I was waiting to get on the list (10 years ago) I often looked for their wines on the secondary market and the markups were 2X to 3X release price. Wines like The Inaugural went for $1000 and I remember seeing a 2010 Stockholm Syndrome box go for $4000 on winebid. Something seems to have changes with the 2011 releases. Since then the premiums for most of the releases have fallen sharply. Right now the 2013 estate box (rated the same 100/100 score as Stockholm) is going for $1980 on winebid. If that was my box I'd be losing money on the sale.

I used to think SQN was in the same league as cult Napa cabs, but no longer. Not sure why this has happened. Increased production? Shifting tastes?
I think the wines are as good as they have ever been and I wouldn't flip in any case, but it is curious.
This is correct. The 2014 EBA's(100 point wines) are going in the $1,600's for a 6 pak and with the seller's tax one is losing a few hundred per transaction. I said flipping SQN was no longer a thing to do a couple of years ago and nobody believed me. https://www.winebid.com/BuyWine/Item/73 ... -Dei-Putt~
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#44 Post by Dennis Borczon » February 17th, 2020, 11:10 am

Shows that Manfred has correctly and successfully priced his wines at the exact tipping point to maximize return to the winery without having to deal with storing excess product, shifting the wines to distributors, etc. He has built a good brand with his work and is not getting silly. Wonder is Bill Harlan is listening...

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#45 Post by T Welch » February 17th, 2020, 11:23 am

S. Stevenson wrote:
February 17th, 2020, 10:52 am
markjchambers wrote:
February 15th, 2020, 1:32 pm
Arnold Caplan wrote:
February 13th, 2020, 4:16 pm
SQN isn't holding its value on the secondary market. So buy it to drink; not to flip.
You are right. When I was waiting to get on the list (10 years ago) I often looked for their wines on the secondary market and the markups were 2X to 3X release price. Wines like The Inaugural went for $1000 and I remember seeing a 2010 Stockholm Syndrome box go for $4000 on winebid. Something seems to have changes with the 2011 releases. Since then the premiums for most of the releases have fallen sharply. Right now the 2013 estate box (rated the same 100/100 score as Stockholm) is going for $1980 on winebid. If that was my box I'd be losing money on the sale.

I used to think SQN was in the same league as cult Napa cabs, but no longer. Not sure why this has happened. Increased production? Shifting tastes?
I think the wines are as good as they have ever been and I wouldn't flip in any case, but it is curious.
This is correct. The 2014 EBA's(100 point wines) are going in the $1,600's for a 6 pak and with the seller's tax one is losing a few hundred per transaction. I said flipping SQN was no longer a thing to do a couple of years ago and nobody believed me. https://www.winebid.com/BuyWine/Item/73 ... -Dei-Putt~
The 2014 EBAs are not 100 point wines, at least not in the Wine Advocate (Grenache 98+, Syrah 96+) or Vinous (both 98). The "regular" Grenache and Syrah both scored 100 in the Wine Advocate.
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#46 Post by Dennis Borczon » February 17th, 2020, 11:34 am

You know after all these years I still can't quite reliably taste the difference between 98+ and 100. Must be my old palate. Damn those writers are something special to do that. Guess some people still believe the difference 2 points make. But then again, some people still believe in ghosts.

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#47 Post by TimF » February 18th, 2020, 6:39 pm

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#48 Post by Andy Sc » February 19th, 2020, 5:18 am

GregT wrote:
February 12th, 2020, 11:01 pm
NickRut wrote:
February 12th, 2020, 12:55 pm
Any reviews on these?
Reviews don't matter Nick. They're a thousand points from somebody for sure. Parker loved them but now that he's not reviewing any more, it doesn't matter. Get whatever you can.

And then if you don't like them, you can sell them.
To say "it doesn't matter anymore" is factually wrong (or call it bad advice), when these ratings still influence the market, i.e. the availability and price development of the wines (certainly less pronounced than at Parker's peak, true).
Andrew Scheppler - wine lover and heavy drinker :)

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Re: SQN Spring 2020 offer

#49 Post by Steve L Gellman » February 19th, 2020, 6:15 am

Was recently in the Caymans. 2 different restaurant wine lists had assorted SQN’s for $2,000 plus a bottle

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Re: SQN Spring 2020 offer

#50 Post by Brian Thorne » February 19th, 2020, 9:26 am

Personally, I think in many cases the SQN wines are "better" and more interesting today than they were a decade ago. The fact that I can buy additional bottles on the secondary market for a lesser price is certainly a win in my book!

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