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#151 Post by Sh@n A » September 25th, 2020, 9:39 pm

viewtopic.php?t=137772 But not the same buzz as this thread for sure...
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#152 Post by C. Keller » September 26th, 2020, 8:25 am

Had the 2016 Ratti Marcenasco last night. It was enjoyable but a tad tannic. For $50 i'd crack a few sparingly over the next coming years as I think it will be enjoyable sooner.
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#153 Post by emile bond » September 26th, 2020, 8:19 pm

emile bond wrote:
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I think the best '14s are beautiful, elegant wines, which makes no sense given the weather. I'm cellaring a lot of 12s and 14s for nearer term drinking.
Castello di Verduno Barbaresco 2014 is delicious tonight.
2014 Produttori is slightly more refined and equally delicious.

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#154 Post by Phil T r o t t e r » October 13th, 2020, 8:47 am

Tom Taylor wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 4:07 pm
Lorenzo F wrote:
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Thoughts on the less renowned elio sandri, piero benevelli and piero busso?
Elio Sandra, shhhhhhh. When I see any Barolo available from Sandri at any level regardless of vintage I buy it. Very hard to come by here in the States
I've never tried Elio Sandri Barolo. I was just offered some 2014 Normale, case of 6, 93.50 CAD. I'm always a little scared of 2014 as a vintage for Barolo so not sure this makes sense. I was thinking of focusing more on 2016. Anybody with input on this 2014 Elio Sandri? Price seems a little high too (as comparison, it's the same price as Vajra Bricco Delle Viole).

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#155 Post by Tom Taylor » October 13th, 2020, 5:20 pm

Phil T r o t t e r wrote:
October 13th, 2020, 8:47 am
Tom Taylor wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 4:07 pm
Lorenzo F wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 12:44 pm
Thoughts on the less renowned elio sandri, piero benevelli and piero busso?
Elio Sandra, shhhhhhh. When I see any Barolo available from Sandri at any level regardless of vintage I buy it. Very hard to come by here in the States
I've never tried Elio Sandri Barolo. I was just offered some 2014 Normale, case of 6, 93.50 CAD. I'm always a little scared of 2014 as a vintage for Barolo so not sure this makes sense. I was thinking of focusing more on 2016. Anybody with input on this 2014 Elio Sandri? Price seems a little high too (as comparison, it's the same price as Vajra Bricco Delle Viole).

He only bottled one Barolo in 2014. Galloni gave the wine very strong praise, 93 PTS and glowing verbiage. You’re right that is not a very sharp price. I own some, but have not tasted any.
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#156 Post by J. Galang » October 13th, 2020, 9:52 pm

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What's a good price for 2016 Bartolo Mascarello? Seems like there's a few pretty aggressive retailers on wine searcher.
Peter - very individual as to what you think a good price is, but a normal markup on the retailer's end would probably be $175 or so - maybe a bit less. The winery obviously sells at a reasonable price and so does the importer. That said things appear to have taken a step change higher with the 2016 vintage, which I must admit I'm surprised at, especially given the COVID impact on restaurants, which I assumed took down a good portion of these wines. At this point I'd say anything below $300 is a good price.

I love the winery and own more Bartolo than just about anything else, but the 2016 prices are getting a bit nuts. I've backfilled the 2013 at lower prices this year than I bought the 2016 at, and to me the '13 is probably a better wine on the margin. The '16 is approaching the price of the 2010 and the '10 is a better wine.
What makes you say that 2013 Bartolo is better than 2016?
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#157 Post by Lorenzo F » October 13th, 2020, 11:06 pm

Phil T r o t t e r wrote:
October 13th, 2020, 8:47 am
Tom Taylor wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 4:07 pm
Lorenzo F wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 12:44 pm
Thoughts on the less renowned elio sandri, piero benevelli and piero busso?
Elio Sandra, shhhhhhh. When I see any Barolo available from Sandri at any level regardless of vintage I buy it. Very hard to come by here in the States
I've never tried Elio Sandri Barolo. I was just offered some 2014 Normale, case of 6, 93.50 CAD. I'm always a little scared of 2014 as a vintage for Barolo so not sure this makes sense. I was thinking of focusing more on 2016. Anybody with input on this 2014 Elio Sandri? Price seems a little high too (as comparison, it's the same price as Vajra Bricco Delle Viole).
Absurdity high price .
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#158 Post by Phil T r o t t e r » October 14th, 2020, 8:20 am

Lorenzo F wrote:
October 13th, 2020, 11:06 pm
Phil T r o t t e r wrote:
October 13th, 2020, 8:47 am
Tom Taylor wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 4:07 pm

Elio Sandra, shhhhhhh. When I see any Barolo available from Sandri at any level regardless of vintage I buy it. Very hard to come by here in the States
I've never tried Elio Sandri Barolo. I was just offered some 2014 Normale, case of 6, 93.50 CAD. I'm always a little scared of 2014 as a vintage for Barolo so not sure this makes sense. I was thinking of focusing more on 2016. Anybody with input on this 2014 Elio Sandri? Price seems a little high too (as comparison, it's the same price as Vajra Bricco Delle Viole).
Absurdity high price .
Let's keep in mind that the prices in Quebec are generally higher than in the US. Hence the comparison: Vajra Bricco Delle Viole, Borgogno Fossati or Elio Altare would all be around that price. <edited since I clicked submit too early>
I think I will let this one go and rather put my marbles on 2016 bottles.

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#159 Post by ChrisJames » October 14th, 2020, 9:56 am

Phil T r o t t e r wrote:
October 13th, 2020, 8:47 am
Tom Taylor wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 4:07 pm
Lorenzo F wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 12:44 pm
Thoughts on the less renowned elio sandri, piero benevelli and piero busso?
Elio Sandra, shhhhhhh. When I see any Barolo available from Sandri at any level regardless of vintage I buy it. Very hard to come by here in the States
I've never tried Elio Sandri Barolo. I was just offered some 2014 Normale, case of 6, 93.50 CAD. I'm always a little scared of 2014 as a vintage for Barolo so not sure this makes sense. I was thinking of focusing more on 2016. Anybody with input on this 2014 Elio Sandri? Price seems a little high too (as comparison, it's the same price as Vajra Bricco Delle Viole).
The only prices I've seen recently in the US are $55 (plus 10% sales tax) in WA and $63 in OR, so your price in CAD does not seem outrageous. Regarding 2014, I suppose you have to fall back on considering producer over vintage. Like you, I only know Elio Sandri by (high) reputation.

Here is a review. It does not sound shitty.

2014 Elio Sandri Barolo Perno Vigna Disa

Elio Sandri’s 2014 Barolo Perno Vigna Disa is gorgeous. It is also the only wine Sandri bottled in 2014, so all of the best fruit is in this bottling. Dark cherry, leather, smoke, savory herbs, licorice and dried flowers give the 2014 much of its complexity and overall nuance. Readers should expect a powerful, savory Barolo with quite a bit of both nuance and character, but less in the way of primary fruit.
— Antonio Galloni 93 Points.

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#160 Post by John Morris » October 14th, 2020, 9:59 am

ChrisJames wrote:
October 14th, 2020, 9:56 am
.... Here is a review. It does not sound shitty.

2014 Elio Sandri Barolo Perno Vigna Disa

Elio Sandri’s 2014 Barolo Perno Vigna Disa is gorgeous. It is also the only wine Sandri bottled in 2014, so all of the best fruit is in this bottling. Dark cherry, leather, smoke, savory herbs, licorice and dried flowers give the 2014 much of its complexity and overall nuance. Readers should expect a powerful, savory Barolo with quite a bit of both nuance and character, but less in the way of primary fruit.
— Antonio Galloni 93 Points.
But when have you seen a Galloni score below 93? The scale kind of begins there for him.
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#161 Post by Rob M » October 14th, 2020, 10:20 am

John Morris wrote:
October 14th, 2020, 9:59 am
ChrisJames wrote:
October 14th, 2020, 9:56 am
.... Here is a review. It does not sound shitty.

2014 Elio Sandri Barolo Perno Vigna Disa

Elio Sandri’s 2014 Barolo Perno Vigna Disa is gorgeous. It is also the only wine Sandri bottled in 2014, so all of the best fruit is in this bottling. Dark cherry, leather, smoke, savory herbs, licorice and dried flowers give the 2014 much of its complexity and overall nuance. Readers should expect a powerful, savory Barolo with quite a bit of both nuance and character, but less in the way of primary fruit.
— Antonio Galloni 93 Points.
But when have you seen a Galloni score below 93? The scale kind of begins there for him.
Just a quick glance at Galloni's 2014 Barolo reviews - range from 83 to 100 (Monfortino). There's ~10 pages of 2014 Barolo reviews with 25 wines each - some duplicates, but call it 250. The 93 pointers are on the bottom of page 3 - top of page 4. So let's say roughly out of 250 '14s, for AG 93 points puts it at wine ~63-88, so let's call it 65-75th percentile, or better than 2/3 or so of wines in the vintage. So a 93 point score, in the 2014 vintage, is actually decent praise from Galloni. In other vintages, 93 looks to be about the median score. For example in 2016, which we'll say is a particularly strong vintage, his 93 pointers are on page 4-5 out of 8 total reviewed to-date.
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#162 Post by ChrisJames » October 14th, 2020, 10:24 am

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But when have you seen a Galloni score below 93? The scale kind of begins there for him.
Perhaps so. I was also looking at the verbiage (which is perhaps equally meaningless). But really, aren't the vast majority of scores in the 90-95 range? It is really a 10 point scale rather than a 100 point scale (kind of like gymnastic scores). If it is under 90 it is undrinkable!

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#163 Post by J Dove » October 14th, 2020, 4:51 pm

It doesn’t surprise me that half of what he published for 2016 rated 93 or higher. I’m Drinking a 2016 Mauro Molino barolo Normale that he rated 91 points. Larner rated it 93+ and frankly, I think I agree with her.

I am no Piedmont expert, but these wines are more exciting to me than 2005 Bordeaux was, and that is saying something.
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#164 Post by John Morris » October 15th, 2020, 8:45 am

ChrisJames wrote:
October 14th, 2020, 10:24 am
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But when have you seen a Galloni score below 93? The scale kind of begins there for him.
Perhaps so. I was also looking at the verbiage (which is perhaps equally meaningless). But really, aren't the vast majority of scores in the 90-95 range? It is really a 10 point scale rather than a 100 point scale (kind of like gymnastic scores). If it is under 90 it is undrinkable!
But Galloni's verbiage is always gushing.

These days, you don't see many published reviews with scores below 92 or 93, save for a few critics who have somehow been immune to grade inflation, like Luis Guitierrez at Wine Advocate, and the Burgundy critics, William Kelley, John Gilman, Allan Meadows and Claude Kolm
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#165 Post by Barry L i p t o n » October 15th, 2020, 9:06 am

There were so many great Barolo vintages between 96 and 01, not to mention 04, 06, 10 etc.

Curious if any of the long time collectors see 2016 as clearly at the very top of vintage rankings. I like my Barolo well aged, and have a fair amount, so sitting in the sidelines.

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#166 Post by Sh@n A » October 15th, 2020, 9:17 am

Vinous came out today: "In my view, 2016 does not quite reach the stratospheric peaks of 2013 or 2010, but, and it is a big BUT, the average quality of wines is higher, so the likelihood of finding a beautiful Barolo in 2016 is correspondingly greater."
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#167 Post by J. Galang » October 15th, 2020, 9:20 am

Barry L i p t o n wrote:
October 15th, 2020, 9:06 am
There were so many great Barolo vintages between 96 and 01, not to mention 04, 06, 10 etc.

Curious if any of the long time collectors see 2016 as clearly at the very top of vintage rankings. I like my Barolo well aged, and have a fair amount, so sitting in the sidelines.
Curious as well. One thing I noticed though, for a few producers, backfilling is going to be very expensive. Producers like Bartolo, Burlotto Monvigliero, Giacomo Conterno, and Cappellano are quite expensive in older "great" vintages. I agree that 2016 "inflated" prices are crazy but I heard some people still getting "normal" pricing for some of these producers I listed here so it makes sense for them to jump on their allocations. Personally, the market is forcing me to look for alternate producers as gone are the days I bought Bartolo for $80.

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#168 Post by John Morris » October 15th, 2020, 10:13 am

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Vinous came out today: "In my view, 2016 does not quite reach the stratospheric peaks of 2013 or 2010, but, and it is a big BUT, the average quality of wines is higher, so the likelihood of finding a beautiful Barolo in 2016 is correspondingly greater."
Walter Speller, who writes for Jancis Robinson, indicated at a tasting in NY last fall that he thinks VERY highly of 16.

Making decisions between different wines in fine vintages based solely on a generalization about a vintage doesn't really make sense.
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#169 Post by Sh@n A » October 15th, 2020, 11:27 am

Palates matter as well... I like the vibrant fruit and fine tannin I find in the few 2016s I have tried, and like the idea they may retain more of that vibrant fruit at 'peak' versus other vintages that may require more time from vintage to be approachable (although I have some concern with alcohol levels I see on the label). With all that said, I don't have obvious disagreement with AG's comment on quality dispersion.... I have loved the quality of 'tier 2' producers this vintage, and have gotten deep Brovia, Grasso, Vajra, Vietti Castiglione etc. where in some cases I think the '16s are better than other recent vintages I have tasted.. i.e., these 'lesser' estates hit new highs in 2016. I have not tasted the "tier 1s", but I do not get the sense people are viewing these "tier 1s" as hitting new highs this vintage versus prior vintages (e.g., Conterno, Rinaldi, Bartolo - perhaps the exception of Burlotto). Just typing out loud... do these Tier 1s have warmer terroir that benefits from cooler temps, more so than the lesser estates?
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#170 Post by ChrisJames » October 15th, 2020, 11:30 am

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But Galloni's verbiage is always gushing.

These days, you don't see many published reviews with scores below 92 or 93, save for a few critics who have somehow been immune to grade inflation, like Luis Guitierrez at Wine Advocate, and the Burgundy critics, William Kelley, John Gilman, Allan Meadows and Claude Kolm
So if you are skeptical (cynical?) about Galloni, who do you trust for Italian wines specifically beyond your own experience?

I like reading John Gilman's reviews, but am only familiar with what he says regarding Oregon. He, too, is not immune to hyperbole. I've seen a few reviews where he puts the drinking window out to 2055. That is saying something considering how few Oregon wines or winemakers have been around for 25-30 years.

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#171 Post by John Morris » October 15th, 2020, 11:54 am

ChrisJames wrote:
October 15th, 2020, 11:30 am
So if you are skeptical (cynical?) about Galloni, who do you trust for Italian wines specifically beyond your own experience?
I don't subscribe to Jancis Robinson's reviews, but I've seen Walter Speller speak at big tastings of the '15s and '16s, and was very impressed with the depth and subtlety of his knowledge. Greg dal Piaz, who sometimes weighs in here, is a friend whose palate I trust, particularly with respect to B and B.

My issue with Galloni is that you could stack up 50 reviews of his of Barolo and Barbaresco and the descriptions are equally enthusiastic, his scores fall in a narrow range, he never says anything critical about a wine, and he never remarks on conspicuous new oak (which is weird).
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#172 Post by ChrisJames » October 15th, 2020, 12:27 pm

John Morris wrote:
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Greg dal Piaz, who sometimes weighs in here, is a friend whose palate I trust, particularly with respect to B and B.
Yes. I have never had the pleasure of meeting Greg, but I've enjoyed reading his B&B thoughts for many years (including on Sandri).

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#173 Post by J Dove » October 15th, 2020, 1:06 pm

John Morris wrote:
October 15th, 2020, 11:54 am
ChrisJames wrote:
October 15th, 2020, 11:30 am
So if you are skeptical (cynical?) about Galloni, who do you trust for Italian wines specifically beyond your own experience?
I don't subscribe to Jancis Robinson's reviews, but I've seen Walter Speller speak at big tastings of the '15s and '16s, and was very impressed with the depth and subtlety of his knowledge. Greg dal Piaz, who sometimes weighs in here, is a friend whose palate I trust, particularly with respect to B and B.

My issue with Galloni is that you could stack up 50 reviews of his of Barolo and Barbaresco and the descriptions are equally enthusiastic, his scores fall in a narrow range, he never says anything critical about a wine, and he never remarks on conspicuous new oak (which is weird).

If anything, Galloni’s scores aren’t narrow enough, IMO. I’ve read through all of Speller’s 2016 Barolo scores — and, while I don’t doubt he’s doing a good service by rating probably 60% of them 17 points... probably 60% of them are 17 points. His bell curve is an upside down V. From memory, the highest score is 18, of which there may be a two or three. There are a handful of 17.5s and a similar handful of 16.5s and very little below that. For Galloni, if it’s below 91, you know he’s basically saying this has some not insignificant issue — too lean, hot, unripe tannins, whatever. But, there’s a range from 91 to 100 that amounts to a hierarchy — and plotted, it’s probably a bell curve.

I’ve had a dozen or so 2016s so far and I have to say they’ve all been really nice wines. It’s hard to be too critical about him being positive because there’s a lot to be positive about. I get the ‘yeah, this is another 17’ thinking as opposed to this is a 95 versus this is a 94. As for Speller’s notes — not super detailed or descriptive. He’s not giving you a lot of information...
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#174 Post by Jon Drummond » October 15th, 2020, 6:04 pm

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probably 60% of them are 17 points. His bell curve is an upside down V. From memory, the highest score is 18, of which there may be a two or three. There are a handful of 17.5s and a similar handful of 16.5s and very little below that.
Realistically though it's hard to be so precise and granular about wines. Average, Good, Very Good...most wines will fall into these brackets.

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#175 Post by Keith Levenberg » October 15th, 2020, 6:30 pm

Barry L i p t o n wrote:
October 15th, 2020, 9:06 am
There were so many great Barolo vintages between 96 and 01, not to mention 04, 06, 10 etc.

Curious if any of the long time collectors see 2016 as clearly at the very top of vintage rankings. I like my Barolo well aged, and have a fair amount, so sitting in the sidelines.
I wouldn't call myself a long time Barolo collector but I've been buying and drinking them since the '96s and my personal view is:
- up until the mid-2000s they were all basically undrinkable on release regardless of wine quality or vintage quality.
- while being able to put a young Barolo in your mouth without making a funny face started in the mid-to-late aughts, it would take another couple of years before any of them actually tasted affirmatively good on release.
- if anyone is making vintage-of-the-century declarations based on how 2016 Barolos taste right now they may in fact be right, or they may be shoveling something, but they sure ain't drinking the same stuff they used to put in Barolo bottles.
Putting on my flame-suit, but I'm making no qualitative judgments & will be the first one to applaud if New Barolo turns out better than Barolo Classic.

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#176 Post by Lorenzo F » October 16th, 2020, 3:17 pm

J. Galang wrote:
October 15th, 2020, 9:20 am
Barry L i p t o n wrote:
October 15th, 2020, 9:06 am
There were so many great Barolo vintages between 96 and 01, not to mention 04, 06, 10 etc.

Curious if any of the long time collectors see 2016 as clearly at the very top of vintage rankings. I like my Barolo well aged, and have a fair amount, so sitting in the sidelines.
Curious as well. One thing I noticed though, for a few producers, backfilling is going to be very expensive. Producers like Bartolo, Burlotto Monvigliero, Giacomo Conterno, and Cappellano are quite expensive in older "great" vintages. I agree that 2016 "inflated" prices are crazy but I heard some people still getting "normal" pricing for some of these producers I listed here so it makes sense for them to jump on their allocations. Personally, the market is forcing me to look for alternate producers as gone are the days I bought Bartolo for $80.

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Imho it's genuinely organic , fortunately I think there is still plenty of upper coming producers that hopefully will reach those peaks but prices are set to raise generally undoubtedly. Nobody wants to pay more for the wines he loves but j got to say I m very happy barolos are getting the attention they deserve .alright
I m a bit biased 😂
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#177 Post by O.G. Nikolai » October 17th, 2020, 9:28 am

Tried to focus on traditional producers with value for money stuff in 2016.
So far by now:
Barbaresco: Produttori, Cigliutti
Barolo: Vietti, Cavalotto

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#178 Post by Tom Taylor » October 18th, 2020, 9:12 am

PSA, some 2013 Elio Sandri Perno Riserva is currently available at a very fair price at Grandvin Merchants in Olympia Washington
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#179 Post by A Willi@mson » October 19th, 2020, 3:03 pm

FWIW I thought 'beppe Rinaldis '16s were notably better wines than the 13s were at a similar age. As Keith notes though, it's very, very hard to get a read on Barolo this early unless the winemaking is interventionist and new-skool (hello, Chiara Boschis). I'm pleased to report Cavallotto still put what they've always put in their bottles - Barolo not meant to be touched for 15 years.

Also, Vietti is not traditional. Really, really not.
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#180 Post by Sh@n A » October 19th, 2020, 6:42 pm

Tom Taylor wrote:
October 18th, 2020, 9:12 am
PSA, some 2013 Elio Sandri Perno Riserva is currently available at a very fair price at Grandvin Merchants in Olympia Washington
Chambers in NY as well.
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#181 Post by AAgrawal » October 19th, 2020, 8:19 pm

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Tom Taylor wrote:
October 18th, 2020, 9:12 am
PSA, some 2013 Elio Sandri Perno Riserva is currently available at a very fair price at Grandvin Merchants in Olympia Washington
Chambers in NY as well.
Is the Perno Riserva "Vigna Disa" a different bottling from the Perno Riserva? I don't know enough about this producer to know and google has failed me.
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Re: 2016 Barolo : what to buy in en-primeur

#182 Post by Johan R » October 19th, 2020, 10:25 pm

AAgrawal wrote:
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Tom Taylor wrote:
October 18th, 2020, 9:12 am
PSA, some 2013 Elio Sandri Perno Riserva is currently available at a very fair price at Grandvin Merchants in Olympia Washington
Chambers in NY as well.
Is the Perno Riserva "Vigna Disa" a different bottling from the Perno Riserva? I don't know enough about this producer to know and google has failed me.
Yes it is. I am not clued in as to the difference in what goes in the bottle but I know two different bottlings of Riserva were made in the 2012 vintage for example and Vigna Disa is the more expensive.
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Re: 2016 Barolo : what to buy in en-primeur

#183 Post by Tom Taylor » October 20th, 2020, 2:44 am

I believe in 2013 only one Riserva was bottled, but truthfully I’m not sure. Sandri’s labeling is not always consistent from year to year
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Re: 2016 Barolo : what to buy in en-primeur

#184 Post by Lorenzo F » October 20th, 2020, 2:36 pm

Have you guys tried the ciman ? Entirely aged in cement and so downgraded to a different name . I raccomend it .
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Re: 2016 Barolo : what to buy in en-primeur

#185 Post by B Caputo » October 20th, 2020, 4:21 pm

Elio sandri made two riservas in 2013.
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Re: 2016 Barolo : what to buy in en-primeur

#186 Post by Tom Taylor » October 21st, 2020, 1:18 am

B Caputo wrote:
October 20th, 2020, 4:21 pm
Elio sandri made two riservas in 2013.

Thanks for the definitive clarification
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Re: 2016 Barolo : what to buy in en-primeur

#187 Post by joz€f p1nxten » October 21st, 2020, 2:36 am

Lorenzo F wrote:
October 20th, 2020, 2:36 pm
Have you guys tried the ciman ? Entirely aged in cement and so downgraded to a different name . I raccomend it .
No, quite intrigued but it's more expensive than the normal barolo - have you tried it?

And in general, what is Elio's style like?
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