2016 Barolo : what to buy in en-primeur

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Re: 2016 Barolo : what to buy in en-primeur

#51 Post by John Morris » August 1st, 2020, 6:16 pm

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Watched 8 cases of Brovia (excluding the normale) disappear in less than an hour. That was really something. I’ve bought too much other 2016 barolo so I only grabbed 4 bottles total, but with demand what it is I wonder if that was a mistake....
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#52 Post by asnitow » August 1st, 2020, 6:26 pm

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Burlotto’s Monvigliero is another one - I own about 60 bottles plus dbl mags, of 06-12 all bought at $40/750ml. I can’t really understand the hype around these now - having drunk multiple bottles of the 13.

So: trust your own palate and stick to producers you know you like
Not like these wines need any further flogging, but I had a bottle of 2008 Burlotto Monvig the other night that was insanely good. Prob my wine of the year.
I agree prices have gotten crazy, esp with the recent Del Posto auction, but i certainly dont deny the inherent quality or the specialness of the site.
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#53 Post by Tom Taylor » August 2nd, 2020, 5:22 am

Scored a few Brovia Rocche this morning at a fair price, very pleased. Ca Mia will be next.
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#54 Post by F.Daner » August 2nd, 2020, 5:29 am

Anyone else back loading other vintages while 16 hype goes into over drive ? I took a break from buying in general from 16-19 and realized how little barolo I had left. I've seen some nice pricing on 13-15 while i search for 16's. Most recent purchases were 13 Elio Grasso Ginestra and 13 Cavallotto Bricco Boschi.

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#55 Post by Andrew M » August 2nd, 2020, 6:02 am

Just a bit but it’s been all 13s, while they’re still available at a reasonable price. Went deeper on Vajra BDV, Alessandria Monvig, and E. Pira Cannubi all at or close to release price. Thinking about a few 13 Le Vigne before I tap out. Maybe some riservas and I’d jump on 13 Brovia Rocche if I could find it. That said it’s not really slowing me down on 2016, I think I’m at 5 cases while not all necessarily Barolo...
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#56 Post by JohnP » August 2nd, 2020, 8:37 am

Just grabbed a few 16' Brovia Brea Vigne Ca'Mia from Winehouse in Los Angeles. Anyone know the difference between the Brea Vigne Ca'Mia and Ca'Mia?
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#57 Post by Lorenzo F » August 2nd, 2020, 8:45 am

Luigi pira margheria 2016 is truly glorious and dirt cheap
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#58 Post by F.Daner » August 2nd, 2020, 10:05 am

All Star Wines has a good price on 16 Cavallotto and Vajra Albe- $66 and $30.
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#59 Post by Martin Petersen » August 2nd, 2020, 10:41 am

Fully agree. I have tasted the entire current line-up with Gianpaolo three times, last time last Saturday. Everything he’s made in ‘16 is so good as is his Langhe Nebbiolo 2018. Margheria was my favorite but I bought them all.

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#60 Post by Tom Taylor » August 2nd, 2020, 11:16 am

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Just grabbed a few 16' Brovia Brea Vigne Ca'Mia from Winehouse in Los Angeles. Anyone know the difference between the Brea Vigne Ca'Mia and Ca'Mia?
No difference, same wine. Brea is the official name of the vineyard. Ca Mia is a one HA monopole plot within the Brea Cru
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#61 Post by F.Daner » August 2nd, 2020, 1:52 pm

Thanks Martin and Lorenzo. New producer for me but the notes and pricing are very attractive. Saratoga Wine Exchange has the whole line up for those on the east coast.
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Fully agree. I have tasted the entire current line-up with Gianpaolo three times, last time last Saturday. Everything he’s made in ‘16 is so good as is his Langhe Nebbiolo 2018. Margheria was my favorite but I bought them all.

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Luigi pira margheria 2016 is truly glorious and dirt cheap
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#62 Post by F.Daner » August 3rd, 2020, 6:11 pm

I'm seeing them both for $80-90 on east and west coast.
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The explanation given to me why Grasso prices listed at $100, is they marked them up proactively not certain of tariff situation. But even if tariffs don't come, they will try to keep the price and sell the vintage (which AG came out today and did his part to highlight is a strong vintage).
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#63 Post by JFertitta » August 3rd, 2020, 6:15 pm

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August 3rd, 2020, 6:11 pm
I'm seeing them both for $80-90 on east and west coast.
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The explanation given to me why Grasso prices listed at $100, is they marked them up proactively not certain of tariff situation. But even if tariffs don't come, they will try to keep the price and sell the vintage (which AG came out today and did his part to highlight is a strong vintage).
east coast here, got my grasso's for $75
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#64 Post by Dinesh Goyal » August 3rd, 2020, 6:53 pm

I can’t see any 2016 Brovia. Who’s offering it?

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#65 Post by AndreasB » August 4th, 2020, 12:19 am

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August 2nd, 2020, 5:29 am
Anyone else back loading other vintages while 16 hype goes into over drive ? I took a break from buying in general from 16-19 and realized how little barolo I had left. I've seen some nice pricing on 13-15 while i search for 16's. Most recent purchases were 13 Elio Grasso Ginestra and 13 Cavallotto Bricco Boschi.

Cheers
Good point. I've also back filled some 2013s, but do to limited storing capacity I try to be selective especially with regards to vintages. Recently we had a Scarzello Vigna Merenda (small plot within Sarmassa) 2011, that was really great, but still marked by the warm vintage in the sense that it didn't have the extra energy and structure, which I like in Barolo. With that said I'm still tempted to go for some Brovia Rocche 2015 and maybe some Vietti Crus from 2014.
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#66 Post by Tom Taylor » August 4th, 2020, 3:04 am

Dinesh Goyal wrote:
August 3rd, 2020, 6:53 pm
I can’t see any 2016 Brovia. Who’s offering it?

Have seen two so far, Wine Cellarage in NY, evaporated in hours. Wine House in LA, still some available
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#67 Post by Doug Schulman » August 4th, 2020, 6:17 am

Dinesh Goyal wrote:
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I can’t see any 2016 Brovia. Who’s offering it?
Most of the offers I see are usually much later in the year than this.

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#68 Post by JohnP » August 5th, 2020, 8:58 am

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#69 Post by Andrew M » August 5th, 2020, 2:54 pm

Crazy. LV was available online for $150 a week ago and it lasted awhile.
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#70 Post by Tom Taylor » August 5th, 2020, 4:35 pm

Andrew M wrote:
August 5th, 2020, 2:54 pm
Crazy. LV was available online for $150 a week ago and it lasted awhile.


For 2016? Was it before the WA Piedmont issue came out? I can say this, wholesale is the same here in CT for 2016 as it was for 2015. Larner’s perfect score isn’t going to help. I know she’s not Galloni, but these day a perfect score from anyone moves the needle somewhat
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#71 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » August 5th, 2020, 9:29 pm

Wow, I picked up a mag of the 2015 Aleste in June for $247.

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#72 Post by JohnP » August 5th, 2020, 9:33 pm

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Wow, I picked up a mag of the 2015 Aleste in June for $247.
That was pre-WA scores (late July). It's amazing that in the genre of Italian wine, the WA's ratings still have more of an effect over retail pricing than AG's reviews. At least that's what I've noticed.
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#73 Post by AAgrawal » August 5th, 2020, 10:45 pm

Mostly out of a sense of morbid curiosity, would someone be able to tell me which 2016 barolo were scored highest in the recent WA scores? Not to inform my purchases... more to get a sense of whether wines I like will be more expensive now.
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#74 Post by Tom Taylor » August 6th, 2020, 2:38 am

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August 5th, 2020, 10:45 pm
Mostly out of a sense of morbid curiosity, would someone be able to tell me which 2016 barolo were scored highest in the recent WA scores? Not to inform my purchases... more to get a sense of whether wines I like will be more expensive now.

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#75 Post by AAgrawal » August 6th, 2020, 6:27 am

Tom Taylor wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 2:38 am
AAgrawal wrote:
August 5th, 2020, 10:45 pm
Mostly out of a sense of morbid curiosity, would someone be able to tell me which 2016 barolo were scored highest in the recent WA scores? Not to inform my purchases... more to get a sense of whether wines I like will be more expensive now.

Five perfect scores

Gaja Sperss
Sandrone Le Vigne
Bartolo Mascarello
Vietti Rocche
Burlotto Cannubi
Thanks! Seems interesting that different critics have rated different wines from the same producer higher than others. Like Antonio Galloni liked the Burlotto Monvigliero best instead of the Cannubi, and I think he liked the Vietti Ravera over the Rocche? Also, if I was reading it right, sounds like Wine Enthusiast (Kerin O'Keefe) liked the Burlotto Barolo more than one of the single vineyard bottlings. Seems like this rarely happens in other wine regions, where there is a clearer "top" bottling (or burgundy where there is a classification). My interpretation is that these are all probably excellent wines, and on any given day one may show better or worse than the other.
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#76 Post by Andrew M » August 6th, 2020, 8:38 am

Tom Taylor wrote:
August 5th, 2020, 4:35 pm
Andrew M wrote:
August 5th, 2020, 2:54 pm
Crazy. LV was available online for $150 a week ago and it lasted awhile.


For 2016? Was it before the WA Piedmont issue came out? I can say this, wholesale is the same here in CT for 2016 as it was for 2015. Larner’s perfect score isn’t going to help. I know she’s not Galloni, but these day a perfect score from anyone moves the needle somewhat
I didn't buy at that price (not because I thought it was too high, I just didn't feel any urgency) and I have a feeling I'm going to regret it. That was the last item on my wish list for this vintage.
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#77 Post by AndreasB » August 6th, 2020, 10:32 am

Sandrone's Le Vigne should also be very good in 2014, which you can find for a very fair price. Same with Vietti Ravera and Rocche. I consider buying these instead of their expensive 2016 brothers. I haven't tried any of them, but Galloni rated them rather high. Anyone tried these recently?
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