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#1 Post by Dinesh Goyal » February 11th, 2020, 6:09 am

A couple of places in the UK that I buy from will soon start offering en-primeur on Barolo 2016. As of right now I have my eyes on Vietti, Elio Grasso, Elvio Cogno, Francesco Rinaldi and Brovia. Roagna normally releases much later.

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#2 Post by Sh@n A » February 11th, 2020, 6:41 am

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February 11th, 2020, 6:09 am
As of right now I have my eyes on Vietti, Elio Grasso, Elvio Cogno, Francesco Rinaldi and Brovia. Roagna normally releases much later.
Which Vietti SVDs? All of them? [berserker.gif]
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#3 Post by Dinesh Goyal » February 11th, 2020, 6:58 am

Sh@n A wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 6:41 am
Dinesh Goyal wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 6:09 am
As of right now I have my eyes on Vietti, Elio Grasso, Elvio Cogno, Francesco Rinaldi and Brovia. Roagna normally releases much later.
Which Vietti SVDs? All of them? [berserker.gif]
Still need to decide but thinking about 2 of Rocche, Ravera and Brunate.

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#4 Post by Dav1d S@wyer » February 11th, 2020, 6:54 pm

Planning to buy Vajra and Vietti, at a minimum, plus some Barbaresco. Does anyone know of a reputable US retailer that does Barolo EP? I haven't gotten any inbounds from the usual retail suspects.
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#5 Post by David Baum » February 11th, 2020, 9:07 pm

I tasted through most of the 16 Scavino line up last week. Modern style but all very good and drinkable today (at least for now). The Fiasc was exceptional. I was able to order whatever I wanted
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#6 Post by AndreasB » February 12th, 2020, 6:02 am

My prioritized list would be:

Burlotto
Brovia
F. Rinaldi
G. Mascarello
Elio Grasso

And if possible some B. Mascarello.

Considering how the prices are rising, I suspect this will be the last great vintage, where I can afford the baroli of the above producers in volume.
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#7 Post by Sh@n A » February 12th, 2020, 7:31 am

Seeing some mighty increases for 2016. 2013 and 2015 Grasso freely available for $80. 2016 Grasso getting listed for $100.
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#8 Post by Martin Petersen » February 12th, 2020, 8:32 am

Same as usual, where I still have allocations (I hope). Not buying any en primeur though, only paying when wines are released.

Brovia
Canonica
B. Mascarello
G. Mascarello
G. Rinaldi
Burlotto
L. Pira

May pick up a case or two of Fratelli Alessandria and Poderi Colla also though as I have really liked what I have tasted from those two recently.

I buy producer over vintage, always. Pretty boring I know

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#9 Post by AndreasB » February 12th, 2020, 3:00 pm

Martin Petersen wrote:
February 12th, 2020, 8:32 am
Same as usual, where I still have allocations (I hope). Not buying any en primeur though, only paying when wines are released.

Brovia
Canonica
B. Mascarello
G. Mascarello
G. Rinaldi
Burlotto
L. Pira

May pick up a case or two of Fratelli Alessandria and Poderi Colla also though as I have really liked what I have tasted from those two recently.

I buy producer over vintage, always. Pretty boring I know
Good places to have allocations [cheers.gif]. I agree about Fratelli Alessandria, I think they are making excellent wine in Verduno these days.
I am a bit curious about Luigi Pira as their prices still seem very reasonable. I still have yet to taste any of their baroli though. What is your take on this estate?
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#10 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » February 12th, 2020, 5:57 pm

Any stateside retailers selling these en primeur?

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#11 Post by Martin Petersen » February 12th, 2020, 8:20 pm

AndreasB wrote:
February 12th, 2020, 3:00 pm
Martin Petersen wrote:
February 12th, 2020, 8:32 am
Same as usual, where I still have allocations (I hope). Not buying any en primeur though, only paying when wines are released.

Brovia
Canonica
B. Mascarello
G. Mascarello
G. Rinaldi
Burlotto
L. Pira

May pick up a case or two of Fratelli Alessandria and Poderi Colla also though as I have really liked what I have tasted from those two recently.

I buy producer over vintage, always. Pretty boring I know
Good places to have allocations [cheers.gif]. I agree about Fratelli Alessandria, I think they are making excellent wine in Verduno these days.
I am a bit curious about Luigi Pira as their prices still seem very reasonable. I still have yet to taste any of their baroli though. What is your take on this estate?
Andreas, just to make it clear: My allocations are almost only with importers, not at the wineries unfortunately.

Regarding the wines from Giampaolo Pira: I tasted the entire line-up with him end of December and will taste again early April. I was really impressed with his effort in 2016 and intend to buy all of Margheria, Marenca and Rionda. Giampaolo has changed/improved quite a bit over the last 15 years (which is the period I’ve visited him and tasted with him) and dialled back the use of oak a lot. Today he makes transparent wines with focus on elegance and I adored his Margheria big time. His wines in ‘13 was great, in ‘14 he did not produce his Cru’s but the resulting blend was very good, his ‘15 was also more elegant and less ripe than many others. His ‘barolo normale’ is for me now an excellent qpr as is his Langhe nebbiolo.
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#12 Post by Dinesh Goyal » February 13th, 2020, 2:01 am

Just saw an email from my source on 2016 Fratelli Alessandria EP.

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#13 Post by Mattstolz » February 13th, 2020, 3:37 am

if you can get them locked in today before any possible new tariff changes, this might be the year to really think about EP for Piedmont.

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#14 Post by Doug Schulman » February 13th, 2020, 9:11 am

Mattstolz wrote:
February 13th, 2020, 3:37 am
if you can get them locked in today before any possible new tariff changes, this might be the year to really think about EP for Piedmont.
They'd still get hit with any existing tariffs upon import, right? I don't understand how buying them now would help.

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#15 Post by D@ve D y r 0 f f » February 13th, 2020, 11:30 am

Doug Schulman wrote:
February 13th, 2020, 9:11 am
Mattstolz wrote:
February 13th, 2020, 3:37 am
if you can get them locked in today before any possible new tariff changes, this might be the year to really think about EP for Piedmont.
They'd still get hit with any existing tariffs upon import, right? I don't understand how buying them now would help.
The 25% extra tariff that was imposed in October excludes Italian wines. The threatened tariffs of up to 100% which are now under consideration include Italian wines. So if those new tariffs are imposed, it would be great to get your 2016 Barolo first. Of course, it has to actually clear US customs before the new tariff hits, so until then one or both parties to any sale are taking the risk.

Hopefully, of course, both the threatened new tariffs, and the recent 25% tariff, are rescinded completely and ASAP.

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#16 Post by Sh@n A » February 13th, 2020, 1:07 pm

The explanation given to me why Grasso prices listed at $100, is they marked them up proactively not certain of tariff situation. But even if tariffs don't come, they will try to keep the price and sell the vintage (which AG came out today and did his part to highlight is a strong vintage).
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#17 Post by Mattstolz » February 13th, 2020, 3:32 pm

Doug Schulman wrote:
February 13th, 2020, 9:11 am
Mattstolz wrote:
February 13th, 2020, 3:37 am
if you can get them locked in today before any possible new tariff changes, this might be the year to really think about EP for Piedmont.
They'd still get hit with any existing tariffs upon import, right? I don't understand how buying them now would help.
depends on the importer/retail. Total Wine's EP for Bordeaux purchased before the tariffs isn't getting a price bump for the second 50% (far as I can tell at least) because the price was locked in at purchase. as I understand it, this is kind of exactly the type of situation EP is designed to benefit buyers in. if you can lock your price now before a tariff goes into effect and secure the wine, then it gets hit with a 100% tariff, then the wine is still yours as the pre-tariff price. if, on the other hand, your retailer/importer won't guarantee that they won't change the price if a tariff goes into effect (AFTER you have already paid for EP) then to me, time to look somewhere else for your EP.

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#18 Post by Martin Petersen » February 14th, 2020, 12:06 am

Another dimension: Even if I do not subscribe to Vinous I noted that Gallonis score were released yesterday for the 2016 barolos. It’s interesting to see if those scores creates even higher prices for the highest rated wines (which I do not know the names os)?

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#19 Post by Tom Taylor » February 15th, 2020, 1:55 am

Martin Petersen wrote:
February 14th, 2020, 12:06 am
Another dimension: Even if I do not subscribe to Vinous I noted that Gallonis score were released yesterday for the 2016 barolos. It’s interesting to see if those scores creates even higher prices for the highest rated wines (which I do not know the names os)?


For the highest rated wines they absolutely will. Vietti Ravera, Chiara Boschis Via Nuova and both Burlotto Cannubi and Monvigliero all received perfect scores. Good luck finding any of those wines at reasonable prices
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#20 Post by Martin Petersen » February 15th, 2020, 3:25 am

Tom, thanks for the update. I’m quite happy to read those names/wines you list as Vietti & Boschis are not wines made in a style I like and Burlotto has been spoilt for buying since the first perfect score for 2013 Monvigliero.

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#21 Post by Andrew Gold » February 15th, 2020, 7:19 am

Martin Petersen wrote:
February 15th, 2020, 3:25 am
... Burlotto has been spoilt for buying since the first perfect score for 2013 Monvigliero.
I've rarely seen truer words on the boards! I used to easily be able to buy a case or more of all the Burlotto crus (unfortunately couldn't afford as much as was offered), starting with 2013 my allocation just keeps going down and the prices offered on the Monvig keeps going up.

I'm sure this is old news to lots of folks on the board, but man I hate reviews, especially ones with 100points attached.

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#22 Post by Nathan Smyth » February 15th, 2020, 12:14 pm

Dav1d S@wyer wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 6:54 pm
Does anyone know of a reputable US retailer that does Barolo EP? I haven't gotten any inbounds from the usual retail suspects.
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Of course, it has to actually clear US customs before the new tariff hits, so until then one or both parties to any sale are taking the risk.
That's way too much risk for any retailer I'm familiar with.

Maybe Total Wine or Costco are big enough to take a gamble like that [in conjunction with an importer like Southern W&S], but I can't imagine any corporate bean-counter approving the idea.

Unless they had a mole in the White House, like Jared Kushner, who could grease the skids for them [in which case I suppose they could attempt an "Hunt Brothers" takeover of the market].

But it's way too much risk for a normie without a mole.

Gotta have a mole.

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#23 Post by Nathan Smyth » February 15th, 2020, 12:38 pm

You know, the more I think about it, the more it feels like Southern W&S would be precisely the sort of outfit which would have the ethnic mafia ties with the Kushner Family Crime Syndicate necessary to pull off a hustle like that.

Either Southern, or Skurnik.

I wonder if they've been very quietly working on that angle all along?

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#24 Post by AndreasB » February 17th, 2020, 1:09 pm

Andrew Gold wrote:
February 15th, 2020, 7:19 am
Martin Petersen wrote:
February 15th, 2020, 3:25 am
... Burlotto has been spoilt for buying since the first perfect score for 2013 Monvigliero.
I've rarely seen truer words on the boards! I used to easily be able to buy a case or more of all the Burlotto crus (unfortunately couldn't afford as much as was offered), starting with 2013 my allocation just keeps going down and the prices offered on the Monvig keeps going up.

I'm sure this is old news to lots of folks on the board, but man I hate reviews, especially ones with 100points attached.

To be fair the prices of Burlotto is still relatively low for the quality. Obviously their different cru's are great, but also both their Langhe nebbiolo and both whites are gorgeous.

@Martin. Thanks for your response regarding Luigi Pira. I'm very tempted to buy into their 2016 lineup :). I have a 2013 Vigna Rionda but I don't plan to open that one anytime soon.
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#25 Post by Lorenzo F » March 28th, 2020, 3:22 pm

Hi guys, any new tasting ? Hope everyone is well .
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#26 Post by Markus S » March 28th, 2020, 6:26 pm

AndreasB wrote:
February 17th, 2020, 1:09 pm
To be fair the prices of Burlotto is still relatively low for the quality.
$300 a bottle is relatively low?
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#27 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » June 27th, 2020, 8:23 pm

Checking in on this thread. Any interesting purchases of late? Comments on pricing?

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#28 Post by David Baum » June 27th, 2020, 8:58 pm

David Baum wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 9:07 pm
I tasted through most of the 16 Scavino line up last week. Modern style but all very good and drinkable today (at least for now). The Fiasc was exceptional. I was able to order whatever I wanted

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My order arrived this week. Winex must ve done the same tasting as I as they brought in a bunch. My buddy asked Tristan why he ordered what he ordered and he said he ordered what he liked best. His two favorites were the same as mine. The Fiasc and the Monvigliero. I picked up some extra Fiasc from winex too

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#29 Post by Tom Taylor » June 28th, 2020, 3:34 am

Pretty quiet now. I expect more new releases will arrive after September
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#30 Post by Andrew M » June 28th, 2020, 10:05 am

FYI, E. pira via nuova at MacArthur for $99, half the price of K&L. 6 left.
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#31 Post by A Willi@mson » June 28th, 2020, 2:20 pm

I would really caution on using Galloni’s scores as the only input for what you buy. I really respect everything he’s done and his palate is pretty good (it took bravery to point out that Gaja, G Mascarello and Giacosa stopped making great wines) - but I still have never had a Vietti I would cross the street for (and that includes the Ravera 13 multiple times from 750 and mag): for my palate they over-Oaked in the 00s and as they dialled that back by 06/07/08 but now they over-extract.
Burlotto’s Monvigliero is another one - I own about 60 bottles plus dbl mags, of 06-12 all bought at $40/750ml. I can’t really understand the hype around these now - having drunk multiple bottles of the 13.

So: trust your own palate and stick to producers you know you like

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#32 Post by AndreasB » June 29th, 2020, 12:32 am

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I would really caution on using Galloni’s scores as the only input for what you buy. I really respect everything he’s done and his palate is pretty good (it took bravery to point out that Gaja, G Mascarello and Giacosa stopped making great wines) - but I still have never had a Vietti I would cross the street for (and that includes the Ravera 13 multiple times from 750 and mag): for my palate they over-Oaked in the 00s and as they dialled that back by 06/07/08 but now they over-extract.
Burlotto’s Monvigliero is another one - I own about 60 bottles plus dbl mags, of 06-12 all bought at $40/750ml. I can’t really understand the hype around these now - having drunk multiple bottles of the 13.

So: trust your own palate and stick to producers you know you like

I also respect that he actually takes a stand and not just go for the noncontroversial scores all the time. But I agree with you and it it is not all his scores I agree with too. In case of Vietti, it would seem that other critics scores the wine much lower, which only support your notion as well. However I like a wine with a personality in the sense that you can taste the producers specific style and the fact that it doesn't just taste like any barolo. And in that light I think Burlottos barolos are very special because they are true to a specific style. You may like or dislike that style of course. It is the same for B. Mascarello, Aldo Conterno and Elio Altare to name a few. A producer that also gains a lot of good scores from critics and on this board as well is Elio Grasso. Maybe i've just been unlucky but so far I don't understand all the praise. I had both his 2014 barolo and his gavarini chiniera 2013, both which I found to not deliver enough fruit for the present tannin(the 2013 was by far the better one).
I recently bought these:
Brovia Villero, Brea, Rocche and Normale.
Vietti Masseria (I can't as of now justify the price tag on the crus)
Francesco Rinaldi Crus
G. Rinaldi Tre tine and Langhe
Chiara Boschis Cannubi
Poderi Colla Roncaglie
Principiano Boscareto, Ravera and Normale
F. Alessandria Monvigliero and Normale
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#33 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » June 29th, 2020, 7:40 pm

I guess I don’t understand the feedback on Galloni and Vietti. He scored the 2013 Ravera 100 points but other critics had it in the very high nineties, which is consistent with his rating. Also, that wine isn’t even close to being ready to drink, for what it’s worth.

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#34 Post by Rob M » June 29th, 2020, 8:38 pm

Vietti is an interesting one. I think perhaps because the winery has changed style over time and was quite modern at a point in the late 90s (a 1998 Vietti Brunate someone brought to a blind tasting was a pretty good wine, but it wasn't even clear it was Nebbiolo) and has dialed that back, and/or because it's now owned by an American, it lacks the consistency and romance of some of the other wineries in Barolo that have really skyrocketed in price. In 2016, while I've hardly tasted the full lot of Barolo as many have yet to arrive physically, the Vietti wines are extraordinary. The 2016 Rocche is perhaps the best young wine I've ever tasted alongside the '10 G. Rinaldi Brunate. It's nuts and if you love Barolo you've got to try to find that wine, in my view. I've tasted it twice now and each time went out to buy more. At this point, all of the Vietti wines I've tasted in '16 (base Castiglione, Rocche, Ravera, Brunate) come across as traditional in style so I don't think that is a factor anymore. And the one older Vietti I've had, an 89 Rocche, was off the charts, so while there was that period in there where they went more modern than I'd like, they've been making excellent quality wines for a long time.

The only area I'd perhaps differ with AG on is I'd say I prefer the Rocche in 2016 vs. the Ravera, but we're splitting hairs there as he scored them 99 & 100 respectively.

While I don't fully understand it, I'm happy that the Vietti wines are available in the U.S. market at what I consider reasonable prices despite the quality and the scores, and despite very low production quantities (the '16 Rocche is all of 3,700 750ml bottles). All of the '16 Vietti have been available <$200 at retailers not gouging. It's clearly a different story in Europe if you're a restaurant or long standing buyer and can buy direct from wineries like Mascarello or Rinaldi at 50-60 EUR/btl or whatever it is now, as Vietti is to my understanding charging a similar price in Europe as they do in the U.S. But in the U.S. Vietti is actually very competitively priced.
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#35 Post by Kris Patten » June 29th, 2020, 9:57 pm

Our Elio Grasso landed so I'll be grabbing a 6-pack and mag of each. Will likely also grab Cogno, undecided on the rest.
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#36 Post by ChrisJames » June 30th, 2020, 11:23 am

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And the one older Vietti I've had, an 89 Rocche, was off the charts, so while there was that period in there where they went more modern than I'd like, they've been making excellent quality wines for a long time.
Alfredo Currado was one of the giants of traditional Barolo during the 60s, 70s, and 80s. It was his son, Luca Currado, who turned it to the modern style - perhaps still excellent in some circles, but not a producer I ever bought after that.

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#37 Post by A Willi@mson » June 30th, 2020, 11:51 am

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I guess I don’t understand the feedback on Galloni and Vietti. He scored the 2013 Ravera 100 points but other critics had it in the very high nineties, which is consistent with his rating. Also, that wine isn’t even close to being ready to drink, for what it’s worth.
Agreed that Vietti 13 (and 12 drunk at the same time) was infanticide, but I’ve had both of G Rinaldi’s 10/11/12/13s at a similar age and ditto those vintages of Pie Franco (and B Mascarello too now that I think about it). None of those came across as heavily over-extracted, dark, thick, or unrefreshing in the way Vietti’s did.
And before someone points out that I’m comparing this to wines most struggle to source - Sandrone’s Le Vigne 10 (also 100pt from Galloni) never showed as overextracted in its youth either.

Anyway, I’ve said my bit. Everyone has their own palate - trust yours.

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#38 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » June 30th, 2020, 1:59 pm

A Willi@mson wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 11:51 am
Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 7:40 pm
I guess I don’t understand the feedback on Galloni and Vietti. He scored the 2013 Ravera 100 points but other critics had it in the very high nineties, which is consistent with his rating. Also, that wine isn’t even close to being ready to drink, for what it’s worth.
Agreed that Vietti 13 (and 12 drunk at the same time) was infanticide, but I’ve had both of G Rinaldi’s 10/11/12/13s at a similar age and ditto those vintages of Pie Franco (and B Mascarello too now that I think about it). None of those came across as heavily over-extracted, dark, thick, or unrefreshing in the way Vietti’s did.
And before someone points out that I’m comparing this to wines most struggle to source - Sandrone’s Le Vigne 10 (also 100pt from Galloni) never showed as overextracted in its youth either.

Anyway, I’ve said my bit. Everyone has their own palate - trust yours.
Thanks, appreciate your perspective.

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#39 Post by Andrew M » June 30th, 2020, 5:42 pm

FYI, Wine.com has the 16 Vietti Rocche for the US low of $199 shipped to VA. With a $100 off code, stewardship and 11% off through RetailMeNot I was able to net two bottles for just under $140 each.
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Re: 2016 Barolo : what to buy in en-primeur

#40 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » June 30th, 2020, 5:51 pm

Andrew M wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 5:42 pm
FYI, Wine.com has the 16 Vietti Rocche for the US low of $199 shipped to VA. With a $100 off code, stewardship and 11% off through RetailMeNot I was able to net two bottles for just under $140 each.
Andrew, what was the code you used? Thanks!

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Re: 2016 Barolo : what to buy in en-primeur

#41 Post by Lorenzo F » July 1st, 2020, 3:59 am

AndreasB wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 12:32 am
A Willi@mson wrote:
June 28th, 2020, 2:20 pm
I would really caution on using Galloni’s scores as the only input for what you buy. I really respect everything he’s done and his palate is pretty good (it took bravery to point out that Gaja, G Mascarello and Giacosa stopped making great wines) - but I still have never had a Vietti I would cross the street for (and that includes the Ravera 13 multiple times from 750 and mag): for my palate they over-Oaked in the 00s and as they dialled that back by 06/07/08 but now they over-extract.
Burlotto’s Monvigliero is another one - I own about 60 bottles plus dbl mags, of 06-12 all bought at $40/750ml. I can’t really understand the hype around these now - having drunk multiple bottles of the 13.

So: trust your own palate and stick to producers you know you like

I also respect that he actually takes a stand and not just go for the noncontroversial scores all the time. But I agree with you and it it is not all his scores I agree with too. In case of Vietti, it would seem that other critics scores the wine much lower, which only support your notion as well. However I like a wine with a personality in the sense that you can taste the producers specific style and the fact that it doesn't just taste like any barolo. And in that light I think Burlottos barolos are very special because they are true to a specific style. You may like or dislike that style of course. It is the same for B. Mascarello, Aldo Conterno and Elio Altare to name a few. A producer that also gains a lot of good scores from critics and on this board as well is Elio Grasso. Maybe i've just been unlucky but so far I don't understand all the praise. I had both his 2014 barolo and his gavarini chiniera 2013, both which I found to not deliver enough fruit for the present tannin(the 2013 was by far the better one).
I recently bought these:
Brovia Villero, Brea, Rocche and Normale.
Vietti Masseria (I can't as of now justify the price tag on the crus)
Francesco Rinaldi Crus
G. Rinaldi Tre tine and Langhe
Chiara Boschis Cannubi
Poderi Colla Roncaglie
Principiano Boscareto, Ravera and Normale
F. Alessandria Monvigliero and Normale
Vietti Castiglione
I guess it's a given that at the end is down to personal taste . For me 2016 burlotto monvigliero is the best he's ever produced and nothing short than majestic. Cannubi as well is an amazing wine . Luigi pira for me is another producer that has done a very good job in this vintage as well and it's not talked about a lot , defo on the raise together with Cogno and Giovanni rosso .also wanted to point out the bashed 2014 vintage is turning out to be not as bad as many thought giacosa with the riserva , conterno with monfortino ,Massolino with vigna rionda and cogno with vigna Elena are the proof of that .
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Re: 2016 Barolo : what to buy in en-primeur

#42 Post by JohnP » July 1st, 2020, 7:03 am

I just picked up (on pre-release) a few 16' E. Pira Cannubi and Via Nuova. Good prices, great reviews, made sense.
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