TN: Schloss Lieser Riesling Kabinett 'Goldtröpfchen' 2018

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Re: TN: Schloss Lieser Riesling Kabinett 'Goldtröpfchen' 2018

#51 Post by David Strange » February 4th, 2020, 7:44 pm

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Thanks for the really nice note David. I’m a big fan of the Schloss Lieser wines. In some past vintages I’ve found the kabinett to tend toward spatlese (but they’ve been wonderful nonetheless) but I agree that the ‘18 kabinett are proper kabinett. There is a 2018 Graacher Domprobst Kabinett Auktion that I was really enamored with.
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I would have lovely to try one of his auction Kabinett! From such a good vineyard too - it must have been electric sex pants! It's good that more and more people are making auction Kabinetts as it raises the profile of the whole style of wine.

I agree hiss wines are usually on the ripe side, but I had no problem with the level of sugar in this. From such a warm vineyard as well! I haven't tried his Auslese Goldtröpfchen, but I bet it's a crazy roller-coaster ride of ripeness and acidity. That, or the Spatlese, is the kind of thing is instantly blow an unexpected windfall of cash on. Feel free to drop by if I ever get one! [drinkers.gif]

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Re: TN: Schloss Lieser Riesling Kabinett 'Goldtröpfchen' 2018

#52 Post by dvansteenderen » February 5th, 2020, 12:16 am

2018 Schloss Lieser Graacher Domprobst Riesling Kabinett Auction is indeed a great wine. Bought quite a few, on Magnum as well.
The non-Auction single vineyard Schloss Lieser Kabinetts are amazing as well. Especially Doctor; Piesporter Goldtröpfchen (as you described) and the Graacher Himmelreich should not be overlooked as well...
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Re: TN: Schloss Lieser Riesling Kabinett 'Goldtröpfchen' 2018

#53 Post by Howard Cooper » February 5th, 2020, 12:49 am

Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
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Howard Cooper wrote:
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Now I want a Kabinett. Have had plenty of good Kabinett but need to find a really good Kabinett and one that's ready for drinking now (most of mine are 2015 and 2016 vintage).
Just try a 2015 Kabinett from Zilliken or Reinhold Haart. Wow wines.
Have them but afraid they still may be shut down/not ready.
They were not shut down a few months ago. As for ready, I like German wines both young and older.
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Re: TN: Schloss Lieser Riesling Kabinett 'Goldtröpfchen' 2018

#54 Post by David Strange » February 5th, 2020, 12:59 am

Just a little heads up. If you are desperate to get some Goldtropfchen at any Pradikat level (and an awful lot more), and you don't mind importing from the UK, howardripley.com has an embarrassment of riches.

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Re: TN: Schloss Lieser Riesling Kabinett 'Goldtröpfchen' 2018

#55 Post by Charlie Gierling » February 5th, 2020, 1:41 am

David Strange wrote:
February 4th, 2020, 7:44 pm
It's good that more and more people are making auction Kabinetts as it raises the profile of the whole style of wine.
There is an historical part here too: in the good old days, the auctions were about "Naturwein", meening wine with no sugar added. With the new law from 1971, these wines where called Prädikatsweine, with Kabinettt beehing the lowest level (of sugar in the juice). So a Kabinett is the nearest thing to a not-so-sweet Naturwein.
Usually auction wines in Trier are very sweet, but Egon Müller has his auction Kabinett (Alte Reben) less sweet than a typical nowadays Kabinett, so it is even nearer to a Naturwein and he sells 1200 bottles, which corresponds more or less to a fuder. In the old days they auctioned whole fuders.
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Re: TN: Schloss Lieser Riesling Kabinett 'Goldtröpfchen' 2018

#56 Post by David Strange » February 5th, 2020, 1:50 am

Charlie Gierling wrote:
February 5th, 2020, 1:41 am
David Strange wrote:
February 4th, 2020, 7:44 pm
It's good that more and more people are making auction Kabinetts as it raises the profile of the whole style of wine.
There is an historical part here too: in the good old days, the auctions were about "Naturwein", meening wine with no sugar added. With the new law from 1971, these wines where called Prädikatsweine, with Kabinettt beehing the lowest level (of sugar in the juice). So a Kabinett is the nearest thing to a not-so-sweet Naturwein.
Usually auction wines in Trier are very sweet, but Egon Müller has his auction Kabinett (Alte Reben) less sweet than a typical nowadays Kabinett, so it is even nearer to a Naturwein and he sells 1200 bottles, which corresponds more or less to a fuder. In the old days they auctioned whole fuders.
Thanks for the information, Charlie! I've had quite a few auction Kabinetts and it's the screaming acidity I like. I've damaged my stomach (too many overdoses [cry.gif]) so they really hurt; but as the Germans say, "Every pleasure end with a caning"!
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Re: TN: Schloss Lieser Riesling Kabinett 'Goldtröpfchen' 2018

#57 Post by dcornutt » February 5th, 2020, 2:16 am

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Schloss Lieser is lovely and your note sublime.

Thank you for posting, old bean.
+1 Thanks Davy. I love Schloss Lieser as a producer.
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Re: TN: Schloss Lieser Riesling Kabinett 'Goldtröpfchen' 2018

#58 Post by David Strange » February 5th, 2020, 2:40 am

dcornutt wrote:
February 5th, 2020, 2:16 am
Corey N. wrote:
February 3rd, 2020, 8:05 am
Schloss Lieser is lovely and your note sublime.

Thank you for posting, old bean.
+1 Thanks Davy. I love Schloss Lieser as a producer.
Cheers, Don! I really feel that wines like this are the reason we try different wines from around the world. We hope we will encounter something transcendent like this. The Editor and had a bottle of Egon 'Yoda' Muller Scharzhofberger Kabinett 2001 a week ago, and that was bloody marvelous, but this thrashed it's arse until it bled. Words are not really enough; if you are passing through Winchester any time soon, Don, I'll pop one and you can experience! [drinkers.gif]
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#59 Post by Sarah Kirschbaum » February 5th, 2020, 2:40 pm

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Young guy, excellent wines, worked with Julian Haart. We have drunk through 2 x 18 bottle cases of a mix of 16-18s.
But they don't seem to exist anywhere one can actually buy them!

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Re: TN: Schloss Lieser Riesling Kabinett 'Goldtröpfchen' 2018

#60 Post by rob klafter » February 5th, 2020, 3:51 pm

dcornutt wrote:
February 5th, 2020, 2:16 am
Corey N. wrote:
February 3rd, 2020, 8:05 am
Schloss Lieser is lovely and your note sublime.

Thank you for posting, old bean.
+1 Thanks Davy. I love Schloss Lieser as a producer.

+2 good to see you posting
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Re: TN: Schloss Lieser Riesling Kabinett 'Goldtröpfchen' 2018

#61 Post by David Strange » February 5th, 2020, 3:55 pm

rob klafter wrote:
February 5th, 2020, 3:51 pm
dcornutt wrote:
February 5th, 2020, 2:16 am
Corey N. wrote:
February 3rd, 2020, 8:05 am
Schloss Lieser is lovely and your note sublime.

Thank you for posting, old bean.
+1 Thanks Davy. I love Schloss Lieser as a producer.

+2 good to see you posting
My pleasure, Rob! I'm always happy to share good tips around! (Especially now I've got six bottles for myself - best buy I've made in years! ;)
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Re: TN: Schloss Lieser Riesling Kabinett 'Goldtröpfchen' 2018

#62 Post by AlexS » February 5th, 2020, 6:08 pm

What a great thread, actually makes me thirsty for some Riesling!
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Re: TN: Schloss Lieser Riesling Kabinett 'Goldtröpfchen' 2018

#63 Post by Russell Faulkner » February 5th, 2020, 9:34 pm

Sarah Kirschbaum wrote:
February 5th, 2020, 2:40 pm
Russell Faulkner wrote:
February 4th, 2020, 2:24 am
Young guy, excellent wines, worked with Julian Haart. We have drunk through 2 x 18 bottle cases of a mix of 16-18s.
But they don't seem to exist anywhere one can actually buy them!
Well I just email Max and he sends them to me. A joy of living in the EU! :)

Mention him to your friendly importer!

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