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#1 Post by Herwig Janssen » December 19th, 2019, 2:11 am

We had a blind tasting yesterday : 12 premier cru red wines from 2008 . A couple of wines were ok but overall , this is not good , many poor bottles from expensive domaines .
We voted for our top 3 ( 10 tasters ) and were pretty consistent :
first place : Nuits St Georges les Cailles from Lucien Le Moine
second place : Perrot Minot Chambolle Ultra ( la combe d'Orveau )
third place : Meo Camuzet Vosne Romanee les Chaumes .
These 3 wines were decent , scoring in the low nineties .
major disappointment : Roumier Chambolle Cras , Volnay Chevrets H Boillot and Volnay Fremiets Nicolas Rossignol . These 3 wines were borderline undrinkable , with annoying dominating acidities .
The Rouget Vosne Beaux Monts was overripe with a smell of wet socks . The Mugnier NSG Clos de la Marechale was hard , tight and lacked sweetness .
Decent wines but not exciting : NSG La Richmone Perrot Minot and NSG les St Georges from Thibault Liger Belair .
Overall , this vintage lacks ripeness , has too much acidity and annoying tannins . I don't know if this ever will change .

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#2 Post by PCLIN » December 19th, 2019, 2:42 am

Thanks for more data points.

Hmmm...interesting and also not surprising.

Best wine I had for ‘08 vintage was Roty Charmes Chambertin, so good that I bought multiple vintages soon after.
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#3 Post by Laurent Gibet » December 19th, 2019, 3:18 am

Herwig Janssen wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 2:11 am
We had a blind tasting yesterday : 12 premier cru red wines from 2008 . A couple of wines were ok but overall , this is not good , many poor bottles from expensive domaines .
We voted for our top 3 ( 10 tasters ) and were pretty consistent :
first place : Nuits St Georges les Cailles from Lucien Le Moine
second place : Perrot Minot Chambolle Ultra ( la combe d'Orveau )
third place : Meo Camuzet Vosne Romanee les Chaumes .
These 3 wines were decent , scoring in the low nineties .
major disappointment : Roumier Chambolle Cras , Volnay Chevrets H Boillot and Volnay Fremiets Nicolas Rossignol . These 3 wines were borderline undrinkable , with annoying dominating acidities .
The Rouget Vosne Beaux Monts was overripe with a smell of wet socks . The Mugnier NSG Clos de la Marechale was hard , tight and lacked sweetness .
Decent wines but not exciting : NSG La Richmone Perrot Minot and NSG les St Georges from Thibault Liger Belair .
Overall , this vintage lacks ripeness , has too much acidity and annoying tannins . I don't know if this ever will change .
Thank you …

For me recently, some satisfactions (excellent - 17/20 - to great - 18/20) :
Rousseau Chambertin 2008
Rousseau Mazy-Chambertin 2008
Rousseau Clos des Ruchottes 2008
Rousseau Clos St-Jacques 2008
Clos de l'Arlot 2008
Domaine de l'Arlot Vosne Suchots 2008
Duband Vosne-Romanée 2008
Joseph Roty Charmes-Chambertin 2008
Roumier Chambolle Combottes 2008
Prieuré-Roch Clos Goillotte 2008


I also liked the very good Bruno Clair Marsannay Grasses Têtes 2008 and NSG Chevillon Chaignots 2008 (both 16/20).

By the cask in 2009 … Domaine de la Romanée-Conti 2008 … stunning wines … (Romanée-Conti 2008 rated 19/20) :

Domaine de la Romanée-Conti : Vosne-Romanée 1er Cru « Duvault-Blochet » 2008 (sur fût)
Notes : DS16 - PC(17+) - LG16,5 - MF17 - MS16,5/17 . Note moyenne : 16,7
PC : D'emblée une grande race aromatique ; bouche un peu plus dure et verte que les grands crus, qui paradoxalement renforce encore la séduction du vin.
LG : Beau corps soyeux et persistant, sur des goûts délicats (rafle, framboise, poivre, rose).
MF : Belles senteurs rappelant les roses anciennes et les épices ; bouche fine et élégante, charmante entrée en matière...

Domaine de la Romanée-Conti : Echézeaux Grand Cru 2008 (sur fût)
Notes : DS16,5/17 - PC(17/17,5) - LG16,5/17 - MF17 - MS17/17,5 . Note moyenne : 17
PC : moelleux et aérien, plus mûr et plus coloré que la cuvée Duvault-Blochet.
MF : Nez profond, intensément floral (pivoine, rose) ; bouche à la fois fraîche, mûre et dotée d'une belle texture soyeuse.

Domaine de la Romanée-Conti : Grands Echézeaux Grand Cru 2008 (sur fût)
Notes : DS17,5+ - PC(17) - LG17+ - MF(16,5/17) - MS17. Note moyenne : 17,1
PC : profond, puissant, sur le noyau, finale tannique un peu moins élégante.
MF : vin viril, profond, ancré dans son sol ; finale sur le graphite, plus revêche à ce stade...

Domaine de la Romanée-Conti : Romanée Saint-Vivant Grand Cru 2008 (sur fût)
Notes : DS(17,5+) - PC(18/18,5) - LG17,5 - MF(18) - MS18,5. Note moyenne : 17,9
PC : grande pulpe et grande délicatesse, avec malgré tout un je ne sais quoi de sauvage dans le fruit.
MF : Finesse superlative, superbe caractère fruité, dynamique et frais ; l'ensemble ne paraît pourtant pas encore tout à fait libéré...grand avenir assuré!!

Domaine de la Romanée-Conti : Richebourg Grand Cru 2008 (sur fût)
Notes : DS18 - PC(18) - LG17,5/18 - MF(17,5/18) - MS18 . Note moyenne : 17,9
PC : profil plus carré que la Saint-Vivant, comme souvent, richesse de fruit plus terrienne, mais on retrouve la tonicité et l'élan remarquable du millésime.
LG : logiquement plus cogneur avec beaucoup d'éclat fruité.
MF : Regain de virilité sans toutefois manquer de finesse, beaucoup de poids et de profondeur.

Domaine de la Romanée-Conti : La Tâche Grand Cru 2008 (sur fût)
Notes : DS18,5 - PC(18,5) - LG18,5 - MF(18+) - MS18,5 . Note moyenne : 18,4
PC : grande couleur, grand nez profond, "ferrugineux", monumentalité allié à un délié de corps émouvant. Décidément ce millésime m'impressionne !
LG : Boisé un peu plus présent. Enorme puissance corsée. Un vin plus "nocturne", qui surfe sur un style martial.
MF : Sensation de se trouver devant un colosse à la délicatesse inouie! Un vin ambivalent, réellement impressionnant !

Domaine de la Romanée-Conti : La Romanée-Conti Grand Cru 2008 (sur fût)
Notes : DS19 - PC(19/19,5) - LG19 - MF(19) - MS19 . Note moyenne : 19,1
PC : Absolu de délicatesse. Les tannins disparaissent, pourtant le vin est le plus présent qui soit. Apothéose de ce grand tour de cave, dans un millésime enthousiasmant par sa tonicité, sa séduction toute en fraîcheur, la netteté des identités de chaque cru, déjà parfaitement affirmées.
LG : Notes infiniment distinguées de grand pinot noir (rose, cacao, prune, poivre, réglisse en séduisante concorde aromatique). Finesse compacte rare, sérénité, émotion (même si l'on ne goûte pas à l'aveugle).
MF : Grande subtilité, grand fruit, grande puissance...que dire que l'on a vraiment la sensation de rencontrer un vin complet, frôlant la perfection tant formelle que spirituelle!...
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#4 Post by Peter Hirsch » December 19th, 2019, 3:26 am

My '08s are gonna rest until 2033, even the 1ers. These high acid vintages (like 1996) really need time IMHO, but I do wonder if they ever really become great as a vintage. Individual wines can be great, just never sure the overall will get there.

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#5 Post by joz€f p1nxten » December 19th, 2019, 5:08 am

Herwig Janssen wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 2:11 am
We had a blind tasting yesterday : 12 premier cru red wines from 2008 . A couple of wines were ok but overall , this is not good , many poor bottles from expensive domaines .
We voted for our top 3 ( 10 tasters ) and were pretty consistent :
first place : Nuits St Georges les Cailles from Lucien Le Moine
second place : Perrot Minot Chambolle Ultra ( la combe d'Orveau )
third place : Meo Camuzet Vosne Romanee les Chaumes .
These 3 wines were decent , scoring in the low nineties .
major disappointment : Roumier Chambolle Cras , Volnay Chevrets H Boillot and Volnay Fremiets Nicolas Rossignol . These 3 wines were borderline undrinkable , with annoying dominating acidities .
The Rouget Vosne Beaux Monts was overripe with a smell of wet socks . The Mugnier NSG Clos de la Marechale was hard , tight and lacked sweetness .
Decent wines but not exciting : NSG La Richmone Perrot Minot and NSG les St Georges from Thibault Liger Belair .
Overall , this vintage lacks ripeness , has too much acidity and annoying tannins . I don't know if this ever will change .
Thank you Herwig, I think there are some good wines at GC level (had some good ones from Corton), but agree on your assessment. The wines are generally a bit too tart for my palate, although with food, they are ok.
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#6 Post by Fred C » December 19th, 2019, 5:09 am

Agreed. Rousseau and Dujac very good in 08.

08 Hudelot Noellat Chambolle-Musigny was also very good last week after being open for 30 minutes with the fruit and palate filling out the initial thinness.
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#7 Post by Neal.Mollen » December 19th, 2019, 5:14 am

Interesting. I've had the Clos de la Marechale several times out of 375s and they have been reasonably enjoyable. Not up to the vineyard's reputation perhaps but fairly charming.
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#8 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » December 19th, 2019, 5:53 am

I’ve had a few nice 08s lately, Lambrays, Angerville Champans and a few others. I prefer 07 but I have enjoyed the 08s I’ve had. Agree that it can use more time.

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#9 Post by Fred Bower » December 19th, 2019, 6:08 am

Thanks for the notes and impressions. I didn't go long on '08, mostly due to market availability intersected with budget. I guess that's a fortunate circumstance. I did get the Roumier Cras...will let those sit.

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#10 Post by scamhi » December 19th, 2019, 6:14 am

Robert Chevillon did very well in 2008.
I also have the Roumier Cras and not touching them for a while
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#11 Post by Markus S » December 19th, 2019, 6:25 am

Herwig Janssen wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 2:11 am
Overall , this vintage lacks ripeness , has too much acidity and annoying tannins . I don't know if this ever will change .
Spot on, but I think there's a place for them and do believe they will keep...not sure if they'll transform.
If it's sweetness you want, look to the next year (2009) and you can have it in spades.
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#12 Post by Greg K » December 19th, 2019, 6:38 am

Interesting. I’ve had a very different experience with 08, but with little overlap on producers. I’ve loved what Hudelot Noellat did in 08, Chevillon did very well (as Suzanne noted), I’ve had some very good Trapet and Fourrier recently as well as a pretty good Chezeaux. The 08 Arnoux Suchot certainly did not lack ripe fruit either.
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#13 Post by Robert Pavlovich » December 19th, 2019, 6:54 am

2008 is a vintage a lot of burgundians love. Though it’s definitely an outlier in this super ripe era, more of a throwback, classic year where it pays to move up to Grand Cru and good 1ers. I’d think a lot of the wines need more time. I’m not sure what a good comp is for the 80’s and 90’s, but look at how nicely some of those vintages are drinking now, a full decade or two older.

Early, early days for that Roumier. If you don’t catch them early or if it’s not an early vintage (like 07’) they need a lot of time.

On 08’ reds a couple from Gevrey have stood out to me, one recent and another from a few years back, but they both showed this electric energy that’s not so easy to find. The recent one was an 08’ Fourrier 1er Cherbaudes, and an 08’ Jadot CSJ from a few years back. Both with plenty of medium plus acidity and some mild green notes, but also brilliant, just ripe red fruit.

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#14 Post by m. ristev » December 19th, 2019, 7:00 am

i happen to like this vintage a lot but have not tasted any of the wines op mentioned. the wines from simon bize are fantastic in 2008.
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#15 Post by Laurent Gibet » December 19th, 2019, 7:21 am

By the cask, in 2009, very good satisfaction (and potential) too with :
Gouges 2008 (NSG Les St-Georges)
Louis-Michel Liger-Bélair 2008 (Echézeaux, La Romanée)
Domaine de l'Arlot Romanée-St-Vivant 2008

About Rouget, by the cask :
Domaine Emmanuel Rouget Vosne-Romanée 1er Cru « Les Beaumonts » 2008
Very oaky (but dense and clean).

Echézeaux Grand Cru 2008 and Vosne-Romanée 1er Cru « Cros Parantoux » 2008 ok but not at an (expected ?) summit.
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#16 Post by Nathan V. » December 19th, 2019, 7:49 am

scamhi wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 6:14 am
Robert Chevillon did very well in 2008.
I also have the Roumier Cras and not touching them for a while
In the last couple years from the 2008 vintage I've had a spectacular bottle of Mugneret-Gibourg Echezeaux, excellent bottles of Chevillon Cailles and Esmonin Clos St. Jacques, very good Louis Boillot Evocelles (not 1er) and Mugneret-Gibourg Vosne but disappointing, in the way the OP described, Pavelot Dominode.
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#17 Post by Paul Jaouen » December 19th, 2019, 7:56 am

Robert Pavlovich wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 6:54 am
2008 is a vintage a lot of burgundians love. Though it’s definitely an outlier in this super ripe era, more of a throwback, classic year where it pays to move up to Grand Cru and good 1ers. I’d think a lot of the wines need more time. I’m not sure what a good comp is for the 80’s and 90’s, but look at how nicely some of those vintages are drinking now, a full decade or two older.
Totally agree. Many Burgundians prefer over 2009. I tasted many on release and really liked much of what I tasted. This is not an early drinking vintage.
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#18 Post by William Kelley » December 19th, 2019, 8:17 am

Robert Pavlovich wrote:
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I’m not sure what a good comp is for the 80’s and 90’s, but look at how nicely some of those vintages are drinking now, a full decade or two older.
I think 1996 is the obvious analogy, and controversial among Burgundy lovers for the same reason. Malic acid levels were very high in both vintages. It was difficult to get malolactic fermentation to complete in some wines, and producers sometimes had to leave wines unprotected without sulfur for quite a long time, trying to get the malolactic fermentation to go through—sometimes heating the cellars, or intervening in other ways to encourage malo, which can also tire out young wines. I think that this may account for the combination of slightly tired, dried out (and, for me, oddly ferric, but not sure how translatable that descriptor is) fruit combined with very bracing, youthfully acid-driven structure that tends to mark out the less successful red wines in both the 1996 and the 2008 vintages.

There certainly are some lovely 2008s, as in 1996, but 2008 is not a vintage I find very approachable yet for the most interesting wines; and among recent higher-acid red Burgundy vintages I have a preference for 2013, which is more charming.
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#19 Post by William Kelley » December 19th, 2019, 8:26 am

BTW, Herwig, if I may be permitted a digression issuing from that magnum of 2008 Guffens-Heynen you shared in Beaune, I was discussing the 2008 vintage with Jean-Marie Guffens a few weeks ago, and he mentioned it is a white vintage that he doesn't always appreciate, precisely because of the lactic quality some of the wines took on once the high levels of malic acid were converted. Clearly, some of even the successful reds have quite a lactic quality in the 2008 vintage, too.
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#20 Post by Markus S » December 19th, 2019, 9:29 am

William Kelley wrote:
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... because of the lactic quality some of the wines took on once the high levels of malic acid were converted. Clearly, some of even the successful reds have quite a lactic quality in the 2008 vintage, too.
Interesting, because I've tasted that and found it odd.
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#21 Post by Herwig Janssen » December 19th, 2019, 9:33 am

Thanks William , that was a fun night . Agree with you and with Peter H.’s comments .
I hope it will be good 25 years from now .
Please note that we did not dislike all the wines and did not taste any grand cru’s

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#22 Post by Robert Sand » December 19th, 2019, 11:42 am

I had a Vosne 1er Cru 2008 recently (Lamarche), barely any fruit, only acidity, sharp, unenjoyable -
no idea if there is anything to develope and evolve - ?

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#23 Post by Sanjay Nandurkar » December 19th, 2019, 12:15 pm

Its an high acidic vintage- often screeching acidities in the village vines. At release I tasted many wines Village and 1er cru and found them lacking in fruit and overwhelming acidity. However, I did a comprehensive tasting of Rousseau and found them to be very attractive. Purchased quite a few cases at very reasonable prices.
Opened a 2008 Rousseau Clos de Beze two weeks ago. Looked very good. Had a pretty good de Courcel Clos de Epenots and Ruigens and Voillot Epenots of late .

last year we did a 2008 vintage 10 year retrospective. All GCs. The standout wines were from Rousseau ( Chambertin, clos de Beze, Ruchottes) , Mugneret Gibourg (Ruchottes, Echezeaux), Hudelot Noellat RSV.

Its a year to buy very selectively.

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#24 Post by C. Mc Cart » December 19th, 2019, 6:21 pm

Have only opened a couple '08's, Bellene 1er VR Petit Monts & a Dujac village MSD. The Bellene wasn't memorable, but the Dujac was beautiful and had suitable ripeness & balance. Both opened in 2017.
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#25 Post by Ian S » December 19th, 2019, 7:34 pm

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#26 Post by Brent S » December 19th, 2019, 10:03 pm

Had a very disappointing Fourier clos st Jacques Vv last week. Kept waiting for it to soften up. It didn’t. Even the next day.
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#27 Post by Victor Hong » December 19th, 2019, 10:39 pm

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#28 Post by Keith Levenberg » December 20th, 2019, 11:42 am

Fourrier's 2008s weren't very good on release and I'd have to imagine they're not gonna be any better now. But there were other '08s that seemed real nice on release that advanced in an unfriendly way on a much faster track than I would have expected. It does have me worried. 1996 has always seemed like the closest precedent, for better or for worse.

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#29 Post by John Gilman » December 21st, 2019, 7:44 am

Hi Herwig,

Did you folks decant your 2008s or pour them straight from the bottles?

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#30 Post by jprusack » December 21st, 2019, 11:30 am

i recently bought some lignier 2008 1er morey saint denis bottles on the cheap. cellartracker reviews say theyre amazing and score it maybe 93.5.

i trust you people more but are cellartracker reviews generally to be believed?

while we're at it, has anyone had any morey saint denis 1er from 2008?
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#31 Post by john stimson » December 21st, 2019, 11:40 am

This report is a little concerning, as I bought a fair amount of 2008 (prices were good and I liked many of the wines)--most of which is still sitting. However my experience with what wines I've had has been almost universally positive (Lambrays, Drouhin Amoureuses, various Hudelot-Noellat, Chevillon, Bize). As usual, I would bring up the fact that, for a number of vintages, 11 years of age can be a problematic time. And I also wonder, as John asked, what prep the wines got.

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#32 Post by Claus Jeppesen » December 21st, 2019, 11:52 am

Keith Levenberg wrote:
December 20th, 2019, 11:42 am
Fourrier's 2008s weren't very good on release and I'd have to imagine they're not gonna be any better now. But there were other '08s that seemed real nice on release that advanced in an unfriendly way on a much faster track than I would have expected. It does have me worried. 1996 has always seemed like the closest precedent, for better or for worse.
The Gevrey VV was very delicious at release and a few years later
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#33 Post by Greg K » December 21st, 2019, 1:03 pm

Claus Jeppesen wrote:
December 21st, 2019, 11:52 am
Keith Levenberg wrote:
December 20th, 2019, 11:42 am
Fourrier's 2008s weren't very good on release and I'd have to imagine they're not gonna be any better now. But there were other '08s that seemed real nice on release that advanced in an unfriendly way on a much faster track than I would have expected. It does have me worried. 1996 has always seemed like the closest precedent, for better or for worse.
The Gevrey VV was very delicious at release and a few years later
Have to retaste now
Same. I think Fourrier is just very divisive at this point.
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#34 Post by Herwig Janssen » December 21st, 2019, 11:56 pm

Pop and pour For some , others opened the wine much earlier ( to taste if the wine was not corcked etc )

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#35 Post by john stimson » December 22nd, 2019, 10:13 am

Thanks, Herwig. There will likely be a lot of disagreement about this, but I would likely have opened and probably double decanted 2-3 hours ahead for red burg of this age for my own purposes. Who knows if the wines would have shown differently, but your information is helpful to me in assessing your notes.

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#36 Post by Neal.Mollen » December 22nd, 2019, 10:43 am

So funny; google asks if I want this thread translated every time I open it, and it is the ONLY thread it asks me that question. Weird, huh?
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#37 Post by Richard T r i m p i » December 22nd, 2019, 1:42 pm

2008 Robert Chevillon NSG Pruliers 1er Cru - Yes it's relatively tight and very bright but there's a lot to like here. Earth, mild spice with appealing red fruit. Tannins need air and time. Probably best to ignore it for 5+ years and it should easily last that and then some.

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#38 Post by Scott Brunson » December 22nd, 2019, 1:47 pm

We've always loved '08s--terroir vintage IMO.
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#39 Post by Robert Sand » December 23rd, 2019, 1:04 am

Scott Brunson wrote:
December 22nd, 2019, 1:47 pm
We've always loved '08s--terroir vintage IMO.
More an acid vintage imo, the terroir often hidden behind shrill acidity.
Not a great fan, acidity do not get less with age (like tannins).
But there are exceptions where I think it eventually will work out well.

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#40 Post by A G Aguirre » December 23rd, 2019, 2:06 am

Not 1er Cru but opened a 2008 Bize Savigny Les Beaune last night. Tough, tough wine. So much acid and maybe even harsh tannin? Some underripe red fruit aspects but the structure was so dominant. I don’t have much experience but certainly unlike any Burgundy I’ve had.
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#41 Post by Peter Chiu » December 23rd, 2019, 5:19 am

Meadows reported 2008 red is an more acid- driven vintage....they are more enjoyable while their fruits were still there.
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#42 Post by maureen nelson » December 23rd, 2019, 7:39 am

Plenty of fruit left in 08s from good producers. Don’t confuse sleeping fruit with missing fruit. I have opened numerous 08s in the past year and all were various degrees of delicious. True, I like 96s. But if you don’t like acid in your pinots, drink CA pinot not burgundy.


Plus Fourrier Cherbaudes terrific upon release. Haven’t opened one since however as I suspect they are shut down.

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#43 Post by Peter Chiu » December 23rd, 2019, 8:32 am

Balance is the key for aging......red; and also understand that sleeping fruit should not be confused with missing fruit [winner.gif] .

As always - when to open a bottle red burgundy is the key for your own preference how to enjoy your bottle of wine.

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#44 Post by Robert Sand » December 23rd, 2019, 9:31 am

maureen nelson wrote:
December 23rd, 2019, 7:39 am
Plenty of fruit left in 08s from good producers. Don’t confuse sleeping fruit with missing fruit. I have opened numerous 08s in the past year and all were various degrees of delicious. True, I like 96s. But if you don’t like acid in your pinots, drink CA pinot not burgundy.


Plus Fourrier Cherbaudes terrific upon release. Haven’t opened one since however as I suspect they are shut down.
>But if you don’t like acid in your pinots, drink CA pinot not burgundy.

Acid has always to be appropriately balanced with RIPE fruit. Underripe fruit and high acid is going to be a huge problem, at least in some of the 2008 wines.
(In the better 1996s the fruit was riper and more prominent from the start)

If you love Burgundy you don´t have to love all kinds and levels of acid - and you don´t have to switch to California.
Point made.

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#45 Post by Peter Chiu » December 23rd, 2019, 10:07 am

Producers, producers and producers......specially for red Burgundy.

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#46 Post by Robert Pavlovich » December 23rd, 2019, 10:39 am

maureen nelson wrote:
December 23rd, 2019, 7:39 am
Plus Fourrier Cherbaudes terrific upon release. Haven’t opened one since however as I suspect they are shut down.
A few of us opened one last weekend, was showing beautifully. Granted, I like elevated acidity but the fruit was ripe too. Think the old vines and pick time likely had a lot to do with this particular success. Though I’m sure the same could be said about many successful 08’s.

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#47 Post by C Chen » December 23rd, 2019, 10:46 am

jprusack wrote:
December 21st, 2019, 11:30 am
i recently bought some lignier 2008 1er morey saint denis bottles on the cheap. cellartracker reviews say theyre amazing and score it maybe 93.5.

i trust you people more but are cellartracker reviews generally to be believed?

while we're at it, has anyone had any morey saint denis 1er from 2008?
Popped an '08 Lignier MSD 1er VV this past weekend. Big, burly wine that opened up with some air, but would benefit from a lot more cellar time.
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#48 Post by M. Meer » December 23rd, 2019, 10:49 am

Everything I've had so far has been promising:

Lafarge Greves
G. Mugneret VR
G. Mugneret Boudots
Arnoux Chaumes
Arnoux Reignots
L'Arlot Forets
Mugnier Chambolle
Morot Bressandes

I've had the Greves twice in the last 6 months and it showed differently. One was sunny and red-fruited. More recently, dark, serious, and soil-driven. Both were enjoyable and nothing seemed out of place.

I think there is ample ripeness given the long growing season. I think it will be like '98 with better tannins, which is great vintage right about now.
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#49 Post by Jay Miller » December 23rd, 2019, 11:08 am

I'd like to play but am trying not to touch my 2008s for another 10 years or so. Loved them on release and expect to love them when they're ready.
Ripe fruit isn't necessarily a flaw.

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#50 Post by C Chen » December 23rd, 2019, 11:33 am

M. Meer wrote:
December 23rd, 2019, 10:49 am
Everything I've had so far has been promising:

Lafarge Greves
G. Mugneret VR
G. Mugneret Boudots
Arnoux Chaumes
Arnoux Reignots
L'Arlot Forets
Mugnier Chambolle
Morot Bressandes

I've had the Greves twice in the last 6 months and it showed differently. One was sunny and red-fruited. More recently, dark, serious, and soil-driven. Both were enjoyable and nothing seemed out of place.

I think there is ample ripeness given the long growing season. I think it will be like '98 with better tannins, which is great vintage right about now.
Had an '08 G. Mugneret VR and it was in the zone.
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