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#1 Post by Jared Wagner » December 13th, 2019, 2:14 pm

Another fabulous night of wine and food at RN74. Service was impeccable as usual. Wines weren't too shabby, either!

Decanted for about an 90 minutes. If you looked up the definition of 'French Syrah' in the dictionary, the picture of this bottle would be present. Nose of bacon, olives, tar, black fruit, a little gaminess, earth, and violets. Precise palate highlighted by notes of dark berries, meat, and an easily noticed lift from some acidic structure which leads to a terrific finish of juicy minerals. In a great spot now, but can see this wine effortlessly lasting 20 years. 94pts.

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#2 Post by Scott E. » December 13th, 2019, 2:22 pm

Thanks for the note. I've only got a couple of these so I was planning to hold them for a couple of more years. Loved the 2011 also. Too bad the price on these has escalated so much! [cry.gif]
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#3 Post by Kirk.Grant » December 14th, 2019, 6:28 am

I really liked the 2012 a lot more than I've liked the 2013...although I think the 2013 is starting to show well. The 2012 was just so damned delicious right out of the gate though. I miss the days when this was only $45/bottle (what I paid from a NYC retailer including the cost of shipping).
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#4 Post by Ramon C » December 14th, 2019, 6:34 am

I dipped into my stash and tasted the 2012 early last year, almost in a back-to-back against the 2011 a month later. The 2012 was in a happy zone and drank better than the 2011 which was no slouch, either.
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#5 Post by JWalter » February 14th, 2020, 7:21 pm

Opened a 2013 tonight. Pretty open and expressive, Nose took an hour to come around but palate was ready from the open. Was good pairing with lamb but I’m not sure I buy it at current prices. It’s not that far off from Jamet or Clape Pricing and I think I like them a lot more for the price.

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#6 Post by mdavis » February 15th, 2020, 10:30 pm

2012 is so delicious right now...miss the days when the wines were $30/bottle.
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#7 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » February 16th, 2020, 5:59 am

Kirk.Grant wrote:
December 14th, 2019, 6:28 am
I really liked the 2012 a lot more than I've liked the 2013...although I think the 2013 is starting to show well. The 2012 was just so damned delicious right out of the gate though. I miss the days when this was only $45/bottle (what I paid from a NYC retailer including the cost of shipping).

I think 2013, like 2010, are for the long haul, and will outshine the other more recent vintages, excepting maybe 2016.

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#8 Post by Russ Williams » February 16th, 2020, 6:33 am

JWalter wrote:
February 14th, 2020, 7:21 pm
Opened a 2013 tonight. Pretty open and expressive, Nose took an hour to come around but palate was ready from the open. Was good pairing with lamb but I’m not sure I buy it at current prices. It’s not that far off from Jamet or Clape Pricing and I think I like them a lot more for the price.
Glad I have a couple of cases spread across 2010 - 2013, but I also lost interest when the prices stared getting stupid.
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#9 Post by Jay Opperman » February 16th, 2020, 7:11 am

Absolutely love his white St.Joseph

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#10 Post by A.Gillette » February 16th, 2020, 8:22 am

Still a buyer here at $100 per bottle for any vintage for any of those who think it’s not worth the price.
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#11 Post by Al Osterheld » February 16th, 2020, 9:24 am

Yes, the Saint Joseph Les Oliviers blanc is quite good.

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#12 Post by JWalter » April 7th, 2020, 8:36 pm

Opened another 2013 Gonon tonight. Really “bright toned” fruits that I had a hard time with. My wife thought “cleaning supplies” but that blew off after an hour or so. 2012 Levet Chav opened around the same time was much more our speed.

Seems like both are very traditional but I prefer the levet

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#13 Post by Markus S » April 8th, 2020, 7:08 am

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#14 Post by Kirk.Grant » April 8th, 2020, 12:28 pm

I do love the 2012, but the 13 is just ok. If people would just realize that the change in price is only a result of the three tier system. It’s not a $100/wine in Europe.
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#15 Post by JWalter » April 8th, 2020, 8:48 pm

What is it in Europe?

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#16 Post by Alan Rath » April 8th, 2020, 8:58 pm

Kirk.Grant wrote:
April 8th, 2020, 12:28 pm
I do love the 2012, but the 13 is just ok. If people would just realize that the change in price is only a result of the three tier system. It’s not a $100/wine in Europe.
I guess it comes down to personal taste. I drank too many 13s (this is when it was pretty readily available for under $50). Loved the acidity, the savory olive notes, violets, electricity. The 12 is beautiful as well, but a more straightforward wine for me.
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#17 Post by IlkkaL » April 8th, 2020, 10:25 pm

Kirk.Grant wrote:
April 8th, 2020, 12:28 pm
I do love the 2012, but the 13 is just ok. If people would just realize that the change in price is only a result of the three tier system. It’s not a $100/wine in Europe.
Unfortunately it is going to be if the current trend continues.
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#18 Post by IlkkaL » April 9th, 2020, 5:55 am

JWalter wrote:
April 8th, 2020, 8:48 pm
What is it in Europe?
One of my regular French online shops - which has been selling Gonon for a good while - has currently 2015, 2016 and 2017 listed at 89 € each, although they are reserved for loyal customers. I believe 15 and 16 arrived at 69 € per but in the last year or so the prices have really gone up. I recently bought their last bottle of Les Oliviers 2016 for 79 €, obviously a different wine altogether but the prices seem to be quite close always for the red and the white. I suppose one can still find the new releases of the red priced in the 60-70 € range but the average price is definitely already higher than that. Quite a rise, as only two years ago I paid 34 € for the 2013.
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#19 Post by Ramon C » April 9th, 2020, 6:07 am

Yes, Gonon had crept up in prices in Europe. My early purchases, had as early as vintage 2005s when in Paris, was at mid- Euro 20s.
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#20 Post by JWalter » April 9th, 2020, 3:26 pm

This fits. I used to pay $50 and now pay $100. Seems like Europe has seen something like the same price increase

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#21 Post by Al Osterheld » April 9th, 2020, 6:56 pm

I think you could get the 2005 in the US at around $30, maybe even a bit less. Mid-30's with less of a search.

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#22 Post by joz€f p1nxten » April 10th, 2020, 3:09 am

IlkkaL wrote:
April 9th, 2020, 5:55 am
JWalter wrote:
April 8th, 2020, 8:48 pm
What is it in Europe?
One of my regular French online shops - which has been selling Gonon for a good while - has currently 2015, 2016 and 2017 listed at 89 € each, although they are reserved for loyal customers. I believe 15 and 16 arrived at 69 € per but in the last year or so the prices have really gone up. I recently bought their last bottle of Les Oliviers 2016 for 79 €, obviously a different wine altogether but the prices seem to be quite close always for the red and the white. I suppose one can still find the new releases of the red priced in the 60-70 € range but the average price is definitely already higher than that. Quite a rise, as only two years ago I paid 34 € for the 2013.
I definitely paid much, much less than 89 EUR for the regular - so someone with taking advantage, and it's not the estate itself. But quantity is limited.
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#23 Post by IlkkaL » April 10th, 2020, 5:39 am

joz€f p1nxten wrote:
April 10th, 2020, 3:09 am
IlkkaL wrote:
April 9th, 2020, 5:55 am
JWalter wrote:
April 8th, 2020, 8:48 pm
What is it in Europe?
One of my regular French online shops - which has been selling Gonon for a good while - has currently 2015, 2016 and 2017 listed at 89 € each, although they are reserved for loyal customers. I believe 15 and 16 arrived at 69 € per but in the last year or so the prices have really gone up. I recently bought their last bottle of Les Oliviers 2016 for 79 €, obviously a different wine altogether but the prices seem to be quite close always for the red and the white. I suppose one can still find the new releases of the red priced in the 60-70 € range but the average price is definitely already higher than that. Quite a rise, as only two years ago I paid 34 € for the 2013.
I definitely paid much, much less than 89 EUR for the regular - so someone with taking advantage, and it's not the estate itself. But quantity is limited.
Well, like I said surely there are still ways to buy it cheaper but I think it is getting harder and harder. That said also this particular retailer was selling it for a lot cheaper only a short time ago. A friend has been buying the wine via the subscription model from a small retailer for many years and also there the price has been going up every vintage for many years in a row now. Good for you if you can still buy it for 40-50 €!
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#24 Post by Marshall Manning » April 10th, 2020, 10:10 am

In 2012, when I was in the distribution business, we wholesaled the 2009 at $36. I think we even sampled a few bottles. Then the next year we had to allocate it, I believe.
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#25 Post by Ramon C » April 10th, 2020, 2:24 pm

Not going into who bought at lowest prices competition here, but simply illustrating the rapid rise in US prices by these wines.
It may have been allocated, I can't recall, but purchased 6 bottles of 2009s from emailed marketing by local store at under $30 per.
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#26 Post by Ethan Abraham » April 10th, 2020, 2:32 pm

Yeah they also blasted the 2010 twice, first tranche was 32 and a big price hike a couple months later to 33, and then a third tranche a few months after that at the same price.

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#27 Post by JC J o u a s » April 11th, 2020, 5:54 am

Sounding more and more like Chambers to me newhere
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#28 Post by Ramon C » April 12th, 2020, 7:20 am

I recall started buying from CSW with 2007s at $26 per (thanks, Salil !). Kept a few bottles for posterity.

So, this crap is now at $100 per! Mon dieu! [cheers.gif]
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#29 Post by Mike Evans » April 12th, 2020, 8:43 am

Just to provide some data points, I bought the 2012 Gonon on release from three different retailers:

Crush - $53.48
Premier Cru - $42.99 (and I actually got them!)
Chambers St. - $35.09

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#30 Post by joz€f p1nxten » April 12th, 2020, 9:17 am

Mike Evans wrote:
April 12th, 2020, 8:43 am
Just to provide some data points, I bought the 2012 Gonon on release from three different retailers:

Crush - $53.48
Premier Cru - $42.99 (and I actually got them!)
Chambers St. - $35.09
Out of curiosity, when people list US prices on there, is this always all taxes included?
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#31 Post by Mike Evans » April 12th, 2020, 11:07 am

joz€f p1nxten wrote:
April 12th, 2020, 9:17 am
Mike Evans wrote:
April 12th, 2020, 8:43 am
Just to provide some data points, I bought the 2012 Gonon on release from three different retailers:

Crush - $53.48
Premier Cru - $42.99 (and I actually got them!)
Chambers St. - $35.09
Out of curiosity, when people list US prices on there, is this always all taxes included?
These are my prices as I entered them in CellarTracker. I include tax and shipping to the extent they are charged so the amounts reflect my actual cost. Others choose to enter the price without including tax and/or shipping.

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#32 Post by patrick c albright » April 12th, 2020, 11:38 am

The wine was ~€17-- ex-cellars a couple of years ago.
I would be surprised if that has changed much.
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#33 Post by Markus S » April 12th, 2020, 1:10 pm

joz€f p1nxten wrote:
April 12th, 2020, 9:17 am
Mike Evans wrote:
April 12th, 2020, 8:43 am
Just to provide some data points, I bought the 2012 Gonon on release from three different retailers:

Crush - $53.48
Premier Cru - $42.99 (and I actually got them!)
Chambers St. - $35.09
Out of curiosity, when people list US prices on there, is this always all taxes included?
No, but it really should since that IS the price you paid for it. Shipping should be included also if that is used. Nothing in life is free.
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#34 Post by Ramon C » April 12th, 2020, 1:24 pm

joz€f p1nxten wrote:
April 12th, 2020, 9:17 am
Mike Evans wrote:
April 12th, 2020, 8:43 am
Just to provide some data points, I bought the 2012 Gonon on release from three different retailers:

Crush - $53.48
Premier Cru - $42.99 (and I actually got them!)
Chambers St. - $35.09
Out of curiosity, when people list US prices on there, is this always all taxes included?
Comes out better for Manhattan buyers at Chambers and Crush. Usual 10% off of case purchase, mixed or not, plus free shipping.
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