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#1 Post by David_K » December 12th, 2019, 6:34 am

I just got an offer on the 2018s -

QbA - $72
Kabinett - $132
Spatlese - $238
Auslese - $839

To put it into greater context, here is the offer I received on the 2015s back in 2016:

QbA - $44
Kabinett - $75
Spatlese - $145
Auslese - $456

I'm sorry but these prices are comical. Is anyone buying? I guess so given the near-doubling in just three years. But who? IIRC, the 2015s at this retailer sat for a while, and that was for a vintage with near unprecedented hype.
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#2 Post by jason stein » December 12th, 2019, 7:00 am

Believe we got the same offer -- also shocked that the pricing has ramped up this much. And you are correct; they actually still have 4 bottles of the 15 QbA in stock (for $44 apiece!)
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#3 Post by Jay Miller » December 12th, 2019, 7:03 am

I'm guessing that is factoring tariff additions into the price
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#4 Post by Andy Sc » December 12th, 2019, 8:45 am

What kind of offer is that?

For the Auslese: Average price on Cellartracker is $521. In Germany they sell for roughly $400+. In the US, Vinfolio is offering it for $485 (so not much above the 2015), SommPicks in San Francisco is selling it for $609. K&L for $699.

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#5 Post by Russell Faulkner » December 12th, 2019, 8:48 am

Muller pricing is always funky, different channels at different prices.

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#6 Post by RyanC » December 12th, 2019, 8:49 am

That's rough. I love these wines. I don't want them to become the Rayas of the Mosel.
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#7 Post by Robert Dentice » December 12th, 2019, 9:38 am

Luckily I like the Kabinett best so I still buy it every year. The problem with Egon Muller is that every major high end collector (the types with consultants) buy at least one German wine every year and its Egon Muller and now probably Keller.

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#8 Post by J. Rock » December 12th, 2019, 9:41 am

Eh, I don't see the appeal of his Spatlese even for the more typical pricing, especially when there are so many great Sptatlesen out there for a fraction of the price.
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#9 Post by Robert Pavlovich » December 12th, 2019, 8:25 pm

I told you Muller’s Kab was a deal @ $100 or under champagne.gif

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#10 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » December 12th, 2019, 9:02 pm

Status symbol pricing. Totally absurd. I will happily buy JJ Prum for a fraction of the price.
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#11 Post by Rudi Finkler » December 12th, 2019, 9:11 pm

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Eh, I don't see the appeal of his Spatlese even for the more typical pricing, especially when there are so many great Sptatlesen out there for a fraction of the price.
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#12 Post by Robert Grenley » December 12th, 2019, 11:29 pm

David_K wrote:
December 12th, 2019, 6:34 am
I just got an offer on the 2018s -

QbA - $72
Kabinett - $132
Spatlese - $238
Auslese - $839

To put it into greater context, here is the offer I received on the 2015s back in 2016:

QbA - $44
Kabinett - $75
Spatlese - $145
Auslese - $456

I'm sorry but these prices are comical. Is anyone buying? I guess so given the near-doubling in just three years. But who? IIRC, the 2015s at this retailer sat for a while, and that was for a vintage with near unprecedented hype.
Wow, cheap compared to Burgundy pricing!

But then again, not seeing what the BA’s and TBA’s go for...if they can ever be found.
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#13 Post by Howard Cooper » December 13th, 2019, 2:24 am

I compare the pricing to outstanding Saar and Ruwer producers and buy Zilliken and von Schubert instead.
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#14 Post by Ethan Abraham » December 13th, 2019, 2:52 am

16s were about the same as 15s (I paid 75/150 for a few) but then 17s the kab jumped over 100 and I did not bite.

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#15 Post by Doug Schulman » December 13th, 2019, 3:25 am

Robert Grenley wrote:
December 12th, 2019, 11:29 pm

Wow, cheap compared to Burgundy pricing!

But then again, not seeing what the BA’s and TBA’s go for...if they can ever be found.
I was told a while back that his TBA is the most expensive wine in the world per ounce at regular release pricing. I can only imagine how much future vintages will go for.

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#16 Post by dvansteenderen » December 13th, 2019, 3:39 am

The thing about verticals, is that you have to buy every vintage. So I'm afraid I bought all the 2018's I could get my hands on. Mags too and even some 3 Liters...

The other thing is, that his wines have the ability to degrade other top wines. This could be another reason for the price hike(s)!

And I agree with others that you can buy a lot of top wines in Germany, especially within the Prädikats Kabinett and Spätlese!
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#17 Post by A.Gillette » December 13th, 2019, 3:51 am

I didn’t love the Egon ‘18s that I tried. Worth noting that there is a new winemaker there starting with ‘18. 17s and 16s are very, very good. I thought some of the ale Gallais wines from those vintages were really exciting. The wines have always been more expensive than others. I think the estate wants it that way. For my money Lauer is a much better value in the Saar.
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#18 Post by Russell Faulkner » December 13th, 2019, 4:15 am

The new winemaker is young I think but others spoke highly of him.

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My favourite wines from Egon are the Kabi and GK. I’ve had my share though.

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#19 Post by A. So » December 13th, 2019, 7:25 am

Russell Faulkner wrote:
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#20 Post by Mike Grammer » December 14th, 2019, 4:39 am

Definitely not buying at this level of pricing, happy to have some 15s and 16s at the old pricing, but I did taste the 18s a little over a month ago, in the context of a very large smorgasbord tasting where I got to about 56 wines--I tasted the Mullers fairly early on that day:

2018 Egon Muller Scharzhofberger Ries Kabinett

Almost a ricecake-sake thing wafts up from the glass. Lemongrass too. Wow—even at the Kabinett level, a *burst* of yellow fruit on the front and it glides effortlessly to the back of your throat. Star fruit even. I guessed—9%? Yup, 9%. Very good

2018 Egon Muller Scharzhofberger Ries Spat

More reserved in the schnozz, funny enough, more mineral and steel here. This one almost drinks like a VT—peach, lime and apple have equal say. But there is underlying real conviction. And this is licklicious. #9

2018 Egon Muller Wiltinger Braune Kupp Auslese

Much the same profile as the Spat, maybe with the add of some mulled cider aromatics. More intensified on palate, will appeal to those who like that—I actually slightly prefer the energy in the Spat, but this is no slouch wine.
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#21 Post by Claus Jeppesen » December 14th, 2019, 9:40 am

A.Gillette wrote:
December 13th, 2019, 3:51 am
I didn’t love the Egon ‘18s that I tried. Worth noting that there is a new winemaker there starting with ‘18. 17s and 16s are very, very good. I thought some of the ale Gallais wines from those vintages were really exciting. The wines have always been more expensive than others. I think the estate wants it that way. For my money Lauer is a much better value in the Saar.
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#22 Post by Robert Grenley » December 14th, 2019, 11:53 pm

Doug Schulman wrote:
December 13th, 2019, 3:25 am
Robert Grenley wrote:
December 12th, 2019, 11:29 pm

Wow, cheap compared to Burgundy pricing!

But then again, not seeing what the BA’s and TBA’s go for...if they can ever be found.
I was told a while back that his TBA is the most expensive wine in the world per ounce at regular release pricing. I can only imagine how much future vintages will go for.
I have a bottle of 1976 Scharzhofberger BA that I have had in the cellar for over 30-some years, and I am thinking of selling it...as great as it probably is, I might convert it to some cases of Burgundy.
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#23 Post by Doug Schulman » December 15th, 2019, 6:52 pm

Robert Grenley wrote:
December 14th, 2019, 11:53 pm
Doug Schulman wrote:
December 13th, 2019, 3:25 am
Robert Grenley wrote:
December 12th, 2019, 11:29 pm

Wow, cheap compared to Burgundy pricing!

But then again, not seeing what the BA’s and TBA’s go for...if they can ever be found.
I was told a while back that his TBA is the most expensive wine in the world per ounce at regular release pricing. I can only imagine how much future vintages will go for.
I have a bottle of 1976 Scharzhofberger BA that I have had in the cellar for over 30-some years, and I am thinking of selling it...as great as it probably is, I might convert it to some cases of Burgundy.
That’s one of very few instances where one bottle of Riesling can probably convert to a much larger quantity of very good Burgundy!

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#24 Post by Rudi Finkler » December 15th, 2019, 11:27 pm

Robert, the 1976 Scharzhofberger BA can still be found for a paltry 5,900 Euros in a Hessian online shop. The 2017 TBA Goldkapsel for only €13,500…. [shock.gif]
Finally, now I understand the term Goldkapsel. Seems to be liquid gold. :-)
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#25 Post by Robert Grenley » December 15th, 2019, 11:56 pm

Rudi Finkler wrote:
December 15th, 2019, 11:27 pm
Robert, the 1976 Scharzhofberger BA can still be found for a paltry 5,900 Euros in a Hessian online shop. The 2017 TBA Goldkapsel for only €13,500…. [shock.gif]
Finally, now I understand the term Goldkapsel. Seems to be liquid gold. :-)
Gee, I would hand it over for a paltry 4500 Yankee dollars. Any takers?
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#26 Post by Andrew K. » July 28th, 2020, 1:38 pm

David_K wrote:
December 12th, 2019, 6:34 am
I just got an offer on the 2018s -

QbA - $72
Kabinett - $132
Spatlese - $238
Auslese - $839

To put it into greater context, here is the offer I received on the 2015s back in 2016:

QbA - $44
Kabinett - $75
Spatlese - $145
Auslese - $456

I'm sorry but these prices are comical. Is anyone buying? I guess so given the near-doubling in just three years. But who? IIRC, the 2015s at this retailer sat for a while, and that was for a vintage with near unprecedented hype.
Thanks for this info. I just got an offer for the 2018 GK at $630 and Kabinett at $96. It seems those are good prices. GK is going for $1500+ on WS...

But still at $630 when I can get aged Prum WS GK for 1/4 the price or less, is Muller really that good?
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#27 Post by rob klafter » July 28th, 2020, 4:13 pm

is Muller really that good?
They are different wines. In many ways the nuance is like Burgundian producers and terroir. I find Prum to have variations on the theme of petrol and yellow fruit. When the acidity is on, the wine vibrates in the low frequencies. Warm and true. Muller is all about crystalline tension. White fruit and slate. Top vintages vibrate much higher. Exquisite. If the world ever opens up I think its time for a comparison.
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#28 Post by Rauno E (NZ) » July 28th, 2020, 6:35 pm

Andrew - FWIW I'm a pretty easy grader on top Rieslings generally (I like a lot, a lot). If you're looking for a countervailing voice, I would say: No, EM is not worth the extra premium. Rob is quite right with the Burgundy comparison, but for me (unlike with white burgundy) I find a lot of suitable (far cheaper) substitutes that I enjoy.
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#29 Post by Tom Reddick » July 28th, 2020, 9:49 pm

Rudi Finkler wrote:
December 12th, 2019, 9:11 pm
J. Rock wrote:
December 12th, 2019, 9:41 am
Eh, I don't see the appeal of his Spatlese even for the more typical pricing, especially when there are so many great Sptatlesen out there for a fraction of the price.
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I think time is a factor- just as with Cristal in the realm of champagne, a Muller wine will almost always perform well relative to vintage- but if you really want to see all the goodies, you have to be very patient.

That said, the current pricing is obviously based heavily in demand from people who think it is important that they own Muller wines versus having taken the time to learn about them, experience them and purchase accordingly. They are unique- so that will always be a reason to buy if you really love them- but the QPR is definitely not there like it used to be (I am a great believer in the notion that QPR does not necessarily mean a low price BTW.)

At current pricing and demand levels, I think it makes the most sense to go after the auction wines in vintages you really like, or older bottles from vintages that are not generally heralded by the average wine consumer but were outstanding in the Mosel. In fact, on the rare occasion they come up for sale, Muller's older Auction Kabinett and Spatlesen do not attract anywhere near the attention of Auslese and up bottles. 1999 is a great example- Muller made a knockout Spatlese Auction that year which is one of the greatest wines I have ever tasted. A bottle sold at auction recently as part of a small parcel in which I would have- had I bought the parcel- allocated a cost of about $300 to the bottle of Spatlese Auction. I would gladly pay that price for the wine- perhaps even more- to experience it one more time. But $150+ for new vintages that are not from Auction, and at my age, nope.
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#30 Post by emile bond » July 29th, 2020, 2:09 am

Jay Miller wrote:
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I'm guessing that is factoring tariff additions into the price
‘18s arrived Pre-Tariff.

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#31 Post by Claus Jeppesen » July 29th, 2020, 2:29 am

Price for Scharzhofberg Kabinett increased from 63€ (2018) to 110€ (2019) per 750ml bottle at my dealer
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#32 Post by Lars Carlberg » July 29th, 2020, 2:31 am

Over the last couple of years, the prices of Egon Müller have gone up significantly even for merchants and restaurants who buy direct.

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#33 Post by Claus Jeppesen » July 29th, 2020, 2:37 am

I paid 39€ for 2010 Scharzhofberg Kabinett
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#34 Post by emile bond » July 29th, 2020, 2:57 am

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I paid 39€ for 2010 Scharzhofberg Kabinett
I just checked my notes, and I overstated previously. Sharzhofberger Kabinett 2010 was $40/bottle Wholesale(depending on Wholesaler Gross Profit Margin), and not $50/bottle Wholesale, in the USA. Thus, Retail pricing would have been more like $55-$65 depending on Retailer margin. 2010 remains a delicious wine.
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#35 Post by emile bond » July 29th, 2020, 3:06 am

David_K wrote:
December 12th, 2019, 6:34 am
I just got an offer on the 2018s -

QbA - $72
Kabinett - $132
Spatlese - $238
Auslese - $839

To put it into greater context, here is the offer I received on the 2015s back in 2016:

QbA - $44
Kabinett - $75
Spatlese - $145
Auslese - $456

I'm sorry but these prices are comical. Is anyone buying? I guess so given the near-doubling in just three years. But who? IIRC, the 2015s at this retailer sat for a while, and that was for a vintage with near unprecedented hype.
If you compare Pradikat pricing above to Regional, Village, 1er Cru, and Grand Cru Burg pricing it is in line, or even less, than comparable Producers and terroir in Burgundy. Muller is a Burgundy enthusiast, too.

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#36 Post by Ethan Abraham » July 29th, 2020, 4:38 am

emile bond wrote:
July 29th, 2020, 3:06 am
David_K wrote:
December 12th, 2019, 6:34 am
I just got an offer on the 2018s -

QbA - $72
Kabinett - $132
Spatlese - $238
Auslese - $839

To put it into greater context, here is the offer I received on the 2015s back in 2016:

QbA - $44
Kabinett - $75
Spatlese - $145
Auslese - $456

I'm sorry but these prices are comical. Is anyone buying? I guess so given the near-doubling in just three years. But who? IIRC, the 2015s at this retailer sat for a while, and that was for a vintage with near unprecedented hype.
If you compare Pradikat pricing above to Regional, Village, 1er Cru, and Grand Cru Burg pricing it is in line, or even less, than comparable Producers and terroir in Burgundy. Muller is a Burgundy enthusiast, too.
Not a bad point. Pretty much lines up with eg ramonet or Leflaive retail pricing in the us.
Envoyer had a big parcel of 17 kabi at 90 sitting for a while.

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#37 Post by emile bond » July 29th, 2020, 7:36 am

Ethan Abraham wrote:
July 29th, 2020, 4:38 am
emile bond wrote:
July 29th, 2020, 3:06 am
David_K wrote:
December 12th, 2019, 6:34 am
I just got an offer on the 2018s -

QbA - $72
Kabinett - $132
Spatlese - $238
Auslese - $839

To put it into greater context, here is the offer I received on the 2015s back in 2016:

QbA - $44
Kabinett - $75
Spatlese - $145
Auslese - $456

I'm sorry but these prices are comical. Is anyone buying? I guess so given the near-doubling in just three years. But who? IIRC, the 2015s at this retailer sat for a while, and that was for a vintage with near unprecedented hype.
If you compare Pradikat pricing above to Regional, Village, 1er Cru, and Grand Cru Burg pricing it is in line, or even less, than comparable Producers and terroir in Burgundy. Muller is a Burgundy enthusiast, too.
Not a bad point. Pretty much lines up with eg ramonet or Leflaive retail pricing in the us.
Envoyer had a big parcel of 17 kabi at 90 sitting for a while.
I suggested such using Mugneret-Gibourg as a loose comparison upon discussing our respective fondness for red Burgundy. Herr Muller seemed pleased, approving, of the concept, although maybe I confused amusement for appreciation.

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#38 Post by emile bond » July 29th, 2020, 8:30 am

Claus Jeppesen wrote:
July 29th, 2020, 2:29 am
Price for Scharzhofberg Kabinett increased from 63€ (2018) to 110€ (2019) per 750ml bottle at my dealer
And that is without US tariff.....

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#39 Post by emile bond » July 29th, 2020, 9:07 am

David_K wrote:
December 12th, 2019, 6:34 am
I just got an offer on the 2018s -

QbA - $72
Kabinett - $132
Spatlese - $238
Auslese - $839

To put it into greater context, here is the offer I received on the 2015s back in 2016:

QbA - $44
Kabinett - $75
Spatlese - $145
Auslese - $456

I'm sorry but these prices are comical. Is anyone buying? I guess so given the near-doubling in just three years. But who? IIRC, the 2015s at this retailer sat for a while, and that was for a vintage with near unprecedented hype.
Here is your opportunity to buy at lower pricing. All Pradikats you reference except Kabinett are available at lower pricing than you reference with Spatlese and Auslese being significantly discounted. Ready, set, go....

https://www.klwines.com/Products?search ... n%20Muller

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#40 Post by A.Gillette » July 29th, 2020, 11:37 am

rob klafter wrote:
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is Muller really that good?
They are different wines. In many ways the nuance is like Burgundian producers and terroir. I find Prum to have variations on the theme of petrol and yellow fruit. When the acidity is on, the wine vibrates in the low frequencies. Warm and true. Muller is all about crystalline tension. White fruit and slate. Top vintages vibrate much higher. Exquisite. If the world ever opens up I think its time for a comparison.
This is a really nice post, Rob. What a wonderful description of the differences between two great producers.
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Re: Egon Muller pricing

#41 Post by Mike Grammer » July 29th, 2020, 5:18 pm

we had a bit of discounting here too, with the 18 Kabinett coming down to USD $75. I bought one for that price and just opened it with my best friend yesterday. I stand by my earlier note on this thread, remains very locked into what it presents and shouldn't budge for 15 years. At C$136? No. At C$100, I'm not upset to have spent the money.
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Re: Egon Muller pricing

#42 Post by Lars Carlberg » July 31st, 2020, 2:45 am

emile bond wrote:
July 29th, 2020, 8:30 am
Claus Jeppesen wrote:
July 29th, 2020, 2:29 am
Price for Scharzhofberg Kabinett increased from 63€ (2018) to 110€ (2019) per 750ml bottle at my dealer
And that is without US tariff.....
See post #32.

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Re: Egon Muller pricing

#43 Post by emile bond » July 31st, 2020, 8:27 am

Mike Grammer wrote:
July 29th, 2020, 5:18 pm
we had a bit of discounting here too, with the 18 Kabinett coming down to USD $75. I bought one for that price and just opened it with my best friend yesterday. I stand by my earlier note on this thread, remains very locked into what it presents and shouldn't budge for 15 years. At C$136? No. At C$100, I'm not upset to have spent the money.
$75/bottle retail is a phenomenal price for Sharzhofberger Kabinett 2018 750ML. I hope you purchased every bottle you could. $75/btl retail is essentially a 25% discount , or an entire tier of margin removed, from SRP for ‘18 vintage. Bravo.

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Re: Egon Muller pricing

#44 Post by Claus Jeppesen » July 31st, 2020, 8:58 am

A.Gillette wrote:
July 29th, 2020, 11:37 am
rob klafter wrote:
July 28th, 2020, 4:13 pm
is Muller really that good?
They are different wines. In many ways the nuance is like Burgundian producers and terroir. I find Prum to have variations on the theme of petrol and yellow fruit. When the acidity is on, the wine vibrates in the low frequencies. Warm and true. Muller is all about crystalline tension. White fruit and slate. Top vintages vibrate much higher. Exquisite. If the world ever opens up I think its time for a comparison.
This is a really nice post, Rob. What a wonderful description of the differences between two great producers.
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Re: Egon Muller pricing

#45 Post by Claus Jeppesen » July 31st, 2020, 9:03 am

A.Gillette wrote:
July 29th, 2020, 11:37 am
rob klafter wrote:
July 28th, 2020, 4:13 pm
is Muller really that good?
They are different wines. In many ways the nuance is like Burgundian producers and terroir. I find Prum to have variations on the theme of petrol and yellow fruit. When the acidity is on, the wine vibrates in the low frequencies. Warm and true. Muller is all about crystalline tension. White fruit and slate. Top vintages vibrate much higher. Exquisite. If the world ever opens up I think its time for a comparison.
This is a really nice post, Rob. What a wonderful description of the differences between two great producers.
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Re: Egon Muller pricing

#46 Post by emile bond » July 31st, 2020, 4:56 pm

I have heard/read about enthusiasts not being impressed with Muller Sharzhofberger Kabinett compared to other Producers when respective wines are tasted in youth. I would encourage these enthusiasts to taste the same wines with ten years of age because Muller Sharzhofberger Kabinett often takes longer than some other wines to reveal full character and potential. The remarkable balance Muller achieves with Sharzhofberger Kabinett is seemingly more revealing with more bottle age.

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Re: Egon Muller pricing

#47 Post by A.Gillette » July 31st, 2020, 5:53 pm

emile bond wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 8:27 am
Mike Grammer wrote:
July 29th, 2020, 5:18 pm
we had a bit of discounting here too, with the 18 Kabinett coming down to USD $75. I bought one for that price and just opened it with my best friend yesterday. I stand by my earlier note on this thread, remains very locked into what it presents and shouldn't budge for 15 years. At C$136? No. At C$100, I'm not upset to have spent the money.
$75/bottle retail is a phenomenal price for Sharzhofberger Kabinett 2018 750ML. I hope you purchased every bottle you could. $75/btl retail is essentially a 25% discount , or an entire tier of margin removed, from SRP for ‘18 vintage. Bravo.
I generally like Egon’s kabinett but I’d taste before you back up the truck on the ‘18 kabinett. New winemaker in a tough vintage. I think there’s a reason that the price is being cut so drastically.
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Re: Egon Muller pricing

#48 Post by emile bond » July 31st, 2020, 6:19 pm

A.Gillette wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 5:53 pm
emile bond wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 8:27 am
Mike Grammer wrote:
July 29th, 2020, 5:18 pm
we had a bit of discounting here too, with the 18 Kabinett coming down to USD $75. I bought one for that price and just opened it with my best friend yesterday. I stand by my earlier note on this thread, remains very locked into what it presents and shouldn't budge for 15 years. At C$136? No. At C$100, I'm not upset to have spent the money.
$75/bottle retail is a phenomenal price for Sharzhofberger Kabinett 2018 750ML. I hope you purchased every bottle you could. $75/btl retail is essentially a 25% discount , or an entire tier of margin removed, from SRP for ‘18 vintage. Bravo.
I generally like Egon’s kabinett but I’d taste before you back up the truck on the ‘18 kabinett. New winemaker in a tough vintage. I think there’s a reason that the price is being cut so drastically.
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The comment was in the spirit for those who do want ‘18 Kabinett. It is very likely that $75 is as inexpensive as the Consumer will find wine in USA unless the Importer, Wholesaler, or Retailer sells at cost with no Gross Profit. Given the Ex-Cellar price(and prices Ex-Cellar have been increasing each vintage as was confirmed previously during thread), and with the importer taking margin, the wholesaler taking margin, and the retailer taking margin, $75/bottle is likely as low of a price the Consumer is going to find. If the Consumer does not want the ‘18 vintage for reasons you mention, then the price does not matter. I was simply highlighting for those who do.

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Re: Egon Muller pricing

#49 Post by John Morris » July 31st, 2020, 6:32 pm

emile bond wrote:
July 29th, 2020, 2:09 am
Jay Miller wrote:
December 12th, 2019, 7:03 am
I'm guessing that is factoring tariff additions into the price
‘18s arrived Pre-Tariff.
Not sure that was true if they were first being offered in mid-December.
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Re: Egon Muller pricing

#50 Post by A.Gillette » July 31st, 2020, 6:34 pm

emile bond wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 6:19 pm
A.Gillette wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 5:53 pm
emile bond wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 8:27 am


$75/bottle retail is a phenomenal price for Sharzhofberger Kabinett 2018 750ML. I hope you purchased every bottle you could. $75/btl retail is essentially a 25% discount , or an entire tier of margin removed, from SRP for ‘18 vintage. Bravo.
I generally like Egon’s kabinett but I’d taste before you back up the truck on the ‘18 kabinett. New winemaker in a tough vintage. I think there’s a reason that the price is being cut so drastically.
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The comment was in the spirit for those who do want ‘18 Kabinett. It is very likely that $75 is as inexpensive as the Consumer will find wine in USA unless the Importer, Wholesaler, or Retailer sells at cost with no Gross Profit. Given the Ex-Cellar price(and prices Ex-Cellar have been increasing each vintage as was confirmed previously during thread), and with the importer taking margin, the wholesaler taking margin, and the retailer taking margin, $75/bottle is likely as low of a price the Consumer is going to find. If the Consumer does not want the ‘18 vintage for reasons you mention, then the price does not matter. I was simply highlighting for those who do.
Agreed. If you like it, it’s a baller price. And if you like to roll the dice, you could do worse than doubling down on Egon. I feel you, Emile.
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