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#1 Post by Nick Ryan » December 7th, 2019, 8:02 pm

Don't see a thread on this yet... just got my letter. Allocated two Classic packs, $1575 for 7 bottles (an odd number, no?) Going to take one. I'm also being given the opportunity to wish for an Old Sparky for the first time. Mags aren't really my thing but I've never had Old Sparky...
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#2 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » December 7th, 2019, 8:23 pm

$1,575.00 is not an "odd" number, although it is an odd number; $225/btl..
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#3 Post by Rajesh P a r i k h » December 7th, 2019, 8:50 pm

7 bottles sounds odd to me

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#4 Post by Steve Eisenhauer » December 7th, 2019, 8:57 pm

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#6 Post by Dan Hammer » December 8th, 2019, 7:20 am

Is anyone still buying schrader?

According to Cellartracker, schrader purchases peaked in '12 and '13. There was a decrease of ~25% in '14. The 2017 shows a ~70% decrease in posted bottles vs. 2013. I realize the 2017 number may not be up to date as people receive their allocation. But still. pileon
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#7 Post by adam landa » December 8th, 2019, 8:05 am

I am offered two eight-packs. After sharing an allocation the last few years post-sale, thinking about jumping back in for one more purchase given the strength of the vintage.

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#8 Post by AlexS » December 8th, 2019, 9:30 am

Dan Hammer wrote:
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Is anyone still buying schrader?

According to Cellartracker, schrader purchases peaked in '12 and '13. There was a decrease of ~25% in '14. The 2017 shows a ~70% decrease in posted bottles vs. 2013. I realize the 2017 number may not be up to date as people receive their allocation. But still. pileon
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#9 Post by robkim » December 8th, 2019, 9:47 am

Stopped with the 2017 vintage, got an offer for the 2018 vintage -- obviously a better all-around year, but any ideas as to these wines?

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#10 Post by Michael Fess » December 8th, 2019, 1:21 pm

Offered three eight packs plus a two Old Sparkey's. In for at least one eight pack and both Old Sparky's.

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#11 Post by S. Stevenson » December 8th, 2019, 2:46 pm

Stopped buying a while ago. Just another wine.
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#12 Post by Ian S » December 8th, 2019, 8:26 pm

Wow, seems like quite a few people have gotten much larger allocations than previous years. Must be a glut of this stuff. Maybe if everyone keeps their credit cards in their wallets, the price will come down.
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#13 Post by Nick Ryan » December 8th, 2019, 9:31 pm

Ian S wrote:
December 8th, 2019, 8:26 pm
Wow, seems like quite a few people have gotten much larger allocations than previous years. Must be a glut of this stuff. Maybe if everyone keeps their credit cards in their wallets, the price will come down.
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#14 Post by BLaird » December 8th, 2019, 9:39 pm

My full allocation and wish list would cost over $9,000!! :-o :-o :-o
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#15 Post by Gabe Berk » December 9th, 2019, 10:12 am

First full year under Constellation. According to the allocation verbiage, this will be the first time Schrader and TRB have been given access to "Heritage" NS2 blocks of To-Kalon allowing them the prime of prime blocks. 2018 was a very good growing season, so couple that with "better" fruit source, the 2018 Schrader's might be tasty. $225 a bottle is the same as previous vintages and on par with pricing of many dozens of Napa cab producers.

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#16 Post by J a y H a c k » December 9th, 2019, 10:13 am

Constellation can keep their wine. I am no longer a buyer.
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#17 Post by Bill G » December 9th, 2019, 10:20 am

J a y H a c k wrote:
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Ditto. I have moved on.
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#18 Post by Rob_S » December 9th, 2019, 11:52 am

Logged in and tells me that I have no offer despite receiving an email. Guess I'm lower down on the list...

Not sure if I'm a buyer regardless.
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#19 Post by Alex N » December 9th, 2019, 12:18 pm

I passed on the 2015 vintage and haven't received an offering since. I'm totally sad and offended [snort.gif]
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#20 Post by NickRut » December 9th, 2019, 1:01 pm

Anyone willing to share their allocation at cost?
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#21 Post by BLaird » December 9th, 2019, 3:42 pm

I'm sure plenty!
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#22 Post by Andrew Han » December 9th, 2019, 9:14 pm

Let me know if anyone want 2918 Schrader at cost.

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#23 Post by dennis.coronado » December 10th, 2019, 4:19 am

Andrew Han wrote:
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Let me know if anyone want 2918 Schrader at cost.
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#24 Post by Nick Ryan » December 10th, 2019, 10:27 am

Andrew Han wrote:
December 9th, 2019, 9:14 pm
Let me know if anyone want 2918 Schrader at cost.
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#25 Post by Kevin Patrick » December 10th, 2019, 10:47 am

Don't forget the special shipping rates from Schrader...only 2x the typical freight. With tax that puts the per bottle px at $250, a bargain!

Despite my disdain demonstrated above, the insanity still keeps me coming back. I passed on 2017 but am still on the fence over 2018. Better vintage plus still TRB = possible purchase.

Someone please heal me from this affliction.

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#26 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » December 10th, 2019, 12:30 pm

Kevin Patrick wrote:
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Don't forget the special shipping rates from Schrader...only 2x the typical freight. With tax that puts the per bottle px at $250, a bargain!

Despite my disdain demonstrated above, the insanity still keeps me coming back. I passed on 2017 but am still on the fence over 2018. Better vintage plus still TRB = possible purchase.

Someone please heal me from this affliction.

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#27 Post by Kevin Patrick » December 10th, 2019, 2:36 pm

Bordeaux? yes. Very much so.

Much like I like my cabs I won't drink them until they are at least 10 - 15 years old.

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#28 Post by John Draper » December 10th, 2019, 2:44 pm

I bailed after 2014. juice wasn't worth the proverbial squeeze
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#29 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » December 11th, 2019, 2:10 pm

Kevin Patrick wrote:
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Bordeaux? yes. Very much so.

Much like I like my cabs I won't drink them until they are at least 10 - 15 years old.
I'm the same re: Cab. (-based) drinking windows.

This is how I "healed my affliction": one day, I realized I could, instead of buying Schrader, buy a bottle of Pichon Baron, or two bottles of Haut Bailly, or three bottles of Domaine de Chevalier, or two bottles of Leoville Barton, or a bottle of Montrose, or a bottle of Rauzan Segla, or a bottle of Grand Puy Lacoste, or ... AND have money leftover (in some cases, a considerable amount). I miss CA Cabs not at all, although that doesn't stop me from keeping an eye out for aged bargains. It's all about opportunity costs.
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#30 Post by Nick Ryan » December 11th, 2019, 3:12 pm

So now that the offer is actually open I'm hesitating. Swore to myself I'd cut down on high-end Cab purchases this year since I've been drinking more Pinot, and I'd have to pick a producer to dump. I can't bear to drop Spottswoode or VHR, so this may be it... going to open a 2012 RBS (my oldest Schrader) in the next few days as a test. Hopefully it will be terrible and make my choice easy.
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#31 Post by adam landa » December 11th, 2019, 6:24 pm

On the fence as well, though leaning in. Now that Shafer Hillside is $300+, Schrader pricing looks better combined with more limited production.

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#32 Post by Bruce Rudman » December 12th, 2019, 6:50 am

Been buying since 2010 vintage allocation. Bought one seven-pack and two old sparky's (one is a wish list). Maybe the fact they have two new vineyards gives more wine to increase allocations, or maybe some have dropped off as stated. I didn't know there was an eight-pack but since the seven-pack is one of each without GIII, that makes sense that there is another option.

I am a fan of the wine though admittedly have not had anything newer than 2016 yet.
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#33 Post by Jeff_M. » December 12th, 2019, 7:34 am

adam landa wrote:
December 11th, 2019, 6:24 pm
On the fence as well, though leaning in. Now that Shafer Hillside is $300+, Schrader pricing looks better combined with more limited production.
2016 HSS should be my last vintage buying with that pricing. Its easy to move on to another winery where you can buy a few more bottles for sometimes less than the cost of 1.
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#34 Post by Kevin Patrick » December 12th, 2019, 8:12 am

Brian you make great points. I think I will surely, at a minimum, cut back on my order. Maybe just pick up a magnum or two so I have some juice in the cellar and move on to a more balanced portfolio with wines like you named. Thanks for your thoughts.

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#35 Post by Dan Hammer » December 12th, 2019, 11:13 am

Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:
December 11th, 2019, 2:10 pm


This is how I "healed my affliction": one day, I realized I could, instead of buying Schrader, buy a bottle of Pichon Baron, or two bottles of Haut Bailly, or three bottles of Domaine de Chevalier, or two bottles of Leoville Barton, or a bottle of Montrose, or a bottle of Rauzan Segla, or a bottle of Grand Puy Lacoste, or ... AND have money leftover (in some cases, a considerable amount). \

... or multiple bottles of Becklyn.

... or maybe replace schrader with Maybach or MacDonald.
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#36 Post by Rob_S » December 12th, 2019, 12:46 pm

Dan Hammer wrote:
December 12th, 2019, 11:13 am
Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:
December 11th, 2019, 2:10 pm


This is how I "healed my affliction": one day, I realized I could, instead of buying Schrader, buy a bottle of Pichon Baron, or two bottles of Haut Bailly, or three bottles of Domaine de Chevalier, or two bottles of Leoville Barton, or a bottle of Montrose, or a bottle of Rauzan Segla, or a bottle of Grand Puy Lacoste, or ... AND have money leftover (in some cases, a considerable amount). \

... or multiple bottles of Becklyn.

... or maybe replace schrader with Maybach or MacDonald.
Unless you had plans in the works for a few years now, how could you replace Schrader with MacDonald? I put myself on that waiting list over two years ago and haven't heard a peep.
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#37 Post by Dan Hammer » December 12th, 2019, 1:09 pm

Rob_S wrote:
December 12th, 2019, 12:46 pm
Dan Hammer wrote:
December 12th, 2019, 11:13 am
Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:
December 11th, 2019, 2:10 pm


This is how I "healed my affliction": one day, I realized I could, instead of buying Schrader, buy a bottle of Pichon Baron, or two bottles of Haut Bailly, or three bottles of Domaine de Chevalier, or two bottles of Leoville Barton, or a bottle of Montrose, or a bottle of Rauzan Segla, or a bottle of Grand Puy Lacoste, or ... AND have money leftover (in some cases, a considerable amount). \

... or multiple bottles of Becklyn.

... or maybe replace schrader with Maybach or MacDonald.
Unless you had plans in the works for a few years now, how could you replace Schrader with MacDonald? I put myself on that waiting list over two years ago and haven't heard a peep.
I was able to stop buying schrader when I got my first MacDonald allocation in 2014. My first Maybach was the '08 vintage.

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#38 Post by Gabe Berk » December 12th, 2019, 3:47 pm

Hot off the press from Mrs. Lisa Perrotti-Brown in case anyone wanted a review of the 2018's prior to purchasing...
2018 Mondavi Heritage Clone To Kalon Vineyard. This is the very first vintage of this new label for Schrader. True to Schrader form, the wine is 100% Cabernet Sauvignon from a single block in the southern part of Mondavi’s section of To Kalon vineyard. The “Heritage Clone”, a.k.a. clone 39, is pretty much exclusive to Mondavi To Kalon, with the exception of some cuttings Robert Mondavi may have given out. Winemaker Thomas Rivers Brown noted that this clone produces very small bunches and tiny berries, equating to super-intense fruit. A barrel sample, the 2018 Cabernet Sauvignon Mondavi Heritage Clone To Kalon Vineyard displays a very deep purple-black color, offering amazing intensity on the nose of blueberry coulis, warm cassis and blackberry pie scents with underlying hints of roses, fragrant soil, Darjeeling tea and tree bark. Medium-bodied, fantastically intense and very tightly wound, it has loads of mineral layers intertwined with fine-grained, firm tannins and bold freshness, finishing very long. Evocative, singular and truly exciting, I can’t wait to taste this from bottle! 572 cases are due to be made. 97 - 100 points
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#39 Post by adam landa » December 12th, 2019, 4:09 pm

Gabe...Any score for Sparky?

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#40 Post by Gabe Berk » December 12th, 2019, 4:23 pm

adam landa wrote:
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Gabe...Any score for Sparky?
Nope...was hoping to see one, but none. I think Sparky is a blend of the best barrels, so once final blend and bottling occurs, perhaps it'll get reviewed then...

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#41 Post by Mike Van1 » December 12th, 2019, 4:34 pm

I’ll be pulling the trigger on one of my two allocated 7-packs this weekend. Will probably wish for the one Old Sparky that I’m able to wish for. Looking forward to trying the new Heritage and MB blends.
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#42 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » December 12th, 2019, 11:38 pm

Dan Hammer wrote:
December 12th, 2019, 11:13 am
Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:
December 11th, 2019, 2:10 pm


This is how I "healed my affliction": one day, I realized I could, instead of buying Schrader, buy a bottle of Pichon Baron, or two bottles of Haut Bailly, or three bottles of Domaine de Chevalier, or two bottles of Leoville Barton, or a bottle of Montrose, or a bottle of Rauzan Segla, or a bottle of Grand Puy Lacoste, or ... AND have money leftover (in some cases, a considerable amount). \

... or multiple bottles of Becklyn.

... or maybe replace schrader with Maybach or MacDonald.
And, to my point, just today I managed to grab 2006 LLC, 2006 VCC, and 2004 LMHB, all for the same price as Schrader, if not less ($125 - $175). Granted, the VCC is Merlot-based, but it occupies the same practical space for me.
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#43 Post by Josh Grossman » December 12th, 2019, 11:43 pm

Cheers to all the Constellation haters. Too many great producing smaller fish out there to support people in it mainly for the money.

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#44 Post by BLaird » December 17th, 2019, 9:07 am

I have plenty to share from my large allocation; can't afford it all. PM for details.
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#45 Post by Frank Z » February 6th, 2020, 9:01 am

Just got an email stating I've been moved to the active list. Is demand really that low for Schrader since the sell to Constellation?

Out of curiosity, how do these compare to Carter?
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#46 Post by OwenB » February 6th, 2020, 9:04 am

I just got the first time bump too. Probably going to pass.
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    #47 Post by AD Northup » February 6th, 2020, 9:24 am

    OwenB wrote:
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    I just got the first time bump too. Probably going to pass.
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    #48 Post by Jeff_M. » February 6th, 2020, 9:28 am

    Frank Z wrote:
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    Just got an email stating I've been moved to the active list. Is demand really that low for Schrader since the sell to Constellation?
    Probably yes, that and price increases over time.
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    #49 Post by J Cangiano » February 6th, 2020, 9:43 am

    Same here, signed up for the list maybe a year or two maximum. Most likely a pass.
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    #50 Post by Matt A » February 6th, 2020, 9:55 am

    Same email.
    I wonder if a lot of people passed on their allocation this year.....that and quantities in 2018 were up.

    I understand why people have bitterness toward constellation brand.....but I will buying. TRB at the helm with access to stellar fruit in a stellar year. Yes please.

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