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Balanced, non fruit bomb cabernets?

#1 Post by Patrick OMalley » December 5th, 2019, 2:04 pm

I recently had a Heitz Napa Cabernet which I really enjoyed, much more than other California cabs I have tried. In doing limited research I have found that this is made in a "balanced, old Napa style". I am not totally sure what that means, so I am hoping for some help for a newbie. What other wineries, vintages etc, should I look to try that would be on the style of Heitz.

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#2 Post by Mark Y » December 5th, 2019, 2:07 pm

70s/80s (even some 90s)
Ridge Montebello
Diamond Creek (any)
Heitz Martha's
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#3 Post by DanielP » December 5th, 2019, 2:09 pm

In the same price range,

Gramercy Cellars (WA) Columbia Valley Cabernet

Smith Madrone Spring Mountain Napa Cabernet
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#4 Post by Billy Norris » December 5th, 2019, 2:11 pm

Mount Eden estate Cabernet from pretty much any vintage. Corison ticks those boxes year after year as well.

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#5 Post by John Morris » December 5th, 2019, 2:16 pm

I would add Mt. Veeder.

If you scroll this thread from a couple of months ago, Napa Cab under $100, you'll find recommendations with a description of their styles.
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#6 Post by Patrick OMalley » December 5th, 2019, 2:20 pm

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I would add Mt. Veeder.

If you scroll this thread from a couple of months ago, Napa Cab under $100, you'll find recommendations with a description of their styles.
Thanks, I will check it out

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#7 Post by Hank Victor » December 5th, 2019, 2:31 pm

Ceritas, Peter Martin Ray Vineyard, Cabernet Sauvignon. Coming from Santa Cruz Mountains and exactly what you're looking for. Usually direct to consumer only but a few retailers have small amounts available which you can find through wine-searcher.com
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#8 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » December 5th, 2019, 2:40 pm

Frog’s Leap.

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#9 Post by Chris Seiber » December 5th, 2019, 2:50 pm

Of course, Bordeaux is a great place to buy cabernets, merlots and blends which are in a less ripe and sweet style. Australia as well. You didn't literally say you were looking for Napa or California, though it kind of sounded like you are, so I don't know if you're interested in going down those roads.

Otherwise, good suggestions above: Mount Eden, Ridge (their Estate Cabernet is around $50 and very balanced), Frog's Leap.

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#10 Post by Andrew Gold » December 5th, 2019, 3:21 pm

I'm on the hunt generally for the same stuff and would second/third Corison and Mt Eden (both estate and domaine are nice in my experience).

I have less experience as of yet, but have also been pointed towards Togni and their Tanbark Hill site as possible hits.

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#11 Post by Jason T » December 5th, 2019, 3:35 pm

Chateau Montelena
Togni
70’s Clos du Val
70’s/80’s/90’s Mayacamas
Corison
I’d say Dunn is “balanced” but it’s a bit of a tannic beast until maturity.
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#12 Post by Howard Cooper » December 5th, 2019, 3:38 pm

Certainly, I agree with a lot of the above - Ridge, Montelena, Mount Eden, Togni, Mayacamas, for example.

Another one I would throw into the mix is Stony Hill.
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#13 Post by Larry Stein » December 5th, 2019, 4:07 pm

Ridge Estate Cab. These are the lots that don't go into the Monte Bello bottling. It's also $65, not $150-$200. However, like Monte Bello, it can definitely stand some time in the cellar.

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#14 Post by Ed Steinway » December 5th, 2019, 5:38 pm

+1 on Frog's Leap and Ridge Estate. I would also add Keenan, which is not quite old school, but balanced.

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#15 Post by Joe Chanley » December 5th, 2019, 6:11 pm

Corison and matthiasson and Smith madrone

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#16 Post by Nathan Smyth » December 5th, 2019, 6:38 pm

I've never had the Heitz Napa, but Free Wine-Searcher indicates that it's a $45 to $60 wine in recent vintages.

If you're interested in tight, green, light-bodied mountain fruit, then try this one.

My understanding is that it's a "stencil" of a rather famous wine; it's certainly quite tasty, and it's priced very aggressively [vis-a-vis what it would cost if it were being sold under its original label].

But it's not for the Pop-N-Pour Infanticide crowd, and you'll need to do some serious work on the oxidation side of things in order to coax it out of its shell.

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#17 Post by John Glas » December 5th, 2019, 7:32 pm

Seek the 01 Mondavi Reserve. Still can get it for a decant price.

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#18 Post by John Morris » December 5th, 2019, 9:39 pm

Jason T wrote:
December 5th, 2019, 3:35 pm
I’d say Dunn is “balanced” but it’s a bit of a tannic beast until maturity.
You think?
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#19 Post by Ethan Abraham » December 6th, 2019, 3:01 am

Ghostwriter is great. Small production but chambers in NY or flatiron in SF have it

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#20 Post by Patrick OMalley » December 6th, 2019, 4:04 am

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Of course, Bordeaux is a great place to buy cabernets, merlots and blends which are in a less ripe and sweet style. Australia as well. You didn't literally say you were looking for Napa or California, though it kind of sounded like you are, so I don't know if you're interested in going down those roads.

Otherwise, good suggestions above: Mount Eden, Ridge (their Estate Cabernet is around $50 and very balanced), Frog's Leap.
You read my mind. I was going to edit my post to ask if Bordeaux would be a better option for me. Can I get decent Bordeaux drinkable now for a similar price? Any recommendations are appreciated, it seems like there are more Bordeaux options than California Cabs . Thanks for all the responses so far.

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#21 Post by Jonathan Sirot » December 6th, 2019, 4:29 am

I don't know if the list is full or not, but get on the list or waitlist for Ketan Mody's Beta Cabs. They are around $90 and in my opinion punch above their weight class. Big dark fruit but nice and dry and restrained in alcohol and ripeness. Just opened a 2012 last weekend and it showed beautifully. and will only get better. With a slightly riper, but still well balanced profile, the William and Mary is a great wine also. A mailing list wine also, but you will find a little at retail on the west coast.

Oh and also a name that is very well regarded but does not get a ton of attention form the board is Kathryn Kennedy Cabernet from Santa Cruz mountains. In my opinion every but as good as the more recognized Ridge in that area.

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#22 Post by Brian Gilp » December 6th, 2019, 4:40 am

Ethan Abraham wrote:
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Ghostwriter is great. Small production but chambers in NY or flatiron in SF have it
I have in the past ordered directly from Kenny and Lynn. Contact info on the Hobo contact page https://www.hobowines.com/pages/contact

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#23 Post by dave kammerer » December 6th, 2019, 7:35 am

Dehlinger cabs are excellent in the style you prefer and very reasonable.

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#24 Post by Jay Miller » December 6th, 2019, 7:40 am

Lots of good suggestions. I'll add Scherrer Cabernets to the list as well.
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#25 Post by Chris Seiber » December 6th, 2019, 10:09 am

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December 6th, 2019, 4:04 am
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Of course, Bordeaux is a great place to buy cabernets, merlots and blends which are in a less ripe and sweet style. Australia as well. You didn't literally say you were looking for Napa or California, though it kind of sounded like you are, so I don't know if you're interested in going down those roads.

Otherwise, good suggestions above: Mount Eden, Ridge (their Estate Cabernet is around $50 and very balanced), Frog's Leap.
You read my mind. I was going to edit my post to ask if Bordeaux would be a better option for me. Can I get decent Bordeaux drinkable now for a similar price? Any recommendations are appreciated, it seems like there are more Bordeaux options than California Cabs . Thanks for all the responses so far.
I don't know if it's a "better" option, but it's a very good option. Certainly worth looking into, given what you seem to be looking for.

The prevailing opinion on this board will steer you towards the most traditional, less ripe, less oaked Bordeaux, and bemoan that fewer and fewer Bordeaux are in that style. But I would guess if you're used to drinking Napa, you'll find most current Bordeaux to be closer to the "balanced non-fruit bomb" character you seek, without having to seek the subcategory of most traditional Bordeaux. Plus, what is now more mainstream Bordeaux is more approachable at younger ages, without needing to buy old bottles or buy current ones and age them for decades.

I'm not sure how much you know about Bordeaux. Broadly speaking, you can divide it into Left Bank (including the appellations Margaux, Pauillac, Saint Julien, Saint Estephe, Pessac Leognan, Graves and the Haut Medoc), which are cabernet blends but are usually predominantly cabernet, and Right Bank (most notably St. Emilion and Pomerol, also Bourg and Blaye), which are usually primarily merlot. Though if you have the idea of merlot being soft and fruity cougar juice, that's not at all what Right Bank Bordeaux is like, and you probably wouldn't want to skip it those based on assumptions. The Right Bank wines will have plenty of the character you like in California cabs, and tend to be a little better value for the dollar and able to be enjoyed at a younger age.

The other big thing to remember in Bordeaux is that pricing, quality and style are heavily vintage-dependent, far more so than California. The exact same wine from 2013 (regarded as a cooler, lesser vintage) may cost half what that producer's 2015 or 2016 (regarded as excellent, riper vintages) costs. And be quite a different type of wine. But the good news is that in strong vintages like 2015 and 2016, there tend to be a lot of great buys at lower price points, as less prestigious producers and plots of land produce very good wines. One of the consistently best places for value in the world of wine is $15-40 Bordeaux from great vintages like 2010, 2015 and 2016.

Two questions: (1) what price range are you looking for, and (2) what types of wine stores do you have near you for shopping? Those pieces of information will help me and others make specific suggestions for you.

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#26 Post by Jeff Vaughan » December 6th, 2019, 10:16 am

Larry Stein wrote:
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Ridge Estate Cab. These are the lots that don't go into the Monte Bello bottling. It's also $65, not $150-$200. However, like Monte Bello, it can definitely stand some time in the cellar.
We opened a 2010 of this a week or so ago and I was pleasantly surprised that it was not a fruit bomb, nor too oaky. We very rarely buy CA wine anymore, but I am going to start to buy a few more of these. I am glad they are going to participate in WB day.
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#28 Post by PeterH » December 6th, 2019, 10:53 am

Gramercy was mentioned above. Avennia, Andrew Will, Betz, Cadence and Leonetti are all on par. Plenty of other Washington State Cabs are worth exploring; Double Back, Januik, Seven Hills, Spring Valley are a few.

A large percentage of WA winemakers have been habitually over using oak, so you do need to take care. Most of the Cabs are not as ripe and plush as the Napa counterparts, so in that way they are more traditional. Vintage matters.

Recently I've tasted samples from winemakers who I wouldn't otherwise recommend who have reined in their style.
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#29 Post by Patrick OMalley » December 6th, 2019, 11:06 am

Chris Seiber wrote:
December 6th, 2019, 10:09 am
Patrick OMalley wrote:
December 6th, 2019, 4:04 am
Chris Seiber wrote:
December 5th, 2019, 2:50 pm
Of course, Bordeaux is a great place to buy cabernets, merlots and blends which are in a less ripe and sweet style. Australia as well. You didn't literally say you were looking for Napa or California, though it kind of sounded like you are, so I don't know if you're interested in going down those roads.

Otherwise, good suggestions above: Mount Eden, Ridge (their Estate Cabernet is around $50 and very balanced), Frog's Leap.
You read my mind. I was going to edit my post to ask if Bordeaux would be a better option for me. Can I get decent Bordeaux drinkable now for a similar price? Any recommendations are appreciated, it seems like there are more Bordeaux options than California Cabs . Thanks for all the responses so far.
I don't know if it's a "better" option, but it's a very good option. Certainly worth looking into, given what you seem to be looking for.

The prevailing opinion on this board will steer you towards the most traditional, less ripe, less oaked Bordeaux, and bemoan that fewer and fewer Bordeaux are in that style. But I would guess if you're used to drinking Napa, you'll find most current Bordeaux to be closer to the "balanced non-fruit bomb" character you seek, without having to seek the subcategory of most traditional Bordeaux. Plus, what is now more mainstream Bordeaux is more approachable at younger ages, without needing to buy old bottles or buy current ones and age them for decades.

I'm not sure how much you know about Bordeaux. Broadly speaking, you can divide it into Left Bank (including the appellations Margaux, Pauillac, Saint Julien, Saint Estephe, Pessac Leognan, Graves and the Haut Medoc), which are cabernet blends but are usually predominantly cabernet, and Right Bank (most notably St. Emilion and Pomerol, also Bourg and Blaye), which are usually primarily merlot. Though if you have the idea of merlot being soft and fruity cougar juice, that's not at all what Right Bank Bordeaux is like, and you probably wouldn't want to skip it those based on assumptions. The Right Bank wines will have plenty of the character you like in California cabs, and tend to be a little better value for the dollar and able to be enjoyed at a younger age.

The other big thing to remember in Bordeaux is that pricing, quality and style are heavily vintage-dependent, far more so than California. The exact same wine from 2013 (regarded as a cooler, lesser vintage) may cost half what that producer's 2015 or 2016 (regarded as excellent, riper vintages) costs. And be quite a different type of wine. But the good news is that in strong vintages like 2015 and 2016, there tend to be a lot of great buys at lower price points, as less prestigious producers and plots of land produce very good wines. One of the consistently best places for value in the world of wine is $15-40 Bordeaux from great vintages like 2010, 2015 and 2016.

Two questions: (1) what price range are you looking for, and (2) what types of wine stores do you have near you for shopping? Those pieces of information will help me and others make specific suggestions for you.
Thanks for the response. Until I decide what I do and don't like as far as the different regions, I definitely don't want to spend more than $50 and would love to stay in the $15-$40 range you mentioned. That would allow me to try more options since I am a newbie. A $15 St. Emillion for example, if there is such a thing, would let me know whether I enjoyed it enough to try a $30 bottle or a $50 and so on. The same thought process goes into my search for Napa Cabs but my experience is I don't like any of them that are $15-$40.

As for stores, I have a small wine shop that I spend way too much money at which is big on Italian wines and cheaper US wines to cater to the market and the Total Wine. Thanks for your help

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#30 Post by PeterH » December 6th, 2019, 11:12 am

The time to buy good Napa Cabs for $15-$40 was twenty years ago. Unfortunately, even in Washington the wines in that category are likely to be mass produced and somewhat artificial. You might find Seven Hills, Soos Creek and a few others at the upper end of that range.*
If tariffs don't spoil the soup, Bordeaux is probably the best place to look.

I occurred to me that you should try Cadence "Coda", not pure Cab.
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#31 Post by Patrick OMalley » December 6th, 2019, 11:23 am

Jeff Vaughan wrote:
December 6th, 2019, 10:16 am
Larry Stein wrote:
December 5th, 2019, 4:07 pm
Ridge Estate Cab. These are the lots that don't go into the Monte Bello bottling. It's also $65, not $150-$200. However, like Monte Bello, it can definitely stand some time in the cellar.
We opened a 2010 of this a week or so ago and I was pleasantly surprised that it was not a fruit bomb, nor too oaky. We very rarely buy CA wine anymore, but I am going to start to buy a few more of these. I am glad they are going to participate in WB day.
I have to get most of my wine from Total. I am picking up a bottle of the Ridge Estate this weekend. The vintage they have is 2016. Will that be too young to drink now? Decant for an hour? I wish I had more shopping options.

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#32 Post by Alex N » December 6th, 2019, 11:27 am

I think Drinkward Pechon falls a bit in between. Definitely not a fruit or oak bomb and I'd put it arguably in the top 5 list of my personal favorite cabs under $100.
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#33 Post by Brian Gilp » December 6th, 2019, 11:35 am

In that price range try to Calluna Vineyard Cuvee if you can find one locally. It is not cabernet but a blend that is generally 50%+ merlot with other bordeaux grapes comprising the rest. Calluna has participated in past berserker days and if they do this year that may be an option to get some at a good price. I love all their wines but the others are I believe over your price target.

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#34 Post by Chris Seiber » December 6th, 2019, 11:35 am

Patrick OMalley wrote:
December 6th, 2019, 11:23 am
Jeff Vaughan wrote:
December 6th, 2019, 10:16 am
Larry Stein wrote:
December 5th, 2019, 4:07 pm
Ridge Estate Cab. These are the lots that don't go into the Monte Bello bottling. It's also $65, not $150-$200. However, like Monte Bello, it can definitely stand some time in the cellar.
We opened a 2010 of this a week or so ago and I was pleasantly surprised that it was not a fruit bomb, nor too oaky. We very rarely buy CA wine anymore, but I am going to start to buy a few more of these. I am glad they are going to participate in WB day.
I have to get most of my wine from Total. I am picking up a bottle of the Ridge Estate this weekend. The vintage they have is 2016. Will that be too young to drink now? Decant for an hour? I wish I had more shopping options.
That's an excellent choice. It's an ageworthy wine, but one you can drink young just fine too. An hour or longer decant might be good, but I doubt it's essential. I'll be quite interested to hear what you think.

Total Wine's strongest suit is Bordeaux. There should be great options for you. I'll browse their inventory at some point and make a few suggestion - I'm sure others can as well.

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#35 Post by Wes Barton » December 6th, 2019, 12:40 pm

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#36 Post by Jeff Vaughan » December 6th, 2019, 1:02 pm

Patrick OMalley wrote:
December 6th, 2019, 11:23 am
Jeff Vaughan wrote:
December 6th, 2019, 10:16 am
Larry Stein wrote:
December 5th, 2019, 4:07 pm
Ridge Estate Cab. These are the lots that don't go into the Monte Bello bottling. It's also $65, not $150-$200. However, like Monte Bello, it can definitely stand some time in the cellar.
We opened a 2010 of this a week or so ago and I was pleasantly surprised that it was not a fruit bomb, nor too oaky. We very rarely buy CA wine anymore, but I am going to start to buy a few more of these. I am glad they are going to participate in WB day.
I have to get most of my wine from Total. I am picking up a bottle of the Ridge Estate this weekend. The vintage they have is 2016. Will that be too young to drink now? Decant for an hour? I wish I had more shopping options.
Patrick, there are others on here that know a lot more about Ridge and when to drink them than I do. I thought the 10 was drinking fine, but was still on the younger side. For my tastes, I suspect the 16 would be too young. It depends on how you like your wine. I need to pick up a few there or at State Line in Elkton.
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#37 Post by David Glasser » December 6th, 2019, 9:36 pm

Patrick, if you go the Bordeaux route, avoid 2013. Most of them suck. 2014 is a less ripe/sweet year. 2015 and 2016 are riper, with 2016 being a bit fresher/crisper. 2015 being rounder and more forward but not in the fruit bomb category if you avoid the modern St Emilions. I’d try 2014 as a starter. Lanessan, Meyney, Poujeaux, Haut Bailly are all worth a go depending on your budget.

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#38 Post by Andrew Demaree » December 6th, 2019, 10:57 pm

Reach out to John Ruston at Ruston Family Vineyards. They make several cab blends, most of which are under $50. They taste like California wines, but are not unbalanced fruit bombs by any stretch.

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#39 Post by F.Daner » December 7th, 2019, 4:22 am

+1 on these and they should be pretty accessable in the market place. Frogs Leap is also a great spot to visit.

Long Meadow Ranch is another good one and excellent price point if you join their wine club.
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#40 Post by Merrill Lindquist » December 7th, 2019, 4:52 am

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I think Drinkward Pechon falls a bit in between. Definitely not a fruit or oak bomb and I'd put it arguably in the top 5 list of my personal favorite cabs under $100.
I had the 2014 last night at an industry event, and it was delicious. Straightforward, integrated, beautiful wine.
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Re: Balanced, non fruit bomb cabernets?

#41 Post by Patrick OMalley » December 7th, 2019, 5:01 am

Lots of great suggestions so far and a lot of great knowledge shared, Thank you! One of the biggest issues I see and I am sure it is the same for everyone, is availability. So many of the suggestions are not available at stores in Florida. I have only one experience in ordering from other dealers and having things shipped to Florida. I placed my first order last week from Elden Selections but haven't received it yet. I will have to start researching other retailers/distributors to find ones with better availability than what I can get from Total.

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#43 Post by Kirk.Grant » December 7th, 2019, 6:26 am

It's been about a decade since I visited the winery, but I thought White Rock did a very good job of providing balanced, elegant, and "old world-esque" Napa Cabs. They're a producer when I taste others on the wine blind they often are stuck with a bit of a flip-flop noting they think it's either Bordeaux or an "old school Napa producer".
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#44 Post by dcornutt » December 7th, 2019, 7:28 am

If money is not brought into the equasion, I love what Spottswoode was doing. I haven't had the last 2 vintages. These are so balanced and delicious.

The best of the rest to me are Mount Eden and Ridge.

I like what Corison does but not as much as Mount Eden or Ridge Estate (or Montebello)

Old ones would be a larger list.

I am going to have to try Frogs Leap.
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#45 Post by Ben M a n d l e r » December 8th, 2019, 12:00 am

Lots of good suggestions above, and though many of them are outside your preferred price range, hopefully the reference is useful. But there is plenty of good cab in the $15-40 range. Mt Veeder is $35 at Total Wine. Sometimes they even carry Ridge’s Estate Cab for under $50 (or at least they used to) which is a steal.

You may get some good mileage out of Coonawarra cabs from Australia. Wynns black label is a perennial star at the $30 price point. Parker is good for $25. And Jim Barry’s The Cover Drive overdelivers for $15. From South Africa, Rustenberg’s John X Merriman should be under $20 and very nice.

Bordeaux has plenty for you, too, but to start you can get d’Armailhac for under $50 at Total Wine with coupons.
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#46 Post by Scott Brunson » December 8th, 2019, 3:54 am

Andrew Demaree wrote:
December 6th, 2019, 10:57 pm
Reach out to John Ruston at Ruston Family Vineyards. They make several cab blends, most of which are under $50. They taste like California wines, but are not unbalanced fruit bombs by any stretch.
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#47 Post by Michael Feldman » December 8th, 2019, 5:56 am

Look to Sonoma for wineries that produce Cabernets that may match the style of wine that you are looking for. Better QPRs also! Sonoma suggestions given so far are great but there are many more! A. Rafanelli or any Sonoma side Mayacamas mountain cabernet comes to mind.

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#48 Post by F.Daner » December 8th, 2019, 6:19 am

B-21 in state is a great option but many of the wineries mentioned will ship directly to Florida.

Ruston, Frogs Leap, Calluna( Sonoma) and other now reguarly ship here. We have an open window now till April other than potential cold fronts out west.
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Lots of great suggestions so far and a lot of great knowledge shared, Thank you! One of the biggest issues I see and I am sure it is the same for everyone, is availability. So many of the suggestions are not available at stores in Florida. I have only one experience in ordering from other dealers and having things shipped to Florida. I placed my first order last week from Elden Selections but haven't received it yet. I will have to start researching other retailers/distributors to find ones with better availability than what I can get from Total.
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#49 Post by Chris Seiber » December 8th, 2019, 8:12 am

Ben M a n d l e r wrote:
December 8th, 2019, 12:00 am
From South Africa, Rustenberg’s John X Merriman should be under $20 and very nice.
I think this is usually in the $20s, but it’s an excellent value and choice. Great mixture of old world styling with some new world fruit.

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#50 Post by Kris Patten » December 8th, 2019, 9:56 am

CALIFORNIA
Hess Mt. Veeder
Clos du Val
Jordan
Silver Oak
J. Lohr Hilltop
Simi Landslide
Flora Springs
Trinchero Cloud's Nest
Antica

AUSTRALIA
Leeuwin from Margaret River
Penley Phoenix
d'Arenberg Coppermine


Lots of versions that don't get all spoofy, but vintage matters too, sometimes vintage matters over winemaker/winery.
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