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#1 Post by J. Rock » December 3rd, 2019, 8:38 pm

Since I know everyone here loves wine critics and their rankings deadhorse , what does everyone think of Dunnuck's Top 100 of 2019? https://jebdunnuck.com/2019/12/top-100-wines-of-2019/

I think he shares a love for big red wines that I do, and I've really enjoyed the wines I've had on this list, but I feel that his preference (or what he reviews) is very narrow, at least judging from this list. It's hard for me to put too much faith in any top 100 list that completely omits Riesling.
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#2 Post by Kris Patten » December 3rd, 2019, 8:58 pm

I don't think Jeb covers Mosel or Alsace to be fair and WA or CA Riesling, regions he reviews, shouldn't be on this list
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#3 Post by Mark Maddox » December 3rd, 2019, 9:10 pm

Well it is his Top 100 Red Wine list so maybe he didn’t like any of the red Rieslings he tried this year. [berserker.gif]

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#4 Post by J. Rock » December 3rd, 2019, 9:13 pm

Mark Maddox wrote:
December 3rd, 2019, 9:10 pm
Well it is his Top 100 Red Wine list so maybe he didn’t like any of the red Rieslings he tried this year. [berserker.gif]
Whoops, you're right! The one lighthearted thing I said to kind get the conversation going only proves that I cannot, in fact, read!

... allllthough, on his homepage and in the URL, the list is entitled "Top 100 Wines of 2019," so I'm sure he just went back and changed the title after seeing my little Riesling jab... [oops.gif]
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#5 Post by GregT » December 3rd, 2019, 9:42 pm

Hey it's smart marketing. You get two top 100 lists! One for whites, one for reds.

And then you get the super duper top of the top 100 list - the best off both lists.

Not that it really matters. It's almost a random list. Some of the wines are pretty good IMO, some not so much. I guess everyone has a top 100 list out now. There should be a forum for everyone on WB to set up their top 100.
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#6 Post by Jason T » December 3rd, 2019, 9:49 pm

GregT wrote:
December 3rd, 2019, 9:42 pm
There should be a forum for everyone on WB to set up their top 100.
Please no.

Wait, I can safely ignore it. Never mind, do as you wish.
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#7 Post by P Intag » December 3rd, 2019, 9:50 pm

Have only had his #14 Ronan By Clinet, which I found to be extremely over-oaked. He lists it at $30 but I only paid $12/bottle. He also has quite of few modern St. Emilion on this list - does he have a preference for oaky reds?
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#8 Post by PeterH » December 3rd, 2019, 10:16 pm

There are many wines on the list that I like, and more than a few that I've purchased, but I'd never use Jeb Dunnuk as a buying guide. I wish we could go back to reading wine writers choices as suggestions, not ratings. It took me a long time to accept that letting someone else judge wines for me is a break even game at the very best, and usually not that good.
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#9 Post by Kirk.Grant » December 4th, 2019, 4:45 am

For me, this really highlights how rarely his palate & mine align. The fact that he'd make a "Top 100 Red Wine" list is just silly to me. However, he's also out there making a living following his passion, so kudos to him for that.
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#10 Post by YLee » December 4th, 2019, 4:59 am

He has DDC listed as 2x more than normal price. Strange
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#11 Post by K John Joseph » December 4th, 2019, 7:03 am

I'd like a comparative analysis of his list's average listed ABV to that of WS, WE, JS, etc.
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#12 Post by brigcampbell » December 4th, 2019, 7:39 am

P Intag wrote:
December 3rd, 2019, 9:50 pm
Have only had his #14 Ronan By Clinet, which I found to be extremely over-oaked. He lists it at $30 but I only paid $12/bottle. He also has quite of few modern St. Emilion on this list - does he have a preference for oaky reds?
Maybe he'll pop in here and comment. He's seems like a really good guy based on comments from lots of people that know him and he's a berserker by any measure.

He seems to enjoy the bigger style wines, clearly, so he's a good barometer for people after that style.

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#13 Post by Brandon R » December 4th, 2019, 9:48 am

This thread is classic Berserker! I saw the list and have had very few of the wines. I was surprised that there were relatively few Washington reds on there, as he seems to really like them.
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#14 Post by S. Rash » December 4th, 2019, 10:56 am

I take in to account JD's reviews over every other wine critic! I have found over time that his palate is very similar to mine.
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#15 Post by Barry P » December 4th, 2019, 11:08 am

J. Rock wrote:
December 3rd, 2019, 8:38 pm
...what does everyone think...
I think this reflects the law of ever increasing grade inflation.
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#16 Post by J. Rock » December 4th, 2019, 11:21 am

P Intag wrote:
December 3rd, 2019, 9:50 pm
Have only had his #14 Ronan By Clinet, which I found to be extremely over-oaked. He lists it at $30 but I only paid $12/bottle. He also has quite of few modern St. Emilion on this list - does he have a preference for oaky reds?
I imagine he doesn't lookup the lowest price for every wine on Wine-Searcher, and instead just notes the list price or the price from the winery.

I often see him praise a lot of big Paso Robles reds, which are often treated with a good amount of new oak, but not necessarily. One of the wines on the list that I'm familiar with and really enjoy is 2016 Epoch Veracity, which is "aged 17 months: 28% in concrete tulip and the balance in French oak barrels and puncheons (32% new)."
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#17 Post by Gray G » December 4th, 2019, 11:36 am

I like the list, thanks
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#18 Post by Joe B » December 4th, 2019, 12:06 pm

Well, Realm the Bard should have been in the top 10 not #36
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#19 Post by Claus Jeppesen » December 4th, 2019, 12:19 pm

Anyone like No 1?
Wife does
Bet Alferts wife does too
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#20 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » December 4th, 2019, 2:38 pm

Claus Jeppesen wrote:
December 4th, 2019, 12:19 pm
Anyone like No 1?
Wife does
Bet Alferts wife does too
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#21 Post by Lee Short » December 4th, 2019, 5:59 pm

Kirk.Grant wrote:
December 4th, 2019, 4:45 am
For me, this really highlights how rarely his palate & mine align. The fact that he'd make a "Top 100 Red Wine" list is just silly to me. However, he's also out there making a living following his passion, so kudos to him for that.
Totally in sync with the bolded part.

But that's exactly why I think the list has value, rather than being silly. It's a great way to get quick read on a reviewer's palate, and see if you're interested in following them.

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#22 Post by Brandon R » December 5th, 2019, 7:50 am

If I was a professional wine reviewer and, in addition to keeping my reputation in high regard as a critic, I wanted to actually make some money and drive clicks and subscriptions...what WOULDN'T I have a Top 100 or something like it? It makes perfect sense to me, from a purely business standpoint.
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#23 Post by Paul Jaouen » December 5th, 2019, 7:54 am

I think one of the reviewers should post their Bottom 100 list. We could have a lot of fun with that.
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#24 Post by Gray G » December 5th, 2019, 8:20 am

Brandon R wrote:
December 5th, 2019, 7:50 am
If I was a professional wine reviewer and, in addition to keeping my reputation in high regard as a critic, I wanted to actually make some money and drive clicks and subscriptions...what WOULDN'T I have a Top 100 or something like it? It makes perfect sense to me, from a purely business standpoint.
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#25 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » December 5th, 2019, 8:22 am

Gray G wrote:
December 5th, 2019, 8:20 am
Brandon R wrote:
December 5th, 2019, 7:50 am
If I was a professional wine reviewer and, in addition to keeping my reputation in high regard as a critic, I wanted to actually make some money and drive clicks and subscriptions...what WOULDN'T I have a Top 100 or something like it? It makes perfect sense to me, from a purely business standpoint.
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#26 Post by Lee Bogdanoff » December 5th, 2019, 8:27 am

The 2016 Sansonnet is an unbelievable value-- rich, dark, complex, beautiful nose. I liked it better than the 2009 Pontet Canet (and I liked that wine plenty). I respect reviewers who are willing to rate highly a less expensive wine, when merited. Galloni also rated this wine highly.

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#27 Post by markjchambers » December 5th, 2019, 9:35 am

I like the list, too. It’s fairly cohesive. Interesting that there seems to be zero intersection between his list and WS top 100. I assume he is using some combination of scores, value and availability to make his ranking. But several wines on the list are allocated and hard to come by.

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#28 Post by Claus Jeppesen » December 5th, 2019, 10:51 am

Lee Bogdanoff wrote:
December 5th, 2019, 8:27 am
The 2016 Sansonnet is an unbelievable value-- rich, dark, complex, beautiful nose. I liked it better than the 2009 Pontet Canet (and I liked that wine plenty). I respect reviewers who are willing to rate highly a less expensive wine, when merited. Galloni also rated this wine highly.
I agree it is very cheap. In a designed bottle
My wife likes it.
But it does not possess any greenish flavors.......
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#29 Post by Brandon R » December 5th, 2019, 10:56 am

Claus Jeppesen wrote:
December 5th, 2019, 10:51 am
Lee Bogdanoff wrote:
December 5th, 2019, 8:27 am
The 2016 Sansonnet is an unbelievable value-- rich, dark, complex, beautiful nose. I liked it better than the 2009 Pontet Canet (and I liked that wine plenty). I respect reviewers who are willing to rate highly a less expensive wine, when merited. Galloni also rated this wine highly.
I agree it is very cheap. In a designed bottle
My wife likes it.
But it does not possess any greenish flavors.......
Based on where I'm seeing it in W-S, it appears the distributor is on the East Coast. I only see NY and DC as having any. Darn.
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#30 Post by Nathan Smyth » December 5th, 2019, 12:11 pm

In my experience, Dunnuck has the best relationships with the "micro-importers" whom you've never heard of.

I strongly agreed with his opinion of the 2015 reds from the Southern Rhone, but the 2016 Southern Rhone reds were uniformly so powerful & unyielding that I couldn't swallow them [not even after oxidizing them for a week].

Up in the Northern Rhone, 2016 is also proving to be quite a blowsy vintage, and I have no idea what to make of those wines [especially their potential for cellaring, which is a complete mystery to me].
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#31 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » December 5th, 2019, 1:59 pm

#10 says everything you need to know about the list. At least he doesn’t recommend it with sushi.

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#32 Post by John Glas » December 5th, 2019, 2:08 pm

[quoteNot that it really matters. It's almost a random list. Some of the wines are pretty good IMO, some not so much. I guess everyone has a top 100 list out now. There should be a forum for everyone on WB to set up their top 100.][/quote]I just do a top 10. So much less work than a top 100. champagne.gif

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#33 Post by Rich Brown » December 6th, 2019, 8:10 am

Think the only zin-based wine is the Geyserville. Seems like a massive miss

*says the guy who drinks more zin than probably any other varietal

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#34 Post by Tom Lee » December 6th, 2019, 10:34 am

Rich Brown wrote:
December 6th, 2019, 8:10 am
Think the only zin-based wine is the Geyserville. Seems like a massive miss

*says the guy who drinks more zin than probably any other varietal
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#35 Post by Rich Brown » December 6th, 2019, 9:42 pm

Tom Lee wrote:
December 6th, 2019, 10:34 am
Rich Brown wrote:
December 6th, 2019, 8:10 am
Think the only zin-based wine is the Geyserville. Seems like a massive miss

*says the guy who drinks more zin than probably any other varietal
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#36 Post by Howard Cooper » December 7th, 2019, 2:52 am

Paul Jaouen wrote:
December 5th, 2019, 7:54 am
I think one of the reviewers should post their Bottom 100 list. We could have a lot of fun with that.
John Gilman used to do articles on what he called roadkill. He evtually discontinued them. Probably included a number of wines on the top 100 lists of others.
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#37 Post by Mattstolz » December 7th, 2019, 5:30 am

what I never understand about these lists is this:

how does a wine that the same person who is making the list gave 96 points beat the wine right below it he gave 99 points to? and then somehow the first 100 point wine on the list isn't till 38? seems like a pretty good argument that either the list or the point system is messed up if a 100 point wine doesn't even make it into the top 30.

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#38 Post by Jim Clary » December 7th, 2019, 5:46 am

Matt - isn’t some of the criteria for ranking based on relative value? For example, the 99 point wine you reference may cost $300, while the 96 point wine costs $50, thus meriting a higher place on the list.
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#39 Post by Johan R » December 7th, 2019, 6:12 am

Jim Clary wrote:
December 7th, 2019, 5:46 am
Matt - isn’t some of the criteria for ranking based on relative value? For example, the 99 point wine you reference may cost $300, while the 96 point wine costs $50, thus meriting a higher place on the list.
You would think that but then there are two 99 point wines at 4 & 5 for exempel, where the #4 costs 66% more than the #5. And this pantern repeats itself so I really struggle to understand the ranking.
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#40 Post by Mattstolz » December 7th, 2019, 8:00 am

Jim Clary wrote:
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Matt - isn’t some of the criteria for ranking based on relative value? For example, the 99 point wine you reference may cost $300, while the 96 point wine costs $50, thus meriting a higher place on the list.
i think my argument is less with the list itself, but more with the points. IMO, if i give a wine 100 points, it wouldnt matter how much value another wine has when im making my top of the year list. a wine i believe merits 100 points does so because it is perfect. how could another wine ever outrank a perfect wine, regardless of what kind of value it offers? seems ridiculous to even consider it.

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#41 Post by Bill Gibbs » December 7th, 2019, 1:52 pm

Jeb says:
The selection is based on a combination of overall quality, price, availability, and a little bit of Wow Factor, and was made by scrolling through over 10,400 reviews (which is a record number of reviews in 12 months for yours truly) and painstakingly cutting the list to these 100 wines
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So an unavailable wine would not rank I guess.

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#42 Post by Rich Brown » December 7th, 2019, 4:30 pm

Bill Gibbs wrote:
December 7th, 2019, 1:52 pm
Jeb says:
The selection is based on a combination of overall quality, price, availability, and a little bit of Wow Factor, and was made by scrolling through over 10,400 reviews (which is a record number of reviews in 12 months for yours truly) and painstakingly cutting the list to these 100 wines
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So an unavailable wine would not rank I guess.
That's it's exactly it. The 'wow factor'. I remember Wine Spectator using something similar to explain how one with with the same score as another at a similar price point could be ranked higher. Think they call it the 'X Factor'

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#43 Post by Kris Patten » December 7th, 2019, 11:16 pm

Rich Brown wrote:
December 7th, 2019, 4:30 pm
Bill Gibbs wrote:
December 7th, 2019, 1:52 pm
Jeb says:
The selection is based on a combination of overall quality, price, availability, and a little bit of Wow Factor, and was made by scrolling through over 10,400 reviews (which is a record number of reviews in 12 months for yours truly) and painstakingly cutting the list to these 100 wines
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So an unavailable wine would not rank I guess.
That's it's exactly it. The 'wow factor'. I remember Wine Spectator using something similar to explain how one with with the same score as another at a similar price point could be ranked higher. Think they call it the 'X Factor'
29 wines a day on average over the course of every day in a year is a wow factor.
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#44 Post by A Songeur » December 8th, 2019, 12:51 am

... so most wines are 2016 and 2017.... he likes his wines alcoholic, young, fruity and tannic... Burgundy does not get much love... and I most probably won't have any of these wines...
I would bet many of these wines are above 14.5 degrees of alcohol so these should not get the 25% duty...
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#45 Post by Jim Clary » December 8th, 2019, 7:10 am

I think it’s a very demanding job. Hats off to those who can do it and do it well, which definitely in my book includes Jeb. I really enjoy his work.

I can’t imagine trying to come up with a top 100 list. It’s very subjective, and offers great fodder for internet discussions like this one.
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#46 Post by Jim Brennan » December 8th, 2019, 9:31 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
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I generally do not like these lists (purely selfish reasons), but for critics and retailers - and for some buyers - they are great.
I don't like these lists for precisely this reason... They aren't about or for consumers. If anything, they actually have an adverse impact for consumers, in some cases causing prices to inflate and people to chase wines that have already sold through.

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#47 Post by J. Rock » December 8th, 2019, 9:37 am

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... so most wines are 2016 and 2017.... he likes his wines alcoholic, young
I think they are 2016s and 2017s because it's a list of best wines released in 2019, and these were the red vintages released in 2019 by most producers.
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#48 Post by Keith Levenberg » December 9th, 2019, 8:06 am

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I think one of the reviewers should post their Bottom 100 list. We could have a lot of fun with that.
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#49 Post by GregT » December 9th, 2019, 10:26 am

Except those with the wow factor. Don't forget that.

Or maybe for the bottom wines, there's a WTF factor! That way you'd be able to have a 93 point wine be worse than a 90 point wine.
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#50 Post by Nathan Smyth » December 9th, 2019, 1:54 pm

It is biochemically impossible to make the argument that putting 10,000 different wines in your mouth every year is good for your health [in any way, shape, manner or form].

But I suppose every professional wine critic has to confront that reality and decide for himself how he's gonna deal with it.

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