TN: 1995 Chateau Magdelaine, St. Emilion - and some advisory comments for folks with more than half of a brain

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#1 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » November 26th, 2019, 6:38 pm

Evidently I do not possess that thinking half of the brain. I just see pretty things.

1. Magdelaine needs time. A lot of time. Twenty-five years is still a baby.

2. Magdelaine needs a very long decant, unless you have like a ‘66 in your possession.

3. Do not, unless you are an idiot and it’s your dumb birthday or something like that, pull a Pobega.

Yes, I grabbed one on a whim. Just finished a 14-hour day out of town on business. Came home hungry, wired, thirsty. Uncorked it, poured it, started drinking it. So uncivilized I am.

The 1995 Bordeaux vintage continues to confound me. I pop one wine, it’s spectacular. Pop another, it’s hard as nails. And then pop this one, and it still feel likes an infant. Well, a toddler. A grumpy toddler with some teething pain. With a stinky diaper.

I’ve popped a few 2000s recently, and only 1 of the 3 actually showed well. And it showed spectacularly well. Robert, look at note 1. Read it. Do you understand it? Then stop being an idiot and popping these things. The 1980s for Magdelaine are showing nice right now. You have some. Drink those, you silly boy.

So I’m on glass three of this 1995. Two hours in. It’s finally showing me some love. Red fruit, mint and some wild flowers on the nose. Lean on the palate, dry forest floor, tobacco leaf, dry red berries. Some savory, herbal notes. Dryish clipped finish with a little bitterness. Seeing Salil - a man with a golden palate - post 3 notes on CT with real 93s, not A So 93s - gives me some pause on my assessment, but I corked it up with 1/3 left for tomorrow. Right now I’m 89 points on it. Enjoyable with a fun range of notes but lacking the depth I want in a Bordeaux and having a detracting finish. I’ve not had a 1995 Magdelaine before, so perhaps a different bottle may showing better. I have another.
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#2 Post by Victor Hong » November 26th, 2019, 6:40 pm

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#3 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » November 26th, 2019, 6:45 pm

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#4 Post by Todd F r e n c h » November 26th, 2019, 6:54 pm

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#5 Post by Jeff D a v i e s » November 26th, 2019, 7:57 pm

Thanks for the note - I just burried my bottle of 2000 and 2008 that I had on the counter to try. Will move onto something else. Cheers

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#6 Post by Tom Reddick » November 26th, 2019, 9:54 pm

Thanks for the TN. FWIW, after a whole lot of Magdelaine tasting in the past year, I think the 1999 is the youngest vintage that is showing its best- but even so it has many years of life left in it.
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#7 Post by David Glasser » November 26th, 2019, 10:09 pm

I’ve had 2 bottles of the 2000 this year. Both were excellent but still on the upswing with the promise of more complexity over time.

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#8 Post by Ramon C » November 26th, 2019, 10:22 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
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3. Do not, unless you are an idiot and it’s your dumb birthday or something like that, pull a Pobega.
Might have pulled one before and didn’t know it, plus just don’t want to be an idiot in the future, but what is pulling a Pobega?
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#9 Post by Rudi Finkler » November 27th, 2019, 12:04 am

My current favorite is the sublime 1998 Magdelaine. Without doubt one of the most impressive wines I have drunk in recent years. The 1998 is an extraordinarily elegant, precise and mineral-rich, seamless Saint-Emilion - medium-bodied, perfectly matured, a wine of total subtlety and finesse!
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#10 Post by PCLIN » November 27th, 2019, 1:14 am

Opened a ‘89 last night, drink young and great.
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#11 Post by salilb » November 27th, 2019, 3:22 am

If you're popping another one soon, then I'd definitely decant for an hour or more. Did that with all the 3 '95 Magdelaines I recently opened, though I agree with you on both points re. it needing a lot of time and the tannin in the vintage.

There are some '95s I absolutely love, others I want to love and I find the tannin a bit too forbidding. I don't think Magdelaine's in the latter category (though I'm not putting it in the former - I think the '95 is a very good but not great wine from that house.) But I've found it's in a good spot for my own palate right now where the fruit's still quite vibrant, there's enough richness to match the tannin of the vintage, and a decent amount of development. I have other vintages (and other 95s) that I'll age for longer, but right now I don't have issues opening these right now especially with my worries that it might turn into something leaner where the tannin outlasts the fruit in the longer run.
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#12 Post by Diane Kessler » November 27th, 2019, 4:08 am

That is disappointing. I have a couple and was planning to open one this winter. I guess I’ll wait.

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#13 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » November 27th, 2019, 4:25 am

Ramon C wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 10:22 pm
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3. Do not, unless you are an idiot and it’s your dumb birthday or something like that, pull a Pobega.
Might have pulled one before and didn’t know it, plus just don’t want to be an idiot in the future, but what is pulling a Pobega?
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#14 Post by David Glasser » November 27th, 2019, 5:04 am

We need a dictionary of Wine Berserkerdom. I thought "to Pobega" meant to open a newly released wine right off the truck, same day as delivery. Ideally within an hour of delivery. Not just to open a wine prior to maturity or to pop and pour. Have I been wrong all these years?

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#15 Post by Robert Sand » November 27th, 2019, 5:19 am

I´m considering myself owning more than half a brain. I would not - not even after a long working day - pop a wine of this class without proper preparation. Nobody should, except having cases of it in the cellar, so it doesn´t hurt much.
I have a lot of easier wines in the cellar for immediate consumtion. Why not opening a bottle like this in the morning, give it a decant of 15 min. after coming home - and enjoying it much more?
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#16 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » November 27th, 2019, 5:24 am

Robert Sand wrote:
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I´m considering myself owning more than half a brain. I would not - not even after a long working day - pop a wine of this class without proper preparation. Nobody should, except having cases of it in the cellar, so it doesn´t hurt much.
I have a lot of easier wines in the cellar for immediate consumtion. Why not opening a bottle like this in the morning, give it a decant of 15 min. after coming home - and enjoying it much more?
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I had the 1992 a few months ago, and the 1985 early this year, both really singing after proper prep.

I’m far more spontaneous than that and cannot change my impulsive DNA. I have a fair bit of Magdelaine across various years, so didn’t worry about it. I generally find it easy to drink into mature wines, allowing them to evolve as I am enjoying them. This wine just did not work in my favor. A couple months ago MarcF and I popped an 86 Magdelaine on a whim, and it was spectacular. Incidentally, the 2011 Magdelaine is one vintage that smokes right out of the bottle. The 2000s that did not show well for me were not spontaneous openings.

David, I think you are right on Pobega. My bad.

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#17 Post by Ramon C » November 27th, 2019, 6:18 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
November 27th, 2019, 4:25 am
Ramon C wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 10:22 pm
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 6:38 pm

3. Do not, unless you are an idiot and it’s your dumb birthday or something like that, pull a Pobega.
Might have pulled one before and didn’t know it, plus just don’t want to be an idiot in the future, but what is pulling a Pobega?
Ha, where juo bean, mang?

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Got it. I guess I shouldn't be doing that with the 2000 Magdelaine that I plan to taste-test soon.
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#18 Post by Neal.Mollen » November 27th, 2019, 6:21 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 6:38 pm
Evidently I do not possess that thinking half of the brain. I just see pretty things.

1. Magdelaine needs time. A lot of time. Twenty-five years is still a baby.

2. Magdelaine needs a very long decant, unless you have like a ‘66 in your possession.

3. Do not, unless you are an idiot and it’s your dumb birthday or something like that, pull a Pobega.

Yes, I grabbed one on a whim. Just finished a 14-hour day out of town on business. Came home hungry, wired, thirsty. Uncorked it, poured it, started drinking it. So uncivilized I am.

The 1995 Bordeaux vintage continues to confound me. I pop one wine, it’s spectacular. Pop another, it’s hard as nails. And then pop this one, and it still feel likes an infant. Well, a toddler. A grumpy toddler with some teething pain. With a stinky diaper.

I’ve popped a few 2000s recently, and only 1 of the 3 actually showed well. And it showed spectacularly well. Robert, look at note 1. Read it. Do you understand it? Then stop being an idiot and popping these things. The 1980s for Magdelaine are showing nice right now. You have some. Drink those, you silly boy.

So I’m on glass three of this 1995. Two hours in. It’s finally showing me some love. Red fruit, mint and some wild flowers on the nose. Lean on the palate, dry forest floor, tobacco leaf, dry red berries. Some savory, herbal notes. Dryish clipped finish with a little bitterness. Seeing Salil - a man with a golden palate - post 3 notes on CT with real 93s, not A So 93s - gives me some pause on my assessment, but I corked it up with 1/3 left for tomorrow. Right now I’m 89 points on it. Enjoyable with a fun range of notes but lacking the depth I want in a Bordeaux and having a detracting finish. I’ve not had a 1995 Magdelaine before, so perhaps a different bottle may showing better. I have another.
Lol. Great note. I feel your pain. Às I get older my preference shows even more to aged wines. Few er and fewer wines in my cellar are ready. Mistakes are made. Give yourself a break.
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#19 Post by Neal.Mollen » November 27th, 2019, 6:23 am

Rudi Finkler wrote:
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My current favorite is the sublime 1998 Magdelaine. Without doubt one of the most impressive wines I have drunk in recent years. The 1998 is an extraordinarily elegant, precise and mineral-rich, seamless Saint-Emilion - medium-bodied, perfectly matured, a wine of total subtlety and finesse!
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#20 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » November 27th, 2019, 6:27 am

Haha, me too, Neal. Just got two of them. Plus some 1970. I bet those are ready. ;)

And of course my post was in good humor, I really don’t care and sorta laugh it off. For all I know, the remainder is awesome today. Maybe pop it for lunch....

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#21 Post by Todd F r e n c h » November 27th, 2019, 9:31 am

Rudi Finkler wrote:
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My current favorite is the sublime 1998 Magdelaine. Without doubt one of the most impressive wines I have drunk in recent years. The 1998 is an extraordinarily elegant, precise and mineral-rich, seamless Saint-Emilion - medium-bodied, perfectly matured, a wine of total subtlety and finesse!
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#22 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » November 27th, 2019, 10:01 am

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
November 27th, 2019, 9:31 am
Rudi Finkler wrote:
November 27th, 2019, 12:04 am
My current favorite is the sublime 1998 Magdelaine. Without doubt one of the most impressive wines I have drunk in recent years. The 1998 is an extraordinarily elegant, precise and mineral-rich, seamless Saint-Emilion - medium-bodied, perfectly matured, a wine of total subtlety and finesse!
Thanks for the note - I just happened to immediately use the WineBid search bar you so love and searched for this wine, added it to my 'watch list' flirtysmile
BTW, where is that WineBid search bar? I see it when I am not logged in, but once I log in, it goes away with all other advertising.

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#23 Post by Todd F r e n c h » November 27th, 2019, 10:03 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
November 27th, 2019, 10:01 am
Todd F r e n c h wrote:
November 27th, 2019, 9:31 am
Rudi Finkler wrote:
November 27th, 2019, 12:04 am
My current favorite is the sublime 1998 Magdelaine. Without doubt one of the most impressive wines I have drunk in recent years. The 1998 is an extraordinarily elegant, precise and mineral-rich, seamless Saint-Emilion - medium-bodied, perfectly matured, a wine of total subtlety and finesse!
Thanks for the note - I just happened to immediately use the WineBid search bar you so love and searched for this wine, added it to my 'watch list' flirtysmile
BTW, where is that WineBid search bar? I see it when I am not logged in, but once I log in, it goes away with all other advertising.
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#24 Post by Jay Miller » November 27th, 2019, 10:06 am

Haven't opened a 1995 for quite a while (Salil was still in NYC as it was at one of the St. Marks Grand Sichuan dinners) but back then it showed well after sitting in the decanter for an hour and going back in the bottle for another 2 hours or so.
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#25 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » November 27th, 2019, 10:29 am

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
November 27th, 2019, 10:03 am
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
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Thanks for the note - I just happened to immediately use the WineBid search bar you so love and searched for this wine, added it to my 'watch list' flirtysmile
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#26 Post by Pat Martin » November 27th, 2019, 10:53 am

I’m (still) not touching most of my sizable stash of 95s. There are lots of 95s in early maturity (mostly right bank), but I’ve not encountered one yet I consider even close to fully mature and tertiary.

Almost 25 years old, but when I pick up a bottle and see the 95 vintage (or 96 for that matter), that still sounds young in some inner narration.
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