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#1 Post by Jason Petty » November 21st, 2019, 7:22 pm

Piggy backing off the Black fruited thread I figured why not name some wines in my wheelhouse. Now this topic screams Chambolle which I love. But it's not limited to this commune. It could be producer, vineyard, varietal, etc. For me I enjoy the wines of Bertheau, Fourrier, Barthod, Hudelot Noellat and others. To some extent Anthill Farms in my experience displays some red fruited, weightless and pure character. I remember reading a Buzz thread about red fruited Burgundy. But are there wines that you enjoy outside of drinking red Burgundy or Pinot Noir that would be up my wheelhouse that display the qualities of weightless, red fruits and cyrstalline purity? Jamet Cote Rotie for ex, maybe some Chinon or Loire CF? Would love to know.

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#2 Post by Josh Grossman » November 21st, 2019, 7:33 pm

1988 Catherine et Pierre Breton Chinon Beaumont

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#3 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » November 21st, 2019, 7:34 pm

Cru Beaujolais! Drank a 2015 Jean Foillard Morgon Côte du Py last night which fit your description.

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#4 Post by Lee Short » November 21st, 2019, 7:36 pm

Enderle & Moll Muschelkalk

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#5 Post by Jim Anderson » November 21st, 2019, 8:37 pm

A.R. Pepe Valtellina Nebbiolos. For sure.
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#6 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » November 21st, 2019, 8:46 pm

Etna reds; my fav is graci arcuria.

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#7 Post by Greg K » November 21st, 2019, 9:04 pm

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#8 Post by Peter Petersen » November 21st, 2019, 9:34 pm

Several Oregon PNs that I have tested this year. Arterberry-Maresh, Kelley Fox, Biggio-Hamina come to mind.

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#9 Post by Eric Lundblad » November 21st, 2019, 9:43 pm

Josh Grossman wrote:
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This, or other similar Cab Francs!
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#10 Post by Chris Seiber » November 21st, 2019, 9:46 pm

Sandlands reds are really like this. Especially the mataro and the trosseau.

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#11 Post by Nate Simon » November 21st, 2019, 10:03 pm

Weightless red fruited pure is dead at retail.

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#13 Post by Chuck Miller » November 21st, 2019, 10:08 pm

Rayas
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#14 Post by Steve Brickley » November 21st, 2019, 11:18 pm

+1 cru beaujolais.
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#15 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » November 22nd, 2019, 1:10 am

Eric Lundblad wrote:
November 21st, 2019, 9:43 pm
Josh Grossman wrote:
November 21st, 2019, 7:33 pm
1988 Catherine et Pierre Breton Chinon Beaumont
This, or other similar Cab Francs!
And a Franc de Pied bottling even better!

Love the transparency and brightness that a Franc de Pied often shows, in addition to a wonderful range of pure red fruits.

Breton makes one, as does Roches Neuves and Plouzeau.

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#16 Post by dcornutt » November 22nd, 2019, 2:32 am

Chuck Miller wrote:
November 21st, 2019, 10:08 pm
Rayas
This would get my vote as a starter.
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#17 Post by Dinesh Goyal » November 22nd, 2019, 3:52 am

Love this thread. That’s exactly the kind of wines I seek.

1. Oregon PN: Cristom, Arterberry Maresh
2. A couple of Aussie pinots - Tolpuddle, Myer, Ashton Hills Reserve
3. As mentioned previously Beaujolais - though I still don’t have a feel for stylistic differences amongst producers
4. Etna reds : Benanti, Terre Nere etc

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#18 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » November 22nd, 2019, 4:26 am

Metras for Beaujolais.

My personal faves, Roilette and Thivin, venture deeper into the darks.

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#19 Post by Julian Marshall » November 22nd, 2019, 5:27 am

Clos du Jaugueyron in Margaux (or the Haut-Médoc bottling), plus other newer organic estates, such as Grand Launay, which I posted on a while ago, which is organic and sulphur-free. Closeries des Moussis also in Margaux. All the Loire reds mentioned.

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#20 Post by Rob_S » November 22nd, 2019, 5:29 am

dcornutt wrote:
November 22nd, 2019, 2:32 am
Chuck Miller wrote:
November 21st, 2019, 10:08 pm
Rayas
This would get my vote as a starter.
+2. Add Pignan as well as it's parent.
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#21 Post by David_K » November 22nd, 2019, 5:40 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
November 22nd, 2019, 4:26 am
Metras for Beaujolais.

My personal faves, Roilette and Thivin, venture deeper into the darks.
Exactly, I tend to look for this at the producer level. In the case of Beaujolais, some absolutely fit this category while others, as you allude, can be dark, tannic beasts.
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#22 Post by Subu Ramachandran » November 22nd, 2019, 6:06 am

Burugndy: Jouan, Ramonet CM reds

Granache: Rayas, Comando G, Tribute to Grace

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Plus I wouldn't call Barthod as weightless.

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#23 Post by Markus S » November 22nd, 2019, 7:46 am

Jura trousseau & poulsards, Spanish bastardo
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#24 Post by Subu Ramachandran » November 22nd, 2019, 8:17 am

Markus S wrote:
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Jura trousseau & poulsards, Spanish bastardo
Good one. The purity comes at the hands of the best winemakers.

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#25 Post by Doug Schulman » November 22nd, 2019, 8:27 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
November 22nd, 2019, 4:26 am
Metras for Beaujolais.

My personal faves, Roilette and Thivin, venture deeper into the darks.
Metras might depend on one's definition of "pure" and the specific bottle of Metras, but I get it. I would say Daniel Bouland, a producer that gets far too little attention, in my opinion. I would have also said Pascal Granger, but I'm not sure about that anymore as a recent vintage was disappointingly heavy and alcoholic.

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#26 Post by Gabe Berk » November 22nd, 2019, 8:39 am

First thing that comes to mind is Italy. Nebbiolo in particular...elegant, lightweight mouthfeel, red fruit, higher acid with high tannin. Pure!!!

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#27 Post by joz€f p1nxten » November 22nd, 2019, 8:42 am

Doug Schulman wrote:
November 22nd, 2019, 8:27 am
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
November 22nd, 2019, 4:26 am
Metras for Beaujolais.

My personal faves, Roilette and Thivin, venture deeper into the darks.
Metras might depend on one's definition of "pure" and the specific bottle of Metras, but I get it. I would say Daniel Bouland, a producer that gets far too little attention, in my opinion. I would have also said Pascal Granger, but I'm not sure about that anymore as a recent vintage was disappointingly heavy and alcoholic.
I was at Daniel Bouland in August - whilst I bought a ton of wines, I wouldn't call them "red fruited and pure" (certainly compared to others named above). To me, more masculine, dark fruited and concentrated than Roilette (which I also visisted).
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#28 Post by David Cooper » November 22nd, 2019, 8:54 am

I would describe Roilette as more dark berry fruit. I have had the 2017 Fleurie twice this week and may have another one today. Hated it.

Red fruit, how about Etna Nerello Mascalese?

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#29 Post by Viet Ly » November 22nd, 2019, 10:39 am

joz€f p1nxten wrote:
November 22nd, 2019, 8:42 am
Doug Schulman wrote:
November 22nd, 2019, 8:27 am
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
November 22nd, 2019, 4:26 am
Metras for Beaujolais.

My personal faves, Roilette and Thivin, venture deeper into the darks.
Metras might depend on one's definition of "pure" and the specific bottle of Metras, but I get it. I would say Daniel Bouland, a producer that gets far too little attention, in my opinion. I would have also said Pascal Granger, but I'm not sure about that anymore as a recent vintage was disappointingly heavy and alcoholic.
I was at Daniel Bouland in August - whilst I bought a ton of wines, I wouldn't call them "red fruited and pure" (certainly compared to others named above). To me, more masculine, dark fruited and concentrated than Roilette (which I also visisted).
Newbie here, but I thought the bottle of 2014 Daniel Bouland Morgon Schiste I had 5 months ago was on the red spectrum of fruit:
Bright crunchy red fruits highlighted with rose petals, earth and a bit of spice. Just the slightest suggestion of forest smells on the nose and palate. Silky texture, medium density, good finish. No heat. Drinking beautifully right now.

Agree that Thivin is a darker more "masculine" wine. Never had Roilette or Metras before.

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#30 Post by Ben M a n d l e r » November 22nd, 2019, 10:42 am

Frappato, Nerello Mascalese (both Sicilian), Nebbiolo. Mencia, sometimes. The best examples of Chambourcin, too. Those are the ones that immediately come to mind. I’m not a fan of Beaujolais but it definitely fits the bill too.
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#31 Post by jason stein » November 22nd, 2019, 11:19 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
November 22nd, 2019, 4:26 am
Metras for Beaujolais.

My personal faves, Roilette and Thivin, venture deeper into the darks.
Would second the Metras. Had a 2011 Fleurie recently that was absolutely elegant and delightful.
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#32 Post by Markus S » November 22nd, 2019, 12:18 pm

David Cooper wrote:
November 22nd, 2019, 8:54 am
Red fruit, how about Etna Nerello Mascalese?
Usually, but not always. There are some darker versions of Etna Rosso and most are at 14-15% alcohol, so I wouldn't consider them "weightless". You tend to feel it after a couple glasses, but some are are lower alcohol (though not many).
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#33 Post by M. Meer » November 22nd, 2019, 12:21 pm

I really like Lafarge for this. If I had the means, Mugnier and Puffeney.
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#34 Post by C. Mc Cart » November 22nd, 2019, 12:53 pm

A number of Volnay's fit the bill for me. Lesser 1er such as Voillot's Fremiets hit all 3 out of the park.

*Sorry missed the outside Burgundy proviso in the OP- in that case, cooler Ontario Pinots - several from PEC come to mind.
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#35 Post by mdavis » November 22nd, 2019, 3:44 pm

Overnoy Poulsard
Ganevat j'en Veux (none of that encore stuff)
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#36 Post by Kirk.Grant » November 22nd, 2019, 4:17 pm

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#37 Post by Scott Brunson » November 22nd, 2019, 4:50 pm

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#38 Post by Jim Hanlon » November 22nd, 2019, 4:57 pm

I agree with many of the suggestions already made -- a good bottle of Overnoy Poulsard epitomizes these descriptors, with Puffeney not far behind. In a less expensive vein, the Birichino Cinsault from Bechthold Vineyard is a very good example. 1880s vines and shares a lot of personality traits with a very expressive cru Beaujolais.

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#39 Post by mdavis » November 22nd, 2019, 5:50 pm

Jim Hanlon wrote:
November 22nd, 2019, 4:57 pm
I agree with many of the suggestions already made -- a good bottle of Overnoy Poulsard epitomizes these descriptors, with Puffeney not far behind. In a less expensive vein, the Birichino Cinsault from Bechthold Vineyard is a very good example. 1880s vines and shares a lot of personality traits with a very expressive cru Beaujolais.
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#40 Post by mdavis » November 22nd, 2019, 6:06 pm

Subu Ramachandran wrote:
November 22nd, 2019, 6:06 am
Burugndy: Jouan, Ramonet CM reds

Granache: Rayas, Comando G, Tribute to Grace

Italy: Terre Nere

Plus I wouldn't call Barthod as weightless.
Agree, as much as I love Barthod (#1 producer in my cellar my QTY), I agree; it is not weightless.
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#41 Post by mdavis » November 22nd, 2019, 6:30 pm

M. Meer wrote:
November 22nd, 2019, 12:21 pm
I really like Lafarge for this. If I had the means, Mugnier and Puffeney.
I am on board with Mugnier and Puffeney, but Lafarge? Some of the bottlings are quite structured. Love the wines, but I'm not sure about weightless. -mark
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#42 Post by M. Meer » November 24th, 2019, 4:53 pm

mdavis wrote:
November 22nd, 2019, 6:30 pm

I am on board with Mugnier and Puffeney, but Lafarge? Some of the bottlings are quite structured. Love the wines, but I'm not sure about weightless. -mark
I suppose I had a recent '08 Greves on the mind that we gulped down but was thinking the regular Volnay or Vendanges, less so the 1er Cru Volnays.
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#43 Post by Nathan Smyth » November 24th, 2019, 5:28 pm

2011 Winery of Good Hope Pinotage, on about Day 5.

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#44 Post by alan weinberg » November 24th, 2019, 5:41 pm

I was going to add Poulsard but it’s mentioned. Love the crunchy red cranberry.

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#45 Post by Howard Cooper » November 24th, 2019, 5:54 pm

I know the OP said outside red Burgundy, but I have to agree with the mention of Ramonet and add Domaine Dublere. Taste one of these and see if anything (obviously other than Truchot) comes close.
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#46 Post by asnitow » November 24th, 2019, 7:20 pm

Nathan Smyth wrote:
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Now there is a grape that you dont see pop up around here very often...
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#47 Post by Mattstolz » November 24th, 2019, 8:16 pm

Here to echo the Oregon Pinot call. Especially Kelley Fox and Goodfellow jump out to me.

Also like the Sicily thought. Frappato is the easy call: cos and occhipinti for sure, and specific nerellos, like cornelisson.

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#48 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » November 25th, 2019, 1:54 am

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#49 Post by Doug Schulman » November 25th, 2019, 4:53 pm

Dinesh Goyal wrote:
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2. A couple of Aussie pinots - Tolpuddle, Myer, Ashton Hills Reserve
Yes! I haven't had the ones you mention, but Mac Forbes is SO red fruited and floral, like strawberries and rosewater. I love it. The value is great, too. I know OP says beyond Pinot Noir, but I'll bet not a lot of people on this board have tried this wine.

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#50 Post by Dinesh Goyal » November 25th, 2019, 6:51 pm

Doug Schulman wrote:
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November 22nd, 2019, 3:52 am
2. A couple of Aussie pinots - Tolpuddle, Myer, Ashton Hills Reserve
Yes! I haven't had the ones you mention, but Mac Forbes is SO red fruited and floral, like strawberries and rosewater. I love it. The value is great, too. I know OP says beyond Pinot Noir, but I'll bet not a lot of people on this board have tried this wine.
Like Mac. Also he makes a nice Cabernet blend called Hugh.

A lot of the Aussie pinot makers have such small production that it never makes it outside AU. We are talking about a 1k-3k cases max. Timo Myer was one of my top 5 but was really hard to buy in decent quantity

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