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Young cdp

#1 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » November 19th, 2019, 6:42 pm

If you were going to open young cdp at the moment what would you pop?

15-17 pegau
15-16 beaucastel
17 donjon
17 Clos des papes

I have some other random singles like usseglio mon auiel, bosquet, chagrin, and veneur too from those years.

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#2 Post by Mark Y » November 19th, 2019, 6:51 pm

Not beaucastel. And probably not clos des papes.

Probably pegau.
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#3 Post by Mark Y » November 19th, 2019, 6:52 pm

And god not the mon aieul. :)
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#4 Post by P@u1_M3nk3s » November 19th, 2019, 6:55 pm

I'd open the Pegee-weag.
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#5 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » November 19th, 2019, 8:22 pm

Not the Beaucastel. Any of the others.
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#6 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » November 19th, 2019, 8:46 pm

Interesting; I opened a bottle of the beaucastel a few mo ago which was delicious. We’ll see.

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#7 Post by J.Vizuete » November 19th, 2019, 9:03 pm

Clos Des Papes shows well young - it’s “bigger” than Pegau or Beaucastel. Depends on the style you want. 14 Donjon left me wanting the other day. Lean without much interest, but I have less experience with that producer
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#8 Post by Shay_A » November 19th, 2019, 9:37 pm

I actually had a ‘17 Donjon last week at a tasting. I was pleasantly surprised at how enjoyable it was at such a young age. I was actually given the bottle to take home and even after being re-corked and opened 24hrs later, it was still powering through nicely and if anything, gained more structure.
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#9 Post by Craig G » November 19th, 2019, 9:39 pm

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
November 19th, 2019, 8:46 pm
Interesting; I opened a bottle of the beaucastel a few mo ago which was delicious. We’ll see.
In my experience, some vintages of Beaucastel drink very well young and some are very grumpy. I wouldn’t know how to tell without tasting.
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#10 Post by GregT » November 19th, 2019, 11:08 pm

Donjon has changed more than the others over the past ten years. Used to be pretty funky and stinky. Not so much any more. These days I'd open any of them. They're all good young. They were never made like old-school Barolo that was tannic and hard for years.
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#11 Post by Tony C » November 20th, 2019, 12:52 am

The 2016 Beaucastel is drinking really well at this stage.

Here’s a previous thread about this wine.

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#12 Post by Doug Schulman » November 20th, 2019, 4:47 am

I think the past few vintages of Beaucastel have been wonderful in their youth, including both '15 and '16. I wouldn't hesitate to open either of those. Plus, they're probably the only wines on that list that I would like, but I do strongly feel that Beaucastel is a lot better soon after release than I've read it used to be.

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#13 Post by Jonathan Loesberg » November 20th, 2019, 7:07 am

All the 17s will be young and forward, but fine if you like them that way. Beaucastel and Pegau from 15 (and maybe 16) may be showing some grumpiness, but I'm sure they'll be OK.

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#14 Post by Peter Petersen » November 20th, 2019, 7:55 am

I'd say not 2015, probably 2016 Pegau at this point

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#15 Post by David Glasser » November 20th, 2019, 8:56 am

I popped a 2015 Beaucastel a few months ago ITNOS, though I usually like them best once aged. It was delicious.
  • 2015 Château de Beaucastel Châteauneuf-du-Pape - France, Rhône, Southern Rhône, Châteauneuf-du-Pape (8/26/2019)
    Couldn’t resist an early peek at one of my favorite Chateauneufs. Cellared since release, perfect cork and fill. Dark red, almost purple. Cherry, garrigue, and pepper on the nose, a bit reticent at first but they fill the air after 60-90 minutes. Full body, flavor profile leaning more toward Grenache than the typical Beaucastel, and while the fruit is ripe it is well-balanced with acidity and firm tannins. It never approaches the sickly sweet over-ripe Grenache that I’ve become less tolerant of. Long finish. No complexity at this young stage but it will start to show up in a decade or two. Still a pleasure to drink young. Excellent.

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#16 Post by Adam Lee » November 20th, 2019, 9:25 am

2017 Clos des Papes is drinking well right off the bat. I am sure it will shut down at some point but it's really easy to drink now. Same for the St.-Prefert wines. The 17 Donjon is drinking pretty well right off also but not as good. The 15 Beaucastel has turned a corner and is showing well, the 16 not yet for my taste. And Pegau is simply too much brett for me.

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