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#1 Post by larry schaffer » November 15th, 2019, 7:10 am

Somewhat surprised that no one has posted on the top 10 wines of the year from the WS yet. I know it's not 'cool' to say that you look at this stuff but it is interesting to see any of these lists, whether or not you agree with them.

The No. 1 wine will be announced later this morning but the rest of the Top 10 has already been announced this week - and my guess is that many on this board would not be disappointed with many of the choices thus far.

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#2 Post by CJ Beazley » November 15th, 2019, 7:16 am

I was pissed to see Ramey chard on it, good luck finding that on sale again.
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#3 Post by Todd F r e n c h » November 15th, 2019, 7:18 am

CJ Beazley wrote:
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I was pissed to see Ramey chard on it, good luck finding that on sale again.
The 'regular' Ramey Chard? That sucks - it's a very reliable, good Chardonnay that is widely available (or used to be)
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#4 Post by CJ Beazley » November 15th, 2019, 7:22 am

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
November 15th, 2019, 7:18 am
CJ Beazley wrote:
November 15th, 2019, 7:16 am
I was pissed to see Ramey chard on it, good luck finding that on sale again.
The 'regular' Ramey Chard? That sucks - it's a very reliable, good Chardonnay that is widely available (or used to be)
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#5 Post by J.Vizuete » November 15th, 2019, 8:14 am

Looks like it's the 2016 Leoville Barton. I enjoyed the 15 quite a lot. Haven't had this yet. Here's the summary from WS:

"For its emblematic representation of Bordeaux, emphasis on a great price for a wine of such high quality, incredibly consistent track record and long-running family ownership, the Château Léoville Barton St.-Julien 2016 is Wine Spectator’s 2019 Wine of the Year."

I'm on board with that.
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#6 Post by Demian Saenz » November 15th, 2019, 8:21 am

J.Vizuete wrote:
November 15th, 2019, 8:14 am
Looks like it's the 2016 Leoville Barton. I enjoyed the 15 quite a lot. Haven't had this yet. Here's the summary from WS:

"For its emblematic representation of Bordeaux, emphasis on a great price for a wine of such high quality, incredibly consistent track record and long-running family ownership, the Château Léoville Barton St.-Julien 2016 is Wine Spectator’s 2019 Wine of the Year."

I'm on board with that.
Damn! The one 2016 Bordeaux I wanted to purchase but was hoping to see sub $100 pricing.

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#7 Post by John Peacock » November 15th, 2019, 8:31 am

It is a very cab-heavy top 10 this year, with 4 of the top 10 being either Bordeaux or Cabernet wines. Only 1 white (the Ramey chard), and 1 bubbles (Roederer), the other 8 are all "big reds". No Pinot in the top 10. For the first time since 2014, no wines from the NW in the top 10.
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#8 Post by AD Northup » November 15th, 2019, 8:37 am

Demian Saenz wrote:
November 15th, 2019, 8:21 am
J.Vizuete wrote:
November 15th, 2019, 8:14 am
Looks like it's the 2016 Leoville Barton. I enjoyed the 15 quite a lot. Haven't had this yet. Here's the summary from WS:

"For its emblematic representation of Bordeaux, emphasis on a great price for a wine of such high quality, incredibly consistent track record and long-running family ownership, the Château Léoville Barton St.-Julien 2016 is Wine Spectator’s 2019 Wine of the Year."

I'm on board with that.
Damn! The one 2016 Bordeaux I wanted to purchase but was hoping to see sub $100 pricing.
One of the few futures I bought at 90 per.
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#9 Post by Alan Rath » November 15th, 2019, 8:45 am

There is so much of it, tons in Europe, more will come in - though at higher pricing, because of tariffs, and now WOTY designation. I just watched a case of mags, and another case of 750s disappear from online stores in about 3 minutes.
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#10 Post by YLee » November 15th, 2019, 8:45 am

I bought as well. Seems they are sold out everywhere
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#11 Post by Dav1d S@wyer » November 15th, 2019, 9:10 am

AD Northup wrote:
November 15th, 2019, 8:37 am
Demian Saenz wrote:
November 15th, 2019, 8:21 am
J.Vizuete wrote:
November 15th, 2019, 8:14 am
Looks like it's the 2016 Leoville Barton. I enjoyed the 15 quite a lot. Haven't had this yet. Here's the summary from WS:

"For its emblematic representation of Bordeaux, emphasis on a great price for a wine of such high quality, incredibly consistent track record and long-running family ownership, the Château Léoville Barton St.-Julien 2016 is Wine Spectator’s 2019 Wine of the Year."

I'm on board with that.
Damn! The one 2016 Bordeaux I wanted to purchase but was hoping to see sub $100 pricing.
One of the few futures I bought at 90 per.
Same. It was really fantastic when I tasted it at the UGC event last year. Glad to have some since I'm sure the price will now skyrocket.

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#12 Post by Colin Haggerty » November 15th, 2019, 9:31 am

I tasted the 2016 Léoville Barton at the UGC event in Las Vegas last January. It is indeed a superb wine but will definitely require some patience:

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#13 Post by YLee » November 15th, 2019, 10:05 am

I felt the '16 Carmes Haut Brion was better than this during the period I had them.
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#14 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » November 15th, 2019, 10:17 am

Dammit. One of a very few producers I buy in most vintages. We'll see to what extent this impacts pricing, both on '16 and others.
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#15 Post by Chris Seiber » November 15th, 2019, 10:22 am

CJ Beazley wrote:
November 15th, 2019, 7:16 am
I was pissed to see Ramey chard on it, good luck finding that on sale again.
I've watched this over many years, and other than the actual #1 wine, the top 10 doesn't really affect pricing. Actually, what often happens is that the other top 10 (and top 100) wines, at least the ones that are still available by that time of year, really hit the retail shelves and are easier to find.

I could go dig them up when I have more time, but I've posted many examples to prove that in the past on here.

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#16 Post by GregT » November 15th, 2019, 10:56 am

I think that's right, at least from my non-rigorous observations. The WOTY has legs, the others are talked about for a while but the prices don't move as much. However, since the vast majority of wine sold in the US is sold in Oct/Nov/Dec, the fact that the list comes out at this time tends to make the WOTY hard to get.

However, don't lose hope!

James Suckling released his top 100. And I'm sure every other self-appointed critic will be releasing their lists, so just wait until there's a #1 you can find and buy all of that!

Suckling really liked Italy this year. Here are his top ten:


1. Siro Pacenti Brunello di Montalcino Vecchie Vigne 2015

2. Renieri Brunello di Montalcino 2015

3. Muga Rioja Prado Enea Gran Reserva 2011

4. Marchesi Antinori Umbria Cervaro Della Sala 2017

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#17 Post by K John Joseph » November 15th, 2019, 11:02 am

GregT I was looking at his whole list and couldn't help but wonder what would happen if folks did a comparative analysis of the wines that frequently make his list and the wines that frequently make WS Top 100, and then ran a regression analysis to compare ad spending and event sponsorship from those wineries to each of the publications/critics. Lot of overlap on the eyeball test.

That said, I quite like a number of the wines on his top 10, and a good number on his top 100. So I'll be doing some deep reflecting and may retire from wine soon.
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#18 Post by Alex N » November 15th, 2019, 11:06 am

I like the choice they made for #1, though I'm not going to pay $179 the online store is asking for it. Some of the past few years were odd to me, especially Lewis, Duckhorn and $200 Peter Michael cab.
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#19 Post by J. Rock » November 15th, 2019, 11:21 am

I think I might be in the minority on this board, but I love the 2016 Almaviva (listed at #10) and look forward to trying 2017 once it's available.
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#20 Post by DennizE » November 15th, 2019, 11:38 am

GregT wrote:
November 15th, 2019, 10:56 am
I think that's right, at least from my non-rigorous observations. The WOTY has legs, the others are talked about for a while but the prices don't move as much. However, since the vast majority of wine sold in the US is sold in Oct/Nov/Dec, the fact that the list comes out at this time tends to make the WOTY hard to get.

However, don't lose hope!

James Suckling released his top 100. And I'm sure every other self-appointed critic will be releasing their lists, so just wait until there's a #1 you can find and buy all of that!

Suckling really liked Italy this year. Here are his top ten:


1. Siro Pacenti Brunello di Montalcino Vecchie Vigne 2015

2. Renieri Brunello di Montalcino 2015

3. Muga Rioja Prado Enea Gran Reserva 2011

4. Marchesi Antinori Umbria Cervaro Della Sala 2017

5. Schäfer-Fröhlich Riesling Nahe Felseneck GG 2018

6. Rippon Pinot Noir Central Otago Mature Vine 2010

7. Château Larcis-Ducasse St.-Emilion 2016

8. Eredi Fuligni Brunello di Montalcino 2015

9. Errázuriz Pinot Noir Aconcagua Costa Las Pizarras 2018

10. Cheval des Andes Mendoza 2016
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#21 Post by Hank Victor » November 15th, 2019, 11:50 am

Wine.com is selling it for $169.99 with a 3 bottle limit per customer lol.
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#22 Post by Alex N » November 15th, 2019, 12:30 pm

Hank Victor wrote:
November 15th, 2019, 11:50 am
Wine.com is selling it for $169.99 with a 3 bottle limit per customer lol.
K&L added the 2019 #1 note below the reviews and bumped it up to $179

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#23 Post by Jeff_M. » November 15th, 2019, 12:40 pm

Alex N wrote:
November 15th, 2019, 12:30 pm
Hank Victor wrote:
November 15th, 2019, 11:50 am
Wine.com is selling it for $169.99 with a 3 bottle limit per customer lol.
K&L added the 2019 #1 note below the reviews and bumped it up to $179

The beauty of Google Cached pages:

November 9:
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November 15, after WS #1 announcement:
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Just got the email from K&L that they had it in stock. Not happening with that price bump
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#24 Post by Marcu$ Stanley » November 15th, 2019, 12:46 pm

AD Northup wrote:
November 15th, 2019, 8:37 am
Demian Saenz wrote:
November 15th, 2019, 8:21 am
J.Vizuete wrote:
November 15th, 2019, 8:14 am
Looks like it's the 2016 Leoville Barton. I enjoyed the 15 quite a lot. Haven't had this yet. Here's the summary from WS:

"For its emblematic representation of Bordeaux, emphasis on a great price for a wine of such high quality, incredibly consistent track record and long-running family ownership, the Château Léoville Barton St.-Julien 2016 is Wine Spectator’s 2019 Wine of the Year."

I'm on board with that.
Damn! The one 2016 Bordeaux I wanted to purchase but was hoping to see sub $100 pricing.
One of the few futures I bought at 90 per.
I got it first tranche at well under $90 from Total Wine, [edited to say it did come in and it was my fault for not picking it up yet!]
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#25 Post by Marcu$ Stanley » November 15th, 2019, 12:48 pm

Alex N wrote:
November 15th, 2019, 12:30 pm
Hank Victor wrote:
November 15th, 2019, 11:50 am
Wine.com is selling it for $169.99 with a 3 bottle limit per customer lol.
K&L added the 2019 #1 note below the reviews and bumped it up to $179

The beauty of Google Cached pages:

November 9:
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November 15, after WS #1 announcement:
leoville-11-15.png

LOL, now it's like $30 more expensive than the 2016 Pichon Baron. I like LB but I would pick PB over LB any day of the week

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#26 Post by Alan Rath » November 15th, 2019, 12:52 pm

Marcu$ Stanley wrote:
November 15th, 2019, 12:48 pm
LOL, now it's like $30 more expensive than the 2016 Pichon Baron. I like LB but I would pick PB over LB any day of the week
It all comes down to personal preference, but when I tasted both side by side at UGC, I thought the LB was the better of the two. Who knows if that will still be true in 20 years, but on that day it was.
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#27 Post by Marcu$ Stanley » November 15th, 2019, 12:56 pm

Alan Rath wrote:
November 15th, 2019, 12:52 pm
Marcu$ Stanley wrote:
November 15th, 2019, 12:48 pm
LOL, now it's like $30 more expensive than the 2016 Pichon Baron. I like LB but I would pick PB over LB any day of the week
It all comes down to personal preference, but when I tasted both side by side at UGC, I thought the LB was the better of the two. Who knows if that will still be true in 20 years, but on that day it was.
Wow, surprising. Maybe it's just a set prejudice of mine but I've never had a PB and LB from the same year where I thought the LB was better. It could happen though!
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#28 Post by Alan Rath » November 15th, 2019, 1:07 pm

I'm generally in agreement, 2014 I definitely preferred the PB (it was my wine of the UGC tasting). Who knows, if I tasted them again might be different, just the one side by side experience.
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#29 Post by david paly » November 15th, 2019, 1:42 pm

My impression of several decades of following this silliness is that the real impact of the WS top spot for a bottling is to raise the prices in following vintages in a sustained fashion . Sometimes sticks, sometime doesn’t but they always try- usually 25-30%.

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#30 Post by Marcu$ Stanley » November 15th, 2019, 2:01 pm

david paly wrote:
November 15th, 2019, 1:42 pm
My impression of several decades of following this silliness is that the real impact of the WS top spot for a bottling is to raise the prices in following vintages in a sustained fashion . Sometimes sticks, sometime doesn’t but they always try- usually 25-30%.
It would kind of suck if that happened to Leoville Barton which still flirts with old-school affordability at times.

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#31 Post by YLee » November 15th, 2019, 2:38 pm

Historically does WS' #1 vote move prices in the UK, France and in Hong Kong?
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#32 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » November 15th, 2019, 2:46 pm

K John Joseph wrote:
November 15th, 2019, 11:02 am
GregT I was looking at his whole list and couldn't help but wonder what would happen if folks did a comparative analysis of the wines that frequently make his list and the wines that frequently make WS Top 100, and then ran a regression analysis to compare ad spending and event sponsorship from those wineries to each of the publications/critics. Lot of overlap on the eyeball test.

That said, I quite like a number of the wines on his top 10, and a good number on his top 100. So I'll be doing some deep reflecting and may retire from wine soon.
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#33 Post by Mike Reff » November 15th, 2019, 3:51 pm

[blahblah.gif] [blahblah.gif] Greg....of course Suckling likes Italy, he lives there right neener

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#34 Post by Demian Saenz » November 15th, 2019, 4:07 pm

Wegmans has some bottles for $109.99, but the one I went to was hiding them, and handing them 1 per customer.

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#35 Post by Joe Mendez » November 15th, 2019, 8:07 pm

Alex N wrote:
November 15th, 2019, 12:30 pm
Hank Victor wrote:
November 15th, 2019, 11:50 am
Wine.com is selling it for $169.99 with a 3 bottle limit per customer lol.
K&L added the 2019 #1 note below the reviews and bumped it up to $179

The beauty of Google Cached pages:

November 9:
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November 15, after WS #1 announcement:
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I bought it with the old price as it was being announced on CNBC within minutes it was all gone.

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#36 Post by Jeremy C » November 15th, 2019, 8:38 pm

No worries. While this accolade may very well impact the pricing of this vintage, LB will remain a stalwart in the category of well-priced Bordeaux for years to come, and there remain and will remain plenty of good back vintages at reasonable pricing to enjoy.
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#37 Post by Nathan Smyth » November 15th, 2019, 9:36 pm

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#38 Post by GregT » November 16th, 2019, 12:29 am

K John Joseph wrote:
November 15th, 2019, 11:02 am
GregT I was looking at his whole list and couldn't help but wonder what would happen if folks did a comparative analysis of the wines that frequently make his list and the wines that frequently make WS Top 100, and then ran a regression analysis to compare ad spending and event sponsorship from those wineries to each of the publications/critics. Lot of overlap on the eyeball test.

That said, I quite like a number of the wines on his top 10, and a good number on his top 100. So I'll be doing some deep reflecting and may retire from wine soon.
Yo that's a lot of work! I'd retire from wine if I had to do that for a living!

But it would be kind of interesting to see the overlap. And I'd throw in WA as well.

The thing about Suckling is that he did something you wouldn't think possible - he reviewed Italy for WS for years and he lives there and somehow he should have the best perspective but he's kind of killed his credibility regarding Italy in general. Oh well.
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#39 Post by J a y H a c k » November 16th, 2019, 6:25 am

J. Rock wrote:
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I think I might be in the minority on this board, but I love the 2016 Almaviva (listed at #10) and look forward to trying 2017 once it's available.
I used to buy Alma Viva, but not recently for no good reason other than I thought the price had gotten crazy. I just checked with Wine Searcher and it's not that bad. Here's my fun note on the 2004.
  • 2004 Viña Almaviva S.A. Almaviva - Chile, Maipo Valley, Puente Alto (2/10/2015)
    Decanted at 1:30 pm, poured back into the bottle after cleaning the bottle (tons of sediment) at 6:30, brought to Mortons for dinner and followed for about an hour.

    WOW. This wine is in an incredible spot right now. Balanced fruit - neither sweet nor dark and brooding. A bit of cherries but nothing like the Glaetzer Anaperenna we drank after it, some plums and some dark berries. The flavors were so well integrated that it was difficult to distinguish one from another, but it didn't matter because the overall flavor was just great and it went down so well. There was a bit of cocoa but very light along with a touch of berry. The tannins have quietly disappeared into the night. Color was very dark, finish was average.

    AND in the "You can't make this up" category, I notice that a guy at the table next to us has called over the waiter and is obviously talking about our wine, so I lean over to talk to him. It turns out that he is a member of the family that controls or runs Concha y Toro. Alma Viva is a Chilean project of Baron Rothschild and Concha y Toro, much the same way as Opus is a project of Mondavi and Rothschild. He told me that they have a periodic event at Mouton and they pour the Alma Viva, the Opus and the Mouton together. He claimed that the Alma Viva always comes out on top. After this bottle, I am not surprised.

    According to the tech sheet on the web site, this is 72% Cabernet and 28% Carmenere. The exact blend varies vintage to vintage. I was surprised at the lack of merlot because this has a very velvety merlot feel to it.

    NOTE: This is the third Alma Viva bottle I have opened. There has been a lot of sediment in all the bottles. A careful decant is essential to the enjoyment of this wine. (94 pts.)
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#40 Post by Mattstolz » November 16th, 2019, 8:30 am

6 cabs, no pinot, no nebbiolo, no syrah (short of a GSM blend), no riesling?

especially with how good 2015s and 2016s released this year are in some of those varieties...



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#41 Post by Casey Hartlip » November 16th, 2019, 8:37 am

Happy for my neighbors at Roederer Estate for landing at #5. Would love to know what percentage of my fruit is in there.
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#42 Post by Rory K. » November 16th, 2019, 9:12 am

Mattstolz wrote:
November 16th, 2019, 8:30 am
6 cabs, no pinot, no nebbiolo, no syrah (short of a GSM blend), no riesling?

especially with how good 2015s and 2016s released this year are in some of those varieties...



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The list is always fairly unsurprising in how commercial and mainstream it is, but this year seems to go a lot further. Pretty boring spread of wines even for them, at least no price hikes for the good stuff!
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#43 Post by markjchambers » November 16th, 2019, 9:02 pm

I was disappointed that the Carlisle 16 Papera zin wasn't in there. WS gave it 96 and it's <$50. There were 1000 cases made and that's usually enough availability for WS. It was easy to find in the secondary market. I bet it comes in at #11 or 12.

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#44 Post by J. Rock » November 17th, 2019, 11:09 am

J a y H a c k wrote:
November 16th, 2019, 6:25 am
J. Rock wrote:
November 15th, 2019, 11:21 am
I think I might be in the minority on this board, but I love the 2016 Almaviva (listed at #10) and look forward to trying 2017 once it's available.
I used to buy Alma Viva, but not recently for no good reason other than I thought the price had gotten crazy. I just checked with Wine Searcher and it's not that bad. Here's my fun note on the 2004.
  • 2004 Viña Almaviva S.A. Almaviva - Chile, Maipo Valley, Puente Alto (2/10/2015)
    Decanted at 1:30 pm, poured back into the bottle after cleaning the bottle (tons of sediment) at 6:30, brought to Mortons for dinner and followed for about an hour.

    WOW. This wine is in an incredible spot right now. Balanced fruit - neither sweet nor dark and brooding. A bit of cherries but nothing like the Glaetzer Anaperenna we drank after it, some plums and some dark berries. The flavors were so well integrated that it was difficult to distinguish one from another, but it didn't matter because the overall flavor was just great and it went down so well. There was a bit of cocoa but very light along with a touch of berry. The tannins have quietly disappeared into the night. Color was very dark, finish was average.

    AND in the "You can't make this up" category, I notice that a guy at the table next to us has called over the waiter and is obviously talking about our wine, so I lean over to talk to him. It turns out that he is a member of the family that controls or runs Concha y Toro. Alma Viva is a Chilean project of Baron Rothschild and Concha y Toro, much the same way as Opus is a project of Mondavi and Rothschild. He told me that they have a periodic event at Mouton and they pour the Alma Viva, the Opus and the Mouton together. He claimed that the Alma Viva always comes out on top. After this bottle, I am not surprised.

    According to the tech sheet on the web site, this is 72% Cabernet and 28% Carmenere. The exact blend varies vintage to vintage. I was surprised at the lack of merlot because this has a very velvety merlot feel to it.

    NOTE: This is the third Alma Viva bottle I have opened. There has been a lot of sediment in all the bottles. A careful decant is essential to the enjoyment of this wine. (94 pts.)
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#45 Post by R M Kriete » November 18th, 2019, 8:13 am

Rory K. wrote:
November 16th, 2019, 9:12 am
The list is always fairly unsurprising in how commercial and mainstream it is, but this year seems to go a lot further. Pretty boring spread of wines even for them, at least no price hikes for the good stuff!
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I think that is part of what goes into picking the list. WS wants to list wines that the US consumer has at least a decent chance of purchasing and tasting. What's the point of selecting $1800 Burgundies or small production wines that most of the world will never get to experience? [scratch.gif]

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#46 Post by Steve Gautier » November 18th, 2019, 9:21 am

markjchambers wrote:
November 16th, 2019, 9:02 pm
I was disappointed that the Carlisle 16 Papera zin wasn't in there. WS gave it 96 and it's <$50. There were 1000 cases made and that's usually enough availability for WS. It was easy to find in the secondary market. I bet it comes in at #11 or 12.
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#47 Post by larry schaffer » November 18th, 2019, 9:31 am

Yep, Top 100 is out and no real surprises in there. MacDonald made it as did Saxum and Denner . . .

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#48 Post by PeterH » November 18th, 2019, 9:42 am

The top 100 seems to suck worse than usual. A to Z Wineworks? Come on! It is just a blend of surplus juice.
It also fits WS that the choices from the Penner Ash and Cristom stables are their ripest, least subtle wines.

There are, as usual however, a few wines that I have never heard of, and wouldn't mind trying. For instance, the Carol Shelton Coquille Blanc, and a few of the NZ and Aussie PNs.
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#49 Post by J.Vizuete » November 18th, 2019, 10:43 am

I liked seeing the Bodegas Mas Alta Black Slate Priorat "La Vilella Alta" come in at #24. I've had most of the last 6-7 vintages of this and it's a great introductory wine; but the "Porrera" bottling is even better. A recent 2015 was far more restrained than previous vintages, and I suspect worth a revisit if you see it on a shelf... Just great character for the price. A few vintages I believe Parker the gave this Vilella Alta a 95 and it was in short supply but is readily available most years now...
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#50 Post by DanielP » November 18th, 2019, 10:48 am

I would dump my 2016 L-B for 150 if I could. I bought them to age and drink, but I'd rather have 3 bottles of 2008 Dom than 3 bottles of 2016 L-B.
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