TN: 2016 Produttori del Barbaresco Barbaresco - its all about BALANCE

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Martin Zwick · #1 Post by **Martin Zwick** » November 13th, 2019, 11:21 pm

2016 Produttori del Barbaresco Barbaresco

After the first sip you immediately know this is a magnificent wine and magnificent vintage. Its this BALANCE, peace of mind, structure and depth. In addition despite its youth you already have a remarkable elegance.

Of course I know our wine cellars are full, of course I know that there are many many good wines on the market right now. Anyway......BUY

94/100

Salute,
Martin

#2 Post by **Mattstolz** » November 14th, 2019, 3:18 am

this is gonna be a good release overall from produttori when it rolls around... 2016 normale and 2015 riserva... planning to grab a bunch of both.

#3 Post by **D@vid Bu3ker** » November 14th, 2019, 4:50 am

As I mentioned elsewhere, I had this blind the other day and thought it outstanding.

#4 Post by **John Morris** » November 14th, 2019, 5:40 am

A consensus is emerging . . . . viewtopic.php?f=1&t=164924

#5 Post by **mike pobega** » February 4th, 2020, 3:16 pm

Just opened my fifth bottle leaving me 13. I just went back for six more. I thought this was closing but when served at the right temperature, this is quite amazing.

2016 Produttori del Barbaresco Barbaresco - Italy, Piedmont, Langhe, Barbaresco (9/11/2019)
Such a pretty wine; balanced and fragrant. Love the electric cranberry-ruby color. Forthcoming classic fruit with poise and grace. Deftly balanced. Love the silkiness this brings. Cool red fruits. Probably the best Normale I have ever sampled. Just....bought....more---again (93 pts.)

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s.nellessen · #6 Post by **s.nellessen** » February 4th, 2020, 5:07 pm

mike pobega wrote: ↑
February 4th, 2020, 3:16 pm
Just opened my fifth bottle leaving me 13. I just went back for six more. I thought this was closing but when served at the right temperature, this is quite amazing.

2016 Produttori del Barbaresco Barbaresco - Italy, Piedmont, Langhe, Barbaresco (9/11/2019)
Such a pretty wine; balanced and fragrant. Love the electric cranberry-ruby color. Forthcoming classic fruit with poise and grace. Deftly balanced. Love the silkiness this brings. Cool red fruits. Probably the best Normale I have ever sampled. Just....bought....more---again (93 pts.)
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dear board members,

an essential purchase.

#7 Post by **C. Keller** » February 4th, 2020, 5:33 pm

agreed. Especially when its $35-$45

Dennis Atick · #8 Post by **Dennis Atick** » February 4th, 2020, 5:45 pm

Good notes, keep 'em coming. Still waiting on my bottles and a few mags, too. Happy 'bout that.

#9 Post by **AD Northup** » February 4th, 2020, 5:54 pm

Just bought a bunch at 35 from wine library...probably open one as soon as they arrive to see if I should go back for more

Ian Dorin · #10 Post by **Ian Dorin** » February 4th, 2020, 6:02 pm

AD Northup wrote: ↑
February 4th, 2020, 5:54 pm
Just bought a bunch at 35 from wine library...probably open one as soon as they arrive to see if I should go back for more

No harm in opening, and day 2 it's even better.

IMNHO, this is the best regular bottling release I've had in my life time. Absolutely stunning wine.

Disclaimer- Of course I sell it, doesn't every good store though???

#11 Post by **Jeremy C** » February 4th, 2020, 8:49 pm

Such enablers

Andrew M · #12 Post by **Andrew M** » February 4th, 2020, 9:44 pm

I assume this needs a decant? If so, how long?

Nathan Smyth · #13 Post by **Nathan Smyth** » February 4th, 2020, 9:56 pm

If Produttori is being shipped to Flyover Country, then I ain't seeing it on Free Wine Searcher:

https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/prod ... y/2016/usa

All I'm seeing is CT, NY, NJ, DC, FL, IL, CA, and OR.

That might be an artifact of how Free Wine-Searcher censors results, but it's not encouraging.

If you narrow it down to single-state listings, then GA, VA, MO and TX each have a single listing at $45:

https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/prod ... 016/usa-ga
https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/prod ... 016/usa-va
https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/prod ... 016/usa-mo
https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/prod ... 016/usa-tx

Three hits in WA:

https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/prod ... 016/usa-wa

But nothing in NC, SC, IN, OH, PA, MN, WI, MI, CO, AZ, etc.

#14 Post by **mike pobega** » February 5th, 2020, 1:39 am

Andrew M wrote: ↑
February 4th, 2020, 9:44 pm
I assume this needs a decant? If so, how long?

Good to do but not necessary. I am using my Coravin right into a small decanter and right into glass.

Martin Zwick · #15 Post by **Martin Zwick** » February 5th, 2020, 3:27 am

P.S. Best on Day 2

I don´t decant, as I drink wines over 2-3 days.

Martin Zwick · #16 Post by **Martin Zwick** » February 5th, 2020, 3:29 am

P.S. P.S. good to see that my impressions are confirmed. I also have to to order again. haha

#17 Post by **Daniel McIntosh** » February 5th, 2020, 6:30 am

Nathan Smyth wrote: ↑
February 4th, 2020, 9:56 pm
If Produttori is being shipped to Flyover Country, then I ain't seeing it on Free Wine Searcher:

https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/prod ... y/2016/usa

All I'm seeing is CT, NY, NJ, DC, FL, IL, CA, and OR.

That might be an artifact of how Free Wine-Searcher censors results, but it's not encouraging.

If you narrow it down to single-state listings, then GA, VA, MO and TX each have a single listing at $45:

https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/prod ... 016/usa-ga
https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/prod ... 016/usa-va
https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/prod ... 016/usa-mo
https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/prod ... 016/usa-tx

Three hits in WA:

https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/prod ... 016/usa-wa

But nothing in NC, SC, IN, OH, PA, MN, WI, MI, CO, AZ, etc.

I've seen it on the shelves here in Minneapolis for about $45. Meanwhile I just had the 2016 Produttori Langhe Nebbiolo which I thought was outstanding.

#18 Post by **AD Northup** » February 5th, 2020, 6:37 am

Daniel McIntosh wrote: ↑
February 5th, 2020, 6:30 am

Nathan Smyth wrote: ↑
February 4th, 2020, 9:56 pm
If Produttori is being shipped to Flyover Country, then I ain't seeing it on Free Wine Searcher:

https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/prod ... y/2016/usa

All I'm seeing is CT, NY, NJ, DC, FL, IL, CA, and OR.

That might be an artifact of how Free Wine-Searcher censors results, but it's not encouraging.

If you narrow it down to single-state listings, then GA, VA, MO and TX each have a single listing at $45:

https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/prod ... 016/usa-ga
https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/prod ... 016/usa-va
https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/prod ... 016/usa-mo
https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/prod ... 016/usa-tx

Three hits in WA:

https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/prod ... 016/usa-wa

But nothing in NC, SC, IN, OH, PA, MN, WI, MI, CO, AZ, etc.
I've seen it on the shelves here in Minneapolis for about $45. Meanwhile I just had the 2016 Produttori Langhe Nebbiolo which I thought was outstanding.

PA state store is still selling the 2015 and 13 & 14 Riservas

#19 Post by **Kevin Porter** » February 5th, 2020, 6:40 am

AD Northup wrote: ↑
February 5th, 2020, 6:37 am
PA state store is still selling the 2015 and 13 & 14 Riservas

Yep - they've been on the shelves in the well-heated stores, sometimes in direct sun, in the sun since they hit the market.

#20 Post by **AD Northup** » February 5th, 2020, 7:19 am

Kevin Porter wrote: ↑
February 5th, 2020, 6:40 am

AD Northup wrote: ↑
February 5th, 2020, 6:37 am
PA state store is still selling the 2015 and 13 & 14 Riservas
Yep - they've been on the shelves in the well-heated stores, sometimes in direct sun, in the sun since they hit the market.

Not suggesting to buy, just stating that's whats available in PA. Prices are less than appealing anyway.

#21 Post by **Dave McIsaac** » February 5th, 2020, 1:44 pm

*Sigh* I am weak........

Anyone in NE Ohio want to go in on a case? I would be in for 3-4

#22 Post by **Chris Seiber** » February 5th, 2020, 2:19 pm

What does BALANCE stand for?

#23 Post by **David Glasser** » February 5th, 2020, 9:14 pm

Chris Seiber wrote: ↑
February 5th, 2020, 2:19 pm
What does BALANCE stand for?

I think it’s related to office chair design.

Martin Zwick · #24 Post by **Martin Zwick** » February 5th, 2020, 10:01 pm

David Glasser wrote: ↑
February 5th, 2020, 9:14 pm

Chris Seiber wrote: ↑
February 5th, 2020, 2:19 pm
What does BALANCE stand for?
I think it’s related to office chair design.

hahahaha.........touché

Martin Zwick · #25 Post by **Martin Zwick** » February 5th, 2020, 10:13 pm

Chris Seiber wrote: ↑
February 5th, 2020, 2:19 pm
What does BALANCE stand for?

BALANCE means when the key elements of a wine are in perfect harmony. Or like I say at tastings or write in TN, "everything is on the right place".

Technically speaking, the key elements of a wine are fruit, acidity, alcohol, tannin and extract.

For me personally, in addition the key elements are structure, depth, freshness, elegance and drinking pleasure. You can also add length, agebility and sensitive oak management etc.

Especially in outstanding vintages like 2016 you taste/feel and understand the word BALANCE, as I drank (not tasted!) several high-ranking wines from Bordeaux and Italy in the last months.

#26 Post by **L e e H olland** » February 6th, 2020, 7:16 am

I've tried three bottles so far. I found it a bit disjointed with prominent oak notes for several hours after opening in each bottle, but it all comes together on Day 2 and is absolutely singing.

Dale Williams · #27 Post by **Dale Williams** » February 6th, 2020, 8:01 am

Surprised at prominent oak notes, I thought this was always fermented in steel and then into old large botti?

#28 Post by **D@vid Bu3ker** » February 6th, 2020, 8:13 am

Yep. Perhaps they were breaking in replacement botti...

Though I have had it twice now, and no oak prominence at all.

Martin Zwick · #29 Post by **Martin Zwick** » February 6th, 2020, 8:43 am

Oak???

#30 Post by **L e e H olland** » February 6th, 2020, 11:29 am

Well if there isn't any oak, then it's probably just my inability to describe what I am tasting. I just recall fairly strong vanilla notes and gripping tannin, which I generally associate with oak. I will certainly defer to others with more experience.

The second day whatever I am tasting is completely gone or integrated.

#31 Post by **D@vid Bu3ker** » February 6th, 2020, 11:30 am

Gripping tannin is textbook Nebbiolo

The vanilla is odd though. Never noted that in a Produttori wine.

#32 Post by **Robert.A.Jr.** » February 6th, 2020, 12:09 pm

Rare Wine Compnay just released a Jerobaum offer for the 1990 vintage at $495, for you Produttori fans!

#33 Post by **Eric Guido** » February 6th, 2020, 12:36 pm

Martin Zwick wrote: ↑
February 5th, 2020, 3:27 am
P.S. Best on Day 2

I don´t decant, as I drink wines over 2-3 days.

I whole-heartedly agree, nothing like watching a Nebbiolo come to life over the course of a couple of days. Also, I'm not really happy with the results of decanting (such as: leaving the wine in the decanter and not just using it to remove sediment) Nebbiolo.

#34 Post by **David Glasser** » February 6th, 2020, 4:12 pm

I swore I’d keep my hands off these after opening a bottle of the 2015 about a year ago - just way too closed and tannic. But it was impossible to resist all the enablement here.

All the pieces are there but very closed and tannic over 5 hours. I stuck a Repour in it and came back the next day. The Repour did its job because it took all day (8 more hours) to open up. Destined for greatness, I’m glad I bought a case, but the rest are going to sleep for a decade or more.

#35 Post by **AD Northup** » February 6th, 2020, 4:27 pm

This thread is trying to make me pull the trigger on more, but need to stay strong will all the releases happening/having just happened

#36 Post by **David Glasser** » February 6th, 2020, 4:43 pm

AD Northup wrote: ↑
February 6th, 2020, 4:27 pm
This thread is trying to make me pull the trigger on more, but need to stay strong will all the releases happening/having just happened

Under $30/bottle at wine.com with a $100 off $300 coupon.

#37 Post by **AD Northup** » February 6th, 2020, 4:52 pm

David Glasser wrote: ↑
February 6th, 2020, 4:43 pm

AD Northup wrote: ↑
February 6th, 2020, 4:27 pm
This thread is trying to make me pull the trigger on more, but need to stay strong will all the releases happening/having just happened
Under $30/bottle at wine.com with a $100 off $300 coupon.

Bunch of enablers

#38 Post by **Mattstolz** » February 6th, 2020, 5:13 pm

does anyone know when this wine will actually start hitting shop shelves?

#39 Post by **John Preston** » February 6th, 2020, 5:27 pm

Mattstolz wrote: ↑
February 6th, 2020, 5:13 pm
does anyone know when this wine will actually start hitting shop shelves?

I already purchased mine from Vin Chicago and Binnys...

Cheers,
JP

#40 Post by **C. Keller** » February 6th, 2020, 6:48 pm

Mattstolz wrote: ↑
February 6th, 2020, 5:13 pm
does anyone know when this wine will actually start hitting shop shelves?

Its on the shelves up here in the Northeast.

#41 Post by **David Glasser** » February 6th, 2020, 6:49 pm

MacArthur has had it for a few months. Lots of places showing on Wine Searcher.

#42 Post by **Mattstolz** » February 6th, 2020, 7:33 pm

John Preston wrote: ↑
February 6th, 2020, 5:27 pm

Mattstolz wrote: ↑
February 6th, 2020, 5:13 pm
does anyone know when this wine will actually start hitting shop shelves?
I already purchased mine from Vin Chicago and Binnys...

Cheers,
JP

C. Keller wrote: ↑
February 6th, 2020, 6:48 pm

Mattstolz wrote: ↑
February 6th, 2020, 5:13 pm
does anyone know when this wine will actually start hitting shop shelves?
Its on the shelves up here in the Northeast.

is that true of the 2015 Riservas for y'all as well? Ive bought a couple 2016 normale from Envoyer as pre arrivals, but normally around me it hits shelves at the same time as the Riservas

Martin Zwick · #43 Post by **Martin Zwick** » February 7th, 2020, 12:28 am

Just found a TN on a German wine-board from last november and no mention of oak and certainly not vanilla. They also praised the quality and QPR, in Germany around 30 Euro.

Barbaresco von Produttori Barbaresco 2016

"Im Zalto Universal verkostet: strahlendes transparentes kirschrot; eher ausgeprägte ätherische Nase, rote frische Beeren (insbesondere Himbeere und Preiselbeere), etwas sanfter Pflaumenbrand, mit Luft heller kühler Tabak, dezentes Unterholz, im Hintergrund animierender Hauch Gummi, lädt richtiggehend zum Schnüffeln ein; am Gaumen frische ausgeprägte rote Säure (rote Ribisel), die momentan sogar das ausgeprägte feinkörnige Tannin überdeckt, der Gaumen wird momentan von einem etwas herben aber angenehmen Grundton beherrscht, etwas erdige Mineralität und brauner Kräutertee, dies spiegelt einen schönen Wiederpart zu dem 2.ten etwas likörigen fruchtigen Eindruck am Gaumen wieder, diese drei Komponenten (Säure, likörige Frucht, herbe Mineralik) müssen aber noch zusammenwachsen, Luft und Wärme zeigen aber schön den Weg zur Harmonie, den der Wein nehmen wird, 93 RPunkte

nach 7 Tagen Reifung in 0,25l Flasche: schöne harmonische rote Nase, rote reife Beeren, Kirsch, auch etwas Kirschzuckerln, im Hintergrund schöne frische grüne Kräuternoten, etwas Gummi; am Gaumen frische rotbeerige Säure, feinkörniges Tannin, mittelgewichtiger Körper, schöner aromatischer Gaumen, frisch, rotbeerig, etwas grüne Kräutertöne, dezente Kirschnote im Nachhall, feine Länge, zeigt eine schöne Harmonie nach 7 Tagen, trotz der Jugend schon sehr süffig."

93/100

#44 Post by **David Glasser** » February 7th, 2020, 7:35 am

Mattstolz wrote: ↑
February 6th, 2020, 7:33 pm

John Preston wrote: ↑
February 6th, 2020, 5:27 pm

Mattstolz wrote: ↑
February 6th, 2020, 5:13 pm
does anyone know when this wine will actually start hitting shop shelves?
I already purchased mine from Vin Chicago and Binnys...

Cheers,
JP

C. Keller wrote: ↑
February 6th, 2020, 6:48 pm

Mattstolz wrote: ↑
February 6th, 2020, 5:13 pm
does anyone know when this wine will actually start hitting shop shelves?
Its on the shelves up here in the Northeast.
is that true of the 2015 Riservas for y'all as well? Ive bought a couple 2016 normale from Envoyer as pre arrivals, but normally around me it hits shelves at the same time as the Riservas

Haven’t seen any 2016 Riservas, don’t think they’re released yet.

#45 Post by **L e e H olland** » February 7th, 2020, 7:51 am

Martin, I agree that it's a great wine and a great QPR. I only posted to say that my bottles have taken rather significant time to reach that point, as opposed to being great from the first sip.

I have willing conceded that I struggle describing tasting notes. I am new here and relatively new to drinking wine. It's probably a combination of tobacco, tea, clove, anise, which are all regularly noted on cellar tracker and elsewhere, that my nose/palate is oversimplifying to vanilla and oak. Whatever it is, I agree that is comes into perfect balance by day two.

I hope we both get to enjoy several more bottles as I think this is going to be stunning with age.

Fred Davis · #46 Post by **Fred Davis** » February 7th, 2020, 7:55 am

I'm considering buying a few bottles to drink, but what do people think about the price evolution of this bottle over time?

#47 Post by **David Glasser** » February 7th, 2020, 8:24 am

Fred Davis wrote: ↑
February 7th, 2020, 7:55 am
I'm considering buying a few bottles to drink, but what do people think about the price evolution of this bottle over time?

If you’re contemplating buying now vs. in a year or so, I doubt there will be much change unless someone rates it 98-100 points, but most critics have already weighed in. Longer-term, as they increase in age and scarcity, retail prices on Wine Searcher seem to jump at ~30 years.

Fred Davis · #48 Post by **Fred Davis** » February 7th, 2020, 8:37 am

David Glasser wrote: ↑
February 7th, 2020, 8:24 am

Fred Davis wrote: ↑
February 7th, 2020, 7:55 am
I'm considering buying a few bottles to drink, but what do people think about the price evolution of this bottle over time?
If you’re contemplating buying now vs. in a year or so, I doubt there will be much change unless someone rates it 98-100 points, but most critics have already weighed in. Longer-term, as they increase in age and scarcity, retail prices on Wine Searcher seem to jump at ~30 years.

That's good to know. It's interesting how the price will be higher at very old age (due to scarcity) than it will be at peak drinking time (say around 10 years).

#49 Post by **Alan Newman** » February 7th, 2020, 8:55 am

Per Wine Spectator: 7,500 cases imported.

How many cases have WBers bought?

#50 Post by **mike pobega** » February 7th, 2020, 3:16 pm

2 for me. lol