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Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 4:56 am
by Dinesh Goyal
Friends, would love to stock up on some aged Bordeaux that’s not super expensive.

Key criteria being
1 10-20 years of bottle age
2. UK 12 bottle case price of < $1200

I am aware of the 25% duty and willing to wait it out.

So far the best two options I have come up with are

2005 Grand Puy Lacoste
2005 Leoville Poyferre

Any other suggestions would be great.

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 4:59 am
by Howard Cooper
I would only buy Leoville Poyferre if you like super rich, very modern styled Bordeaux. Very different in style from Grand Puy Lacoste.

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 5:03 am
by Neal.Mollen
Dinesh Goyal wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 4:56 am
Friends, would love to stock up on some aged Bordeaux that’s not super expensive.

Key criteria being
1 10-20 years of bottle age
2. UK 12 bottle case price of < $1200

I am aware of the 25% duty and willing to wait it out.

So far the best two options I have come up with are

2005 Grand Puy Lacoste
2005 Leoville Poyferre

Any other suggestions would be great.
Sort of an open-ended question, and I have no idea what is available in the UK or the prices. As for the two wines listed, the GPL is likely to please if you lean towards a traditional style, and the Leo P if you like the so-called "modern" profile. For me, both wines are almost certain to benefit from lots more time in the cellar, so I am not sure how suitable they are if you are looking for something to drink.

More generally, and if you are looking to consume now, I'd look for wines in the 1999, 2001, 2002, and 2004 vintages, and for much older wines, for 83 and 85. Recommending specific wines won't help much because availability is going to be scattershot

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 5:07 am
by Dinesh Goyal
Neal.Mollen wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 5:03 am
Dinesh Goyal wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 4:56 am
Friends, would love to stock up on some aged Bordeaux that’s not super expensive.

Key criteria being
1 10-20 years of bottle age
2. UK 12 bottle case price of < $1200

I am aware of the 25% duty and willing to wait it out.

So far the best two options I have come up with are

2005 Grand Puy Lacoste
2005 Leoville Poyferre

Any other suggestions would be great.
Sort of an open-ended question, and I have no idea what is available in the UK or the prices. As for the two wines listed, the GPL is likely to please if you lean towards a traditional style, and the Leo P if you like the so-called "modern" profile. For me, both wines are almost certain to benefit from lots more time in the cellar, so I am not sure how suitable they are if you are looking for something to drink.

More generally, and if you are looking to consume now, I'd look for wines in the 1999, 2001, 2002, and 2004 vintages, and for much older wines, for 83 and 85. Recommending specific wines won't help much because availability is going to be scattershot
Thanks Neal. Open ended is a matter of perspective :) Eg asking for a wine recommendation for <$100 would be open ended.

Anyway I appreciate your point that not many people will have access to UK prices. I said UK prices only because I find back vintages a lot easier to procure in the UK with a reliable pricing.

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 5:15 am
by Neal.Mollen
The only reds I buy these days are ready-to-drink bdx (and infrequently burgs) so the kind of wines you are talking about. And I have no way of directing you to specific wines because it is a matter of paying attention to offers and striking when you see something good. They pop up every now and then, but specific wines pop up at value prices so infrequently that naming specific wines is not really possible.

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 5:20 am
by Robert.A.Jr.
Dinesh Goyal wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 4:56 am
Friends, would love to stock up on some aged Bordeaux that’s not super expensive.

Key criteria being
1 10-20 years of bottle age
2. UK 12 bottle case price of < $1200

I am aware of the 25% duty and willing to wait it out.

So far the best two options I have come up with are

2005 Grand Puy Lacoste
2005 Leoville Poyferre

Any other suggestions would be great.
Neither of two wines appear available in the US for under $100, best price I saw was $125.

GPL would be an excellent choice, however.

Neal’s recommendation of 2001 and 2004 is solid, I just grabbed some 2004 Haut Bailly for $60. 2008 may be a solid grab as well. Haut Bailly is excellent in 2008.

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 5:38 am
by Neal.Mollen
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 5:20 am
Dinesh Goyal wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 4:56 am
Friends, would love to stock up on some aged Bordeaux that’s not super expensive.

Key criteria being
1 10-20 years of bottle age
2. UK 12 bottle case price of < $1200

I am aware of the 25% duty and willing to wait it out.

So far the best two options I have come up with are

2005 Grand Puy Lacoste
2005 Leoville Poyferre

Any other suggestions would be great.
Neither of two wines appear available in the US for under $100, best price I saw was $125.

GPL would be an excellent choice, however.

Neal’s recommendation of 2001 and 2004 is solid, I just grabbed some 2004 Haut Bailly for $60. 2008 may be a solid grab as well. Haut Bailly is excellent in 2008.
I'd have been all over that 04 HB!

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 5:53 am
by YLee
Damn. I want some $60 haut bailly

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 6:35 am
by Dinesh Goyal
I am getting 2004 Haut Bailly for $65 in the UK and 2008 for $85.

Lowest US price is $80 and $100 respectively.

Given the shipping cost and uncertainty on tax, it’s not enough difference to import.

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 6:37 am
by Howard Cooper
Neal.Mollen wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 5:03 am
Dinesh Goyal wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 4:56 am
Friends, would love to stock up on some aged Bordeaux that’s not super expensive.

Key criteria being
1 10-20 years of bottle age
2. UK 12 bottle case price of < $1200

I am aware of the 25% duty and willing to wait it out.

So far the best two options I have come up with are

2005 Grand Puy Lacoste
2005 Leoville Poyferre

Any other suggestions would be great.
Sort of an open-ended question, and I have no idea what is available in the UK or the prices. As for the two wines listed, the GPL is likely to please if you lean towards a traditional style, and the Leo P if you like the so-called "modern" profile. For me, both wines are almost certain to benefit from lots more time in the cellar, so I am not sure how suitable they are if you are looking for something to drink.

More generally, and if you are looking to consume now, I'd look for wines in the 1999, 2001, 2002, and 2004 vintages, and for much older wines, for 83 and 85. Recommending specific wines won't help much because availability is going to be scattershot
Thinking of vintages, I would also look for 1996s from the Medoc.

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 6:53 am
by Jayson Cohen
Neal.Mollen wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 5:38 am
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 5:20 am
Dinesh Goyal wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 4:56 am
Friends, would love to stock up on some aged Bordeaux that’s not super expensive.

Key criteria being
1 10-20 years of bottle age
2. UK 12 bottle case price of < $1200

I am aware of the 25% duty and willing to wait it out.

So far the best two options I have come up with are

2005 Grand Puy Lacoste
2005 Leoville Poyferre

Any other suggestions would be great.
Neither of two wines appear available in the US for under $100, best price I saw was $125.

GPL would be an excellent choice, however.

Neal’s recommendation of 2001 and 2004 is solid, I just grabbed some 2004 Haut Bailly for $60. 2008 may be a solid grab as well. Haut Bailly is excellent in 2008.
I'd have been all over that 04 HB!
I’ve seen it too. Cellar release?

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 6:56 am
by Jayson Cohen
Still not clear to me if you want current drinking only or drink and cellar or only to cellar. Citing 2005 wines suggests only to cellar.

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 7:03 am
by Doug Schulman
Neal.Mollen wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 5:03 am
More generally, and if you are looking to consume now, I'd look for wines in the 1999, 2001, 2002, and 2004 vintages, and for much older wines, for 83 and 85. Recommending specific wines won't help much because availability is going to be scattershot
I agree. Good 2005s need time. I have no experience with 2002, but I've had several wines from each of the other vintages Neal mentions that have been in a good place in the past couple of years. A lot of back vintage Bordeaux gets sold in the US. You don't have to buy in the UK.

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 7:21 am
by John J
Socciando Mallet?

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 7:37 am
by Mike Reff
Cantemerle?

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 7:38 am
by AAgrawal
I've had '96 Lagrange multiple times over the past 2 years and it has been exactly what I look for in high quality fully mature Bordeaux. I also had a 2000 Clerc Milon which was excellent now but will also age for a bit longer. Both of these are available ~$100 in the US, potentially less if you search/wait for auction.

Lots of lovely bordeaux < $100 that is fully mature. I would encourage looking for older bottles (ie: Not 2005) if you're looking to try them anytime in the next few years.

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 8:30 am
by Alex Frank
Neal.Mollen wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 5:03 am
More generally, and if you are looking to consume now, I'd look for wines in the 1999, 2001, 2002, and 2004 vintages, and for much older wines, for 83 and 85.

I second this. I've recently enjoyed a '01 GPL and an '02 Pontet Canet, both were drinking beautifully (especially the GPL) and were $100 or less including auction premiums.

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 8:36 am
by Dinesh Goyal
Jayson Cohen wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 6:56 am
Still not clear to me if you want current drinking only or drink and cellar or only to cellar. Citing 2005 wines suggests only to cellar.
Drink and cellar. But cellaring is really for the short term (< 5 years). So ideally something that’s drinking well and becomes even better with some more age.

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 8:45 am
by J.Vizuete
10-20 years of bottle age to me implies intent to buy and wait or has a palate preference for younger BDX. In that vein, 05 Poyferre may not be a bad call. My own perspective when backfilling is to look for slightly more mature wines (I'm in to 89-90s, and 95/96) that I plan to drink in the next year or two, but to the OP:

Strong second on Haut Bailly. '98 was also a good vintage, slightly beyond the given age range
Don't count out Ch. Issan, which is incredibly ageworthy. Even great vintages can be found for <$100 ('85, '89, '90, '00, '05)
2004 Pontet Canet the other night was drinking very, very well, seems to auction around $80
Board wisdom would suggest Meyney, Sociando, Cantemerle.
"Off" vintages of Montrose age very well, and I've had good experience with Calon Segur (pushing it price-wise). I would search for 2001 and 2004, and broaden to 95 (right) 96 (left) and 98 (both)

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 8:45 am
by Hank Victor
Dinesh are you located in the USA or UK?

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 8:55 am
by D@ve D y r 0 f f
Mike Reff wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 7:37 am
Catemerle?
This was my first thought as well. Shocked that Alf didn't mention it!

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 8:59 am
by Robert.A.Jr.
D@ve D y r 0 f f wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 8:55 am
Mike Reff wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 7:37 am
Catemerle?
This was my first thought as well. Shocked that Alf didn't mention it!

LOL. I’m like a broken record. Woulda mentioned Sociando as well, but some DC hot shot lawyer doesn’t like it and finds it atypical. [snort.gif]

PS. Cantemerle 2000 is quite nice but 2009 and 2010 another notch above. Was not thrilled with 2005.

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 9:58 am
by Rudi Finkler
Hank Victor wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 8:45 am
Dinesh are you located in the USA or UK?
viewtopic.php?t=154124

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 10:04 am
by Mark Golodetz
Dinesh Goyal wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 6:35 am
I am getting 2004 Haut Bailly for $65 in the UK and 2008 for $85.

Lowest US price is $80 and $100 respectively.

Given the shipping cost and uncertainty on tax, it’s not enough difference to import.
The Haut Bailly 2008 is one of the wines of the vintage. Hits the criteria, and from bottle , at the very beginning of maturity

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 10:10 am
by Dinesh Goyal
Hank Victor wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 8:45 am
Dinesh are you located in the USA or UK?
US but I do often procure in the UK, particularly for back vintages.

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 10:35 am
by Michael Manix
I had a 2005 Brane-Cantenac the other night which was really nice. Mid-weight, proper claret. Should drink well over the next decade. Case price in UK is less than $1,000 USD.

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 10:43 am
by RichardFlack
Batailley in Paulliac is affordable and needs time.

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 12:14 pm
by Ross W
For me, almost any vintage of Socciando Mallet (as someone else already mentioned), Chasse Spleen or Clos Labroy (89 or 90). All three are relative bargains in the expense world of Bordeaux and can all be had for sub $100.

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 3:12 pm
by Dan Kravitz
Why are you buying in London? Especially now... you say you'll wait out the tariffs, but that could be two days or two decades.

Lanessan 1990, 1996, 2000 and 2005 are all available stateside for half the price you are willing to pay. The 1990 was fabulous earlier this year.

Sociando Mallet is another good suggestion. Haut-Marbuzet is surprisingly hard to find, but Lafon-Rochet is not. Boyd-Cantenac. Batailley. And don't get me started on the other side of the river.

Dan Kravitz

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 3:22 pm
by Craig G
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 8:59 am
D@ve D y r 0 f f wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 8:55 am
Mike Reff wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 7:37 am
Catemerle?
This was my first thought as well. Shocked that Alf didn't mention it!

LOL. I’m like a broken record. Woulda mentioned Sociando as well, but some DC hot shot lawyer doesn’t like it and finds it atypical. [snort.gif]

PS. Cantemerle 2000 is quite nice but 2009 and 2010 another notch above. Was not thrilled with 2005.
If willing to go a bit older, the 1996 is great and drinks perfectly.

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 4:33 pm
by Colin Haggerty
The 2010 Cantemerle is an amazing value. We recently had a bottle in London. If you fast-forward to 9/18/2019, you will see what I thought of it. [cheers.gif]

Visiting London, Galway, Dublin and Paris

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 4:46 pm
by PCLIN
Mike Reff wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 7:37 am
Catemerle?

Definitely. Recently I picked up a case of ‘66 Cantemerle for a cool £340/case...that should be less than US$50 a bottle including all charges.

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 8:14 pm
by Doug Uno
Where do you guys buy these older wines from?

Thanks for your help.🙂

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 7th, 2019, 4:25 am
by Robert.A.Jr.
Colin Haggerty wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 4:33 pm
The 2010 Cantemerle is an amazing value. We recently had a bottle in London. If you fast-forward to 9/18/2019, you will see what I thought of it. [cheers.gif]

Visiting London, Galway, Dublin and Paris

Wow, fantastic trip! Sign me up for that entire itinerary. Thanks for sharing all the pics, even if I did feel like a happy voyeur! And I concur, that 2010 is fantastic.

[cheers.gif]

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 7th, 2019, 5:45 am
by Mich@el Ch@ng
DDC?

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 7th, 2019, 7:39 am
by YLee
Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
November 7th, 2019, 5:45 am
DDC?
+1
Although it doesnt get much love on this board, I think it's a great wine.

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 7th, 2019, 7:44 am
by Neal.Mollen
YLee wrote:
November 7th, 2019, 7:39 am
Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
November 7th, 2019, 5:45 am
DDC?
+1
Although it doesnt get much love on this board, I think it's a great wine.
Hmmmm

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=164759

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 7th, 2019, 8:17 am
by Colin Haggerty
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
November 7th, 2019, 4:25 am
Colin Haggerty wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 4:33 pm
The 2010 Cantemerle is an amazing value. We recently had a bottle in London. If you fast-forward to 9/18/2019, you will see what I thought of it. [cheers.gif]

Visiting London, Galway, Dublin and Paris

Wow, fantastic trip! Sign me up for that entire itinerary. Thanks for sharing all the pics, even if I did feel like a happy voyeur! And I concur, that 2010 is fantastic.

[cheers.gif]
Thanks Robert. [thankyou.gif] I was self-employed for many years, making travel difficult. We are now trying to make up for lost time.

Colin

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 7th, 2019, 8:24 am
by YLee
Neal.Mollen wrote:
November 7th, 2019, 7:44 am
YLee wrote:
November 7th, 2019, 7:39 am
Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
November 7th, 2019, 5:45 am
DDC?
+1
Although it doesnt get much love on this board, I think it's a great wine.
Hmmmm

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=164759
There are other threads where many didnt like DDC post 1990s.

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 7th, 2019, 2:29 pm
by Nathan Smyth

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 7th, 2019, 8:42 pm
by Dustin Buchko
2005 d'Issan

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 8th, 2019, 4:08 am
by PCLIN
Dustin Buchko wrote:
November 7th, 2019, 8:42 pm
2005 d'Issan

Love that wine.

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 8th, 2019, 9:16 am
by Marcu$ Stanley
There are so many great Bordeaux that can be backfilled for under $100.

If you are looking to minimize your expenditure while getting a really good wine there are lots of good suggestions here. But honestly, if you are looking to maximize your wine value for under $100/bottle then the two wines you suggested in the OP, the 2005 Grand Puy Lacoste and 2005 Leoville Poyferre, are excellent choices. They are both great wines, although in very different styles (the LP more modern and flashy, the GPL very classic). I don't know that you can do better than those two for under $100. In fact neither is available in the US for that price, so if you can actually get them for under $100 with good provenance I would just grab them.

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 8th, 2019, 11:16 am
by Jay Miller
Speaking of GPL I often see case auction pricing on the 1995 or 1996 at around $1000 or so. I'm still working on a case of the 1995 I bought some years back and have been very happy and look forward to following its future development.

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 8th, 2019, 6:00 pm
by Leonard Maran
Benchmark has a 1.5, magnum of the 2005 Grand Puy Lacoste for $224.00

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: November 8th, 2019, 6:34 pm
by Dan Kravitz
Haven't read the thread links, but I've been buying and loving Domaine de Chevalier for many decades. Thinking hard about cracking the first bottle of my case of 2005 as it is now getting cool here in Maine.

Dan Kravitz

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: December 29th, 2019, 9:46 am
by Mark R
I have a sale listing in commerce corner that would have a lot of “fits” with what you seek in the OP, including many of the response recommendations. Not sure where in the US you are, Dinesh, but if a cool weather shipping window opens in the next month or so (it’s 80 in Miami today - too hot), I’m eager to sell:

BORDEAUX
1972 Chateau Lafite x1 $300
2000 Lafon Rochet x1 (lowest online US $75) $60
2000 Duhart Milon Rothschild x3 (lowest US $115) $100
2000 Pontet Canet x1 [$250 for the 2000 and 2001]
2001 Pontet Canet x1 [$250 for the 2000 and 2001]
2000 d'Issan x1 [$750 for all 6 2000 and 2005 bottles]
2005 d'Issan x5 [$750 for all 6 2000 and 2005 bottles]
2005 La Clotte x2 $60
2005 Kirwan x14 $95
2006 La Gaffeliere x6 $85
2004 Leoville Barton x6 $100
2005 Leoville Barton x14 $140

... and more. My post is at viewtopic.php?f=7&t=165064&p=2857255#p2857255

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: December 30th, 2019, 5:54 am
by JC J o u a s
Shameless plugging aside, I think the 2004 Leoville Barton that Mark R is offering up above is a really good candidate at $100/btl and fits the bill to a T.

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: December 30th, 2019, 7:53 am
by Brian Thorne
2000 Branaire Ducru is drinking exceptionally well, and is in the $100 range.

Re: Bordeaux with 10-20 years and < $100

Posted: December 30th, 2019, 8:51 am
by JonathanG
I bought quite a few BDX in the 10-20 yr range from the K&L auctions. Just followed them weekly, found ones with good CT scores, and I scored some great gems. Best one was a 1986 Sociando for $40/bottle (x4). I now have over 5 cases of BDX to enjoy over the next few years while my younger stuff gets more cellar time.

Commerce Corner can be your friend also. Just post up in there you are looking for 10-20 yr BDX, and you'll get a million PMs.