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#1 Post by Gray G » November 4th, 2019, 2:28 pm



fun idea
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#2 Post by Anton D » November 4th, 2019, 2:57 pm

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fun idea
I would only send 6 back....write it off as relativity effect, or some such.
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#3 Post by Robert M yers » November 4th, 2019, 4:15 pm

A year? That seems a little light on the aging process.

Maybe cellars will become a thing of the past and our children will create “space cellars” to hold the wine at its peak forever?

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#4 Post by MikeHill » November 4th, 2019, 4:46 pm

How long does the board recommend they let the wine sit after the return trip to ensure no bottle shock?

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#5 Post by Alan Rath » November 4th, 2019, 5:00 pm

That is the ultimate travel shock test!
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#6 Post by Jason T » November 5th, 2019, 1:00 am

Hopefully it’s a case of a single wine, and they have a control case back on planet earth stored at the same temp/humidity. Otherwise between those variables and cork variability any differences may lack meaning.
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#7 Post by Al Osterheld » November 5th, 2019, 6:00 am

They have a control case of the same Bordeaux to compare. But, it sounds like most of the bottles will be sold along with other items that have flown to generate the money to fund the research. I'm guessing that's "research" rather than research, but I may be biased.

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#8 Post by AndrewH » November 5th, 2019, 10:16 am

Will tariffs be imposed upon return?
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#9 Post by Hal Blumberg » November 5th, 2019, 5:53 pm

What protocol would Francois perform on space-aged wines?

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#10 Post by Rauno E (NZ) » November 5th, 2019, 6:42 pm

I cannot see how they could have involved anyone actually credible in the aging of wines in designing the experiment like this. For most of us, of course, the right answer is to accelerate the person through space, returning having subjectively aged only a year while their recently acquired wines are now approaching peak :)!
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#11 Post by Anton D » November 7th, 2019, 4:40 pm

Hal Blumberg wrote:
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What protocol would Francois perform on space-aged wines?
He originally performed this type of test with one of these...

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It was done with Thomas Jefferson wines and was indescribably delicious.

He then had his pal Ben Franklin lift a bottle up with a kite during an electrical storm and it was struck by lightning....he stated it caused bottle shock.
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#12 Post by Neal.Mollen » November 8th, 2019, 7:41 am

It would seem to me that we would have to have a solid scientific base of understanding about the aging process on earth for a study of aging in space to have any scientific value. And we don't.
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#13 Post by Al Osterheld » November 8th, 2019, 8:45 am

Yes, as far as I can tell, it's a start-up trying to develop a market for items flown in space, not a science experiment.

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#14 Post by Anton D » November 8th, 2019, 11:32 am

Neal.Mollen wrote:
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It would seem to me that we would have to have a solid scientific base of understanding about the aging process on earth for a study of aging in space to have any scientific value. And we don't.
It would be cool to find a way to let all that cosmic radiation bombard a bottle for that time in space and see what happens.
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#15 Post by Alan Rath » November 8th, 2019, 12:37 pm

Anton D wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 11:32 am
Neal.Mollen wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 7:41 am
It would seem to me that we would have to have a solid scientific base of understanding about the aging process on earth for a study of aging in space to have any scientific value. And we don't.
It would be cool to find a way to let all that cosmic radiation bombard a bottle for that time in space and see what happens.
Presumably the bottle will be inside the station, which is fairly well protected (though still subject to more than here on earth). Given that whatever processes are happening during "good" aging *aren't* driven by cosmic rays, it seems unlikely that whatever additional is going to happen in space will be a positive, but who knows. The "label bias" for drinking a wine having flown in space must be tremendous [wow.gif]

On a side note, I hope the folks involved in climate policy start making noise about these kinds of unnecessary space excursions. Launching a space vehicle takes a tremendous amount of energy, which ultimately translates into a tremendous amount of CO2 production, one way or the other.
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#16 Post by Anton D » November 8th, 2019, 12:45 pm

Alan Rath wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 12:37 pm
Anton D wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 11:32 am
Neal.Mollen wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 7:41 am
It would seem to me that we would have to have a solid scientific base of understanding about the aging process on earth for a study of aging in space to have any scientific value. And we don't.
It would be cool to find a way to let all that cosmic radiation bombard a bottle for that time in space and see what happens.
Presumably the bottle will be inside the station, which is fairly well protected (though still subject to more than here on earth). Given that whatever processes are happening during "good" aging *aren't* driven by cosmic rays, it seems unlikely that whatever additional is going to happen in space will be a positive, but who knows. The "label bias" for drinking a wine having flown in space must be tremendous [wow.gif]

On a side note, I hope the folks involved in climate policy start making noise about these kinds of unnecessary space excursions. Launching a space vehicle takes a tremendous amount of energy, which ultimately translates into a tremendous amount of CO2 production, one way or the other.
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I have a friend who has a friend who runs bottles of wine through the MRI machines, CT machines, and Radiation Therapy machines in the facility where he works. (He used to put bottles in their now defunct nuclear accelerator just for grins.) He says it 'instantly' imparts the benefits of fine aging on the wines he subjects to his process...but then the bastard won't let other people try his work to see! So, I can't tell you if he is FOS, or not...I suspect he is.

Anywho, I'm more interested in what would happen, not whether it would necessarily be "better."
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#17 Post by Alan Rath » November 8th, 2019, 12:52 pm

On the MRI, he's FOS, that I can assure you. CT or radiation therapy can cause real chemical changes, so it wouldn't surprise me to find "something" - though both (particularly CT) are intended to deliver low doses of radiation. In any case, there is no way they are experiencing anything like "normal aging".
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#18 Post by Anton D » November 8th, 2019, 1:03 pm

Alan Rath wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 12:52 pm
In any case, there is no way they are experiencing anything like "normal aging".
What if it's better than normal aging?

We could start a niche.

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#19 Post by Alan Rath » November 8th, 2019, 1:07 pm

Anton D wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 1:03 pm
Alan Rath wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 12:52 pm
In any case, there is no way they are experiencing anything like "normal aging".
What if it's better than normal aging?

We could start a niche.

S & M Wine.
Here's another suggestion: wrap each bottle with expensive speaker cable, and play different kinds of music around them. I'll bet that does wonders! neener
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#20 Post by Anton D » November 8th, 2019, 1:52 pm

Alan Rath wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 1:07 pm
Anton D wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 1:03 pm
Alan Rath wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 12:52 pm
In any case, there is no way they are experiencing anything like "normal aging".
What if it's better than normal aging?

We could start a niche.

S & M Wine.
Here's another suggestion: wrap each bottle with expensive speaker cable, and play different kinds of music around them. I'll bet that does wonders! neener
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