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Austrian Reds?

#1 Post by Jim Brennan » November 2nd, 2019, 4:45 pm

So there's a thread about Austrian White Wines (viewtopic.php?f=1&t=131518&p=2084495&hi ... s#p2084495)... how about recommendations for Austrian Reds? They don't have to be budget busters... my son is spending the year there, and has started sampling the wines. He reached out to his usual wine expert (me), and frankly I don't know all that much about Austrian reds or which producers are the best to try. Thanks in advance!

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#2 Post by Karl K » November 2nd, 2019, 7:11 pm

Sattler and Wallner are good producers, and Brundlmayer.

Zweigelt, Blaufrankisch,and St Laurent are varieties to look for. And Cabernet Franc.

Lots of very good wines over there which don’t make their way over here - after a year your son could be making recommendations!
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#3 Post by GregT » November 2nd, 2019, 7:25 pm

There are a lot of them.

For example, Weninger, who is doing pretty good Zweigelt, St. Laurent and Blaufränkisch and also has a property over the border in Sopron, Hungary, where he's doing the same so it's an interesting study in terroir.

Tinhof makes a good BF in the hills but it can be pricey. Moric is well-known but the lower end BF is a better value than the more expensive versions IMO.

I like BF but the other grapes can be pretty good. Paul Achs does well with many grapes but he made a wonderful Syrah at one point that I would look for. Steindorfer made a pretty good St. Laurent that wasn't outrageously priced. Pretty much anything from Schloss Gobelsburg is going to be good. And Meinklang, always putting out great value wines.

There are plenty to look for, but those come to mind off the top.
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#4 Post by CoryA » November 2nd, 2019, 8:54 pm

Great thread! I love Austrian reds. Moric is one of my favorites.

If anyone has a good source for Austrian reds, please let me know.
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#5 Post by IlkkaL » November 3rd, 2019, 12:44 am

Claus Preisinger is one of my favorites. Very much on the savory side with huge freshness and drinkability yet by no means too simple or straightforward. Schloss Gobelsburg's Reserve reds are also nice, quite Burgundian in style.
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#6 Post by Mikael OB » November 3rd, 2019, 12:51 pm

IlkkaL wrote:
November 3rd, 2019, 12:44 am
Claus Preisinger is one of my favorites. Very much on the savory side with huge freshness and drinkability yet by no means too simple or straightforward. Schloss Gobelsburg's Reserve reds are also nice, quite Burgundian in style.
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With Austria’s central location in Europe it could be really interesting for your son to visit nearby countries (weekend trips/holidays), not much more than a couple of hours depending on where he is. Know Croatia and Slovenia quite well (Hungary is also close by). Zagreb is a lot of fun and a beautiful city / Ljubljana very pretty is highly recommended (and very safe), or the Dalmatian coast for the summer break.

Feel free to pm me in case he want some suggestions/recommendation (wine/wineries or places to visit).

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#7 Post by Eric Ifune » November 3rd, 2019, 3:56 pm

Excellent Pinot Noir (Spatburgunder) as well.

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#9 Post by Mikko R » November 3rd, 2019, 10:30 pm

IlkkaL wrote:
November 3rd, 2019, 9:51 pm
Mikael OB wrote:
November 3rd, 2019, 12:51 pm
IlkkaL wrote:
November 3rd, 2019, 12:44 am
Claus Preisinger is one of my favorites. Very much on the savory side with huge freshness and drinkability yet by no means too simple or straightforward. Schloss Gobelsburg's Reserve reds are also nice, quite Burgundian in style.
+1

With Austria’s central location in Europe it could be really interesting for your son to visit nearby countries (weekend trips/holidays), not much more than a couple of hours depending on where he is. Know Croatia and Slovenia quite well (Hungary is also close by). Zagreb is a lot of fun and a beautiful city / Ljubljana very pretty is highly recommended (and very safe), or the Dalmatian coast for the summer break.

Feel free to pm me in case he want some suggestions/recommendation (wine/wineries or places to visit).
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#10 Post by Gerhard P. » November 4th, 2019, 12:17 am

Karl K wrote:
November 2nd, 2019, 7:11 pm
Sattler and Wallner are good producers, and Brundlmayer.

Zweigelt, Blaufrankisch,and St Laurent are varieties to look for. And Cabernet Franc.

Lots of very good wines over there which don’t make their way over here - after a year your son could be making recommendations!
Sattler (if you mean Karl Sattler in Jois) and Wallner are good producers, but nowhere near the absolute top ...
There are now so many fine producers in Austria - also for red wine - it´s hard to select only a few for recommendation. Moreover the top wines are getting already quite pricy ...
Please search the forum, I have made quite a lot of recommendations in the past ...

Generally - the major grape varieties for red wine in Austria are
Blaufränkisch,
Zweigelt,
Pinot noir,
St.Laurent
and a lot of cuvees,
usually with Cabernet Sauvignon and Merlot in addition. (Cabernet Franc is rarely used, and only in small quantities),
also some pure CS and Merlot wines.

The best regions for red wine are
- Burgenland (Land of Castles) a) Südburgenland b) Mittelburgenland c) Neusiedlersee-Hügelland (Rosalia, Leithaberg) d) Neusiedlersee
(the latter famous for sweet wines)

- Niederösterreich (Lower Austria), best terroir for Riesling and Grüner Veltliner, but good regions for reds are a) Carnuntum b) Thermenregion c) Weinviertel

- Vienna (some very good reds)

- Steiermark (Styria): great white wines from Sauvignon blanc, Morillon/Chardonnay and others, but some fine reds are produced in the eastern part (Vulkanland)

For each region a lot of fine producers can be named .... some have been mentioned above, but not nearly most of the best ...
Moreover I have absolutely no idea which ones are available in the US ...
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#11 Post by Otto Forsberg » November 4th, 2019, 12:24 am

Gerhard P. wrote:
November 4th, 2019, 12:17 am
For each region a lot of fine producers can be named .... some have been mentioned above, but not nearly most of the best ...
Yet you see no reason to disclose any?
Moreover I have absolutely no idea which ones are available in the US ...
Does it matter if the buyer is in Austria?

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#12 Post by Gerhard P. » November 4th, 2019, 2:43 am

Reason is simply lack of time. Throwing in only a few accidental names is a bit unfair ... but some have been named already above my post.
I´ll see if I can do anything this week.
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#13 Post by Laurent Gibet » November 4th, 2019, 3:47 am

I recently found very good (16/20) : Markus Altenburger Jugenberg 2009.
Good (15,5/20) : Autriche Moric Blaufränkisch 2013.

Feiler-Artinger Solitaire is interesting (with an addition of 11% merlot, 1% cabernet-franc).

In Vinexpo, I could discover 2 UFOs :
Willi Opitz Rot Beerenauslese (Zweigelt/St-Laurent) 1998
Willi Opitz "Opitz One" (TBA Zweigelt) 1997
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#14 Post by TomHill » November 4th, 2019, 7:20 am

Gerhard P. wrote:
November 4th, 2019, 12:17 am
Karl K wrote:
November 2nd, 2019, 7:11 pm
Sattler and Wallner are good producers, and Brundlmayer.

Zweigelt, Blaufrankisch,and St Laurent are varieties to look for. And Cabernet Franc.

Lots of very good wines over there which don’t make their way over here - after a year your son could be making recommendations!
Sattler (if you mean Karl Sattler in Jois) and Wallner are good producers, but nowhere near the absolute top ...
There are now so many fine producers in Austria - also for red wine - it´s hard to select only a few for recommendation. Moreover the top wines are getting already quite pricy ...
Please search the forum, I have made quite a lot of recommendations in the past ...

Generally - the major grape varieties for red wine in Austria are
Blaufränkisch,
Zweigelt,
Pinot noir,
St.Laurent
and a lot of cuvees,
usually with Cabernet Sauvignon and Merlot in addition. (Cabernet Franc is rarely used, and only in small quantities),
also some pure CS and Merlot wines.

The best regions for red wine are
- Burgenland (Land of Castles) a) Südburgenland b) Mittelburgenland c) Neusiedlersee-Hügelland (Rosalia, Leithaberg) d) Neusiedlersee
(the latter famous for sweet wines)

- Niederösterreich (Lower Austria), best terroir for Riesling and Grüner Veltliner, but good regions for reds are a) Carnuntum b) Thermenregion c) Weinviertel

- Vienna (some very good reds)

- Steiermark (Styria): great white wines from Sauvignon blanc, Morillon/Chardonnay and others, but some fine reds are produced in the eastern part (Vulkanland)

For each region a lot of fine producers can be named .... some have been mentioned above, but not nearly most of the best ...
Moreover I have absolutely no idea which ones are available in the US ...
Thanks, Gerhard. I was hoping you'd chime in here and share your vast knowledge.
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#15 Post by Eric Z. » November 4th, 2019, 10:52 am

Newbie here to the forum, though not to drinking wine. I would also recommend looking for some Moric wine as stated above. Roland is a great guy and really cares about making the grapes express the region/terroir. He has not applied for any labels but his process is bio-organic friendly. His 2016 Blaufrankisch could be had for about $30 USD and is a great wine in my opinion. He also has a "HouseMarke Rot" label that is a blend of Blaufrankisch, Pinot Noir and Zweigelt. He also has reserves and then his Alte Reben label which come from older vines in Lutzmannsburg or Neckenmarkt.

I was recently in Austria and did a tasting of 7 his wines (had tried 1-2 stateside before I left) and I was very impressed with the quality and breadth of his offerings. He also has some very nice white varietals too but that is out of scope for your post.

I am sure there are other good producers in the area and I enjoyed reading this thread to get some new names/ideas for my next trip to the local wine shop!
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#16 Post by joz€f p1nxten » November 4th, 2019, 11:13 am

Gerhard P. wrote:
November 4th, 2019, 2:43 am
Reason is simply lack of time. Throwing in only a few accidental names is a bit unfair ... but some have been named already above my post.
I´ll see if I can do anything this week.
Thanks Gerhard, in case you have any leads for a nice winery to visit close to Innsbruck, that would be appreciated. Will be staying for a week close to there in June of next year. And a winery visit is on the list.
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#17 Post by Peter Petersen » November 4th, 2019, 11:36 am

I've enjoyed wines from Umathum and Moric.

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#18 Post by Jim Brennan » November 4th, 2019, 9:16 pm

Thanks for the suggestions so far!

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#19 Post by Gerhard P. » November 5th, 2019, 1:49 am

joz€f p1nxten wrote:
November 4th, 2019, 11:13 am
Gerhard P. wrote:
November 4th, 2019, 2:43 am
Reason is simply lack of time. Throwing in only a few accidental names is a bit unfair ... but some have been named already above my post.
I´ll see if I can do anything this week.
Thanks Gerhard, in case you have any leads for a nice winery to visit close to Innsbruck, that would be appreciated. Will be staying for a week close to there in June of next year. And a winery visit is on the list.
Jozef,

Innsbruck/Tyrol is absoltely no wine-growing region ... there are high montains, much too cold for grapes.
So there are no producers to visit there.

There is a very well known importer/retailer in Innsbruck: Gottardi
https://www.gottardi.at
... you might have a look at, but I never visited there, only his dependance in Vienna which is (I think) closed now.

Another one:
https://invinum.com
(a friend told me it´s nice ...)
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#20 Post by joz€f p1nxten » November 5th, 2019, 2:10 am

Gerhard P. wrote:
November 5th, 2019, 1:49 am

Jozef,

Innsbruck/Tyrol is absoltely no wine-growing region ... there are high montains, much too cold for grapes.
So there are no producers to visit there.

There is a very well known importer/retailer in Innsbruck: Gottardi
https://www.gottardi.at
... you might have a look at, but I never visited there, only his dependance in Vienna which is (I think) closed now.

Another one:
https://invinum.com
(a friend told me it´s nice ...)
Thanks Gerhard, I was afraid of that - we are indeed going for the mountains. But will check these out!
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#21 Post by IlkkaL » November 5th, 2019, 2:17 am

Gerhard P. wrote:
November 5th, 2019, 1:49 am
joz€f p1nxten wrote:
November 4th, 2019, 11:13 am
Gerhard P. wrote:
November 4th, 2019, 2:43 am
Reason is simply lack of time. Throwing in only a few accidental names is a bit unfair ... but some have been named already above my post.
I´ll see if I can do anything this week.
Thanks Gerhard, in case you have any leads for a nice winery to visit close to Innsbruck, that would be appreciated. Will be staying for a week close to there in June of next year. And a winery visit is on the list.
Jozef,

Innsbruck/Tyrol is absoltely no wine-growing region ... there are high montains, much too cold for grapes.
So there are no producers to visit there.

There is a very well known importer/retailer in Innsbruck: Gottardi
https://www.gottardi.at
... you might have a look at, but I never visited there, only his dependance in Vienna which is (I think) closed now.

Another one:
https://invinum.com
(a friend told me it´s nice ...)
I have visited Gottardi in Innsbruck once. They had a fairly nice selection including producers such as Prager, Heinrich and Johanneshof Reinisch. However I think I enjoyed even more the Wein & Co - located most romantically in a shopping mall - which had a lot of nice stuff from the likes of Nigl, Alzinger, Bründlmayer, Preisinger, Huet etc.
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#22 Post by Gerhard P. » November 6th, 2019, 5:36 am

IlkkaL wrote:
November 5th, 2019, 2:17 am


I have visited Gottardi in Innsbruck once. They had a fairly nice selection including producers such as Prager, Heinrich and Johanneshof Reinisch. However I think I enjoyed even more the Wein & Co - located most romantically in a shopping mall - which had a lot of nice stuff from the likes of Nigl, Alzinger, Bründlmayer, Preisinger, Huet etc.
Wein&Co is kind of a wine supermarket with a dozen+ locations in the larger cities ... good and not too expensive.

However I would also recommend to have a look at
https://www.weinshop24.at/index.php?spr=en

The have an excellent selection of Austrian wines, and with mail order they can send it to every spot in Austria (and I guess Europe) ...
even at a special date when you are on holidays in Innsbruck ...
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#23 Post by IlkkaL » November 6th, 2019, 6:34 am

Gerhard P. wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 5:36 am
IlkkaL wrote:
November 5th, 2019, 2:17 am


I have visited Gottardi in Innsbruck once. They had a fairly nice selection including producers such as Prager, Heinrich and Johanneshof Reinisch. However I think I enjoyed even more the Wein & Co - located most romantically in a shopping mall - which had a lot of nice stuff from the likes of Nigl, Alzinger, Bründlmayer, Preisinger, Huet etc.
Wein&Co is kind of a wine supermarket with a dozen+ locations in the larger cities ... good and not too expensive.
Certainly you guys have it better than the French with their chain of Nicolas shops!
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#24 Post by Emily Schindler Weissman » November 8th, 2019, 5:45 pm

I am completely, totally, utterly 100% biased, and in the business of importing and selling Austrian wines, but if I may make a few suggestions of some red wine producers to consider (some of which have already been named, and not all are imported by my company):
Moric (Roland Velich) - we have some videos of him talking about his wines on our website if you're interested.
Schuster (the label is Rosi Schuster, the winemaker is now Hannes, the son of Rosi)
Jagini - which is a project between Roland Velich and Hannes Schuster
Umathum
Wenzel
Preisinger
Lichtenberger-Gonzalez
Kolfok - winemaker is Stefan Wellanschitz, and he's getting a lot of press and prizes these days as an exciting newcomer.
Wachter-Wiesler
Feiler-Artinger
Zantho, which is overseen by Josef Umathum and Martin Peck, produce some great value reds.
Schiefer

There are many other talented producers, but I am naming here those that I am most familiar with as far as knowing many vintages back to back.

Another good shop in Austria is Wagners (www.wagners-weinshop.com)

Cheers all!

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#25 Post by brigcampbell » November 8th, 2019, 8:33 pm

Love Austria, most beautiful country in the world. Amazing place.

The reds... Easy pass for me.

Whites another story. Sucker for a good GV. The beer scene was good too.

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