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#1 Post by GregT » October 30th, 2019, 1:54 pm

Don't know if anyone saw the article by Pete Wells slamming the place, but I was PO'd when they wouldn't let me bring some wine for a special occasion and they made us buy wine from them and use their Libby industrial glassware. Not that I'm that geeky about glasses, but even Olive Garden has better glasses. Or had - I haven't been there for a while.

And it's not that hard to have a good wine list if you're a steak house.

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#2 Post by Henry Kiichli » October 30th, 2019, 1:57 pm

Victor beat you to it

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#3 Post by John Morris » October 30th, 2019, 2:21 pm

GregT wrote:
October 30th, 2019, 1:54 pm
Don't know if anyone saw the article by Pete Wells slamming the place, but I was PO'd when they wouldn't let me bring some wine for a special occasion and they made us buy wine from them and use their Libby industrial glassware. Not that I'm that geeky about glasses, but even Olive Garden has better glasses. Or had - I haven't been there for a while.

And it's not that hard to have a good wine list if you're a steak house.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/10/ ... s-bad.html
I haven’t been to PL for a long time but, from what i recall, Olive Garden’s wine list might be better, too.
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#4 Post by John Davis » October 30th, 2019, 3:46 pm

When we were there they had some Ridge on what they call a list. So I guess we got lucky but their list does indeed suck.
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#5 Post by Neal.Mollen » October 30th, 2019, 3:50 pm

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When we were there they had some Ridge on what they call a list. So I guess we got lucky but their list does indeed suck.
Even back in the day, pretty much everything sucked except the beef and the potatoes
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#6 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » October 30th, 2019, 5:24 pm

They have Bedrock and a few other decent wines on the list. Certainly not extensive. It’d be better if you could BYO.

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#7 Post by Jay Miller » October 30th, 2019, 7:46 pm

Neal.Mollen wrote:
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John Davis wrote:
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When we were there they had some Ridge on what they call a list. So I guess we got lucky but their list does indeed suck.
Even back in the day, pretty much everything sucked except the beef and the potatoes
The bacon!
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#8 Post by Rick Smith » October 30th, 2019, 8:17 pm

Jay Miller wrote:
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Neal.Mollen wrote:
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John Davis wrote:
October 30th, 2019, 3:46 pm
When we were there they had some Ridge on what they call a list. So I guess we got lucky but their list does indeed suck.
Even back in the day, pretty much everything sucked except the beef and the potatoes
The bacon!
This. And schlag with dessert.

I always just buy a Ridge and call it a day. Just don’t let the servers rush you, or you are out in 75 minutes. We manage the time.

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#9 Post by Arv R » October 30th, 2019, 9:29 pm

Although its been a long time since I've been there, I thought it was a basically a fraud the two times I tried it.

I doubt the negative review will hurt them one bit -- it's like the Mr. Chow of steakhouses.
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#10 Post by Jay Miller » October 31st, 2019, 4:37 am

The real question is whether the quality of the meat has declined as that was the main reason to go. I haven’t been in well over a decade (too much of a schlep) so I have no idea on whether I would agree with that assessment.
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#11 Post by Victor Hong » October 31st, 2019, 5:03 am

That restaurant has long relied on Wall Street clientele.
On my last visit, Wall Street firms were still on Wall Street, and a veritable all-male sea of blue suits, white shirts, and yellow "power" ties.
Since then, Wall Street firms have evolved adaptively or disappeared forcibly, but Peter Luger's has neither. Let us see if Pete Wells leads to either.
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#12 Post by davidlown » October 31st, 2019, 5:18 am

I would imagine the quality of the meat has gone down even though probably not lugers fault. Prime steak is now a hot commodity across the entire USA so the days of them getting the pick of the litter probably is much harder.

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#13 Post by Victor Hong » October 31st, 2019, 5:27 am

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I would imagine the quality of the meat has gone down even though probably not lugers fault. Prime steak is now a hot commodity across the entire USA so the days of them getting the pick of the litter probably is much harder.
That might help explain the adverse diner and critic reviews. A good restaurant would compete accordingly to maintain quality, if charging high prices.
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#14 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » October 31st, 2019, 5:44 am

I don’t think it has dropped at all, at least in the ~20 or so years I’ve been going there. One of the reasons I like it is because of the lack of change. It’d certainly be a different restaurant if they took credit cards and had a more diverse menu and wine list, with likely a different clientele; imo it’d likely be a negative. BYO would be nice, though.

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#15 Post by Mark Golodetz » October 31st, 2019, 8:39 am

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I don’t think it has dropped at all, at least in the ~20 or so years I’ve been going there. One of the reasons I like it is because of the lack of change. It’d certainly be a different restaurant if they took credit cards and had a more diverse menu and wine list, with likely a different clientele; imo it’d likely be a negative. BYO would be nice, though.
I think it has changed a little. The last time I was there, the steak was solid rather than spectacular, and given the high expectations from our previous visits, it was a tad disappointing. The bacon was better than usual.

I think I will probably give it another chance, as my son loves the place, but given the above and the hassle of getting there from Westchester, it had better be back to where it was.
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#16 Post by Greg K » October 31st, 2019, 10:14 am

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I don’t think it has dropped at all, at least in the ~20 or so years I’ve been going there. One of the reasons I like it is because of the lack of change. It’d certainly be a different restaurant if they took credit cards and had a more diverse menu and wine list, with likely a different clientele; imo it’d likely be a negative.
No, it would be an improvement. I always cringe at requests to go to Luger because it's a pain to get to and it's more of an "experience" for out of towners than an actual dining destination. In a city where steakhouses abound (and where omakase has for many years replaced them as a premier meal anyway), it's mostly a sideshow. You can get better steak with far less hassle in almost every other part of Manhattan, with better wine, desserts and other food for people who may not be interested in steak. The only times to go anymore are when junior people at work want to go because "they've never been". The request is almost never repeated after they go.
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#17 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » October 31st, 2019, 10:37 am

Interesting; I’d be far less interested in going if it were more homogeneous with other NY steak houses.

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#18 Post by Mark Golodetz » October 31st, 2019, 11:17 am

Yes, but it gets back to whether Luger is now a charming anachronism rather than a great restaurant. I think Wells got it right, the formula is fading a little.


I like restaurants with chefs doing interesting things which I can’t do at home. Do I need to spend a fortune and a lot of time for essentially a hunk of good meat and little else (apart from the bacon) to recommend it.
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#19 Post by Yao C » October 31st, 2019, 12:17 pm

Greg K wrote:
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No, it would be an improvement. I always cringe at requests to go to Luger because it's a pain to get to and it's more of an "experience" for out of towners than an actual dining destination. In a city where steakhouses abound (and where omakase has for many years replaced them as a premier meal anyway), it's mostly a sideshow. You can get better steak with far less hassle in almost every other part of Manhattan, with better wine, desserts and other food for people who may not be interested in steak. The only times to go anymore are when junior people at work want to go because "they've never been". The request is almost never repeated after they go.
Haha this is me 10 years ago as an impressionable new analyst in New York. Even then I thought it was a marginal value, though it was entertaining enough. I certainly have no intention of returning
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#20 Post by Greg K » October 31st, 2019, 12:32 pm

Yao C wrote:
October 31st, 2019, 12:17 pm
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No, it would be an improvement. I always cringe at requests to go to Luger because it's a pain to get to and it's more of an "experience" for out of towners than an actual dining destination. In a city where steakhouses abound (and where omakase has for many years replaced them as a premier meal anyway), it's mostly a sideshow. You can get better steak with far less hassle in almost every other part of Manhattan, with better wine, desserts and other food for people who may not be interested in steak. The only times to go anymore are when junior people at work want to go because "they've never been". The request is almost never repeated after they go.
Haha this is me 10 years ago as an impressionable new analyst in New York. Even then I thought it was a marginal value, though it was entertaining enough. I certainly have no intention of returning
Exactly! Our summer associates want to go, and no one is overly excited to take them given the massive schlep to Brooklyn. It's just a thing to cross off the list.
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#21 Post by John W Osgood » October 31st, 2019, 1:06 pm

I always thought dinner was terrible. The staff was consistently rude and the food could be uneven.

Lunch was always far, far better. More relaxed, no rush from the staff and they were actually friendly.

I've had some great meat there and the bacon always delivers.

Not surprised by the bad review in the NYT whatsoever.
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#22 Post by MBerto » October 31st, 2019, 1:09 pm

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#23 Post by Victor Hong » October 31st, 2019, 1:11 pm

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#24 Post by Gabe Berk » October 31st, 2019, 1:38 pm

Luger's is a place to take out of towner's akin to going to Katz Deli. It's a destination rather than an gastronomic life changer. Not being able to bring your own wine its banana's though. Charge $50 corkage at least to allow people to bring in special stuff...

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#25 Post by GregT » October 31st, 2019, 3:53 pm

That's what I was trying to tell them when we went for my wife's birthday. The servers were pretty good to us that time and even cooked her part of the porterhouse a little more without fussing over it. So I can't complain about that dinner. But seriously, they're not the best steak I've eaten and that's what they should have been. A steakhouse isn't that hard to figure out - buy good meat and don't damage it. But when you have the competition that Luger's has now, you kind of need to change now and then, even if it's only incrementally. Like taking credit cards? Or allowing BYO?

OTOH, seems like they're still doing pretty well, so what do they need our opinions for? NYC has a lot of places like that - places where the tourists want to go and get the NYC experience. Or what they think is the NYC experience.
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#26 Post by Jason T » October 31st, 2019, 5:13 pm

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Not being able to bring your own wine its banana's though. Charge $50 corkage at least to allow people to bring in special stuff...
They’re broadcasting how much they value you, the customer.

How many other businesses are there where you could refuse to innovate, provide substandard customer service, overcharge, while offering an inferior product?

(And still have people shill for you - which is frankly weird).

None that are legal. This place, and its ilk, are a dinosaur. And it’s time to go.
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#27 Post by Paul McCourt » October 31st, 2019, 7:06 pm

Last time I went everyone kind of said “why are we coming here?” Nobody could really stick up for the place. Been back once or twice for lunch meetings but not dinner.
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#28 Post by Faryan Amir-Ghassem¡ » October 31st, 2019, 8:03 pm

If you’re in the hood and hankering for cholesterol, I’d take st anslem over Lugers any day.

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#29 Post by RyanC » October 31st, 2019, 8:18 pm

Gabe Berk wrote:
October 31st, 2019, 1:38 pm
Luger's is a place to take out of towner's akin to going to Katz Deli. It's a destination rather than an gastronomic life changer. Not being able to bring your own wine its banana's though. Charge $50 corkage at least to allow people to bring in special stuff...
Katz’s >>> Luger’s

I still love Katz’s.

Best part of Luger’s has always been the bacon.
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#30 Post by Ken Strauss » October 31st, 2019, 10:04 pm

After reading this review I would never go to Peter Lugers.
Curiosity got the best of me so I checked their website. It seems they have 2 locations and sell their prime steak mail order.
With so many great steak houses and mail order prime steak available from places like Flannery it is another example of an establishment living off the past.

This business will die soon unless they change.
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#31 Post by John Morris » November 1st, 2019, 4:21 am

RyanC wrote:
October 31st, 2019, 8:18 pm
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October 31st, 2019, 1:38 pm
Luger's is a place to take out of towner's akin to going to Katz Deli. It's a destination rather than an gastronomic life changer. Not being able to bring your own wine its banana's though. Charge $50 corkage at least to allow people to bring in special stuff...
Katz’s >>> Luger’s

I still love Katz’s.

Best part of Luger’s has always been the bacon.
You don't feel ripped off at Katz's, even if the pastrami isn't first class. It's still real -- glaring fluorescent lights and all. My only complaint the last time I was there, a year or so ago, was that it was mostly tourists at lunch time. I hadn't been in years and feared it might be dying with all the gentrification on the Lower East Side, but it's definitely holding its own.
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#32 Post by Neal.Mollen » November 1st, 2019, 4:50 am

John Morris wrote:
November 1st, 2019, 4:21 am
RyanC wrote:
October 31st, 2019, 8:18 pm
Gabe Berk wrote:
October 31st, 2019, 1:38 pm
Luger's is a place to take out of towner's akin to going to Katz Deli. It's a destination rather than an gastronomic life changer. Not being able to bring your own wine its banana's though. Charge $50 corkage at least to allow people to bring in special stuff...
Katz’s >>> Luger’s

I still love Katz’s.

Best part of Luger’s has always been the bacon.
You don't feel ripped off at Katz's, even if the pastrami isn't first class. It's still real -- glaring fluorescent lights and all. My only complaint the last time I was there, a year or so ago, was that it was mostly tourists at lunch time. I hadn't been in years and feared it might be dying with all the gentrification on the Lower East Side, but it's definitely holding its own.
If that pastrami isn't first class, then first class pastrami no longer exists. The claimed parallel between Katz' and Luger's doesn't work for me at all.
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#33 Post by Mark Golodetz » November 1st, 2019, 6:10 am

I agree Katz and Peter Luger are entirely different, although they share the distinction of being from another era.

I loathed my meal at Katz. Pastrami was adequate, the Matzo balls could have been used by David to kill Goliath. Touristy, borderline rude certainly indifferent service. Only the pickles pleased.
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#34 Post by Steven King » November 1st, 2019, 6:36 am

Wow, talk about timing. I have res Nov 8. We are in Brooklyn for a beer trip, doing Anslem for lunch. So where does one Steak in Brooklyn then? Destefanos? Help so I can correct a glaring mistake

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#35 Post by Ben M a n d l e r » November 1st, 2019, 6:43 am

I don't think there's anything wrong with Peter Luger, I think what's off is people's expectations. It's not a fine dining establishment - never has been. It's not a destination restaurant. It's just where you go in Brooklyn if you want an excellent slab of cow washed down with a bottle of Geyserville. Admittedly I haven't been in 6 or 7 years but I can't imagine much has changed on their end.

I think Katz's is - and should be - much more of a tourist destination, especially given its location, history, atmosphere, and more family-friendly pricing and menu.
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#36 Post by Steven Dilley » November 1st, 2019, 6:49 am

Ken Strauss wrote:
October 31st, 2019, 10:04 pm
After reading this review I would never go to Peter Lugers.
Curiosity got the best of me so I checked their website. It seems they have 2 locations and sell their prime steak mail order.
With so many great steak houses and mail order prime steak available from places like Flannery it is another example of an establishment living off the past.

This business will die soon unless they change.
While I agree with most of Wells' review, it won't impact Luger's business. They'll be fine.
Ben M a n d l e r wrote:
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I don't think there's anything wrong with Peter Luger, I think what's off is people's expectations. It's not a fine dining establishment - never has been.
This. I'll occasionally pop in for a burger or a steak for lunch if I'm in the area around opening time and don't feel like going to Diner, etc.

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#37 Post by RyanC » November 1st, 2019, 6:51 am

Steven King wrote:
November 1st, 2019, 6:36 am
Wow, talk about timing. I have res Nov 8. We are in Brooklyn for a beer trip, doing Anslem for lunch. So where does one Steak in Brooklyn then? Destefanos? Help so I can correct a glaring mistake
I'd go. It's still very tasty, quite unique, and obviously famous. It's just not "America's best steakhouse" or anything close to it.
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#38 Post by Steven King » November 1st, 2019, 6:52 am

RyanC wrote:
November 1st, 2019, 6:51 am
Steven King wrote:
November 1st, 2019, 6:36 am
Wow, talk about timing. I have res Nov 8. We are in Brooklyn for a beer trip, doing Anslem for lunch. So where does one Steak in Brooklyn then? Destefanos? Help so I can correct a glaring mistake
I'd go. It's still very tasty, quite unique, and obviously famous. It's just not "America's best steakhouse" or anything close to it.
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#39 Post by Victor Hong » November 1st, 2019, 7:05 am

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I agree Katz and Peter Luger are entirely different, although they share the distinction of being from another era.

I loathed my meal at Katz. Pastrami was adequate, the Matzo balls could have been used by David to kill Goliath. Touristy, borderline rude certainly indifferent service. Only the pickles pleased.
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#40 Post by Matthew King » November 1st, 2019, 7:44 am

Neal.Mollen wrote:
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Katz’s >>> Luger’s

I still love Katz’s.

Best part of Luger’s has always been the bacon.
You don't feel ripped off at Katz's, even if the pastrami isn't first class. It's still real -- glaring fluorescent lights and all. My only complaint the last time I was there, a year or so ago, was that it was mostly tourists at lunch time. I hadn't been in years and feared it might be dying with all the gentrification on the Lower East Side, but it's definitely holding its own.
If that pastrami isn't first class, then first class pastrami no longer exists. The claimed parallel between Katz' and Luger's doesn't work for me at all.
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#41 Post by Greg K » November 1st, 2019, 8:21 am

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#42 Post by Faryan Amir-Ghassem¡ » November 1st, 2019, 8:52 am

Steven Dilley wrote:
November 1st, 2019, 6:49 am
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After reading this review I would never go to Peter Lugers.
Curiosity got the best of me so I checked their website. It seems they have 2 locations and sell their prime steak mail order.
With so many great steak houses and mail order prime steak available from places like Flannery it is another example of an establishment living off the past.

This business will die soon unless they change.
While I agree with most of Wells' review, it won't impact Luger's business. They'll be fine.
I dunno, I think this could be the straw that break's the camel's back. To me, Luger's has been for a while a classic example of 'preference falsification', where various New Yorkers who didn't think much of it felt compelled to be at the margin laudatory because of its prestige and history. That's important for the 'out of town' crowd to feel comfortable about a visit. Now that the emperor has no clothes, I wonder how hesitant the marginal diner at Luger's will be to return or even recommend it. We'll see...

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#43 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » November 1st, 2019, 10:05 am

It’d be nice if it were easier to get in. I made reservations right after they became available for my dates and there wasn’t anything between 6-745 on a Tuesday.

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#44 Post by Neal.Mollen » November 1st, 2019, 10:17 am

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
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It’d be nice if it were easier to get in. I made reservations right after they became available for my dates and there wasn’t anything between 6-745 on a Tuesday.
You might be able to get in now!
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#45 Post by GregT » November 1st, 2019, 10:23 am

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But 6-7:45 is pretty early for dinner though isn't it? Who eats at six o'clock?

As far as Katz vs Luger - I wouldn't make the comparison either. Mostly because I can't stand pastrami and have no idea why someone would eat it in the first place, much less go out of their way to do so. I guess people had to eat it when they could only get some crappy tough piece of meat and they wanted to turn it into something slimy and fatty, but in Texas they took brisket and learned how to make a righteous meal out of it!
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#46 Post by Ian Dorin » November 1st, 2019, 11:58 am

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The real question is whether the quality of the meat has declined as that was the main reason to go. I haven’t been in well over a decade (too much of a schlep) so I have no idea on whether I would agree with that assessment.
I was last there 12 years ago, and my steak was grey and tough then. The tomato salad was soggy and needed salt. It was a sad meal with mediocre wine is good awful glasses. It was like $2000 for 7 people too.
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#47 Post by Gabe Berk » November 1st, 2019, 12:47 pm

Neal.Mollen wrote:
November 1st, 2019, 4:50 am
John Morris wrote:
November 1st, 2019, 4:21 am
RyanC wrote:
October 31st, 2019, 8:18 pm


Katz’s >>> Luger’s

I still love Katz’s.

Best part of Luger’s has always been the bacon.
You don't feel ripped off at Katz's, even if the pastrami isn't first class. It's still real -- glaring fluorescent lights and all. My only complaint the last time I was there, a year or so ago, was that it was mostly tourists at lunch time. I hadn't been in years and feared it might be dying with all the gentrification on the Lower East Side, but it's definitely holding its own.
If that pastrami isn't first class, then first class pastrami no longer exists. The claimed parallel between Katz' and Luger's doesn't work for me at all.
$30 for a deli sandwich and Dr. Browns soda screams tourist trapping, which for the most part it is. Good pastrami at Katz, good steak at Lugers. Both of which are places as a local I wouldn't take a half hour to go to. Taking an out of towner showing them a historic eatery? Yes.

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#48 Post by Neal.Mollen » November 1st, 2019, 12:52 pm

Gabe Berk wrote:
November 1st, 2019, 12:47 pm
Neal.Mollen wrote:
November 1st, 2019, 4:50 am
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You don't feel ripped off at Katz's, even if the pastrami isn't first class. It's still real -- glaring fluorescent lights and all. My only complaint the last time I was there, a year or so ago, was that it was mostly tourists at lunch time. I hadn't been in years and feared it might be dying with all the gentrification on the Lower East Side, but it's definitely holding its own.
If that pastrami isn't first class, then first class pastrami no longer exists. The claimed parallel between Katz' and Luger's doesn't work for me at all.
$30 for a deli sandwich and Dr. Browns soda screams tourist trapping, which for the most part it is. Good pastrami at Katz, good steak at Lugers. Both of which are places as a local I wouldn't take a half hour to go to. Taking an out of towner showing them a historic eatery? Yes.
To each his own. I think this is 87% wrong. Price is high no doubt. I'd appreciate your opinion on better pastrami in NYC.
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#49 Post by RyanC » November 1st, 2019, 1:32 pm

I’m with Neal on this. The anti-Katz sentiment is astonishing to me. Is it expensive compared to other sandwiches? Obscenely. But $20 for a massive and delicious and satisfying and famous sandwich is something most of us on this board can do without issue. And who does pastrami better? There must be someone but it also must be a small group. (I do agree that all non-pastrami food at Katz’s should be avoided.)

Luger’s is totally different (and I’m sort of a Luger’s defender): I can off the top of my head name 20 (maybe more) steaks I prefer.
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#50 Post by Neal.Mollen » November 1st, 2019, 1:34 pm

RyanC wrote:
November 1st, 2019, 1:32 pm
I’m with Neal on this. The anti-Katz sentiment is astonishing to me. Is it expensive compared to other sandwiches? Obscenely. But $20 for a massive and delicious and satisfying and famous sandwich is something most of us on this board can do without issue. And who does pastrami better? There must be someone but it also must be a small group. (I do agree that all non-pastrami food at Katz’s should be avoided.)

Luger’s is totally different (and I’m sort of a Luger’s defender): I can off the top of my head name 20 (maybe more) steaks I prefer.
I'm just excited I am about to learn of all the places that have better pastrami than Katz! Cuz apparently Katz' only rates a "good." So definitely excited to learn.
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