First 2012 cristal offering i've seen

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First 2012 cristal offering i've seen

#1 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » October 28th, 2019, 10:06 am

$229; anyone try this yet?

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#2 Post by R@y.Tupp@+sch » October 28th, 2019, 10:12 am

Haven't had it, but offers out of London are sub $200.
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#3 Post by YLee » October 28th, 2019, 10:18 am

Didnt try but a pass for me at that price. I will get the 08 or 09 and if i really want the 12, buy it in UK or HK.
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#4 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » October 28th, 2019, 10:25 am

I grabbed a couple but will look for lower prices for subsequent purchases.

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#5 Post by Frank Murray III » October 28th, 2019, 10:54 am

I saw the offer, too.

I bought my 2008s at Costco, and at $250 a pop when tax is folded in, I'm not rushing now to blow up my budget on doing these 2012s pre-arrival. I'm going to wait for Costco to offer them down the road.
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2017 Carlisle Zin Mancini Ranch RRV

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2017 Kutch Falstaff Sonoma Coast PN
2012 Marguet La Grande Ruelle Ambonnay

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#6 Post by William Kelley » October 28th, 2019, 11:05 am

It's really good! Very worthy successor to the 2008.
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#7 Post by Mike Maguire » October 28th, 2019, 11:06 am

Frank Murray III wrote:
October 28th, 2019, 10:54 am
I saw the offer, too.

I bought my 2008s at Costco, and at $250 a pop when tax is folded in, I'm not rushing now to blow up my budget on doing these 2012s pre-arrival. I'm going to wait for Costco to offer them down the road.
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#8 Post by C Chen » October 29th, 2019, 2:39 pm

Envoyer has never offered the best pricing for big house Champagne, so why purchase knowing there will be better prices from other places? And it’s pre-arrival, too, not like you’ll get them any sooner.

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#9 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » October 29th, 2019, 4:16 pm

That’s not necessarily true. Their price on 08 veuve is the best I’ve seen.

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#10 Post by julianseersmartin » October 29th, 2019, 6:10 pm

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
October 29th, 2019, 4:16 pm
That’s not necessarily true. Their price on 08 veuve is the best I’ve seen.
Also a fantastic wine.

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#11 Post by Yao C » October 29th, 2019, 6:24 pm

C Chen wrote:
October 29th, 2019, 2:39 pm
Envoyer has never offered the best pricing for big house Champagne, so why purchase knowing there will be better prices from other places? And it’s pre-arrival, too, not like you’ll get them any sooner.

Shrug.
Certainly don’t disagree that their pricing is sometimes not the best. But sometimes it’s pretty good. As the above example shows, along with 06 and 07 Taittinger CdC
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#12 Post by William Segui » October 29th, 2019, 7:04 pm

William Kelley wrote:
October 28th, 2019, 11:05 am
It's really good! Very worthy successor to the 2008.
If you were able to pick up 07 or 12 for the same price, which would you choose?

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#13 Post by Brad Baker » October 29th, 2019, 8:25 pm

2012 Cristal is damn good. Better than the 2008 right now and a kind of cross between 2008 and 2009 as it has great structure and length, but also is very approachable and fruity. 2008 has a slight bit more potential, but the 2012 is very, very, very good.
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#14 Post by William Kelley » October 30th, 2019, 12:37 am

William Segui wrote:
October 29th, 2019, 7:04 pm
William Kelley wrote:
October 28th, 2019, 11:05 am
It's really good! Very worthy successor to the 2008.
If you were able to pick up 07 or 12 for the same price, which would you choose?
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#15 Post by alan weinberg » October 30th, 2019, 6:30 am

where does 09 Cristal fit in this hierarchy.

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#16 Post by YLee » October 30th, 2019, 6:35 am

IMO. best to least. 08, 12, 9, 7
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#17 Post by C Chen » October 30th, 2019, 8:16 am

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
October 29th, 2019, 4:16 pm
That’s not necessarily true. Their price on 08 veuve is the best I’ve seen.
Yao C wrote:
October 29th, 2019, 6:24 pm
Certainly don’t disagree that their pricing is sometimes not the best. But sometimes it’s pretty good. As the above example shows, along with 06 and 07 Taittinger CdC
I've been offered both for less, and have even seen equal or better prices from retailers accessible to all, too. Agreed with Yao that prices can be pretty good though, especially for Comtes.
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#18 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » October 30th, 2019, 9:26 am

You’ve seen 08 veuve for less than $49?

Cheapest on WS Pro is $54 and that’s for 6 min. I think that’s a pretty solid price.

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#19 Post by C Chen » October 30th, 2019, 9:32 am

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
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You’ve seen 08 veuve for less than $49?

Cheapest on WS Pro is $54 and that’s for 6 min. I think that’s a pretty solid price.
Should have clarified. The equal/better price I saw was for Comtes (didn't buy 08 Veuve), private offers were less for both. Prices for big houses like Krug and Cristal and Dom have never been good from Envoyer, IMO. Can be obtained for much cheaper.
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#20 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » October 30th, 2019, 9:42 am

That’s probably true. Sometimes Vins rare has much better deals.

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#21 Post by Yong Wei C. » October 30th, 2019, 11:13 am

Which merchants in London are offering the 2012?
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#22 Post by Frank Murray III » October 30th, 2019, 3:28 pm

If the 2012 is as good as the 2009, which for me is an excellent vintage, then buying the 12 is going to be an easy decision.
My WOTY candidates for 2019:
2014 Marie Courtin Eloquence BdB Extra Brut
2017 Rivers-Marie PN Platt SC
2017 Kutch Pinot Noir SC PN
2009 Roederer Cristal Brut
2017 Carlisle Zin Mancini Ranch RRV

My best wines of 2018:
2017 Kutch Falstaff Sonoma Coast PN
2012 Marguet La Grande Ruelle Ambonnay

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#23 Post by RyanC » October 30th, 2019, 3:31 pm

Frank Murray III wrote:
October 30th, 2019, 3:28 pm
If the 2012 is as good as the 2009, which for me is an excellent vintage, then buying the 12 is going to be an easy decision.
Yeah. I'm a buyer. But I'm a buyer from supermarkets here in Texas after it's released.
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#24 Post by Scott Jameson » November 2nd, 2019, 4:03 pm

RyanC wrote:
October 30th, 2019, 3:31 pm
Yeah. I'm a buyer. But I'm a buyer from supermarkets here in Texas after it's released.
The recent pricing here has been surprising to me. The local HEB (a San Antonio based grocery chain) still has '08 Dom at $144 out the door and '08 Cristal at $210. That's for a 6 bottle purchase, otherwise I'd be dropping a bottle of Cristal into the cart every time I step into the store.

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#25 Post by RyanC » November 2nd, 2019, 4:05 pm

Scott Jameson wrote:
November 2nd, 2019, 4:03 pm
RyanC wrote:
October 30th, 2019, 3:31 pm
Yeah. I'm a buyer. But I'm a buyer from supermarkets here in Texas after it's released.
The recent pricing here has been surprising to me. The local HEB (a San Antonio based grocery chain) still has '08 Dom at $144 out the door and '08 Cristal at $210. That's for a 6 bottle purchase, otherwise I'd be dropping a bottle of Cristal into the cart every time I step into the store.
Yeah, I made an HEB run for ‘08 Dom and Cristal a week or so ago.
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#26 Post by Frank Murray III » November 3rd, 2019, 4:15 pm

Drank another 2009 last night. ####! What a killer bottle of Champagne.
My WOTY candidates for 2019:
2014 Marie Courtin Eloquence BdB Extra Brut
2017 Rivers-Marie PN Platt SC
2017 Kutch Pinot Noir SC PN
2009 Roederer Cristal Brut
2017 Carlisle Zin Mancini Ranch RRV

My best wines of 2018:
2017 Kutch Falstaff Sonoma Coast PN
2012 Marguet La Grande Ruelle Ambonnay

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#27 Post by p. raghib » November 3rd, 2019, 4:21 pm

R@y.Tupp@+sch wrote:
October 28th, 2019, 10:12 am
Haven't had it, but offers out of London are sub $200.
But is the sub $200 landed to US? Trying to bake in the tariff...may make the $229 more attractive in context.

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#28 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » November 3rd, 2019, 4:29 pm

No tarrifs on champagne

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