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#1 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » October 27th, 2019, 10:40 am

Popped open a bottle of 2012 Ridge Lytton Springs last night. My note on my last bottle in April sung its praises. Bottle last night was grapey and not enjoyable. Not any apparent flaws, but I didn’t like it. I checked my recent zin notes over the past few months and found similar experiences. An overt “grapeiness” which I just didn’t like. I think I’m growing tired of zins and don’t like the flavor profile anymore. Wondering if I just need a break or if this is just my tastes changing. Anyone else go through this with the same varietal? Hope it’s temporary as zin has always been my “go to” for reasonably priced reds which drink well.

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#2 Post by Ron Slye » October 27th, 2019, 10:53 am

I am not a big Zin fan. But I do find if I drink the same type of wine repeatedly I get bored with it and find it less interesting or even one dimensional. If I switch to something else for a while. Then when I come back I find the earlier wine more interesting and engaging again. All underscores the importance of having a diverse cellar.

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#3 Post by Peter Petersen » October 27th, 2019, 10:54 am

I was just going to post a similar observation about Zin. I'm not sure we are getting away from them for the same reason. But I have noted that over the last year all of my fav Zins are just not offering me the same pleasure as they used to ('14 Carlisle Montafi being an excellent example from last week). Aromas less interesting and the palates are not as lively and smoothly balanced as I recall.
The only ones I have really enjoyed over the last year have actually been from Linne Calodo, yeah I know, not a board favorite.

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#4 Post by Victor Hong » October 27th, 2019, 10:56 am

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October 27th, 2019, 10:40 am
Popped open a bottle of 2012 Ridge Lytton Springs last night. My note on my last bottle in April sung its praises. Bottle last night was grapey and not enjoyable. Not any apparent flaws, but I didn’t like it. I checked my recent zin notes over the past few months and found similar experiences. An overt “grapeiness” which I just didn’t like. I think I’m growing tired of zins and don’t like the flavor profile anymore. Wondering if I just need a break or if this is just my tastes changing. Anyone else go through this with the same varietal? Hope it’s temporary as zin has always been my “go to” for reasonably priced reds which drink well.
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#5 Post by Michael Martin » October 27th, 2019, 10:57 am

For me it depends on the bottle. Some of my favorite producers had some so so years. Then I open another bottle and wow. I plan to stay the course.

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#6 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » October 27th, 2019, 10:59 am

Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote:
October 27th, 2019, 10:40 am
Popped open a bottle of 2012 Ridge Lytton Springs last night. My note on my last bottle in April sung its praises. Bottle last night was grapey and not enjoyable. Not any apparent flaws, but I didn’t like it. I checked my recent zin notes over the past few months and found similar experiences. An overt “grapeiness” which I just didn’t like. I think I’m growing tired of zins and don’t like the flavor profile anymore. Wondering if I just need a break or if this is just my tastes changing. Anyone else go through this with the same varietal? Hope it’s temporary as zin has always been my “go to” for reasonably priced reds which drink well.
Scotty, try a few more, don’t base it off the Lytton. I actually think Lytton took a turn to more ripeness and more oak, especially in that 2009-12 period. I totally stopped buying Lytton, only buy Geyserville now. Bedrock scratches my Zin itch these days.

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#7 Post by Brian Tuite » October 27th, 2019, 11:36 am

Palate shift. Shift happens!
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#8 Post by Scott G r u n e r » October 27th, 2019, 11:58 am

Lots of other factors may be involved eapecially food pairing or other palate impacting factors or fatigue. One data sample is hard to make a conclusion on. Speaking from someone who agrees that zin is one dimensional and grapy. ;)
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#9 Post by Gordon Fitz » October 27th, 2019, 12:05 pm

For us there is one direct relationship we have noticed. As a producer increases the amount of petite Syrah in their Zinfandel the less we like the zin. This is particularly the case when that ps is super ripe.

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#10 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » October 27th, 2019, 12:06 pm

Just take a break. I went through an “I don’t like zin anymore” phase several years ago, and then came back to it.

Heck, earlier this year I went through a phase where no Pinot Noir based wine did anything for me.

It happens.

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#11 Post by Neal.Mollen » October 27th, 2019, 12:20 pm

Not a huge fan and never really have been. To be frank, I have very little experience with aged zins so I bought some 20+ year old stuff to try but it hasn't arrived. I'll give it a chance.
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#12 Post by Jason T » October 27th, 2019, 3:44 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
October 27th, 2019, 10:59 am
Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote:
October 27th, 2019, 10:40 am
Popped open a bottle of 2012 Ridge Lytton Springs last night. My note on my last bottle in April sung its praises. Bottle last night was grapey and not enjoyable. Not any apparent flaws, but I didn’t like it. I checked my recent zin notes over the past few months and found similar experiences. An overt “grapeiness” which I just didn’t like. I think I’m growing tired of zins and don’t like the flavor profile anymore. Wondering if I just need a break or if this is just my tastes changing. Anyone else go through this with the same varietal? Hope it’s temporary as zin has always been my “go to” for reasonably priced reds which drink well.
Scotty, try a few more, don’t base it off the Lytton. I actually think Lytton took a turn to more ripeness and more oak, especially in that 2009-12 period. I totally stopped buying Lytton, only buy Geyserville now. Bedrock scratches my Zin itch these days.
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The other I would throw out there is Talty, in Dry Creek. Consistently my favorite Zin, and very much a “Zin for Bordeaux Lovers”. Though it does take a good 5-6 years for the oak to integrate, the wait is worth it. And if you drink them sooner than that I still find them to be wonderful, and the oak is definitely less prominent than on a typical Ridge.
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#13 Post by C. Keller » October 27th, 2019, 4:16 pm

Brian Tuite wrote:
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#14 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » October 27th, 2019, 4:32 pm

Thanks for the feedback. I think it's just some zin fatigues mixed in with a few less than stellar bottles. I've got a wide collection of other stuff I can drink...was just pulling these as so much of my other stuff needs more age.

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#15 Post by Mike Kuller » October 27th, 2019, 4:40 pm

I've been drinking zinfandels since I discovered a 1979 Lytton Springs (before Ridge) that I opened in 1983.

Occasionally after drinking too much zin I'll switch to a pinor noir for something different. (Cabernet flavor profile is too similar.)

But, I always go back to zins.
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#16 Post by Ed Steinway » October 27th, 2019, 4:45 pm

I still enjoy Zins. Carlisle, Ridge, Turley, and Rafanelli are our favorites. Lots of different styles in that mix, which helps.

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#17 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » October 27th, 2019, 4:45 pm

This thread prompted me to pop a 2017 Bedrock Dolinsek Ranch Heritage. Flat out delicious, I defy you not to like it. My wife, who rarely comments on red wine, is loving it. Quite aromatic, very bright and peppery red fruits.

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#18 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » October 27th, 2019, 4:47 pm

Dolinsek is amazing.
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#19 Post by S teve R edenbaugh » October 27th, 2019, 5:07 pm

I'm still enjoying zinfandel...either young and aggressive or aged and claret style. The grape I'm fearful of opening these days is Cabernet...the grape that seduced me thirty years ago. I have a real problem enjoying Napa Cab these days...the tannin, the alcohol, the "iron fist" seem to bore me and I have trouble after the first glass.

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#20 Post by Keith A k e r s » October 27th, 2019, 5:20 pm

Hi Scott,


So, what it sounds like is that your palate just got a lot better🤣

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#21 Post by Albert R » October 27th, 2019, 5:24 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
October 27th, 2019, 4:45 pm
This thread prompted me to pop a 2017 Bedrock Dolinsek Ranch Heritage. Flat out delicious, I defy you not to like it. My wife, who rarely comments on red wine, is loving it. Quite aromatic, very bright and peppery red fruits.
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#22 Post by Peter Petersen » October 27th, 2019, 6:31 pm

Gordon Fitz wrote:
October 27th, 2019, 12:05 pm
For us there is one direct relationship we have noticed. As a producer increases the amount of petite Syrah in their Zinfandel the less we like the zin. This is particularly the case when that ps is super ripe.
That is an interesting thought that I can test out soon. I’ve definitely fallen out of love with PS and Alicante Bouchet. Was hoping that small amounts wouldn’t matter in a blend.

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#23 Post by Matt Mauldin » October 27th, 2019, 7:37 pm

If you need to rediscover a love for Zin, try Storybook Mountain. Very stately and claret-like, especially the Estate Reserve or Eastern Exposures with a little bottle age.
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#24 Post by Randy Bowman » October 27th, 2019, 7:49 pm

I can't say there is a varietal that I don't like anymore. I have had favorites that all of a sudden didn't taste the same or weren't enjoyable but there are too many factors/considerations that I would diss a varietal. My favorite Aussie fruit bombs tasted really bad when I drank them in 90 percent humidity on the east coast. And the reverse, those austere, tart, acidic Italian wines tasted great in 90 percent humidity. Variance of source, winemaker, weather are contributors.

When it comes to Zin, it has the most diverse choices to go with food or without food. Fruit forward and flabby with Mexican , clean and lean with Chinese and there are a number of Zins that scream meat on the BBQ. Zin also has that horrible aberration of White Zin that goes so well with food for those living in the southeast.
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#25 Post by Mike Kuller » October 27th, 2019, 8:44 pm

Gordon Fitz wrote:
October 27th, 2019, 12:05 pm
For us there is one direct relationship we have noticed. As a producer increases the amount of petite Syrah in their Zinfandel the less we like the zin. This is particularly the case when that ps is super ripe.
Hmm..the 2017 Ridge Lytton Springs has 15% petite syrah.

The 2012 has 21%.

But the 2014, which has been one of my favorites, has 18% ps.
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#26 Post by Scott G r u n e r » October 27th, 2019, 9:24 pm

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I defy you not to like it.
Send me a bottle and I’ll give it a shot
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#27 Post by Markus S » October 28th, 2019, 4:42 am

Randy Bowman wrote:
October 27th, 2019, 7:49 pm
My favorite Aussie fruit bombs tasted really bad when I drank them in 90 percent humidity on the east coast. And the reverse, those austere, tart, acidic Italian wines tasted great in 90 percent humidity. Variance of source, winemaker, weather are contributors.
I had a recent bottle of Port that I opened on a hot summer day, 93F out, no air conditioning, with 90% humidity and it tasted great. Different strokes I guess.

I'm surprised nobody mentioned "your tastes are maturing to Burgundy". Isn't that the standard response around here? [cheers.gif]
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#28 Post by Howard Cooper » October 28th, 2019, 5:15 am

I once went to a large Zinfandel tasting in DC (a group called I think ZAP) and disliked most of the wines. I have always, however, really liked Ridge Zinfandels and in fact have enjoyed the Geyserville (my favorite) and Lytton Springs (including a 2016 a couple of weeks ago) the most. I rather like the addition of Petite Sirah and other grapes into the blend. Give the wines a complexity that I don't find with 100% Zin generally.

So, I cannot say why you specifically did not like the wine you tasted. It could be the specific bottle. It could be it is going through a bad phase in its aging or that this vintage just did not age well. It could be that for some reason you could not taste well that particular night. It could be that you do not like Petite Sirah in your zinfandel or that you do not like Zinfandel anymore (esp. since this has not been an isolated occurrence). My suggestion is to try a few of your FAVORITE Zins and see if this is something you are finding to be more broadly the case with your favorites. If you find this to be broadly the case, there always is Burgundy!!!!!
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#29 Post by Matthew King » October 28th, 2019, 8:36 am

Zin is now one of the few CA varietals that I drink regularly.

I’ve become an insufferable French wine snob so most CA versions of Pinot, Chard, Syrah and Cab are just too rich for me — speaking generally.

But I do like leaner Zins because no one else in the world makes them. Not counting Primitivo here ...

I like Rafanelli with a few years on them best ...
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#30 Post by S. Rash » October 28th, 2019, 1:10 pm

I was up in Dry Creek Valley tasting this past weekend (until I was evacuated) and wasn't enjoying the Zinfandels. Go figure, since they make up a good portion of my cellar. My palate has really been liking the tastes of Grenache and Carignane lately and that is what I ended up buying a lot of this trip.
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#31 Post by Michael Martin » October 28th, 2019, 1:25 pm

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I was up in Dry Creek Valley tasting this past weekend (until I was evacuated) and wasn't enjoying the Zinfandels. Go figure, since they make up a good portion of my cellar. My palate has really been liking the tastes of Grenache and Carignane lately and that is what I ended up buying a lot of this trip.
Went to France last fall and had a lot of Gigondas which is Grenache dominated. Its what I seek now more than anything. Its sort of like an elegant Zin or a big Pinot profile is how I look at it.

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#32 Post by Mike Grammer » October 28th, 2019, 2:01 pm

I've done ZAP once too, and it's *hard* to taste through 40 + at that event because many of them are pretty stacked on body and alcohol. That said, I'd agree with the consensus Scott, maybe just take a small sabbatical and then come back and see if your palate has truly moved away from them. I continue to enjoy Zins, but I think that's partially because I seldom have them. Current faves do include Carlisle and Limerick Lane---had been on the Ridge and Biale bandwagon, but less so these days and Bedrock has yet to truly move my needle. Rafanelli almost always.

A bit of a tanjink here, but (a little follow on Matthew's post) what are people's thoughts about Primitivo, which I've had almost none of?
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#33 Post by David Baum » October 28th, 2019, 5:58 pm

Went to ZAP event in Newport Beach about ten years. I had a headache for days and didn't drink Zin for about five years after. I drink some now but those events are drunk fests and shouLd be banned

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#34 Post by Anton D » October 28th, 2019, 6:26 pm

Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote:
October 27th, 2019, 10:40 am
Popped open a bottle of 2012 Ridge Lytton Springs last night. My note on my last bottle in April sung its praises. Bottle last night was grapey and not enjoyable. Not any apparent flaws, but I didn’t like it. I checked my recent zin notes over the past few months and found similar experiences. An overt “grapeiness” which I just didn’t like. I think I’m growing tired of zins and don’t like the flavor profile anymore. Wondering if I just need a break or if this is just my tastes changing. Anyone else go through this with the same varietal? Hope it’s temporary as zin has always been my “go to” for reasonably priced reds which drink well.
It's synchronicity that you posted this.

Last week, I was tasting with a friend and had a moment where I thought, "You know, there are only so many different ways a wine can taste."

My palate was bored that night.

I have tasted one cab since, and it was good, but subtle flaws clawed at me more so than the positive attributes. (It was a 2013 Alpha Omega Las Piedras cabernet. It's great, and my palate wasn't off, I was just having some wine ennui.)

Perhaps I did this to myself indirectly: my kid is studying for the MCAT test and I am doing it with him. He had a moment of normal 'kidness' and said it felt like there was no way he would ever see it all to get ready for the test. I told him it was OK, because he will find as he preps more that there is truly only a finite amount of information they can hit him up for....and maybe that seeped into my palate!

If anybody wants to try an experiment, tell yourself "There's only so many ways a wine can taste, there are only so many flavors a wine can have" and then see if that affects your perception of the wine.

I know mine will pass, maybe it's some form of viniferous melancholy, or oenophilic dissipation.

I hope yours passes, as well! [cheers.gif]
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#35 Post by Kris Patten » October 28th, 2019, 6:43 pm

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A bit of a tanjink here, but (a little follow on Matthew's post) what are people's thoughts about Primitivo, which I've had almost none of?
Give 2017 Casa Smith Primitivo from WA a go, WA makes pretty awful Zin, but this is a very good rendition of Primitivo due to site up on Northridge Vineyard on Wahluke Slope.
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#36 Post by Jim V a n P e l t » October 28th, 2019, 8:42 pm

I would echo earlier comments re: Bedrock and Carlisle as wineries to turn to for a "kinder, gentler" zin that's not overripe. That said, I totally get your dilemma. I've got a lot of "fruit bombs", zin or otherwise, that are languishing in my cellar as though they were inhabitants on the "Island of Misfit Toys". They no longer get the love in our household.

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#37 Post by Anton D » October 28th, 2019, 8:53 pm

Jim V a n P e l t wrote:
October 28th, 2019, 8:42 pm
I would echo earlier comments re: Bedrock and Carlisle as wineries to turn to for a "kinder, gentler" zin that's not overripe. That said, I totally get your dilemma. I've got a lot of "fruit bombs", zin or otherwise, that are languishing in my cellar as though they were inhabitants on the "Island of Misfit Toys". They no longer get the love in our household.
That is exceedingly interesting. I wonder if there will be movement toward more AFWE and away from fruit bombs now that the Parkerilla has lost its grip on the hobby.
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#38 Post by Gabe Berk » October 29th, 2019, 7:40 am

The shift has happened it sounds. Used to drink a lot of Pinot Noir and haven't really opened much over the past few years in comparison to other varietals.

Wait 2 years, then pop a Ridge, Turley, Carlisle, Bedrock, Limerick Lane or any of the other top producers and you'll probably find them enjoyable. The nice thing with Zin is it goes well with sturdy Fall/Winter foods and Spring/Summer grilled foods. For $35 you can drink some killer Zin rather than more expensive wines...

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#39 Post by M. Dildine » October 29th, 2019, 8:00 am

Matthew King wrote:
October 28th, 2019, 8:36 am
Zin is now one of the few CA varietals that I drink regularly.

I’ve become an insufferable French wine snob so most CA versions of Pinot, Chard, Syrah and Cab are just too rich for me — speaking generally.

But I do like leaner Zins because no one else in the world makes them. Not counting Primitivo here ...

I like Rafanelli with a few years on them best ...
Had a '17 A Raf two nights ago - terrific!

Not sure what's wrong with people who don't like Zin - but I'd have it checked!
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Re: What’s wrong with me - I don’t like zin anymore

#40 Post by Peter Petersen » October 29th, 2019, 8:52 am

M. Dildine wrote:
October 29th, 2019, 8:00 am

Not sure what's wrong with people who don't like Zin - but I'd have it checked!
Why? I know people who are happy to take the occasional case off my hands. And now I can focus on other wines.

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#41 Post by Richard T r i m p i » October 29th, 2019, 9:44 am

M. Dildine wrote:
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Not sure what's wrong with people who don't like Zin....
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Re: What’s wrong with me - I don’t like zin anymore

#42 Post by Kelly Flynn » October 29th, 2019, 10:57 am

Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote:
October 27th, 2019, 10:40 am
Popped open a bottle of 2012 Ridge Lytton Springs last night. My note on my last bottle in April sung its praises. Bottle last night was grapey and not enjoyable. Not any apparent flaws, but I didn’t like it. I checked my recent zin notes over the past few months and found similar experiences. An overt “grapeiness” which I just didn’t like. I think I’m growing tired of zins and don’t like the flavor profile anymore. Wondering if I just need a break or if this is just my tastes changing. Anyone else go through this with the same varietal? Hope it’s temporary as zin has always been my “go to” for reasonably priced reds which drink well.
If numerous dissertations have not been written on the psychology of wine enjoyment, well there should be.

I find my palate to be very cyclical. Over exposure to any one thing -- even the greatest wines -- tends to drive me away. Then sometimes, after the requisite cooling-off period, a single positive experience will bring me (sometimes manically) back to it.

Along these lines I sometimes make (internal) pronouncements or take actions that in hindsight are just plain stupid. For example, after a string of bad aged barolo experiences, and looking at the prices aged Bartolo Mascarello fetches these days, I decided to part with a bunch of mine. Then a 1990, decanted half a day and served with osso bucco with a few other wine lovers, had me questioning my sanity. Yes the proceeds were far greater than I would pay for the wine, but still I do regret selling them. (Thankfully left some behind.)

Speaking of zin...I haven't had one in a while, and last night at a "sponsored dinner" I tried the Hartford Family "Hartford Vineyard" 2017 (old vine) zinfandel for the first time and it was just delicious -- spicy black pepper, brambly, alcohol in check. Yum! I really need to revisit my "I love zin as long as it's Ridge Geyserville and with BBQ" policy.

My advice: Give it some time, and she will come back to you.

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#43 Post by Jay Miller » October 29th, 2019, 12:21 pm

Peter Petersen wrote:
October 29th, 2019, 8:52 am
M. Dildine wrote:
October 29th, 2019, 8:00 am

Not sure what's wrong with people who don't like Zin - but I'd have it checked!
Why? I know people who are happy to take the occasional case off my hands. And now I can focus on other wines.
But it might be a symptom of something more serious. I'd see a doctor if I were you. What if suddenly you stop liking Champagne next? Or Burgundy?
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#44 Post by Howard Cooper » October 29th, 2019, 1:20 pm

Anton D wrote:
October 28th, 2019, 6:26 pm
Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote:
October 27th, 2019, 10:40 am
Popped open a bottle of 2012 Ridge Lytton Springs last night. My note on my last bottle in April sung its praises. Bottle last night was grapey and not enjoyable. Not any apparent flaws, but I didn’t like it. I checked my recent zin notes over the past few months and found similar experiences. An overt “grapeiness” which I just didn’t like. I think I’m growing tired of zins and don’t like the flavor profile anymore. Wondering if I just need a break or if this is just my tastes changing. Anyone else go through this with the same varietal? Hope it’s temporary as zin has always been my “go to” for reasonably priced reds which drink well.
It's synchronicity that you posted this.

Last week, I was tasting with a friend and had a moment where I thought, "You know, there are only so many different ways a wine can taste."

My palate was bored that night.

I have tasted one cab since, and it was good, but subtle flaws clawed at me more so than the positive attributes. (It was a 2013 Alpha Omega Las Piedras cabernet. It's great, and my palate wasn't off, I was just having some wine ennui.)

Perhaps I did this to myself indirectly: my kid is studying for the MCAT test and I am doing it with him. He had a moment of normal 'kidness' and said it felt like there was no way he would ever see it all to get ready for the test. I told him it was OK, because he will find as he preps more that there is truly only a finite amount of information they can hit him up for....and maybe that seeped into my palate!

If anybody wants to try an experiment, tell yourself "There's only so many ways a wine can taste, there are only so many flavors a wine can have" and then see if that affects your perception of the wine.

I know mine will pass, maybe it's some form of viniferous melancholy, or oenophilic dissipation.

I hope yours passes, as well! [cheers.gif]
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Re: What’s wrong with me - I don’t like zin anymore

#45 Post by S. Rash » October 31st, 2019, 8:57 am

Anton D wrote:
October 28th, 2019, 8:53 pm
Jim V a n P e l t wrote:
October 28th, 2019, 8:42 pm
I would echo earlier comments re: Bedrock and Carlisle as wineries to turn to for a "kinder, gentler" zin that's not overripe. That said, I totally get your dilemma. I've got a lot of "fruit bombs", zin or otherwise, that are languishing in my cellar as though they were inhabitants on the "Island of Misfit Toys". They no longer get the love in our household.
That is exceedingly interesting. I wonder if there will be movement toward more AFWE and away from fruit bombs now that the Parkerilla has lost its grip on the hobby.
I agree! I find myself enjoying more wines with nuance, complexity and evolution in the glass more now than ever. The carbonic maceration movement is catching on right now and I had an amazing Grenache from Breaking Bread Winery in that style last weekend.
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#46 Post by Anton D » October 31st, 2019, 9:17 am

Howard Cooper wrote:
October 29th, 2019, 1:20 pm
Anton D wrote:
October 28th, 2019, 6:26 pm
Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote:
October 27th, 2019, 10:40 am
Popped open a bottle of 2012 Ridge Lytton Springs last night. My note on my last bottle in April sung its praises. Bottle last night was grapey and not enjoyable. Not any apparent flaws, but I didn’t like it. I checked my recent zin notes over the past few months and found similar experiences. An overt “grapeiness” which I just didn’t like. I think I’m growing tired of zins and don’t like the flavor profile anymore. Wondering if I just need a break or if this is just my tastes changing. Anyone else go through this with the same varietal? Hope it’s temporary as zin has always been my “go to” for reasonably priced reds which drink well.
It's synchronicity that you posted this.

Last week, I was tasting with a friend and had a moment where I thought, "You know, there are only so many different ways a wine can taste."

My palate was bored that night.

I have tasted one cab since, and it was good, but subtle flaws clawed at me more so than the positive attributes. (It was a 2013 Alpha Omega Las Piedras cabernet. It's great, and my palate wasn't off, I was just having some wine ennui.)

Perhaps I did this to myself indirectly: my kid is studying for the MCAT test and I am doing it with him. He had a moment of normal 'kidness' and said it felt like there was no way he would ever see it all to get ready for the test. I told him it was OK, because he will find as he preps more that there is truly only a finite amount of information they can hit him up for....and maybe that seeped into my palate!

If anybody wants to try an experiment, tell yourself "There's only so many ways a wine can taste, there are only so many flavors a wine can have" and then see if that affects your perception of the wine.

I know mine will pass, maybe it's some form of viniferous melancholy, or oenophilic dissipation.

I hope yours passes, as well! [cheers.gif]
If you think there’s only so many ways a wine can taste, try Burgundy

I think there are simply cycles to the whole thing.
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Re: What’s wrong with me - I don’t like zin anymore

#47 Post by Richard T r i m p i » October 31st, 2019, 10:30 am

Anton D wrote:
October 31st, 2019, 9:17 am
I think there are simply cycles to the whole thing.
Long cycles. I LOVED Zins in the 1980s and 1990s, cycled away in the early 2000s and have never been back. It didn't happen overnight but coincided with a couple of Sonoma trips and perceived efforts to change Zins in to Port.

No doubt there're "balanced" Zins somewhere beyond my normal stomping grounds. I don't usually turn down tastes at parties or tastings. None have ever called me back.

Once you fall for Burgs and restrained Pinots, you never really get over it.

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#48 Post by Anton D » October 31st, 2019, 11:26 am

Richard T r i m p i wrote:
October 31st, 2019, 10:30 am


Once you fall for Burgs and restrained Pinots, you never really get over it.
I think I must prefer variety to varietal.

Is there anybody who only drinks wine made from one type of grape?

Perhaps there are!

This is somewhat similar to that old drinking question: would you rather drink your favorite wine every day, or drink a random wine every day.

I'm in the random column.

Perpetual pinot pounding probably wouldn't provide me with enough pleasure.

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Re: What’s wrong with me - I don’t like zin anymore

#49 Post by Mike Kuller » October 31st, 2019, 11:41 am

Unlike Anton some would say I'm in a rut and don't prefer much variety - after all I've been married 37 years.

Zin is my go to wine - it's what got me started on my enjoyment of wine back in the early 1980s and I can always find one to enjoy with or without food.

But I do taste a lot and find other wines I like.

In fact a couple of weeks ago I had a terrific grenache - A Tribute to Grace 2015 from Santa Barbera. It's light, had some nice fruit and a little minerality to back it up - I had it with Vietnamese food but it would go great with Thanksgiving dinner.
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#50 Post by Richard T r i m p i » October 31st, 2019, 12:05 pm

Anton D wrote:
October 31st, 2019, 11:26 am
Perpetual pinot pounding probably wouldn't provide me with enough pleasure.
Don't get me wrong, there's a lot more to wine than Pinot Noir and I probably open/drink 5+ non-Pinots for every one.

But an ethereal Burg?

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