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Krug event impressions: 06 vintage and some older wines

#1 Post by Patrick Stella » October 19th, 2019, 2:04 pm

A big thank you to the Krug folks and a local retailer here who put on a very nice tasting this past week. Some impressions below:

Current GC 2011 base. Impressively good for a wine anchored by a challenging year. Well done.

06 very ripe. Very open. Certainly the most accessible young Krug I've ever tasted. I know 06 was a ripe vintage but this wine brought out that quality even more than some other champagnes. Overall I thought it was good. But it is perhaps a bit atypical.

06 base GC to compare. This was not good, and it's troubling to think it may be a signpost for how the 06 vintage will age. This is the first time I'd tasted this wine, so perhaps it was a bottle issue. If others have had this wine recently please chime in. This was surprisingly poor.

02 CdA. This stole the show. Absolutely stunning. I'm not a big buyer of CdM and CdA. Just too expensive for me with so much other good champagne for so much less. But this was epic. I couldn't hate.

96 vintage mag. I'm not a fan of this wine generally--i find it unbalanced. But this was pretty good. It felt more harmonious than 75ps I've had, which I did not expect.

A bit of a tough night otherwise with some dead or corked bottles like 82 and 79 which was disappointing. but good fun nonetheless.
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#2 Post by Warren Taranow » October 19th, 2019, 2:25 pm

Patrick,
Wow, what a great tasting. I haven’t had the ‘06 nor the eme 162, which I believe is the ‘06 base MV. However, if the ‘06 was showing well, I’d have to assume the 162 eme is just in a bad place or was a bad bottle. The MV have the advantages of consistent expert blending, and multiple vintages to balance it out. As you mentioned, they can make a great MV out of the challenging 2011 base; ‘06 should have been a slam dunk!
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#3 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » October 19th, 2019, 2:38 pm

I mean, it’s just a tough thing to gauge bc of the reserve wines. The 167 has the benefit of reserve wines from 96, 02, 06, 08, and 09 in addition to ‘11.

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#4 Post by Fred C » October 19th, 2019, 2:47 pm

Great notes! Honestly I’m shocked anyone has an issue with 96 vintage. For me it’s a toss up between 96 and 88 for WOTN every time it is opened.

We had a pristine 82 last week and it was as good if not better than the white label grand cuvee.
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#5 Post by Brad England » October 19th, 2019, 4:10 pm

Fred. Can't argue with you on the 88's. Had my first of the newly released 88 Collection this week and it was superb. My personal favorite Krug vintage by far.
The 96 is interesting though. In the years after its release, we had numerous (really, very numerous) comprehensive horizontal tastings of 1996 champagnes. All the usual and great suspects. And the Krug almost always was towards the top (like top three). But in the last few years (say from 2015 on), for me bottles have been very variable. Provenance of my bottles and those of my friends is very reliable. I'm not sure if there was/is a dumb phase. I've also had others say they've found bottles perplexing over the past few years. So I can easily understand Patrick's comment.
Patrick, any comments from Team Krug on 2008? Some are saying there will be no vintage?
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#6 Post by Patrick Stella » October 19th, 2019, 5:46 pm

Brad, thanks for reminding me on that. I did ask the Krug people about that and the person I was talking to said they honestly aren't sure. I believe it's still up in the air.

There was also some talk about not doing a 12, which I was confused by. Anyone have any info on that ? I dont understand why they wouldn't make 12 vintage--i thought its expected to be a generally good year.
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#7 Post by Fred C » October 19th, 2019, 6:28 pm

Brad, perplexing how? I’ve found they tend to pick up after 3 hours.

I haven’t opened any recently because I’m guessing/would have guessed they are 30-50 year wines.
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#8 Post by R. Frankel » October 19th, 2019, 10:09 pm

Patrick Stella wrote:
October 19th, 2019, 2:04 pm

06 base GC to compare. This was not good, and it's troubling to think it may be a signpost for how the 06 vintage will age. This is the first time I'd tasted this wine, so perhaps it was a bottle issue. If others have had this wine recently please chime in. This was surprisingly poor.
Interesting report, sounds like an excellent event. On this question - I’ve had the 2006 base MV multiple times, including just a few weeks ago. The most recent bottle (a 750) was excellent. Very Krug, showing the richness and complexity I expect, perhaps a tad more development than my previous bottle, but again, as expected. Adored by a few other folks with experienced palates. So perhaps yours was an off bottle? If you’re truly concerned, let me know, I’ll take your bottles off your hands champagne.gif .
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#9 Post by c fu » October 19th, 2019, 11:29 pm

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Fred. Can't argue with you on the 88's. Had my first of the newly released 88 Collection this week and it was superb. My personal favorite Krug vintage by far.
The 96 is interesting though. In the years after its release, we had numerous (really, very numerous) comprehensive horizontal tastings of 1996 champagnes. All the usual and great suspects. And the Krug almost always was towards the top (like top three). But in the last few years (say from 2015 on), for me bottles have been very variable. Provenance of my bottles and those of my friends is very reliable. I'm not sure if there was/is a dumb phase. I've also had others say they've found bottles perplexing over the past few years. So I can easily understand Patrick's comment.
Patrick, any comments from Team Krug on 2008? Some are saying there will be no vintage?
Out of a 6 pack - 3 btls have been opened this year. 1 really great. 1 decent. 1 showing tired notes and heavy oxy.

Someone messaged me on the gram that they thought 96 champers might not have the longevity that we hope
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#10 Post by Brad Baker » October 20th, 2019, 7:34 am

There is no 2012 straight vintage Krug. The statement from Krug on this is that they didn't feel they had enough high quality grapes to support both the Grande Cuvee needs and the volume they wanted to make a vintage wine at. The still wines from 2012 were very, very good and I don't agree with this decision from my viewpoint, but they obviously have a good reason. In general, I view 2012 as a spectacular year especially for Pinot grapes. Chardonnay was more variable and there were a lot of quantity issues in the Cote de Blancs. Overall, the quantity was down in 2012 and depending on where you grow/source, there could be quanity and quality issues.

Krug has remained mum on whether or not there will be any special/single vineyard wines released from 2012.

1996 has always been a vintage to be careful with when it comes to Pinot wines. Many grapes were not harvested with proper phenolic ripeness and rather by numbers on a sheet of paper. This has resulted in a lot of wines maturing quite rapidly, but maintaining a very acidic backbone. The wines are not maturing evenly either as one bottle of a wine may show well and the next sort of tired. The 1990 vintage has similar, but not quite the same problem with wines maturing much more quickly and not as uniform as expected. 2002 also has some issues with early maturing/peaking for the Chardonnay wines as some folks harvested a bit too ripe/mature.
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#11 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » October 20th, 2019, 7:37 am

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#12 Post by Michael S. Monie » October 20th, 2019, 8:36 am

While it's commendable that Krug places great importance on the mv, from a business perspective it seems questionable not to produce vintage wines from 2008 and 2012. Maybe they will follow Salon's lead with limited releases en magnum.
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#13 Post by Brad England » October 20th, 2019, 3:57 pm

c fu wrote:
October 19th, 2019, 11:29 pm
Out of a 6 pack - 3 btls have been opened this year. 1 really great. 1 decent. 1 showing tired notes and heavy oxy.

Someone messaged me on the gram that they thought 96 champers might not have the longevity that we hope
Hard to say, but it just seems there are a number of data points on 96 Krug that indicate it's not in a great space recently.
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#14 Post by Herwig Janssen » October 21st, 2019, 12:21 am

We had the 2002 Mesnils and Clos de L’Ambonnay 2002 last week . The first one was a finesse wine , young , mineral , chalky , stunningly good . The second one more creamy , powerful , very long and sweeter . A style preference . But both are some of the best Champagnes I ever had . The 1996’s are better imho but who knows 5 years from now .

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#15 Post by Robert M yers » October 21st, 2019, 1:20 am

The reps from Krug don’t bring backup bottles? I’m surprised they would even announce or show dead, corked or off bottles.

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#16 Post by R@y.Tupp@+sch » October 21st, 2019, 8:14 am

Robert M yers wrote:
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The reps from Krug don’t bring backup bottles? I’m surprised they would even announce or show dead, corked or off bottles.
Wasn't at this event, but for similar ones that I've been to, a few collectors/attendees bring a bottle or two from their cellars. I'm assuming that's what happened here.
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#17 Post by ybarselah » October 21st, 2019, 8:58 am

went to the krug house here in nyc for the final event on saturday and have a very different take on the 2006 base GC, edition 162 which i really enjoyed. the 2006 vintage wine i liked a lot, but i find i generally prefer GC to vintage - likely because it's just showing more at the same age. they also poured 167 which i think may have been my favorite. went back for more/a lot of each and was pleased by the consistency. 2004 also was excellent but closed for me. i think Krug GC out of magnum is perhaps the greatest deal in champagne.
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#18 Post by R@y.Tupp@+sch » October 21st, 2019, 10:23 am

ybarselah wrote:
October 21st, 2019, 8:58 am
i think Krug GC out of magnum is perhaps the greatest deal in champagne.
Jero or go home.
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#19 Post by ybarselah » October 21st, 2019, 10:35 am

R@y.Tupp@+sch wrote:
October 21st, 2019, 10:23 am
ybarselah wrote:
October 21st, 2019, 8:58 am
i think Krug GC out of magnum is perhaps the greatest deal in champagne.
Jero or go home.
haha... but for real, do they make the wine in jeros or decant after made?
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#20 Post by R@y.Tupp@+sch » October 21st, 2019, 10:47 am

ybarselah wrote:
October 21st, 2019, 10:35 am
R@y.Tupp@+sch wrote:
October 21st, 2019, 10:23 am
ybarselah wrote:
October 21st, 2019, 8:58 am
i think Krug GC out of magnum is perhaps the greatest deal in champagne.
Jero or go home.
haha... but for real, do they make the wine in jeros or decant after made?
Verboten for 10-12?? or so years for jero's.
Secondary fermentation has to be in bottle for 3L or smaller, unless regulations have recently changed which I'm not aware of.
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#21 Post by c fu » October 21st, 2019, 11:17 am

R@y.Tupp@+sch wrote:
October 21st, 2019, 10:47 am
ybarselah wrote:
October 21st, 2019, 10:35 am
R@y.Tupp@+sch wrote:
October 21st, 2019, 10:23 am


Jero or go home.
haha... but for real, do they make the wine in jeros or decant after made?
Verboten for 10-12?? or so years for jero's.
Secondary fermentation has to be in bottle for 3L or smaller, unless regulations have recently changed which I'm not aware of.
I was told that Krug ages in 750 then mags are put together at a later date in larger bottles when disgorged. I don't know if that's incorrect info or not.
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#22 Post by Patrick Stella » October 21st, 2019, 1:34 pm

R@y.Tupp@+sch wrote:
October 21st, 2019, 8:14 am
Robert M yers wrote:
October 21st, 2019, 1:20 am
The reps from Krug don’t bring backup bottles? I’m surprised they would even announce or show dead, corked or off bottles.
Wasn't at this event, but for similar ones that I've been to, a few collectors/attendees bring a bottle or two from their cellars. I'm assuming that's what happened here.
Ray is correct.

Robert, the older bottles were from collectors, not straight from Krug.

But the 06 base GC was from Krug--Yaacov, glad you had a better result with it.
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#23 Post by ybarselah » October 21st, 2019, 2:46 pm

c fu wrote:
October 21st, 2019, 11:17 am

I was told that Krug ages in 750 then mags are put together at a later date in larger bottles when disgorged. I don't know if that's incorrect info or not.
incorrect, fortunately. i believe there is a rule that says anything below jero must be sold in the same bottle in which 2ndary fermentation occurs. seems at krug, all wines are matured in format.

ray - do you remember the auction at daniel with neil degrasse tyson explaining why mags age and taste better? pretty cool.
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#24 Post by R@y.Tupp@+sch » October 21st, 2019, 3:11 pm

ybarselah wrote:
October 21st, 2019, 2:46 pm
c fu wrote:
October 21st, 2019, 11:17 am

I was told that Krug ages in 750 then mags are put together at a later date in larger bottles when disgorged. I don't know if that's incorrect info or not.
incorrect, fortunately. i believe there is a rule that says anything below jero must be sold in the same bottle in which 2ndary fermentation occurs. seems at krug, all wines are matured in format.

ray - do you remember the auction at daniel with neil degrasse tyson explaining why mags age and taste better? pretty cool.
I remember, and I take full credit - whether warranted or not - on him stating his hypothesis by gathering information from me based on my years of drinking Champagne in multiple formats!!
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#25 Post by ybarselah » October 21st, 2019, 3:20 pm

R@y.Tupp@+sch wrote:
October 21st, 2019, 3:11 pm
ybarselah wrote:
October 21st, 2019, 2:46 pm
c fu wrote:
October 21st, 2019, 11:17 am

I was told that Krug ages in 750 then mags are put together at a later date in larger bottles when disgorged. I don't know if that's incorrect info or not.
incorrect, fortunately. i believe there is a rule that says anything below jero must be sold in the same bottle in which 2ndary fermentation occurs. seems at krug, all wines are matured in format.

ray - do you remember the auction at daniel with neil degrasse tyson explaining why mags age and taste better? pretty cool.
I remember, and I take full credit - whether warranted or not - on him stating his hypothesis by gathering information from me based on my years of drinking Champagne in multiple formats!!
you only drink champagne in two formats; big, and bigger. i just recently had my last magnum of 93 ruinart that i got at that sale and it was so damn good.
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#26 Post by mike c » October 21st, 2019, 4:10 pm

Brad England wrote:
October 20th, 2019, 3:57 pm
c fu wrote:
October 19th, 2019, 11:29 pm
Out of a 6 pack - 3 btls have been opened this year. 1 really great. 1 decent. 1 showing tired notes and heavy oxy.

Someone messaged me on the gram that they thought 96 champers might not have the longevity that we hope
Hard to say, but it just seems there are a number of data points on 96 Krug that indicate it's not in a great space recently.
high variance but the highs are far below how this wine seemed to show a few years ago.
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