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#1 Post by John Glas » October 16th, 2019, 5:30 pm

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#2 Post by J. Rock » October 16th, 2019, 5:47 pm

Hm, I do like brown sugar and port...
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#3 Post by John Glas » October 16th, 2019, 5:50 pm

Hm, I do like brown sugar and port...
Scary part is how many people I talked at the event like it. I have had Caymus from the 2000s that were solid but the last 2 vintages for me are not drinkable.

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#4 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » October 16th, 2019, 7:17 pm

Just be glad you got a bottle, given the scarcity of this beautiful deftly made wine. Maybe you had a bad bottle? That a bag of brown sugar fell into?

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#5 Post by Victor Hong » October 16th, 2019, 7:22 pm

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But it sells well, especially at Yabba-Dabba-Doo steakhouses. Caymus is laughing all the way to the bank, and does not give a flying fick about us wine geeks.
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#6 Post by Kris Patten » October 16th, 2019, 7:43 pm

99.9% of the wine consumers disagree with this post.
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#7 Post by Victor Hong » October 16th, 2019, 7:44 pm

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99.9% of the wine consumers disagree with this post.
The original post?
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#8 Post by Kris Patten » October 16th, 2019, 7:44 pm

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99.9% of the wine consumers disagree with this post.
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Yes. And any disparaging comments towards Caymus after.
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#9 Post by John J » October 16th, 2019, 7:57 pm

I literally have a over a case of Caymus in my bedroom closet. When people hear I enjoy wine, this is the bottle I am usually gifted.
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#10 Post by GregT » October 16th, 2019, 8:03 pm

99.9% of the wine consumers disagree with this post.
99.9 percent of the wine's (Caymus's) customers or 99.9 percent of all wine customers?

I would assume that it holds true for the first, since there will be those who buy it and are disappointed. But as to the second, there are plenty of people in the US and elsewhere who aren't fans. Not only wine geeks either, just people who don't want to pay an exorbitant amount for something that isn't their style.

But as Victor pointed out, the Wagners don't care as long as they're selling out and the stuff isn't piling up. They have a pretty good understanding of popular taste, which is apparent in all of their wines. For my part, I just avoid anything with a Wagner connection.
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#11 Post by David B » October 16th, 2019, 8:33 pm

John J wrote:
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I literally have a over a case of Caymus in my bedroom closet. When people hear I enjoy wine, this is the bottle I am usually gifted.
Us too...we have an almost complete vertical going back to 2011.
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#12 Post by Kris Patten » October 16th, 2019, 8:38 pm

GregT wrote:
October 16th, 2019, 8:03 pm
99.9% of the wine consumers disagree with this post.
99.9 percent of the wine's (Caymus's) customers or 99.9 percent of all wine customers?

I would assume that it holds true for the first, since there will be those who buy it and are disappointed. But as to the second, there are plenty of people in the US and elsewhere who aren't fans. Not only wine geeks either, just people who don't want to pay an exorbitant amount for something that isn't their style.

But as Victor pointed out, the Wagners don't care as long as they're selling out and the stuff isn't piling up. They have a pretty good understanding of popular taste, which is apparent in all of their wines. For my part, I just avoid anything with a Wagner connection.
Every single one of my friends, acquaintances, wife's friends, acquaintances and family are super excited if Caymus is opened and love it, unless they dont drink wine. they don't. Same goes for a ton of labels for people who like wine and want something familiar, whether thru marketing or friends.

I get it, easy to hate things here, but anything that gets people drinking wine vs. beer or White Claw, I am down with.....I never drank Mollydooker, but it got general public to consider spending $20 vs. $8 so it helped move wine forward.

Tons of shit I don't like nor drink, but let's not hate on things that get everyday consumer to drink wine vs. beer, spirits, or malt products and spend up.
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#13 Post by Chris Seiber » October 16th, 2019, 10:57 pm

I don’t like it, either, yet I know this sort of sweet, ripe, plush red has lots of fans, and the producers who cater to it are making bank.

And it’s totally fine. I drink what I like, others do the same. There’s no real harm.

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#14 Post by Robert M yers » October 17th, 2019, 7:13 am

Needs more time...

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#15 Post by Bdklein » October 17th, 2019, 7:30 am

I can’t wait until I buy the 50th anniversary bottles and flip those .
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#16 Post by Brandon R » October 17th, 2019, 8:00 am

I think you had an off bottle.
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#17 Post by Juliec » October 17th, 2019, 8:09 am

Is Caymus flippable? I thought that only the Special Selection is increasing in price these days. Restaurant by the glass was a good Cabernet very standard Napa cab.
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#18 Post by John Glas » October 17th, 2019, 11:21 am

[quote99.9% of the wine consumers disagree with this post.][/quote]Yes had to bite my tongue around the table as the over whelming excitement of Caymus being poured produced large crowds. Many a taster raved how great it was.

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#19 Post by JBucholz » October 17th, 2019, 12:52 pm

I was given a bottle of the ‘16 by someone that I had helped with a significant project that I refused to be paid for. Her knowledge of wine is mainly drawn from 80’s and 90’s California Cabernet so I know her heart was absolutely in the right place. I sincerely thanked her for the generous gift.

My plan is to open it sometime when we have the right crowd over for dinner, i.e., no AFWEs. I know it will go over well because of the pedigree. So even if the wine is not in my personal wheelhouse, I think it will still bring me pleasure because it will be enjoyed by others.
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#20 Post by Joe B » October 17th, 2019, 12:57 pm

Bdklein wrote:
October 17th, 2019, 7:30 am
I can’t wait until I buy the 50th anniversary bottles and flip those .
Me too except I will flip my remaining 3 bottles of the 2012 with the 50th at a significant mark up
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#21 Post by Joe Raymond » October 17th, 2019, 1:03 pm

Juliec wrote:
October 17th, 2019, 8:09 am
Is Caymus flippable? I thought that only the Special Selection is increasing in price these days. Restaurant by the glass was a good Cabernet very standard Napa cab.
my 2012 40th anniversary I picked up from Trader Joe's I picked up for $55 is auctioning around $150 or so. So when 2022 vintage hits it should be pretty easy to flip the Special Anniversary bottles again :)
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#22 Post by Anton D » October 17th, 2019, 1:08 pm

John Glas wrote:
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99.9% of the wine consumers disagree with this post.
John, in the future, when it comes to posting a tasting note that includes Caymus (unless it agrees with 99.9% of wine consumers,) you should shut your mouth like you are LeBron James being asked about China.

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#23 Post by Victor Hong » October 17th, 2019, 1:14 pm

JBucholz wrote:
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.......... Her knowledge of wine is mainly drawn from 80’s and 90’s California Cabernet so I know her heart was absolutely in the right place.....
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#24 Post by Howard Cooper » October 17th, 2019, 1:18 pm

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Seems like a tasting note for a Klondike Bar. Anton is correct.
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#25 Post by Howard Cooper » October 17th, 2019, 1:21 pm

David B wrote:
October 16th, 2019, 8:33 pm
John J wrote:
October 16th, 2019, 7:57 pm
I literally have a over a case of Caymus in my bedroom closet. When people hear I enjoy wine, this is the bottle I am usually gifted.
Us too...we have an almost complete vertical going back to 2011.
There is very little worse than getting wine as a gift from a non-wine geek, esp. one who likes wine.
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#26 Post by Victor Hong » October 17th, 2019, 1:24 pm

Howard Cooper wrote:
October 17th, 2019, 1:21 pm
David B wrote:
October 16th, 2019, 8:33 pm
John J wrote:
October 16th, 2019, 7:57 pm
I literally have a over a case of Caymus in my bedroom closet. When people hear I enjoy wine, this is the bottle I am usually gifted.
Us too...we have an almost complete vertical going back to 2011.
There is very little worse than getting wine as a gift from a non-wine geek, esp. one who likes wine.
The generous thought behind the wine may endure longer than its points or tasting notes. I personally do not recall ever regretting a wine gift......even a 1959 La Mission Haut Brion.
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#27 Post by John Glas » October 17th, 2019, 2:11 pm

John J wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:57 pm
I literally have a over a case of Caymus in my bedroom closet. When people hear I enjoy wine, this is the bottle I am usually gifted.
Us too...we have an almost complete vertical going back to 2011.
There is very little worse than getting wine as a gift from a non-wine geek, esp. one who likes wine.
You would be a Rockstar at a white elephant gift party!!! champagne.gif

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#28 Post by Anton D » October 17th, 2019, 2:37 pm

Howard Cooper wrote:
October 17th, 2019, 1:21 pm
David B wrote:
October 16th, 2019, 8:33 pm
John J wrote:
October 16th, 2019, 7:57 pm
I literally have a over a case of Caymus in my bedroom closet. When people hear I enjoy wine, this is the bottle I am usually gifted.
Us too...we have an almost complete vertical going back to 2011.
There is very little worse than getting wine as a gift from a non-wine geek, esp. one who likes wine.
When I walk into Costco and see those 8 dollar 4 packs of Bordeaux, I get a little shiver knowing that they will somehow track me down after making eye contact in the store.
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#29 Post by Juliec » October 17th, 2019, 3:47 pm

Joe Raymond wrote:
October 17th, 2019, 1:03 pm
Juliec wrote:
October 17th, 2019, 8:09 am
Is Caymus flippable? I thought that only the Special Selection is increasing in price these days. Restaurant by the glass was a good Cabernet very standard Napa cab.
my 2012 40th anniversary I picked up from Trader Joe's I picked up for $55 is auctioning around $150 or so. So when 2022 vintage hits it should be pretty easy to flip the Special Anniversary bottles again :)
Thanks for the tip Joe. Can't wait. Wow, and I was happy for $189 on my cellared SS.
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#30 Post by Bdklein » October 17th, 2019, 5:57 pm

Joe B wrote:
October 17th, 2019, 12:57 pm
Bdklein wrote:
October 17th, 2019, 7:30 am
I can’t wait until I buy the 50th anniversary bottles and flip those .
Me too except I will flip my remaining 3 bottles of the 2012 with the 50th at a significant mark up
That’s a great idea . Should have saved mine instead of half-drinking them. I’m surprised by the prices at resale given the large number of bottles released .
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#31 Post by B. Buzzini » October 17th, 2019, 6:04 pm

Such a shame...great wines back in the 80’s-90’s.
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#32 Post by Chr!s G|@rn3r » October 17th, 2019, 6:10 pm

Anyone want to sell me their unwanted Caymus at well-below release price?

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#33 Post by Anton D » October 17th, 2019, 6:18 pm

Chr!s G|@rn3r wrote:
October 17th, 2019, 6:10 pm
Anyone want to sell me their unwanted Caymus at well-below release price?
Nah, we like you too much to do such a terrible thing.
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#34 Post by Anton D » October 17th, 2019, 6:19 pm

B. Buzzini wrote:
October 17th, 2019, 6:04 pm
Such a shame...great wines back in the 80’s-90’s.
So true, 70s through very early 90s, for me! [cheers.gif]
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#35 Post by mstockley » October 17th, 2019, 7:43 pm

1988 Caymus Napa and 1991 Caymus Special Selection were epiphany wines for me when I started this journey. Stopped buying with the 1997 as the style changed.
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#36 Post by JBucholz » October 27th, 2019, 8:52 pm

Another recent similar CellarTracker take. It was followed two days later by a taster who simply said, “Wow. Amazing...” and scored it a 94. This wine may have the single greatest standard deviation in the history of CellarTracker.

  • 2016 Caymus Cabernet Sauvignon - USA, California, Napa Valley (10/18/2019)
    OMFG - I waited eight years to taste this wine, and I'm very surprised by the reality vs the reviews ...

    Why did I have high expectations? We all have preferred styles. Me, I like bright, clean whites, and big, fruit forward, highly alcoholic red wines. The reds that I love get criticized by some people who use similar terminology to those who diss Caymus, so I guessed that Caymus might share some characteristics of the wines that I love - wines like Clio, like Mollydooker's Blue Eyed By, like Penfolds Bin 389, Turley Zinfandels, even Martinelli Zinfandels with 17% alcohol.

    So I'm browsing through an unfamiliar wine store in an unfamiliar town and, for the first time, saw half-bottles of Caymus 2016 for $49. I had intended to try this wine for eight or ten years, but never got around to spending $90 on a gamble. I bought the half-bottle, and a few other familiar reds at the same time. Just got to my hotel room in time to watch UFC and open the Caymus ...

    The wine is very dark purple, 14.7% alcohol, medium viscosity, with aromas of red fruit, vanilla, cough syrup. As soon as it touched my tongue I tasted sugar - not red fruit, just plain sucrose. I had an instantaneous emotional reaction - fear. I didn't want to let this wine go anywhere near the back of my mouth. It reminded me of my reaction when I tried Durian fruit ice-cream. I was afraid that I would gag as it went down. I swallowed it, and went "blech". I want to understand this wine, so I took another sip and forced myself to swish it around my mouth. It seems nasty.

    I have to say that I am baffled - sure there are plenty of critics of Caymus - but there are plenty of people who love it, and many positive reviews. So, if this is a great wine, why can't I taste it? It seems artificial, like candy, reminds me of Layer Cake Shiraz reds, of Meoimi Pinot Noir, and Chronic Cellars Purple Paradise. It can't be as simple as "its a faecal wine."

    I'm still in the hotel room, now with a 2015 Mollydooker Blue Eyed Boy, which at 17% alcohol tastes more balanced, natural, and whilst very much a fruit bomb, doesn't taste confected or unnatural. My glass of Caymus sits unfinished and I think ill give the remainder of the bottle to someone else to finish. Bottom line - whilst I cant drink Caymus, I wonder if its actually an amazing wine that just isn't compatible with my palate. I would sooner drink an $8 bottle of Honoro Vera Monastrell than another $80 Caymus. (84 pts.)
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#37 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » October 28th, 2019, 2:37 am

Perhaps funnier, he finds the wine undrinkable and yet still manages to score it an 84.

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#38 Post by C Chen » October 28th, 2019, 7:11 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
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Perhaps funnier, he finds the wine undrinkable and yet still manages to score it an 84.
From most CT scores, I'd estimate 89-90 points is typically given to one's C+ to B- wines. Weird, but giving 84 after all that is definitely pretty funny.
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#39 Post by Tran Bronstein » October 29th, 2019, 10:13 am

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Hm, I do like brown sugar and port...
Me too! In actual brown sugar and Port wine. I am amenable to accepting brown sugar flavors in my aged rum, though.
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#40 Post by John Glas » October 29th, 2019, 8:23 pm

Needs more time...
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#41 Post by John Glas » October 29th, 2019, 8:26 pm

[quotePerhaps funnier, he finds the wine undrinkable and yet still manages to score it an 84.][/quote]Here is the problem with wine scoring. An 84 is a death sentence from WS or WA. An 89 from Suckling means your wine is dead at retail. The scoring window is 90 to 100. No more B wines it seems anymore.

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#42 Post by John Glas » October 29th, 2019, 8:28 pm

I am just glad I tried this wine at a tasting. Did not need to pay the $70 a bottle. It was entertaining that a few people I talked to had this wine peg as wine of the night.

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