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#1 Post by Dinesh Goyal » October 14th, 2019, 4:52 pm

Hey guys
Looking for recommendations on red wines that we can serve at a small party. Something that pairs well with Indian food. Ideally under $40 and available in NY/NJ so that I can get it delivered this week.

Thanks a lot the recommendations.

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#2 Post by brodie thomson » October 14th, 2019, 4:59 pm

I have had really good luck matching CNDP with Indian food (no hotter that medium). Otherwise a lighter fruit forward Pinot Noir also works. Avoiding red wines with a lot of tannins is the key for me.

If you are going to have the food hot, I would move to a kabinett or spatlese German Rielsling.

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#3 Post by Justin S » October 14th, 2019, 5:18 pm

Agree that low tannin is better.

My votes:
- a light-bodied cabernet franc like 2017 Domaine de la Bergerie Anjou "La Cerisaie". About $20. Had this in NY last month. I read online somewhere that cabernet franc clashes with tumeric dishes though;

- 2016 Domaine Jean Foillard Morgon Les Charmes Eponym or similar gamay. $30+

- Mencia, maybe something with low tannin from Raul Perez

- your favorite rose

Many people recommend riesling, but I think it is overplayed, especially because sometimes people just want a red and may be used to eating spicy food.
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#4 Post by Robert R » October 14th, 2019, 6:14 pm

St Cosme Cote du Rhône is a great party wine....inexpensive mags make a nice presentation and easy to drink for a non wine geek crowd
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#5 Post by Nathan Smyth » October 14th, 2019, 6:27 pm

The Treana Cabernet would have the "nose" to stand up to Indian spices, and the neophytes would love it.

Plus it can double as an after-dinner Port.

And you can even pour it over a custard & light it on fire & serve it as a flambé.

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It's a very versatile wine for large gatherings.

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#6 Post by Ian S » October 14th, 2019, 7:12 pm

New Zealand Pinot Noir. Seaside Cellars has one that needs a few hours of air, but is really tasty once it opens up. Super thrifty too.
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#7 Post by Nathan Smyth » October 15th, 2019, 11:37 am

It's a shame that no one in New York seems to stock the old vine Zinfandels which Philippe Melka oversees for Andis.

They're like Treana for the AFWE.

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#8 Post by T. Williams » October 15th, 2019, 11:46 am

Justin S wrote:
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Many people recommend riesling, but I think it is overplayed...
Classic never gets overplayed. I think the reason that people recommend it, is because it works so well.

To the OP:
I'd find a beaujolais at whatever price point and availability you have. Crush Wine (NYC) has 64 different beaujolais in stock.


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#10 Post by Nathan Smyth » October 15th, 2019, 12:49 pm

If you throw white wines into the mix, Eric Texier made a wine, called "Cassis", which was outstanding with Indian food.

But Cellar Tracker seems to indicate that there was only ever one single vintage of it.

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#11 Post by Dinesh Goyal » October 15th, 2019, 6:22 pm

Thanks guys.

Any suggestion for a white other than Riesling? Also trying to avoid any of the floral wines (Gruner, gewurztraminer Etc).

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#12 Post by Frank Murray III » October 15th, 2019, 6:42 pm

Dinesh, we have done a lot of Indian food paired with wine over the past year. Some reds have worked, some have not. Samosa, chicken tikka (anything without the cream base) have worked well with reds that are cool or lightly chilled, such as pinot noir, rose and some zin. I honestly though like the premise of Champagne with Indian, although you're not looking for that as the pairing.
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#13 Post by Lee Short » October 15th, 2019, 7:23 pm

"Indian food" covers a lot of ground, as I'm sure you know, Dinesh. I think that if you're looking for a red wine to match a wide range of Indian food, you won't really find a satisfactory match. Can you give us a better idea of the food, or at least of the dishes you want to match with red wine?

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#14 Post by Lee Short » October 15th, 2019, 7:25 pm

"Indian food" covers a lot of ground, as I'm sure you know, Dinesh. I think that if you're looking for a red wine to match a wide range of Indian food, you won't really find a satisfactory match. Can you give us a better idea of the food, or at least of the dishes you want to match with red wine?

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#15 Post by Howard Cooper » October 15th, 2019, 7:25 pm

I recommend German Kabinett or Spatlese.

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#16 Post by Lee Short » October 15th, 2019, 7:26 pm

I'd recommend Txakolina for a white.

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#17 Post by Chris Seiber » October 15th, 2019, 7:34 pm

Zinfandel is a great choice. Lots of fruit and flavor not to get lost behind the strong flavors, much easier for non wine geek types to like than some of the other reds mentioned in the thread, not much tannin (tannin in wine is amplified by hot spice, making the wine taste extra bitter), and lots of great options under $40.

Zin will also stand up better if there are hotter foods in your meal, compared to most other reds.

Turley, Carlisle, Ridge, Hartford, Seghesio, lots of options. Not sure what is easily available to you where you shop.

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#18 Post by Vince T » October 15th, 2019, 8:11 pm

I’d go for a dolcetto or a barbera from a good producer like Vajra or Vietti. Fresh and young, with a bit of earthy bitterness works nicely. Also, Lambrusco can be an inspired pairing!
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#19 Post by Nowell Karten » October 16th, 2019, 2:27 am

In a thread three years ago, seeking recommendations for red wines with Indian food, I suggested the lightly sparkling, slightly sweet, pink Cerdon du Bugey:

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#20 Post by J a y H a c k » October 16th, 2019, 7:08 am

brodie thomson wrote:
October 14th, 2019, 4:59 pm
I have had really good luck matching CNDP with Indian food (no hotter that medium). . . .
In the same vein, I like California GSM blends, especially those that are a bit heavy on the Grenache. The first time I had the combination, it was because it was all I had in my office and I was going to Utsav in NYC for a pre-theater dinner. I paired it with Rogan Josh and the pairing was surprisingly excellent. BUT note that I like GSM blends anyway.
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#21 Post by Dinesh Goyal » October 16th, 2019, 7:48 am

Thanks guys.

Jay/ Chris, any recommendations for Zinfandel and GSM that are slightly light on their feet (ie < 15% ABV)

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#22 Post by A Rubin Stein » October 16th, 2019, 7:54 am

J a y H a c k wrote:
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brodie thomson wrote:
October 14th, 2019, 4:59 pm
I have had really good luck matching CNDP with Indian food (no hotter that medium). . . .
In the same vein, I like California GSM blends, especially those that are a bit heavy on the Grenache. The first time I had the combination, it was because it was all I had in my office . . . .
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#23 Post by jeffmazen » October 16th, 2019, 9:36 am

Zweigelt and Gruner would probably match up well.
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#24 Post by Chris Seiber » October 16th, 2019, 3:00 pm

Dinesh Goyal wrote:
October 16th, 2019, 7:48 am
Thanks guys.

Jay/ Chris, any recommendations for Zinfandel and GSM that are slightly light on their feet (ie < 15% ABV)
I'm happy to give recommendations. Can you give me an idea what kinds of places you would be looking to make your purchases from? As you can imagine, there are different answers to your question if you are going to shop at Hi Time or K&L, versus Total Wine, versus the supermarket, etc.

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#25 Post by Dan Kravitz » October 16th, 2019, 5:41 pm

Good question and really interesting replies. There's usually something like a consensus about wine and food on this board, but here we have reccos for Mediterranean reds, Pinot Noirs and Cabernets! Not to mention Nebbiolo and Zinfandel. Literally all over the map.

I would go Mediterranean. Not sure I would go as heavy as Chateauneuf-du-Pape. I would look for a high quality Cotes du Rhone, something with intensity of flavor, but not the weight or alcohol of bigger Rhone reds. And just to assure as much confusion as possible, I would think a well-aged, mid-level Rioja Reserva could go well.

I haven't cooked Indian food in decades (and of course what's served in Assam, New Delhi and Tamil Nadu are not necessarily similar), but get carryout occasionally from a good mainstream place in Brunswick Maine. I normally go Rhone, but having just though of it will try a Rioja next time.

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#26 Post by Stan Y. » October 16th, 2019, 5:56 pm

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#27 Post by Jay Miller » October 16th, 2019, 7:19 pm

Lee Short wrote:
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"Indian food" covers a lot of ground, as I'm sure you know, Dinesh. I think that if you're looking for a red wine to match a wide range of Indian food, you won't really find a satisfactory match. Can you give us a better idea of the food, or at least of the dishes you want to match with red wine?
What Lee said. The answer is very different for chicken Tandoori vs lamb vindaloo

Re lighter Zin, Scherrer is my favorite.
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#28 Post by John J » October 16th, 2019, 7:59 pm

Frappato and/or Nero D’Avola
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#29 Post by Nate Simon » October 16th, 2019, 8:10 pm

Riesling, Alsace GWT/Pinot Gris.
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#30 Post by Sarah Kirschbaum » October 16th, 2019, 8:27 pm

In my opinion, though some red wines can sometimes work with some Indian dishes, I don't think red wine ever enhances an Indian meal. But that enhancement isn't always the priority. So I'd say serve what you like and what fits your budget, choosing something not too aggressive in any characteristic - a nice crowd pleaser.

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#31 Post by Kris Patten » October 16th, 2019, 9:53 pm

Assuming there is some spice and spice driven flavors, I'd go Lambusco for a red.
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#32 Post by Alex N » October 16th, 2019, 10:29 pm

Such a wide array of Indian foods (spicy, refreshing, savory, spicy, etc). If it's full spectrum I'd completely agree with Sarah. If you can be more specific about the dishes being served, the recco's will get more refined for pairing and you'll be able to more easily narrow it down. It's sort of like asking what kind of wine to bring to a pizza joint that has 200 toppings and 10 types of crust.
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#33 Post by Dinesh Goyal » October 17th, 2019, 4:17 am

I thought may be share the menu :)
Chicken Cream Tikka
Chicken Seekh Kebab
Paneer Tikka
Fish Ajwaini (Carom Seeds) Tikka
Daal Makhani
Karahi Murgh

I wasn’t originally planning to add champagne but thinking will do that now (in addition to red). First couple of hours of the party will be really drinks and tandoori appetizers.

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#34 Post by Juliec » October 17th, 2019, 8:05 am

For spicy foods, I have found that CdP pairs pretty well and also is very approachable for groups. I think you don't want to get to fruit forward, otherwise would recommend some pinots from California as spicy and fruit balance well. There are plenty of Burgundy options too in the fruity range. For the fish and chicken, maybe you may want to consider some Chenin Blancs from Loire or S. Africa. Some who may not normally drink wine, may try it. Difference color wines may be fun if it's for Diwali.
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#35 Post by Jay Miller » October 17th, 2019, 1:41 pm

Dinesh Goyal wrote:
October 17th, 2019, 4:17 am
I thought may be share the menu :)
Chicken Cream Tikka
Chicken Seekh Kebab
Paneer Tikka
Fish Ajwaini (Carom Seeds) Tikka
Daal Makhani
Karahi Murgh

I wasn’t originally planning to add champagne but thinking will do that now (in addition to red). First couple of hours of the party will be really drinks and tandoori appetizers.
Other than the Daal Makhani (I'm not a fan of yogurt or cream based dishes with wine) you have a lot to work with. If I'm reading the menu correctly the food has a lot of spices (ginger, cardamom, etc.) but not an excessive amount of heat. The lighter zin rec sounds good to me, I'd also consider a medium bodied Pinot based wine, not oaky.
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#36 Post by joeduncan » October 17th, 2019, 1:58 pm

I'm firmly in the riesling camp here, skip the reds. However the thread has certainly encouraged me to revisit the topic and try some pinots and lighter CdP too.

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#37 Post by John Glas » October 17th, 2019, 2:12 pm

St Cosme Cote du Rhône is a great party wine....inexpensive mags make a nice presentation and easy to drink for a non wine geek crowd
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#38 Post by John Glas » October 17th, 2019, 2:15 pm

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Day 1: $32 at Hennepin Lake with tax. Hello! Great at the tasting but wow on the nose. Blue currants, minerals, subtle oak, graphite, cherry and exotic spices. This wine is BALANCED. Medium plus finish and super complex. This is not only the value wine of the year but candidate for wine of the year. Beautiful!!! 93+
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Day 2: Pencil lead, blue currants, minerals, mild oak, spice and floral notes. Medium plus finish. Not a power house wine but super complex. This is a tremendous value. 92 points (93 points)

This wine will appeal to a mass audience. WS has it at some places in NY.

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#39 Post by kyledorsey » October 17th, 2019, 3:30 pm

I'd probably go for the Beaujolais Villages bottling from Foillard with that lineup of dishes. It is lighter and fruitier than the Cote du Py which would be lost in this meal.

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#40 Post by Justin S » October 17th, 2019, 3:49 pm

John Glas wrote:
October 17th, 2019, 2:15 pm
https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/tenu ... a+igt/2015
2015 Tenuta di Arceno Il Fauno Di Arcanum Toscana IGT - Italy, Tuscany, Toscana IGT (10/16/2019)
Day 1: $32 at Hennepin Lake with tax. Hello! Great at the tasting but wow on the nose. Blue currants, minerals, subtle oak, graphite, cherry and exotic spices. This wine is BALANCED. Medium plus finish and super complex. This is not only the value wine of the year but candidate for wine of the year. Beautiful!!! 93+
59% Merlot, 30% Cabernet Franc, 9% Cabernet Sauvignon, 2% Petit Verdot.
Day 2: Pencil lead, blue currants, minerals, mild oak, spice and floral notes. Medium plus finish. Not a power house wine but super complex. This is a tremendous value. 92 points (93 points)

This wine will appeal to a mass audience. WS has it at some places in NY.
I've had the '06 and '13 of this wine, but never thought to pair it with Indian food. It's a big wine, high abv, and has noticeable oak influence, all things I try to avoid. A bit international in style, which lends the crowd pleasing nature you mention. Maybe with lamb chops. Admittedly, never tried the '15. Makes sense that the vintage would be more fruity and smooth.

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#41 Post by Subu Ramachandran » October 17th, 2019, 4:25 pm

Dinesh Goyal wrote:
October 17th, 2019, 4:17 am
I thought may be share the menu :)
Chicken Cream Tikka
Chicken Seekh Kebab
Paneer Tikka
Fish Ajwaini (Carom Seeds) Tikka
Daal Makhani
Karahi Murgh

I wasn’t originally planning to add champagne but thinking will do that now (in addition to red). First couple of hours of the party will be really drinks and tandoori appetizers.
Dinesh,

This is my tried and tested given your choice of red and your budget.

For kebabs (chicken and panner) - Cru Bojo. Foillard Morgons have worked well.
For Kadai murgh - a N. Rhone Syrah like Chave Offerus.

Champagne however pairs well as many suggested(with most foods).

I would avoid, oaky, tannic and alcoholic reds.

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#42 Post by Dan Kravitz » October 17th, 2019, 4:45 pm

I like Subu's reccos and kudos to whoever first mentioned Cru Beaujolais. OTOH, not sure about northern Rhone Syrah for the Karahi/Kadai Murgh, I'd look for a southern Rhone, more earth than mineral. Zinfandel below the alky level of Everclear makes similar sense.

Being a stickler, and at the risk of being an asshat, I feel I should mention that when a poster asks for a recommendation for a red, I do not suggest Champagne, Riesling, Gewurztraminer, Pinot Gris or anything that does not happen to be red. However Lambrusco is an interesting suggestion that meets the sole criterion.

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#43 Post by Rich Brown » October 18th, 2019, 8:42 pm

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I like Subu's reccos and kudos to whoever first mentioned Cru Beaujolais. OTOH, not sure about northern Rhone Syrah for the Karahi/Kadai Murgh, I'd look for a southern Rhone, more earth than mineral. Zinfandel below the alky level of Everclear makes similar sense.

Being a stickler, and at the risk of being an asshat, I feel I should mention that when a poster asks for a recommendation for a red, I do not suggest Champagne, Riesling, Gewurztraminer, Pinot Gris or anything that does not happen to be red. However Lambrusco is an interesting suggestion that meets the sole criterion.

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