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Wine consumption a defense against opioid addiction?

#1 Post by John Morris » October 14th, 2019, 11:48 am

Who knew?

The Twitter feed of the American Association of Wine Economists just carried this chart, which shows that the states with the highest per-capital consumption of wine have very low opiod usage rates, and the states with high opioid usage tend to have low wine consumption rates.
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#2 Post by ybarselah » October 14th, 2019, 11:58 am

ya, this is a socioeconomic chart which of course correlates to the two subjects it plots.
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#3 Post by Markus S » October 14th, 2019, 12:15 pm

I'd agree with Yaacov. Sounds socioeconomic to me.
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#4 Post by Mike DiSalvo » October 14th, 2019, 12:27 pm

According to the 60 Minutes segment that aired last night, addiction problems along with other ailments may be remedied by taking psilocybin's. Of course, further study may need to be done but the people interviewed for the segment seemed really happy with the outcome. Makes sense to me! lol
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#5 Post by Neal.Mollen » October 14th, 2019, 12:29 pm

Talk about burying the lede . . . the American Association of Wine Economists? Who knew there was such a thing?
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#6 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » October 14th, 2019, 12:40 pm

Markus S wrote:
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I'd agree with Yaacov. Sounds socioeconomic to me.
I dunno, I needed an extra glass last night to nurse my aching wrist. No pain meds. Pain meds are bad MOJO.

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#7 Post by Anton D » October 14th, 2019, 12:41 pm

ybarselah wrote:
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ya, this is a socioeconomic chart which of course correlates to the two subjects it plots.
Agree.

Perhaps the states can be reposted as red/blue to give us even more information.
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#8 Post by Anton D » October 14th, 2019, 12:42 pm

Neal.Mollen wrote:
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Talk about burying the lede . . . the American Association of Wine Economists? Who knew there was such a thing?
Their main office is open from 5:00 pm to 5:30 pm each weekday except Thursday and Friday.

You can buy their official economic prediction dart board at select Total Wine branches.
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#9 Post by ybarselah » October 14th, 2019, 12:46 pm

Mike DiSalvo wrote:
October 14th, 2019, 12:27 pm
According to the 60 Minutes segment that aired last night, addiction problems along with other ailments may be remedied by taking psilocybin's. Of course, further study may need to be done but the people interviewed for the segment seemed really happy with the outcome. Makes sense to me! lol
michael pollan (featured in the segment) wrote a very compelling book on the subject, which i highly recommend.



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#10 Post by Neal.Mollen » October 14th, 2019, 12:50 pm

Anton D wrote:
October 14th, 2019, 12:42 pm
Neal.Mollen wrote:
October 14th, 2019, 12:29 pm
Talk about burying the lede . . . the American Association of Wine Economists? Who knew there was such a thing?
Their main office is open from 5:00 pm to 5:30 pm each weekday except Thursday and Friday.

You can buy their official economic prediction dart board at select Total Wine branches.
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#11 Post by Mike Kuller » October 14th, 2019, 2:12 pm

I'll bet if you did the same chart based on states with legal pot, I think you would get an ever greater correlation to low opoid addiction.

Pot is used in some treatment programs as a substitute for opiods.
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#12 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » October 14th, 2019, 2:27 pm

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#13 Post by Nate Simon » October 14th, 2019, 3:00 pm

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#14 Post by Todd Hamina » October 14th, 2019, 3:25 pm

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#15 Post by John Morris » October 14th, 2019, 3:28 pm

Nate Simon wrote:
October 14th, 2019, 3:00 pm
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#17 Post by Cole Kendall » October 14th, 2019, 3:47 pm

Note Washington DC, pulling down the curve this time!

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#18 Post by brodie thomson » October 14th, 2019, 3:51 pm

Whilst the correlation may well be spurious; the regression of R2 =0.36 is very low and basically says there is a very weak statistical correlation (at best) between the two variables. Personally I would never a take a correlation seriously with a R2 of 0.36.

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#19 Post by Anton D » October 14th, 2019, 4:07 pm

Nate Simon wrote:
October 14th, 2019, 3:00 pm
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#20 Post by John Morris » October 14th, 2019, 4:28 pm

brodie thomson wrote:
October 14th, 2019, 3:51 pm
Whilst the correlation may well be spurious; the regression of R2 =0.36 is very low and basically says there is a very weak statistical correlation (at best) between the two variables. Personally I would never a take a correlation seriously with a R2 of 0.36.

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#21 Post by John Glas » October 14th, 2019, 4:47 pm

I dunno, I needed an extra glass last night to nurse my aching wrist. No pain meds. Pain meds are bad MOJO.
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#22 Post by Anton D » October 14th, 2019, 4:54 pm

John Glas wrote:
October 14th, 2019, 4:47 pm
I dunno, I needed an extra glass last night to nurse my aching wrist. No pain meds. Pain meds are bad MOJO.
Make sure not to hold the stem on the aching wrist side!
I think he should change stems, this sounds like a repetitive stress injury.

Maybe drink with your 'off' hand? [cheers.gif]
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#23 Post by John Glas » October 14th, 2019, 6:05 pm

[quoteI think he should change stems, this sounds like a repetitive stress injury.

Maybe drink with your 'off' hand? ][/quote] NO pain no gain. My physical therapist told me to work on the injured side with more reps as it will strengthen it over time! champagne.gif

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#24 Post by John Morris » October 14th, 2019, 7:34 pm

Anton D wrote:
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I think he should change stems, this sounds like a repetitive stress injury.

Maybe drink with your 'off' hand? [cheers.gif]
You have exceeded your quota of offhand remarks this week.
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#25 Post by Tran Bronstein » October 14th, 2019, 8:34 pm

I'm a little confused by the idea that the wine/opioid addiction correlation is actually a socio-economic relation. Please feel free to correct me, but my impression of the opioid epidemic was always that it was highly unusual in that due to opioids being spread by prescriptions and medical drugs not exactly being cheap, it was an unusual crisis in that it was spreading uncontrollably throughout the middle to upper middle to upper socio-economic classes -- the same classes that would be into wine. I find it very informational to know that at least in the US the opioid prescription rate is inverse to the wine consumption rate but I am highly skeptical that social economics explains it away. Can anyone give me a bit more insight into this?
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#26 Post by PeterH » October 14th, 2019, 8:54 pm

I don't know about ya'll, but I don't know anyone who is an opioid addict, but nearly everyone I know drinks wine.
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#27 Post by ybarselah » October 15th, 2019, 6:32 am

relevant xkcd:

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#28 Post by Dennis Atick » October 15th, 2019, 6:46 am

ybarselah wrote:
October 14th, 2019, 12:46 pm

michael pollan (featured in the segment) wrote a very compelling book on the subject, which i highly recommend.



of course, his omnivore's dilemma is canon.

Big +1 on both books. And if you are one who can tolerate Joe Rogan, this is a good talk:

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#29 Post by Anton D » October 15th, 2019, 6:57 am

The negative correlation gets stronger when looking at first growth Bordeaux consumption, but reverses with DRC consumption.
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#30 Post by T. Williams » October 15th, 2019, 11:31 am

Dennis Atick wrote:
October 15th, 2019, 6:46 am
ybarselah wrote:
October 14th, 2019, 12:46 pm

michael pollan (featured in the segment) wrote a very compelling book on the subject, which i highly recommend.
of course, his omnivore's dilemma is canon.

Big +1 on both books. And if you are one who can tolerate Joe Rogan, this is a good talk:

For those that can't tolerate Rogan, you can listen to the Tim Ferriss podcast interview too:

https://tim.blog/2018/05/06/michael-pol ... your-mind/

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#31 Post by Mike Maguire » October 15th, 2019, 4:43 pm

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#32 Post by Anton D » October 15th, 2019, 5:06 pm

Mike Maguire wrote:
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It took you two minutes to read this thread?
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#33 Post by Mike Maguire » October 15th, 2019, 10:34 pm

Anton D wrote:
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It took you two minutes to read this thread?
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#34 Post by Steve Slatcher » October 16th, 2019, 5:03 am

Tran Bronstein wrote:
October 14th, 2019, 8:34 pm
I'm a little confused by the idea that the wine/opioid addiction correlation is actually a socio-economic relation. Please feel free to correct me, but my impression of the opioid epidemic was always that it was highly unusual in that due to opioids being spread by prescriptions and medical drugs not exactly being cheap, it was an unusual crisis in that it was spreading uncontrollably throughout the middle to upper middle to upper socio-economic classes -- the same classes that would be into wine. I find it very informational to know that at least in the US the opioid prescription rate is inverse to the wine consumption rate but I am highly skeptical that social economics explains it away. Can anyone give me a bit more insight into this?
Opioid addiction and overdoses in the US tends to be among the white working class, particularly in rural areas
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#35 Post by Jay Miller » October 16th, 2019, 6:44 am

ybarselah wrote:
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#36 Post by John Morris » October 16th, 2019, 7:52 am

Jay Miller wrote:
October 16th, 2019, 6:44 am
ybarselah wrote:
October 15th, 2019, 6:32 am
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#37 Post by Yao C » October 17th, 2019, 11:58 am

Neal.Mollen wrote:
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Do they meet at at Pomeroy's Wine Bar for a glass of Chateau Thames Embankment?
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