POLL: What is your primary connection to wine? ITB or other?

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What is your primary connection to wine?

ITB: Winemaker / work for winemaker / active investor/business manager
14
5%
ITB: Other industry role (bottle supplier, quality control, transporter, lab analysis, lender, passive investor, etc.)
4
2%
ITB: Supply chain buyer (distributor, wholesaler, or retail)
15
6%
ITB: Consumer buyer (for restaurant, events, etc.)
0
No votes
ITB: Front of the house (Somm, service, etc.)
1
0%
ITB: Broker / Auction related
2
1%
ITB: Writer (wine critic, blogger, other)
4
2%
ITB: Other
6
2%
Consumer: Flipper/Speculator (MORE THAN 25%+ of cellar is for investment/speculation)
4
2%
Consumer: Drinker (LESS THAN than 25% of cellar is for investment/speculation)
205
80%
 
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#1 Post by Sh@n A » October 14th, 2019, 10:20 am

I am often surprised at the knowledge of this board, and sometimes the sheer # of wines that people taste. I have at time wondered how many people are ITB? So accordingly, I set up a poll to find out. I haven't seen a poll that wasn't flawed, so please let me know if I should add a category or just flame me accordingly. For now I have "other" as a catch all. I imagine the poll distribution will be different for avid posters versus lurkers, but for the purpose of this poll.. if you are reading this post, please post!
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#2 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » October 14th, 2019, 10:27 am

99.999% consumer and daily drinker. Pure lifestyle.

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#3 Post by Neal.Mollen » October 14th, 2019, 10:33 am

Drinker, 0% for investment or speculation.
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#4 Post by Lee Barnard » October 14th, 2019, 10:44 am

Consumer - I intend to drink (or leave for kid) every bottle I buy. Even when I go deep on something I don't end up liking, I just open for people who will enjoy.

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#5 Post by jon leifer » October 14th, 2019, 10:57 am

My dad's brother and sister were ITB,,I just drink the stuff..am drinking down my cellar, my wife is an occasional sipper and our kids cd care less.
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#6 Post by dsimmons » October 14th, 2019, 11:20 am

Neal.Mollen wrote:
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Drinker, 0% for investment or speculation.
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In my 25 in the hobby I have sold or traded about 50 bottles, but never for a profit. On the other hand I have gifted or donated several hundred bottles to friends and good causes.
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#7 Post by Neal.Mollen » October 14th, 2019, 12:01 pm

Interesting that the “and under” figure for “investing “ is 25%. I bet if it were 10% or even lower the results would not change. Most people are here because they drink wine, not because they sell it
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#8 Post by J a y H a c k » October 14th, 2019, 12:06 pm

0.00% of my cellar is for investment. I plan to drink everything except for what I leave to my kids and to my wife if she survives me. I have never been paid 10 cents as a wine professional, so I am pretty clear on that as well.
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#9 Post by Merrill Lindquist » October 14th, 2019, 12:52 pm

I voted in the winemaker spot. If there were 2 options, I would definitely have included the consumer option, and I do not speculate, flip, or buy any wine for investment. I just drink the stuff, like most others here.
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#10 Post by Neal.Mollen » October 14th, 2019, 12:53 pm

Merrill Lindquist wrote:
October 14th, 2019, 12:52 pm
I voted in the winemaker spot. If there were 2 options, I would definitely have included the consumer option, and I do not speculate, flip, or buy any wine for investment. I just drink the stuff, like most others here.
Clearly a flawed poll, for which / @ g r @ \ should apologize profusely
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#11 Post by GregT » October 14th, 2019, 1:01 pm

Well, people in the business may have two options. On the one hand, they're likely in the business of selling but most of them are also consumers and treat those personal wines quite differently. I've met very few people in the business who don't drink wine, although I have met a few. But generally people ITB also enjoy wine and often collect it for themselves with no intention whatsoever of selling any personal wines they've acquired.
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#13 Post by Sh@n A » October 14th, 2019, 1:12 pm

Neal.Mollen wrote:
October 14th, 2019, 12:53 pm
Merrill Lindquist wrote:
October 14th, 2019, 12:52 pm
I voted in the winemaker spot. If there were 2 options, I would definitely have included the consumer option, and I do not speculate, flip, or buy any wine for investment. I just drink the stuff, like most others here.
Clearly a flawed poll, for which / @ g r @ \ should apologize profusely
Disagree! My personal bias is if you are ITB, that is your primary connection to wine for the purpose of this poll. I could have defined "primary connection" better, e.g., "what do you take most enjoyment from", but my primary goal was separating those ITB vs. lay folk.
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#14 Post by Howard Cooper » October 14th, 2019, 1:25 pm

Pure consumer. I probably should sell some wine - things I don’t like as much as I thought I would - but have rarely done so.
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#15 Post by Howard Cooper » October 14th, 2019, 1:28 pm

J a y H a c k wrote:
October 14th, 2019, 12:06 pm
0.00% of my cellar is for investment. I plan to drink everything except for what I leave to my kids and to my wife if she survives me. I have never been paid 10 cents as a wine professional, so I am pretty clear on that as well.
I have been paid for working in a wine and liquor store, but that was my father’s store and he sold the store and retired in 1981 - after I had finished law school and was working as an attorney. Now my job is to make fun of older attorneys who are still working.
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#16 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » October 14th, 2019, 1:44 pm

Howard Cooper wrote:
October 14th, 2019, 1:28 pm
J a y H a c k wrote:
October 14th, 2019, 12:06 pm
0.00% of my cellar is for investment. I plan to drink everything except for what I leave to my kids and to my wife if she survives me. I have never been paid 10 cents as a wine professional, so I am pretty clear on that as well.
I have been paid for working in a wine and liquor store, but that was my father’s store and he sold the store and retired in 1981 - after I had finished law school and was working as an attorney. Now my job is to make fun of older attorneys who are still working.

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#17 Post by Jeff_M. » October 14th, 2019, 2:02 pm

Drinker, no investment, flipping, etc. I buy what I like to drink.
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#18 Post by Mike Kuller » October 14th, 2019, 2:04 pm

Neal.Mollen wrote:
October 14th, 2019, 12:01 pm
Interesting that the “and under” figure for “investing “ is 25%. I bet if it were 10% or even lower the results would not change. Most people are here because they drink wine, not because they sell it
Yep, agreed.

I would think most people in the industry are too busy and tired of wine at the end of the day to spend time here.
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#19 Post by K John Joseph » October 14th, 2019, 2:13 pm

I like to drink wine and have not bought any bottles that I did not intend to drink since I was 25 years old (at which time I may have flipped some Scarecrow to fund some other purchases). I ended up trading a decent amount of Cayuse for Margaux, but that wasn't planned when I bought the Cayuse. I just realized that I greatly preferred--and still prefer--Chateau Margaux.
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#20 Post by Jim Erwin » October 14th, 2019, 2:38 pm

I'm 76 and we're going to drink every damn one of our 3,000 bottles even if I never kick the bucket.

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#21 Post by jon leifer » October 14th, 2019, 5:36 pm

I'm with Jim..and I am 81..not leaving it to anyone
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#22 Post by Paul Luckin » October 14th, 2019, 5:42 pm

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#23 Post by Howard Cooper » October 14th, 2019, 6:11 pm

Jim Erwin wrote:
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I'm 76 and we're going to drink every damn one of our 3,000 bottles even if I never kick the bucket.
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#24 Post by JIMCOH » October 14th, 2019, 6:26 pm

Jim Erwin wrote:
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I'm 76 and we're going to drink every damn one of our 3,000 bottles even if I never kick the bucket.
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#25 Post by Kris Patten » October 14th, 2019, 7:16 pm

Marked distributor as it's probably what I am known as, but in reality I consider myself a consumer with a cellar for consumption who reserves the right to sell off any or all to help balance styles in said cellar or fund new regions as the wine world continually changes as does your palate.
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#26 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » October 14th, 2019, 7:56 pm

I’m an investor. 100% of our wine is invested in me, my wife, and my kids when they get older!
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#27 Post by GregT » October 14th, 2019, 8:37 pm

Mike Kuller wrote:
October 14th, 2019, 2:04 pm
Neal.Mollen wrote:
October 14th, 2019, 12:01 pm
Interesting that the “and under” figure for “investing “ is 25%. I bet if it were 10% or even lower the results would not change. Most people are here because they drink wine, not because they sell it
Yep, agreed.

I would think most people in the industry are too busy and tired of wine at the end of the day to spend time here.
You'd be surprised. And I think a lot of people ITB still see their primary connection as drinkers, since that's often what got them into the business in the first place. I have friends like Jon Leifer's age who were ITB for years but who are planning to stick around to deplete what they've accumulated. [cheers.gif]
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#28 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » October 15th, 2019, 3:49 am

Howard Cooper wrote:
October 14th, 2019, 6:11 pm
Jim Erwin wrote:
October 14th, 2019, 2:38 pm
I'm 76 and we're going to drink every damn one of our 3,000 bottles even if I never kick the bucket.
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#29 Post by Markus S » October 15th, 2019, 4:36 am

Mike Kuller wrote:
October 14th, 2019, 2:04 pm
Neal.Mollen wrote:
October 14th, 2019, 12:01 pm
Interesting that the “and under” figure for “investing “ is 25%. I bet if it were 10% or even lower the results would not change. Most people are here because they drink wine, not because they sell it
Yep, agreed.

I would think most people in the industry are too busy and tired of wine at the end of the day to spend time here.
Yeah. I'm wondering why the cutoff is 25%? If you are a consumer, practically 0% is sold or thought about as "investment".
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#30 Post by Rick Allen » October 15th, 2019, 8:39 am

My primary connection to wine is that I like to drink it. That said, I consider myself ITB for a number of reasons. I sell wine in my Tap Room, I sometimes broker wine for friends, I occasionally collaborate with wineries on projects, and (most importantly) I sell a lot of beer to wineries, particularly during harvest. As far my personal cellar is concerned, I'm drinking it.

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#31 Post by T. Williams » October 15th, 2019, 11:59 am

Drinker through and through. I've never bought a bottle with the intention to do anything other than eventually drink it.

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#32 Post by Kirk.Grant » October 15th, 2019, 12:02 pm

Interesting poll, while my answer is now the last option as some point in my life I've also been:

ITB: Supply chain buyer (distributor, wholesaler, or retail)
ITB: Consumer buyer (for restaurant, events, etc.)
ITB: Front of the house (Somm, service, etc.)
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#33 Post by Nola Palomar » October 15th, 2019, 12:08 pm

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#34 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » October 15th, 2019, 1:43 pm

Sh@n A wrote:
October 14th, 2019, 1:12 pm
Neal.Mollen wrote:
October 14th, 2019, 12:53 pm
Merrill Lindquist wrote:
October 14th, 2019, 12:52 pm
I voted in the winemaker spot. If there were 2 options, I would definitely have included the consumer option, and I do not speculate, flip, or buy any wine for investment. I just drink the stuff, like most others here.
Clearly a flawed poll, for which / @ g r @ \ should apologize profusely
Disagree! My personal bias is if you are ITB, that is your primary connection to wine for the purpose of this poll. I could have defined "primary connection" better, e.g., "what do you take most enjoyment from", but my primary goal was separating those ITB vs. lay folk.
Reasonable, imo. After all, without the income gained through the ITB connection would there be any money that would allow them to be a consumer? In other words, if your ITB status is what brings in the money used to buy wine for personal consumption, then ITB is your "primary" connection to wine. At least, that's how I see it.
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#35 Post by Rick Allen » October 15th, 2019, 3:36 pm

Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:
October 15th, 2019, 1:43 pm
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Disagree! My personal bias is if you are ITB, that is your primary connection to wine for the purpose of this poll. I could have defined "primary connection" better, e.g., "what do you take most enjoyment from", but my primary goal was separating those ITB vs. lay folk.
Reasonable, imo. After all, without the income gained through the ITB connection would there be any money that would allow them to be a consumer? In other words, if your ITB status is what brings in the money used to buy wine for personal consumption, then ITB is your "primary" connection to wine. At least, that's how I see it.
There are a number of flaws with this logic. I can think of a number of cases where people are "in the business" from Todd's perspective that don't fit your narrative. What about the retiree who works part-time at a local winery for the fun of it? What about a winemaker like Vincent Fritzsche? I suspect most of his cellar was accumulated before he started making wine commercially. Frankly, I was a wine geek for 30 years before I opened my Brewery (and probably before you were born) and the Brewery certainly doesn't pay for my wine habit, but I guess that doesn't matter.

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#36 Post by Ian S » October 15th, 2019, 3:56 pm

FLAWED POLL!!! Why is there no option for "Hereditary"?
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#37 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » October 15th, 2019, 4:10 pm

Rick Allen wrote:
October 15th, 2019, 3:36 pm
Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:
October 15th, 2019, 1:43 pm
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Disagree! My personal bias is if you are ITB, that is your primary connection to wine for the purpose of this poll. I could have defined "primary connection" better, e.g., "what do you take most enjoyment from", but my primary goal was separating those ITB vs. lay folk.
Reasonable, imo. After all, without the income gained through the ITB connection would there be any money that would allow them to be a consumer? In other words, if your ITB status is what brings in the money used to buy wine for personal consumption, then ITB is your "primary" connection to wine. At least, that's how I see it.
There are a number of flaws with this logic. I can think of a number of cases where people are "in the business" from Todd's perspective that don't fit your narrative. What about the retiree who works part-time at a local winery for the fun of it? What about a winemaker like Vincent Fritzsche? I suspect most of his cellar was accumulated before he started making wine commercially. Frankly, I was a wine geek for 30 years before I opened my Brewery (and probably before you were born) and the Brewery certainly doesn't pay for my wine habit, but I guess that doesn't matter.
Whoa whoa whoa ... didn't realize this was so serious. Also, I simply said "that's how I see it" --- don't know how I can more clearly acknowledge that there are differing viewpoints. Please also reference my signature --- it's okay for there to be different opinions!

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1. The part-time ITB retiree. If, without that part time job they could no longer afford to buy and consume wine, then I'd say their primary connection to wine is ITB. Formerly: consumer; Currently: ITB.
2. re: Wine-maker. I'd cast my vote with primary connection being ITB. If you actually make a living *making wine,* then, yeah, I'm going to say your primary connection to wine is ITB. Please note: "primary" is not the same as "only." [cheers.gif]
3. I don't understand how your personal story about your *brewery* (not winery) and your history of wine appreciation is relevant to the conversation, but ... nice story, I guess? And maybe I'm misreading some 'tude into your "I guess that doesn't matter comment," but assuming that 'tude *is* there I, quite frankly, don't understand where that's coming from, and I certainly don't understand the comment even if it was made without any attitude ---- after all, I did say *if* the ITB work is what gives you the money necessary for being a wine consumer then ... In your case, the condition is not met, so you would not fall into the stated category.
4. Not sure how my birthdate is relevant to this conversation.

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#38 Post by MikeHill » October 15th, 2019, 4:24 pm

Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:
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Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:
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Reasonable, imo. After all, without the income gained through the ITB connection would there be any money that would allow them to be a consumer? In other words, if your ITB status is what brings in the money used to buy wine for personal consumption, then ITB is your "primary" connection to wine. At least, that's how I see it.
There are a number of flaws with this logic. I can think of a number of cases where people are "in the business" from Todd's perspective that don't fit your narrative. What about the retiree who works part-time at a local winery for the fun of it? What about a winemaker like Vincent Fritzsche? I suspect most of his cellar was accumulated before he started making wine commercially. Frankly, I was a wine geek for 30 years before I opened my Brewery (and probably before you were born) and the Brewery certainly doesn't pay for my wine habit, but I guess that doesn't matter.
Whoa whoa whoa ... didn't realize this was so serious. Also, I simply said "that's how I see it" --- don't know how I can more clearly acknowledge that there are differing viewpoints. Please also reference my signature --- it's okay for there to be different opinions!

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1. The part-time ITB retiree. If, without that part time job they could no longer afford to buy and consume wine, then I'd say their primary connection to wine is ITB. Formerly: consumer; Currently: ITB.
2. re: Wine-maker. I'd cast my vote with primary connection being ITB. If you actually make a living *making wine,* then, yeah, I'm going to say your primary connection to wine is ITB. Please note: "primary" is not the same as "only." [cheers.gif]
3. I don't understand how your personal story about your *brewery* (not winery) and your history of wine appreciation is relevant to the conversation, but ... nice story, I guess? And maybe I'm misreading some 'tude into your "I guess that doesn't matter comment," but assuming that 'tude *is* there I, quite frankly, don't understand where that's coming from, and I certainly don't understand the comment even if it was made without any attitude ---- after all, I did say *if* the ITB work is what gives you the money necessary for being a wine consumer then ... In your case, the condition is not met, so you would not fall into the stated category.
4. Not sure how my birthdate is relevant to this conversation.

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Brian, primary very clearly refers to the characteristics imparted by the grapes/vineyard. Or have you not been paying attention to the other thread going on? neener

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#39 Post by Mike Maguire » October 15th, 2019, 4:36 pm

Previous investor in a winery, a bit more serious in a distillery .

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#40 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » October 15th, 2019, 5:17 pm

MikeHill wrote:
October 15th, 2019, 4:24 pm
Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:
October 15th, 2019, 4:10 pm
... Please note: "primary" is not the same as "only." [cheers.gif] ...
Brian, primary very clearly refers to the characteristics imparted by the grapes/vineyard. Or have you not been paying attention to the other thread going on? neener

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#41 Post by Randy Bowman » October 15th, 2019, 7:26 pm

I had to vote retailer but that's not the real connection. We are primarily drinkers. In 2002 as I prepared to retire, we decided the best way to support our love of wine would be to open a wine store to broaden our access to the wines of the world, share our bounty with like individuals at the best price we can and make a few bucks if possible. The most difficult obstacle was to teach a retired cop the real meaning and delivery of "customer service."
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#42 Post by Brian Tuite » October 15th, 2019, 8:26 pm

Mike Kuller wrote:
October 14th, 2019, 2:04 pm
Neal.Mollen wrote:
October 14th, 2019, 12:01 pm
Interesting that the “and under” figure for “investing “ is 25%. I bet if it were 10% or even lower the results would not change. Most people are here because they drink wine, not because they sell it
Yep, agreed.

I would think most people in the industry are too busy and tired of wine at the end of the day to spend time here.
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#43 Post by Rick Allen » October 15th, 2019, 8:51 pm

Brian,
The conversation seemed to focus on money rather than passion, and that just rubbed me the wrong way after a long day of canning.

BTW, we are brewing a smoked version of that Modern Times collaboration with them next week on our system.

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#44 Post by Nathan V. » October 16th, 2019, 9:51 am

Markus S wrote:
October 15th, 2019, 4:36 am
Mike Kuller wrote:
October 14th, 2019, 2:04 pm
Neal.Mollen wrote:
October 14th, 2019, 12:01 pm
Interesting that the “and under” figure for “investing “ is 25%. I bet if it were 10% or even lower the results would not change. Most people are here because they drink wine, not because they sell it
Yep, agreed.

I would think most people in the industry are too busy and tired of wine at the end of the day to spend time here.
Yeah. I'm wondering why the cutoff is 25%? If you are a consumer, practically 0% is sold or thought about as "investment".
I think the 25% mark says more about the pollster and their position towards wine. Which is fine. We all come to this through a different lens.

I'm a partner in a restaurant, but I don't work there so I'm not sure if I'm ITB or not. Many of my friends are ITB and I'm certainly ITB adjacent but I voted consumer since that is what I primarily am. I sometimes sell wine but I don't buy with an eye towards selling although I guess you could characterize Burgundy as an alternate asset class.
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#45 Post by Alex Frank » October 16th, 2019, 9:55 am

In the biz when I was younger (tasting rooms of a couple of WA wineries and a now-defunct Seattle bottle shop) but now just a 34-year-old drinker trying to lean further into my already-existing hobbies.

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#46 Post by Steen T Olsen » October 16th, 2019, 10:05 am

Happy wine consumer without any investment or speculation involved.
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#47 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » October 16th, 2019, 10:44 am

Ooooh! Can't wait for the smoked version, Rick!!

And I'll be upfront with you, as I always am.with everybody: my viewpoint *is* based primarily on money, not passion. Not saying it's the only viewpoint, to be clear.

I'd like to think that (nearly) every winemaker or high-level ITB person (read: not tasting room staff, for example) has an incredible amount of passion for wine --- after all, they chose to make their living on it. Furthermore, to be clear, I know many tasting room staff *are* super passionate about wine. So, with all of that as a given, does that mean the only folks whose primary connection to wine is ITB are those few folks who are *not* passionate about wine? I see the merits in both "Yes" and "No"; you seem to be saying "Yes," and I'm saying "No."

In my eyes, the decision to make wine (or anything) your chosen profession brings things to a different level. My wine enthusiasm does not pay my bills, provide me with money to buy wine, provide me with a means to buy food, water, and shelter. And so on and so forth. ITB'ers on the other hand, generally, answer those questions in the opposite.

We just see this differently, and that's okay. Yes, my view is money-based, but it should not be read as a dismissal of passion. Heck, I'd be the first to say that ITB'ers likely have *more* passion than the average non-ITB wine enthusiast--- after all, they have devoted their lives to it, and their well-being depends on it, and the well-being of their families depend on it.
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#48 Post by Sh@n A » October 16th, 2019, 10:47 am

Nathan V. wrote:
October 16th, 2019, 9:51 am
I think the 25% mark says more about the pollster and their position towards wine. Which is fine. We all come to this through a different lens.
25% was arbitrary and not reflecting any position on how to own wine. I do not think a handful of wines owned for investment makes one a speculator, but a majority would. So I just used 25% (between 0% and 50%).
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#49 Post by Markus S » October 16th, 2019, 11:10 am

Randy Bowman wrote:
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... The most difficult obstacle was to teach a retired cop the real meaning and delivery of "customer service."
Ha! Are you saying cops don't have good 'customer service' skills?!
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#50 Post by Markus S » October 16th, 2019, 11:16 am

Nathan V. wrote:
October 16th, 2019, 9:51 am
I'm a partner in a restaurant, but I don't work there so I'm not sure if I'm ITB or not. Many of my friends are ITB and I'm certainly ITB adjacent but I voted consumer since that is what I primarily am. I sometimes sell wine but I don't buy with an eye towards selling although I guess you could characterize Burgundy as an alternate asset class.
I'm thinking a restaurant is peripheral to being in the trade. Related to wine, but really in its' own orbit.
Nathan V. wrote: I guess you could characterize Burgundy as an alternate asset class.
You certainly can, as one could use their Burgundy collection to buy a car, remodel a house, or even buy a house in certain parts of the country with it. [cheers.gif]
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