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#1 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » October 8th, 2019, 8:45 am

I just got an emailer from b21 for $50 in 750 and $109 for mags. This is like pricing from ten or more years ago, isn’t it? And then I notice a few other retailers have it priced similarly.

I grabbed some. Amazing such a classic, well-regarded wine comes out so inexpensively. An easy buy.

Some big scores out on this wine, but I specifically recalled and placed more weight on our very own Gerhardt commenting favorably on this vintage of Pegau as one for the “purists”.
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#2 Post by James Gardner » October 8th, 2019, 8:53 am

agreed - it looked like good value here in the UK, too. I love Pegau's standard CndP offering, esp when broached young: unlike many of its brethren it exults in early ready-to-go accessibility. the 2004 was delicious; I'd polished off my case before its fifth birthday, in contrast to the 04 Beau, VT and Clos des Papes which are still slumbering in the cellar.

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#3 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » October 8th, 2019, 9:04 am

Yea I didn’t mention that point but thought about it when I ordered the Mags. While I like my Pegau medium and old in age, they also shine really well when young. Heck, some vintages, I end up drinking them all up early. Wish I still had more 2001 and 2000, though.

Ok, you convinced me to order more....

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#4 Post by PaulMills » October 8th, 2019, 9:20 am

I just picked up some more 2000 last weekend.

I keep waiting for Envoyer to offer it since I already have a few cases shipping. I might have to check around though and just order a six pack from someone else.

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#5 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » October 8th, 2019, 9:24 am

3L for $239

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#6 Post by larry schaffer » October 8th, 2019, 9:28 am

Could this be due to a greater supply being made available? Have they increased their production over the past few years? Or are third parties being more aggressive and not marking up these as much as in the past?

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#7 Post by Alan Rath » October 8th, 2019, 9:33 am

Will be interested if Dan Kravitz chimes in, he is one importer of Pegau if I recall. Is it just the slide of CdP in general? Pegau was a Parker and ebob darling, is the disappearance of those two a major factor?
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#8 Post by Craig G » October 8th, 2019, 9:35 am

I think Pegau has a high list price (similar to VT/Beaucastel) but seems to be more heavily discounted. I feel like this happens every year.
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#9 Post by C. Mc Cart » October 8th, 2019, 10:14 am

Release pricing in Ontario is the same or lower than as far back as 2004.
Continued a slow creep up until the 2009 or '10 vintage but has really backed off since then.
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#10 Post by J.Vizuete » October 8th, 2019, 10:19 am

PaulMills wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 9:20 am
I just picked up some more 2000 last weekend.

I keep waiting for Envoyer to offer it since I already have a few cases shipping. I might have to check around though and just order a six pack from someone else.
Envoyer did offer it in early Sept. I picked up a couple bottles at... wait for it.... $44.99 I suggest you email Greg and see if they are all spoken for

Agreed this is fantastic pricing and seems to have come down dramatically since 2010. I know of one retailer in TX that still has the 2012 on the shelf at $95...
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#11 Post by Markus S » October 8th, 2019, 10:26 am

J.Vizuete wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 10:19 am
... I know of one retailer in TX that still has the 2012 on the shelf at $95...
Where I am quite certain it will continue to sit for some time.
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#12 Post by J.Vizuete » October 8th, 2019, 10:27 am

Markus S wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 10:26 am
J.Vizuete wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 10:19 am
... I know of one retailer in TX that still has the 2012 on the shelf at $95...
Where I am quite certain it will continue to sit for some time.
Fully agree, but makes the point that the current vintage prices have come down significantly in the last 5+ years.
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#13 Post by PaulMills » October 8th, 2019, 11:04 am

J.Vizuete wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 10:19 am
PaulMills wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 9:20 am
I just picked up some more 2000 last weekend.

I keep waiting for Envoyer to offer it since I already have a few cases shipping. I might have to check around though and just order a six pack from someone else.
Envoyer did offer it in early Sept. I picked up a couple bottles at... wait for it.... $44.99 I suggest you email Greg and see if they are all spoken for

Agreed this is fantastic pricing and seems to have come down dramatically since 2010. I know of one retailer in TX that still has the 2012 on the shelf at $95...

I guess I was getting too good at deleting offers and missed it. I will contact him. Thanks

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#14 Post by J.Vizuete » October 8th, 2019, 11:05 am

PaulMills wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 11:04 am
J.Vizuete wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 10:19 am
PaulMills wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 9:20 am
I just picked up some more 2000 last weekend.

I keep waiting for Envoyer to offer it since I already have a few cases shipping. I might have to check around though and just order a six pack from someone else.
Envoyer did offer it in early Sept. I picked up a couple bottles at... wait for it.... $44.99 I suggest you email Greg and see if they are all spoken for

Agreed this is fantastic pricing and seems to have come down dramatically since 2010. I know of one retailer in TX that still has the 2012 on the shelf at $95...

I guess I was getting too good at deleting offers and missed it. I will contact him. Thanks
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#15 Post by J a y H a c k » October 8th, 2019, 11:14 am

Check Winesearcher, You can save $0.01 at Winelibrary. This price is not all that special.
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#16 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » October 8th, 2019, 11:31 am

J a y H a c k wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 11:14 am
Check Winesearcher, You can save $0.01 at Winelibrary. This price is not all that special.
I guess you didn’t read my third sentence.

Now all that said, even if it is $50 all over the country, still seems like (1) a great price and (2) a surprisingly declining price on a stalwart in a solid vintage.

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#17 Post by ClarkstonMark » October 8th, 2019, 12:00 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 11:31 am
J a y H a c k wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 11:14 am
Check Winesearcher, You can save $0.01 at Winelibrary. This price is not all that special.
I guess you didn’t read my third sentence.

Now all that said, even if it is $50 all over the country, still seems like (1) a great price and (2) a surprisingly declining price on a stalwart in a solid vintage.
do all lawyers just skim like that ... seems counter-intuitive to padding hours
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#18 Post by Markus S » October 8th, 2019, 12:16 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 11:31 am
J a y H a c k wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 11:14 am
Check Winesearcher, You can save $0.01 at Winelibrary. This price is not all that special.
I guess you didn’t read my third sentence.

Now all that said, even if it is $50 all over the country, still seems like (1) a great price and (2) a surprisingly declining price on a stalwart in a solid vintage.
Pegau has a history of going for full retail on the discussed vintages (you know, the ones that get the points) and gets soft on the underwhelming ones. For example, 2008, 2011 were under $40, so this is not a new trend.
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#19 Post by M. Meer » October 8th, 2019, 12:32 pm

Markus S wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 12:16 pm
Pegau has a history of going for full retail on the discussed vintages (you know, the ones that get the points) and gets soft on the underwhelming ones. For example, 2008, 2011 were under $40, so this is not a new trend.
True. 2011 could be had for $33 at one point in the last year.
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#20 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » October 8th, 2019, 1:53 pm

True, but is 2017 one of “those” years?

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#21 Post by John Glas » October 8th, 2019, 2:46 pm

[quoteJ a y H a c k wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:14 pm
Check Winesearcher, You can save $0.01 at Winelibrary. This price is not all that special.
I guess you didn’t read my third sentence.

Now all that said, even if it is $50 all over the country, still seems like (1) a great price and (2) a surprisingly declining price on a stalwart in a solid vintage.][/quote] Always loved this wine. I think the people buying Pegau have a ton of wine and don't want to wait until it is drinking in its prime window. On wine searcher there is a ton of older vintages available at decant pricing.

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#22 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » October 8th, 2019, 5:23 pm

Fun anecdote from Jeff Leve’s website:
If you’ve wondered how to say Pegau, the daughter Laurence Feraud, who took over managing the property starting with the 2005 vintage, pronounces the name as Pay-Go. The father says it differently, Puh-Gow. That debate makes for a fun dinner conversation.

Read more at:https://www.thewinecellarinsider.com/rh ... hone-wine/
I have always pronounced it the way the father does.

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#23 Post by Gerhard P. » October 9th, 2019, 12:37 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 5:23 pm
If you’ve wondered how to say Pegau, the daughter Laurence Feraud, who took over managing the property starting with the 2005 vintage, pronounces the name as Pay-Go. The father says it differently, Puh-Gow. ....
I have always pronounced it the way the father does.
Paul sounds more like Peh-Gow ...

To the 2017 vintage: I haven´t yet tasted it from bottle, actually I´m not sure if it is already in bottle ... late August it wasn´t ...
so the quote prices are pre-arrival - correct? I´m relying on my barrel tastings.

The 2017 Pegau is a vintage I would call "classic" - typical for Pegau but more in the direction of the 2005 or 1995 ...
it´s both structured (tannin) and lively (acidity) - it´s not (slightly) overripe (2015) nor extremely concentrated (2016) but nevertheless powerful and intense, definitely more concentrated than 2004/2008/2011 ... which doesn´t mean it can be accessable young if you like it like that, although I would not call it "charming" in style. It´s masculine.
However for full maturity one should plan 15-20 years ... at least.

Pegau hasn´t increased the vineyard surface over the last years (it´s app. 19 ha red and 2 ha white in CdP) ...
They did not make any Da Capo in 2017 - so all the DC-juice is in the Reservée (but they will sure spare a foudre for the late release Cuvee Laurence) ... and the lower price is (I think) set to move the quantities without the leadership of any Da Capo ...

2017 is an excellent ageworthy and structured vintage typical for the Domaine ... maybe just short of really great ... and definitely something to buy by the case(s) ... and there is no danger of going over the hill for the next 3+ decades ...
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#24 Post by GregT » October 9th, 2019, 12:59 am

larry schaffer wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 9:28 am
Could this be due to a greater supply being made available? Have they increased their production over the past few years? Or are third parties being more aggressive and not marking up these as much as in the past?

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#25 Post by Markus S » October 9th, 2019, 4:38 am

Gerhard P. wrote:
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... typical for Pegau but more in the direction of the 2005 or 1995 ...
Oh-oh...I just opened a 2005 and wasn't that happy with it. It was lacking something and I would have scored it around an 89.
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#26 Post by Jonathan Loesberg » October 9th, 2019, 7:28 am

I am less positive about either 95 or 05 than Gerhard seems to be. The 95 has, at its best, the charms of Lady Augusta in the Importance of Being Earnest. It was always a hard, tannic wine, and it went from that into elegantly austere age. The 05 is better but it still has a hard, tannic edge. I think the 17 will be considerably better than either of these wines, but, since, like Gerhard, I have only tasted it from barrel, I won't go further than that. I expect, after the press for the 15 and 16 (both of which could be found for $60, at least briefly, in the US, and more easily for $65), the lower price represents an attempt to make a more classic vintage more competitive. I think Robert was right to jump at it.

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#27 Post by M. Meer » October 9th, 2019, 11:27 am

I've been out of the CDP game for several years, but the price of the '11 along with the cooler growing season got me back in. I've been happy with the toned down profile vs '05 and '07, so it makes for a nice contrast. I'm probably out again with climate change and having recently revisited wines from Rasteau, Languedoc, and Cotes Catalanes, I'll be happy to reach for those more often.

To your point though, $50 does seem like a reasonable opening price-point for Pegau. Speaking as a buyer, it would be nice to see most wines at that quality/quality level that have increased in price in the last decade settle around there at retail.
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#28 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » October 9th, 2019, 7:36 pm

Gerhard P. wrote:
October 9th, 2019, 12:37 am
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
October 8th, 2019, 5:23 pm
If you’ve wondered how to say Pegau, the daughter Laurence Feraud, who took over managing the property starting with the 2005 vintage, pronounces the name as Pay-Go. The father says it differently, Puh-Gow. ....
I have always pronounced it the way the father does.
Paul sounds more like Peh-Gow ...

To the 2017 vintage: I haven´t yet tasted it from bottle, actually I´m not sure if it is already in bottle ... late August it wasn´t ...
so the quote prices are pre-arrival - correct? I´m relying on my barrel tastings.

The 2017 Pegau is a vintage I would call "classic" - typical for Pegau but more in the direction of the 2005 or 1995 ...
it´s both structured (tannin) and lively (acidity) - it´s not (slightly) overripe (2015) nor extremely concentrated (2016) but nevertheless powerful and intense, definitely more concentrated than 2004/2008/2011 ... which doesn´t mean it can be accessable young if you like it like that, although I would not call it "charming" in style. It´s masculine.
However for full maturity one should plan 15-20 years ... at least.

Pegau hasn´t increased the vineyard surface over the last years (it´s app. 19 ha red and 2 ha white in CdP) ...
They did not make any Da Capo in 2017 - so all the DC-juice is in the Reservée (but they will sure spare a foudre for the late release Cuvee Laurence) ... and the lower price is (I think) set to move the quantities without the leadership of any Da Capo ...

2017 is an excellent ageworthy and structured vintage typical for the Domaine ... maybe just short of really great ... and definitely something to buy by the case(s) ... and there is no danger of going over the hill for the next 3+ decades ...
Yes, pre-arrival. And thanks for the information, much appreciated.

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#29 Post by Joe G a l e w s k i » October 10th, 2019, 2:53 pm

I have seen Pegau discounted more often than the other CDP blue chips. But this seems more unusual that it's being offered for $50 from many retailers for an extended time. Maybe they're discounting it due to every 4th bottle being marred by brett, which is why I never buy it at higher prices.

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#30 Post by Robert Sand » October 11th, 2019, 12:03 am

Joe G a l e w s k i wrote:
October 10th, 2019, 2:53 pm
I have seen Pegau discounted more often than the other CDP blue chips. But this seems more unusual that it's being offered for $50 from many retailers for an extended time. Maybe they're discounting it due to every 4th bottle being marred by brett, which is why I never buy it at higher prices.
Don´t know if every 4th bottle overseas is bretty, definitely not here in Germany, and I buy them both in CdP myself and here via retailers.
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#31 Post by Jonathan Loesberg » October 11th, 2019, 6:27 am

Bottles with slight brett coming out of the winery can become quite bretty with even minimal heat exposure, so I do expect there is variation due to shipping. But, really, Pegau is a wine in which some brett is, for most of its fans, a feature and not a bug. I drink Pegau regularly both bought directly in CdP and bought in the states. There is always some variation among bottles and it does not track to from where I have bought the wine. I really think some of us are just more brett sensitive than others and that will affect one's evaluation of Pegau. There isn't a Pegau of the ideal that some of us are drinking and others of us aren't/

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#32 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » October 11th, 2019, 6:33 am

Pegau has Brett?

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#33 Post by Jonathan Loesberg » October 11th, 2019, 7:28 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
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Pegau has Brett?
Nah. It's just the mourvedre, as they used to say about Beaucastel in the 80s and 90s.

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#34 Post by Dan Kravitz » October 11th, 2019, 11:29 am

Sorry, just saw this thread as I have been on a work trip.

I import Pegau to most of the U.S.

Pricing: Laurence Feraud is one of the smartest people I know and that extends to business. In general, she prices vintages as she perceives quality, but is also sensitive to the market, in France, in the U.S. and worldwide. She has two basic price structures, for greater and lesser vintages. 2016 and 2015 obviously are greater vintages. 2014 and 2013 were lesser. She considered 2012 excellent and priced it accordingly, in the range of 2009 and 2010 (and now '15 and '16). The market did not agree, so there hasn't been great sell-through.
She considers 2017 excellent. In fact, soon after harvest, she told me that if she had not made da Capo back-to-back for the first time in '15 and '16, she would have considered making a '17. However Chateauneuf is not as 'a la mode' today as a decade ago, so she priced 2017 in the same range as 2014 and 2013, and with a stronger dollar retail is at reasonable levels. Alan Rath's post touched on this.

Style and quality: I think 2017 is an excellent vintage, it reminds me of a cross between '15 and '12, not as good as '15 but better than '12. I personally like to give bigger vintages of Pegau significant age, while drinking mid-weight vintages younger. I have hopes that 2014 will turn out like 2011, which is drinking incredibly right how, as are 2006 and 2004. In the same style, 1999 is at peak or maybe just past (provenance, storage, etc). Do not expect more than 20 years from mid-weight vintages of Pegau; they can live that long or longer but are usually not at their best past that.

commercial post: The retailer B-21 buys wines I import: Greg T talks about wines from the store being heat damaged. I will tell you that the owner is fanatical about appropriate transport and storage. I've been there when containers are being unloaded and even containers of inexpensive wines arrive at 55 degrees... always!

Pronunciation: Laurence says Peg Oh, Paul says Peg Ow. This ain't rocket science: Paul grew up speaking Provencal, and 'Ow' is the Provencal pronunciation. Laurence grew up speaking French, and 'Oh' is the French pronunciation.

For those interested, about a year or so ago I posted my version of a vintage chart for 33 vintages of Pegau, should be searchable on this board.

My thanks to all who enjoy and are interested in Pegau.

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#35 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » October 11th, 2019, 12:09 pm

Dan Kravitz wrote:
October 11th, 2019, 11:29 am
commercial post: The retailer B-21 buys wines I import: Greg T talks about wines from the store being heat damaged. I will tell you that the owner is fanatical about appropriate transport and storage. I've been there when containers are being unloaded and even containers of inexpensive wines arrive at 55 degrees... always!
Thanks for the great post, Dan!

As for this quoted section, I can assure you that Greg was totally kidding, making fun of us people down in FL roasting in our summer weather. B21 is a fantastic retailer, 3rd or 4th generation family-owned. I bet over the last 25 years, I have bought more wine from b21 over all other retailers combined. They personally deliver my wine in a temperature controlled van. They offer this service to several large cities in Florida, for purchasers who spend a minimum threshold of $500 per delivery, which is easy since they allow you to aggregate. My success rate with this retailer is like 99.9%, and the very small few times where something went wrong, they remedied instantaneously. Couple that with their very competitive pricing, and b21 is a major winner. I would buy even more from them if they carried the geeky Rhones and Chinons that I like, but that stuff just does not sell well in Florida.

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#36 Post by Jonathan Loesberg » October 11th, 2019, 12:57 pm

Dan Kravitz wrote:
October 11th, 2019, 11:29 am


Pronunciation: Laurence says Peg Oh, Paul says Peg Ow. This ain't rocket science: Paul grew up speaking Provencal, and 'Ow' is the Provencal pronunciation. Laurence grew up speaking French, and 'Oh' is the French pronunciation.


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Since the word is Provencale, it would follow that Paul's pronunciation is correct. The Pegau website, however, seems to imply that Laurence suggested the name when she came back from her studies and entered into the family business, in which case, since it's her name, she gets to pronounce it as she prefers. I follow Laurence, but only because I also don't speak Provencale.

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#37 Post by Dan Kravitz » October 14th, 2019, 3:50 pm

Yes, Laurence came up with the name 'Pegau', after a form of earthenware pitcher used in the palace of the Avignon (rogue) Popes. In fact, she has named all of the Domaine and Chateau Pegau wines, all very carefully considered. Before 'Pegau', it was simply Domaine Feraud for the tiny quantities they bottled (before Laurence came home, over 90% of Pegau was sold in bulk).

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#38 Post by Jonathan Loesberg » October 14th, 2019, 4:28 pm

Only the rogue popes and not the accepted one's who preceded them?
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#39 Post by Dan Kravitz » October 15th, 2019, 7:21 am

Jonathan,

I personally am a Rogue Pole.

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#40 Post by Jonathan Loesberg » October 15th, 2019, 8:21 am

Touché. Fixed.

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#41 Post by T. Williams » October 15th, 2019, 11:39 am

For what it is worth, and while not the '17.... Last Bottle has '15's up for $58ea right now.

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#42 Post by Charlie Carnes » October 15th, 2019, 6:19 pm

Dan Kravitz wrote:
October 11th, 2019, 11:29 am

commercial post: The retailer B-21 buys wines I import: Greg T talks about wines from the store being heat damaged. I will tell you that the owner is fanatical about appropriate transport and storage. I've been there when containers are being unloaded and even containers of inexpensive wines arrive at 55 degrees... always!


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I buy a shizt load of wines from B-21. They are solid as hell. I have a very high success rate on everything from them! Was in the shop in Tarpon Springs today.
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#43 Post by Charlie Carnes » October 15th, 2019, 6:24 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
October 11th, 2019, 6:33 am
Pegau has Brett?
I wasn't sure if you were kidding or not. I hate this wine. I saw two pronunciations. I would like to add a third: Poop-Gau.

With that said, I haven't tried for while. You'll have to open one next time we hang out...
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#44 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » October 15th, 2019, 7:06 pm

Charlie Carnes wrote:
October 15th, 2019, 6:24 pm
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
October 11th, 2019, 6:33 am
Pegau has Brett?
I wasn't sure if you were kidding or not. I hate this wine. I saw two pronunciations. I would like to add a third: Poop-Gau.

With that said, I haven't tried for while. You'll have to open one next time we hang out...
Allegedly, I am impervious to brett.

And when you and I get together, we drink much better than Pegau!!
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#45 Post by R Roberts » October 15th, 2019, 9:26 pm

Found Dan's older posting describing the vintages: viewtopic.php?p=2549189#p2549189
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#46 Post by Joe Chanley » October 16th, 2019, 8:12 am

Alfert moving markets.....sold out at wine library

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#47 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » October 16th, 2019, 8:33 am

Joe Chanley wrote:
October 16th, 2019, 8:12 am
Alfert moving markets.....sold out at wine library
The irony (or coincidence) of me moving anything, or anything moving on me, is something to ponder. Especially for a Southern Rhône, lol. I think b21 still has it.

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#48 Post by Joe G a l e w s k i » October 28th, 2019, 2:33 pm

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October 11th, 2019, 6:27 am
Bottles with slight brett coming out of the winery can become quite bretty with even minimal heat exposure, so I do expect there is variation due to shipping. But, really, Pegau is a wine in which some brett is, for most of its fans, a feature and not a bug. I drink Pegau regularly both bought directly in CdP and bought in the states. There is always some variation among bottles and it does not track to from where I have bought the wine. I really think some of us are just more brett sensitive than others and that will affect one's evaluation of Pegau. There isn't a Pegau of the ideal that some of us are drinking and others of us aren't/
For me, I would say that brett in Pegau is a feature until it becomes a bug. This is similar to oxidation, eucalyptus and likely others. This is the interesting creation of "complexity" in a wine, which may involve characteristics that will become flaws if they reach a critical mass. And frankly, it is relevant to me in that I discount Pegau slightly for this reason, because it can be amazing, but it has an additional risk that many other producers do not have, at least to the same extent. And from what I can see, the market bears this out - you see Pegau at lower prices than other blue chip CDP's. For what reason? A great bottle of aged Pegau stands up to any producer.

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#49 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » October 28th, 2019, 3:45 pm

Quite a few offers of the 15 for 55-60 lately.

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#50 Post by Bob Watt » October 28th, 2019, 4:00 pm

Dan, thank you for all of the information on Pegau. I love the wines. Laurence is incredibly talented and very nice and gracious as well. I look forward to another visit at the Domaine in the future. Thank you for posting your ratings of 33 Pegau vintages awhile back. I think you are spot on with your assessments on rank. Cheers
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