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#1 Post by Kelly Flynn » September 9th, 2019, 8:14 am

Chambers St has a new offering this morning -- 95, 96, 98, 00, 01, 05, 09, 10

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#2 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » September 9th, 2019, 9:20 am

Out of all those years, Alabama only won the championship in 2009.
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#3 Post by William Kelley » September 9th, 2019, 9:25 am

Nice!
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#4 Post by Mark Golodetz » September 9th, 2019, 9:40 am

Just bought a bottle of 1995 and1996 to see what the fuss is all about. Thanks for the heads up.
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#5 Post by Dennis Atick » September 9th, 2019, 10:02 am

I have no idea what is going on here.
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#6 Post by CJ Beazley » September 9th, 2019, 10:29 am

Dennis Atick wrote:
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I have no idea what is going on here.
Me neither, I’m waiting for the book...
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#7 Post by YLee » September 9th, 2019, 10:42 am

Dennis Atick wrote:
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I have no idea what is going on here.
Chateau Bel Air Marquis d'Aligre
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#8 Post by Howard Cooper » September 9th, 2019, 10:56 am

I am very confused. When I see the word BAMA, the first thing I think of is the football team of Alag*dd*amnbama and hope that they lose horribly.

I still have a number of remnants of being born and raised in Georgia.
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#9 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » September 9th, 2019, 10:57 am

They are magically delicious....

Lots of my money goes to BAMA. College and wine.

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#10 Post by Warren Taranow » September 9th, 2019, 11:54 am

Ouch; bought more vintages than I skipped. And I can't blame Kelly as I received the email from Chambers Street.

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#11 Post by Blake Brown » September 10th, 2019, 11:21 am

Dennis Atick wrote:
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I have no idea what is going on here.
+1
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#12 Post by YLee » September 10th, 2019, 11:47 am

Blake Brown wrote:
September 10th, 2019, 11:21 am
Dennis Atick wrote:
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I have no idea what is going on here.
+1
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#13 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » September 10th, 2019, 12:42 pm

I wonder if 2019 will be the last BAMA!

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#14 Post by Howard Cooper » September 10th, 2019, 1:41 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
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I wonder if 2019 will be the last BAMA!
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#15 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » September 10th, 2019, 1:49 pm

Jean-Pierre Boyer’s 70th vintage.

I wonder if Tua goes pro afterwards.

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Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
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Jean-Pierre Boyer’s 70th vintage.

I wonder if Tua goes pro afterwards.
[scratch.gif] Is Tua going to go pro after the season or after harvest?
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#17 Post by R M Kriete » September 12th, 2019, 12:02 pm

Are the wines expensive? Cause the players Bama buys sure are!

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#18 Post by Sebastian C. » September 12th, 2019, 2:58 pm

Picked up some 2000 which I feel are the most consistent.
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#19 Post by Doug Schulman » September 12th, 2019, 3:28 pm

I’m not familiar with this producer. Do people think the wines taste true to place? Bordeaux or specifically Margaux? Some of what I think of as the classic signature of ageworthy/aged Bordeaux comes from oak.
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#20 Post by Chris Seiber » September 12th, 2019, 3:29 pm

I've heard BAMA is a BAMF

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#21 Post by D@ve D y r 0 f f » September 12th, 2019, 3:44 pm

In my own personal notation, I use BAMdA for the wine and 'Bama for the hurricane-ravaged state, university, and football team.

I've been disappointed so far that no one else has jumped on the BAMdA train, though I recognize typing an additional letter, and a lower-case one at that, is a major effort. But at least over here there's only three or four places that sell the stuff regularly, and about 10 people who post about it, so it shouldn't be hard to gather critical mass.

Then we could avoid all this confusion.

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#22 Post by Kelly Flynn » September 12th, 2019, 6:01 pm

As the OP, I say nota bene and take full responsibility.

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#23 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » September 12th, 2019, 6:03 pm

I was distraught that the hurricane was gonna take out the historic BAMA Vineyards. We dodged a bullet there, a close one. Could have been as devastating as the phylloxera louse.

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#24 Post by Kelly Flynn » September 12th, 2019, 6:05 pm

Doug Schulman wrote:
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I’m not familiar with this producer. Do people think the wines taste true to place? Bordeaux or specifically Margaux? Some of what I think of as the classic signature of ageworthy/aged Bordeaux comes from oak.
Doug, I suspect there will be a variety of opinions here, but I bet nobody here is guessing Rolland. To me they are not Margaux per se, but they are certainly idiosyncratic. Feminine. If served blind, I would probably not even guess bdx.

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#25 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » September 12th, 2019, 6:13 pm

Old school Medoc more than Margaux, IMHO.

Definitely Bordeaux. Nothing else.

What else could it be?

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#26 Post by William Kelley » September 12th, 2019, 6:33 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
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Old school Medoc more than Margaux, IMHO.

Definitely Bordeaux. Nothing else.

What else could it be?
For me, it's very much Margaux. It's just the sort of Margaux that you read about in old books—floral, perfumed, elegant, fine-boned but concentrated and flavorful—rather than what one typically tastes today. We drank a bottle of the 1981 on Tuesday that was just exquisitely aromatic, for me clearly better than the Château Margaux of the same year.
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#27 Post by P@u1_M3nk3s » September 12th, 2019, 6:46 pm

1981. Again. I love that vintage in Bordeaux.
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#28 Post by Mark Thompson » September 12th, 2019, 7:54 pm

P@u1_M3nk3s wrote:
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1981. Again. I love that vintage in Bordeaux.
I don’t think I’ve had a bad ‘81–a couple of Cordier’s and a Mouton have all been better than expected. That said, I tend to not want to open ‘81’s. I think I have it in the back of my head that I’m saving them for verticals at some point...Gruaud, PLL, and Trotanoy in particular. Here’s a bright idea that just occurred to me....maybe a horizontal would be more interesting? Also—I need to try this BAMA/BAMdA wine!

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#29 Post by William Kelley » September 12th, 2019, 7:59 pm

Agreed. Have a 1981 La Conseillante lined up for some time soon as well.
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#30 Post by Mark Golodetz » September 12th, 2019, 8:44 pm

Domaine de Chevalier was superb in 1981, besting the Haut Brion and the equal of La Mission.
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#31 Post by Julian Marshall » September 13th, 2019, 1:16 am

William Kelley wrote:
September 12th, 2019, 6:33 pm
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
September 12th, 2019, 6:13 pm
Old school Medoc more than Margaux, IMHO.

Definitely Bordeaux. Nothing else.

What else could it be?
For me, it's very much Margaux. It's just the sort of Margaux that you read about in old books—floral, perfumed, elegant, fine-boned but concentrated and flavorful—rather than what one typically tastes today. We drank a bottle of the 1981 on Tuesday that was just exquisitely aromatic, for me clearly better than the Château Margaux of the same year.
Spot on! I was only in short trousers in the 70s, but when I started buying wine in the 80s, I sought out wines from the late 60s and early 70s to see what a mature wine would taste like. When I opened a 2001 last year, it was like time travel, back to those wines - it reminded me of what Malescot used to taste like, for example. Bel Air Marquis d'Aligre is quintessential Margaux, it could come from nowhere else, but the taste profile is that of the past rather than the present.

This also explains why not everyone will like it. It simply tastes different to the Margaux we have grown used to since 1982: less sugar, no oak, less alcohol. All vintages I have seen are 12.5°, even 2010 (although the latter did taste as if it was a little more, and I suspect M.Boyer just puts 12.5° automatically!). The bouquet and taste are subtle and complex - there are notes of wild raspberry and strawberry alongside the cassis and blackberry, and the lack of oak allows a much greater freshness, but depending on the bottle, you can also find less attractive notes of caramel. It's the polar opposite of streamlined, satin-tasting, super-concentrated wines. The lack of oak and extraction also means more transparency - you taste the terroir, literally - some bottles have earthy notes, some have rockier ones, all have that elegant dustiness that you still find in other Margaux today, but more of it.

Anyway, what I mean is that there isn't a "right" or a "wrong" about liking or disliking Bel Air Marquis d'Aligre. Each to their own, but although the Chambers Street prices are higher than over here, the price of admission is not too bad so it's worth a try.

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#32 Post by Markus S » September 13th, 2019, 4:27 am

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#33 Post by Kelly Flynn » September 13th, 2019, 4:34 am

Julian Marshall wrote:
September 13th, 2019, 1:16 am
William Kelley wrote:
September 12th, 2019, 6:33 pm
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
September 12th, 2019, 6:13 pm
Old school Medoc more than Margaux, IMHO.

Definitely Bordeaux. Nothing else.

What else could it be?
For me, it's very much Margaux. It's just the sort of Margaux that you read about in old books—floral, perfumed, elegant, fine-boned but concentrated and flavorful—rather than what one typically tastes today. We drank a bottle of the 1981 on Tuesday that was just exquisitely aromatic, for me clearly better than the Château Margaux of the same year.
Spot on! I was only in short trousers in the 70s, but when I started buying wine in the 80s, I sought out wines from the late 60s and early 70s to see what a mature wine would taste like. When I opened a 2001 last year, it was like time travel, back to those wines - it reminded me of what Malescot used to taste like, for example. Bel Air Marquis d'Aligre is quintessential Margaux, it could come from nowhere else, but the taste profile is that of the past rather than the present.

This also explains why not everyone will like it. It simply tastes different to the Margaux we have grown used to since 1982: less sugar, no oak, less alcohol. All vintages I have seen are 12.5°, even 2010 (although the latter did taste as if it was a little more, and I suspect M.Boyer just puts 12.5° automatically!). The bouquet and taste are subtle and complex - there are notes of wild raspberry and strawberry alongside the cassis and blackberry, and the lack of oak allows a much greater freshness, but depending on the bottle, you can also find less attractive notes of caramel. It's the polar opposite of streamlined, satin-tasting, super-concentrated wines. The lack of oak and extraction also means more transparency - you taste the terroir, literally - some bottles have earthy notes, some have rockier ones, all have that elegant dustiness that you still find in other Margaux today, but more of it.

Anyway, what I mean is that there isn't a "right" or a "wrong" about liking or disliking Bel Air Marquis d'Aligre. Each to their own, but although the Chambers Street prices are higher than over here, the price of admission is not too bad so it's worth a try.
Thanks, Julian. That was really interesting.

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#34 Post by Julian Marshall » September 13th, 2019, 7:36 am

Cheers Kelly!

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#35 Post by Pat Martin » September 13th, 2019, 8:04 am

Just a little cold water here... I am a big, big fan of old school, traditional Bordeaux that new world wine lovers usually find austere, hard, dirty, thin, charmless, etc. However, I tried a 2000 BAMA and while I liked it and would be a buyer if substantially cheaper, I didn't think it merits its current tariff. Maybe the 2000 is too young and if it blooms later I'll kick myself for passing on more, but the 2000 was a relatively hard, austere, and thin for my mileage. I'd rather buy Sociando or pre-2015 Lanessan or old vintages of Lagune and Cantemerle for cheaper, or pay a little bit more and get back vintages of Canon, Magdelaine and other 80's claret.

Given my experience, I suggest trying one before loading up even if you are inordinately fond of outhouses in the Loire...
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#36 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » September 13th, 2019, 9:36 am

Always sage advice to try before you buy, especially if loading up. That said, your experience with the 2000 is much different than mine, and I’ve had about four over the last year. It’s excellent. Chock your experience, possibly, up to the old adage, “there are no great wines, just great bottles.” Ironically, my last experiences with both 2000 Sociando and 2000 Magdelaine were particularly unimpressive, but I know both did good things in this vintage. I’ve had
Many before.

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#37 Post by Sebastian C. » September 13th, 2019, 10:08 am

Great bottle variability here, but all 3 2000 i have drank this year have been spot on. Not so much 95 or 96 where I have experienced more bottle variation.
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#38 Post by Robert Sand » September 13th, 2019, 11:09 am

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#39 Post by Rob M » September 13th, 2019, 12:30 pm

Sebastian C. wrote:
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Great bottle variability here, but all 3 2000 i have drank this year have been spot on. Not so much 95 or 96 where I have experienced more bottle variation.
Agreed. Have had 2/2 good experiences with the 2000. With the 1995, one bottle was not flawed in any obvious way but completely uninteresting, other was beautiful (light, "Burgundian", for a Bordeaux, but that's what I was going for anyway).
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#40 Post by Pat Martin » September 13th, 2019, 2:04 pm

Good points about bottle variation, I will try to re-open my mind on this one. I really wanted to like this wine.

Of course, one could posit that a winery with big bottle variation shouldn’t cost $65-$75.
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#41 Post by William Kelley » September 13th, 2019, 2:59 pm

Pat Martin wrote:
September 13th, 2019, 8:04 am
Just a little cold water here... I am a big, big fan of old school, traditional Bordeaux that new world wine lovers usually find austere, hard, dirty, thin, charmless, etc. However, I tried a 2000 BAMA and while I liked it and would be a buyer if substantially cheaper, I didn't think it merits its current tariff. Maybe the 2000 is too young and if it blooms later I'll kick myself for passing on more, but the 2000 was a relatively hard, austere, and thin for my mileage. I'd rather buy Sociando or pre-2015 Lanessan or old vintages of Lagune and Cantemerle for cheaper, or pay a little bit more and get back vintages of Canon, Magdelaine and other 80's claret.

Given my experience, I suggest trying one before loading up even if you are inordinately fond of outhouses in the Loire...
I think you will kick yourself. Given the very different élevage, you have to expect a different evolutionary trajectory.
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#42 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » September 13th, 2019, 3:52 pm

The price point does not bother me at all. We are paying that for wines with 18-25 years of age. Cheaper than many comparable new releases. Pat, I think these wines are your style, give one more a try.

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#43 Post by Tom G l a s g o w » September 13th, 2019, 6:25 pm

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The price point does not bother me at all. We are paying that for wines with 18-25 years of age. Cheaper than many comparable new releases. Pat, I think these wines are your style, give one more a try.
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#44 Post by Julian Marshall » September 14th, 2019, 2:21 am

As I said, it's not for everyone, but one thing I didn't make clear, for which I apologize, is the level of bottle variation. Not being streamlined, not having state-of-the-art Star Trek-like equipment means that it's a very old-fashioned, artisan set-up, producing wines which can differ from one bottle to another.

Something else I didn't make clear is that Bel Air Marquis d'Aligre and I have "history". I first tried it about 15 years ago, with a mixed case of 85, 86 and 90, I think. I'm not sure, but about 7 or 8 of the bottles were duff - slightly brown at the edges, strong caramel flavours. The other bottles were wonderful, but I got tired of the risk and dropped it. I didn't go back for more until last year.

I think that during the hiatus, my taste changed, away from the ubiquitous style that used to be "modern", so I was more open to the wine than before, but also that the level of bottle variation has dropped. Of the two dozen or so bottles that I've had in the last year and a half, only one has been off. I still open them with a certain amount of trepidation, but less and less. Either I've been very lucky, or there was an improvement from the early 90s onwards.

In any case, compared to the risk of pre-mox with white Burgundy, this is nothing!

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#45 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » September 14th, 2019, 4:06 am

For the record, I do not recall that I have experienced that significant of bottle variation where any of the bottles that I popped were flawed and undrinkable, in fact, even a 1995 that seemed a bit off, was still nice.

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#46 Post by JonathanG » September 14th, 2019, 7:55 am

I just had a 2000 Sociando last night, my first ever, and it was awesome.
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#47 Post by Claus Jeppesen » September 14th, 2019, 9:12 am

The 1996 is more expressive than the 1995
Even some delicious vanilla in the nose????
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#48 Post by Claus Jeppesen » September 15th, 2019, 7:40 am

On day 2 taste was pure and expressive. Also impressive in fact
However there was not any sign of deposits in this at all (like the 1995)
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#49 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » September 15th, 2019, 8:00 am

I wish we had a “like” button!

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#50 Post by Claus Jeppesen » September 15th, 2019, 9:07 am

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I wish we had a “like” button!
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